A question for Non-Vegetarians

[Robert]

I feel this will change with time. Just like slavery was once considered fine, meat eating will also fade away and once the majority goes against it, the minority will have no option but to get in line. A few hundred years from now, people will look at our times the same way we look at the stone ages. In the meantime, let us enjoy our steaks, our chicken tikka's, our seekh kababs, burgers etc. while we can. Our last connection with our prehistoric roots.

Problem with this is that agrarian economics are against us. It takes an awful lot of plant matter to make enough protein for a human to live on. There isn't enough land to make protein for 7 billion of us. Unless we start harvesting kelp from the seas. Or come up with fungal protein equivalents to meat. Or making clone meat from mammal and poulty stem cells.

 

[ForeverIndian]

I would like to ask a question to all the posters who said that there is nothing wrong in killing animals for food -

How would you feel if you were thrown into an ocean full of Great White Sharks ? I have read somewhere that sharks take a liking to human flesh . There should be nothing wrong with sacrificing you to satisfy the hunger of these sharks.

 

[Indiafan]

What makes/inspires you to eat non veg food ? I mean . don't you guys find it disgusting to eat animals ? Also , why would you kill animals just to satisfy your hunger ? I absolutely despise non-veg food and killing of animals.

I would like to ask a question to all the posters who said that there is nothing wrong in killing animals for food -

How would you feel if you were thrown into an ocean full of Great White Sharks ? I have read somewhere that sharks take a liking to human flesh . There should be nothing wrong with sacrificing you to satisfy the hunger of these sharks.

I love how people who are born vegetarian try to judge and take a moral stand on others who have different sets of culture. First of all, all food habits, like everything else, arose out of need and necessity. For example, people living in coastal area will have fishing as one of their main economic activity and fishes will be the best source of food for them. So they simply grow up in a culture where they eat a lot of fish. I love how someone growing up in some part of the world where you have great, fertile land and it is not as cold as in many European countries try to impose their beliefs on others

Secondly as for life, this would have been true before science proved that plants and vegetables have lives too

I would like to ask a question to you, if cutting plants is ok, why don't you volunteer to get your head in the mouth of a cow and let him eat?

 

[Indiafan]

One good example about the fish eating thing. During the time of the great Bengal famine, people were dying of starvation. Yet brahamins would not touch meat. Then a great brahmin priest did a pooja (havan) and declared that fish was vegetarian from that day just so that people would not starve to death. From that day, most bengali brahmins eat fish. A good example of how practicality and necessity drives food habits.

Food is the basic thing required for survival. Lets leave that out of the moral/immoral debate. Particularly since, the very guy who is preaching about value of lives would be happy eating meat if born in a non-veg family

 

[leatherface58]

I would like to ask a question to all the posters who said that there is nothing wrong in killing animals for food -

How would you feel if you were thrown into an ocean full of Great White Sharks ? I have read somewhere that sharks take a liking to human flesh . There should be nothing wrong with sacrificing you to satisfy the hunger of these sharks.

In that case, it would suck for the man but there would be no blame on the sharks. They are just consuming their food. They aren't killing you to satisfy their bloodlust. On the other hand, the humans according to law, would be tried for murder.

When it comes to meat and morality, I chose meat. Not my concern if you think I'm a monster.

 

[CricketCartoons]

One good example about the fish eating thing. During the time of the great Bengal famine, people were dying of starvation. Yet brahamins would not touch meat. Then a great brahmin priest did a pooja (havan) and declared that fish was vegetarian from that day just so that people would not starve to death. From that day, most bengali brahmins eat fish. A good example of how practicality and necessity drives food habits.

Lol. What a cooked up story. Did your MIL (she is a bengali?) tell you that?

 

[Bhaijaan]

I was sent by my mum to collect meat for Eid from our local halal butcher as a teenager and the guy was scoffing at me saying that I should be doing it myself if I really understood the meaning of sacrifice. At the time I just thought "what a dick" but on reflection, he was probably more in tune with animal welfare than I was.

I guess so. To sacrifice an animal is to honour it and for that i'd expect fair treatment. Like proper shelter, feed and the right way to sacrifice. If any one of the 3 isn't being followed, one should question his eating habit IMO.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Personally I'm not comfortable eating meat if

A) Its from animals who've spent their entire lives indoors being pumped with chemical crap to fatten them up as quick as possible as seems to be the case in the USA.

B) Animal hasnt had a couple years of actual life prior to being slaughtered.

C) Its not killed in a painless way.

D) Its not still a very young animal e.g veal

We have really high agricultural standards here generally as it makes a large part of our economy, so unlike in the US where animals are treated horribly generally speaking farm animals here actually live a life outdoors for a couple years prior to being killed (which as far as I'm aware involves stunning so its painless). Thats the case for cows at least.

Chickens can get horrible treatment though so I always try get free range eggs or chicken. The life of a battery hen would almost put you to tears tbh, absolutely horrific. Thankfully my cousin and neighbour keeps about 10 hens in his back garden so we can just buy eggs em off him in the morning.

As for why we eat meat,

A) Its natural, in my opinion anyway.
B) Its so damn delicious.
C) Grown up in a society where meat eating is totally normal.

Source: Live next to a farm, plus some of my relatives are farmers.

Great read.

All the criterias you mentioned should really be kept in mind.

 

[Bhaijaan]

One good example about the fish eating thing. During the time of the great Bengal famine, people were dying of starvation. Yet brahamins would not touch meat. Then a great brahmin priest did a pooja (havan) and declared that fish was vegetarian from that day just so that people would not starve to death. From that day, most bengali brahmins eat fish. A good example of how practicality and necessity drives food habits.

Food is the basic thing required for survival. Lets leave that out of the moral/immoral debate. Particularly since, the very guy who is preaching about value of lives would be happy eating meat if born in a non-veg family

Lol. What a cooked up story. Did your MIL (she is a bengali?) tell you that?

The same thing occured in Life of Pi!

 

[mithun_minhas]

One good example about the fish eating thing. During the time of the great Bengal famine, people were dying of starvation. Yet brahamins would not touch meat. Then a great brahmin priest did a pooja (havan) and declared that fish was vegetarian from that day just so that people would not starve to death. From that day, most bengali brahmins eat fish. A good example of how practicality and necessity drives food habits.

Food is the basic thing required for survival. Lets leave that out of the moral/immoral debate. Particularly since, the very guy who is preaching about value of lives would be happy eating meat if born in a non-veg family

LOL

For Brahmins, anything becomes Halal if Havan is done and purification process if applied.

 

[Indiafan]

Lol. What a cooked up story. Did your MIL (she is a bengali?) tell you that?

Eh, read about the great bengal famine of 43 and it's aftermath

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I agree. A line has to be drawn somewhere between compassion and meeting human needs.

But I'm arguing the line can be pulled further inwards by at least not trying to raise them and kill them in millions when we can get by without eating them. This one step is tremendous in terms of impact when you consider the magnitude (death vs displacement) and sheer numbers of the impact.

But yes, we draw lines even when it comes to environmental protection vs human development.

Heck we even draw the line when it comes to treatment of humans. We happily buy our smart phones which may use rare minerals mined by forced child labor in some far away part of the world, but we will get disgusted when we see forced child labor happening in front of us.

So does that mean we should all be okay with employing children as labor since we seem to do so indirectly when we buy our phones?

(Also, I think the above analogy is a good corollary to the point that because we are not exposed to the process of the meat industry, we have become de-sensitized to the suffering of animals.)

I really like this line of reasoning, although of course you have to then wonder, if livestock is no longer bred for food, what would happen to it? On the plus side, it should theoretically do away with the need for factory farms and slaughterhouses. On the other hand, why then would we need farms to rear sheep, cows, hens and goats? Wild animals have already been exterminated from most modern environments, it seems unlikely we would keep livestock around once they no longer provide any food needs.

 

[saadibaba]

Interesting perspective but I highly doubt it. Theres no underlying historical or religious based argument which would support it. All the famous movement and especially the anti slavery and then civil rights movement had their roots in Christianity. There is no major religion (aside from Hinduism) which looks down upon meat eating and actively discourages it. The moral argument will only take it so far and everyone will need to be rational and empathic to buy that and achieving such a society is never happening

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There is no need for a religious argument for it. Religion's importance is fading away as the sole moral code for people across the world, especially in educated western societies. A universal code based on human rights is already in place where things like discrimination based on sex or race, rights of minorities etc. have already found widespread acceptance in religious and non-religious societies.

Lets take the US gay marriage rights issue for example. It has no religious backing, in fact its widely considered as anti-religion. But still per recent surveys, a majority of US citizens (55% in one survey) support gay marriage based on moral and humanistic grounds.

As I said, it will take generations to get there. Human rights will take priority and after we achieve that, next item on the list will be human rights, starting with the slaughter of animals, fish etc. for our pleasure.

 

[saadibaba]

Such a cop out. If you really believe eating meat is barbaric, why on earth would you continue to do so? In the age of enlightenment you still want to wait a few hundred years for future generations to make the decision? :Angel_ani

Definitely a cop out no question about it. But we don't live in the age of enlightenment. Not yet. It doesn't mean that I still can't take a stand and set a personal example. I hope maybe one day I can gather the strength to do that but it will be really hard. I believe in the future, taking such a stand will become easier as the anti-meat movement will become more mainstream. Future generations might not have to grapple with such dilemmas as me and you. Also, there may be alternatives thanks to modern science, which might help them wean off meat much easier than what we have available right now.

 

[saadibaba]

Problem with this is that agrarian economics are against us. It takes an awful lot of plant matter to make enough protein for a human to live on. There isn't enough land to make protein for 7 billion of us. Unless we start harvesting kelp from the seas. Or come up with fungal protein equivalents to meat. Or making clone meat from mammal and poulty stem cells.

Humans can survive on a little less proteins if it means saving animals from slaughter. I don't think we will wither, die out and become extinct if we only rely on plant sources of protein, which are plenty in my opinion. I'm sure we will able to genetically modify crops to have more proteins or find some other sources of nutrition.

 

[Arsal_AK]

What makes/inspires you to eat non veg food ? I mean . don't you guys find it disgusting to eat animals ? Also , why would you kill animals just to satisfy your hunger ? I absolutely despise non-veg food and killing of animals.

Why would you kill plants to satisfy your hunger??

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

There is no need for a religious argument for it. Religion's importance is fading away as the sole moral code for people across the world, especially in educated western societies. A universal code based on human rights is already in place where things like discrimination based on sex or race, rights of minorities etc. have already found widespread acceptance in religious and non-religious societies.

Lets take the US gay marriage rights issue for example. It has no religious backing, in fact its widely considered as anti-religion. But still per recent surveys, a majority of US citizens (55% in one survey) support gay marriage based on moral and humanistic grounds.

As I said, it will take generations to get there. Human rights will take priority and after we achieve that, next item on the list will be human rights, starting with the slaughter of animals, fish etc. for our pleasure.

I get you don't want a religious angle to this, but really you are sounding quite similar to the Gog Magog brigade where Islamic tradition holds that in the future this will happen which will lead to that so whatever is going on now is okay. In reality there have been conscientious vegetarian from thousands of years ago who find plentiful food sustenance without needing to eat meat or wait for the vegan utopia in 2079.

Which brings me back to a general point raised earlier with regard to synthetic meat. It's already available in the form of meat substitute foods such as quorn and other non-animal sourced proteins which can pass relatively closely as the meat required. If you really object to eating meat from a moral point of view, I don't really see why in today's age you need to do it.

 

[saadibaba]

I get you don't want a religious angle to this, but really you are sounding quite similar to the Gog Magog brigade where Islamic tradition holds that in the future this will happen which will lead to that so whatever is going on now is okay. In reality there have been conscientious vegetarian from thousands of years ago who find plentiful food sustenance without needing to eat meat or wait for the vegan utopia in 2079.

Which brings me back to a general point raised earlier with regard to synthetic meat. It's already available in the form of meat substitute foods such as quorn and other non-animal sourced proteins which can pass relatively closely as the meat required. If you really object to eating meat from a moral point of view, I don't really see why in today's age you need to do it.

Where did I say that what is going on now is ok. Its horrible and I am part of the problem. I am weak, I love meat too much. I go into these periods where I develop revulsion for it, but then it fades away. It will take time for me and the rest of us. The shaming will help so all for the more power to you.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Where did I say that what is going on now is ok. Its horrible and I am part of the problem. I am weak, I love meat too much. I go into these periods where I develop revulsion for it, but then it fades away. It will take time for me and the rest of us. The shaming will help so all for the more power to you.

Why are you talking about shame or weakness? Human beings have been capable of living meat free for centuries without shame. It's a moral dilemma as far as I am concerned, and for me personally I am yet to be convinced morally I should abstain from meat. Obviously you are no different.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Eh, read about the great bengal famine of 43 and it's aftermath

No, you go and read about the bengal famine and stop these grandma's stories.

 

[saadibaba]

Why are you talking about shame or weakness? Human beings have been capable of living meat free for centuries without shame. It's a moral dilemma as far as I am concerned, and for me personally I am yet to be convinced morally I should abstain from meat. Obviously you are no different.

Why do you think that I am trying to take the moral higher ground. I am like you or any other who does not think that eating meat is wrong because I don't practice what I preach. Also, there are a lot of things I engage in which I know are wrong but I still engage in them. Does that make me a hypocrite, absolutely.

 

[Slog]

One good example about the fish eating thing. During the time of the great Bengal famine, people were dying of starvation. Yet brahamins would not touch meat. Then a great brahmin priest did a pooja (havan) and declared that fish was vegetarian from that day just so that people would not starve to death. From that day, most bengali brahmins eat fish. A good example of how practicality and necessity drives food habits.

Food is the basic thing required for survival. Lets leave that out of the moral/immoral debate. Particularly since, the very guy who is preaching about value of lives would be happy eating meat if born in a non-veg family

Wow this is a great anecdote?

Is this an actual story verifiable by facts or just a desi story?

 

[CricketCartoons]

Wow this is a great anecdote?

Is this an actual story verifiable by facts or just a desi story?

This is a made up story. Bengali brahmins ( tagore, ganguly, banerjee, mukherjee etc) have been eating fish since a long time. Dont know who told Indiafan that they started it in 1943.

 

[mallu]

This is a made up story. Bengali brahmins ( tagore, ganguly, banerjee, mukherjee etc) have been eating fish since a long time. Dont know who told Indiafan that they started it in 1943.

May be it is the famine of 1770?

 

[Donal Cozzie]

Other thing that needs to be factored in here is that if you remove a predator from a food chain ( I guess we'd be considered predators of chickens and cows??) you potentially have a population explosion which leads to widespread suffering for the animals.

E.g.

A rabbits natural predator is the fox. If the fox was to be removed overnight from the food chain the rabbit population would explode to massive levels, not only this but they would also exhaust their natural food supplies, potentially leading to widespread starvation. If people were to suddenly stop eating meat like chicken or beef then wouldnt something similar happen to chickens and cows?? Also in regards to cows, since they spend their whole life being milked if we were to disappear they could die if not milked within 3 days ( as their bodies have grown accustomed to producing milk on a constant basis due to being milked on a constant basis)

 

[Syed1]

This is a made up story. Bengali brahmins ( tagore, ganguly, banerjee, mukherjee etc) have been eating fish since a long time. Dont know who told Indiafan that they started it in 1943.

Even in Islam you are allowed to eat pig or consume alcohol if you absolute must to survive.

 

[Mamoon]

Just had some delicious beef kebabs.

 

[shaz619]

I was on a veg diet for like 3 months, I became very sick. Not doing that again what was I thinking. I don't know how you guys do it, i guess it's easier for those who don't eat meat from a young age.

 

[shaz619]

Just had some delicious beef kebabs.

In general man the best ones are from the middle east are out of this world compared to asian ones imo once you try them. Recently discovered an Arabian/Kurdish restaurant, had these last week pictures are from the restaurant:

Chicken Shish

Lamb Mince

They make them fresh, so delicious. The kebabs from the desi restaurants in the UK are not so good and always not fresh.

 

[Mamoon]

If I ever go to Heaven, the first think I'll try is bacon. I'm sure it's absolutely delicious.

If I go to Hell, than maybe I'll have to eat my own bacon.

 

[Mamoon]

In general man the best ones are from the middle east are out of this world compared to asian ones imo once you try them. Recently discovered an Arabian/Kurdish restaurant, had these last week pictures are from the restaurant:

Chicken Shish

Lamb Mince

They make them fresh, so delicious. The kebabs from the desi restaurants in the UK are not so good and always not fresh.

I had Lebanese/Turkish kebabs in the UK and they were absolutely delicious. The closest thing to the ones we have here in KPK. You are right the ones in the desi restaurants don't taste very good.

Lebanese and Turkish cuisines are awesome.

 

[shaz619]

I had Lebanese/Turkish kebabs in the UK and they were absolutely delicious. The closest thing to the ones we have here in KPK. You are right the ones in the desi restaurants don't taste very good.

Lebanese and Turkish cuisines are awesome.

Yes! Leicestershire have some fantastic restaurants of that kind and maybe some places in London but not so sure. I've heard about KPK to, you ever tried them there?

 

[Cryin Out Loud]

The moral argument for not eating meat makes perfect sense. There is really no excuse in today's world for killing animals to eat meat. It's a savage and barbaric practice, plain and simple. We, including me, have leaned to desensitize ourselves so we don't have to make any sacrifices and give up something we are so addicted to. The society we live in encourages meat eating. We do not look down on meat eaters, in fact the vegans are considered the weird ones.

I feel this will change with time. Just like slavery was once considered fine, meat eating will also fade away and once the majority goes against it, the minority will have no option but to get in line. A few hundred years from now, people will look at our times the same way we look at the stone ages. In the meantime, let us enjoy our steaks, our chicken tikka's, our seekh kababs, burgers etc. while we can. Our last connection with our prehistoric roots.

Excellent post. My sentiments almost exactly.

I'd like to start by saying that I am a class A hypocrite- I eat meat. I also understand the connection between proteins and man's development and later survival as a species.

However, the older I get and the more insights I have into the gigantic animal killing factory that the modern world has become, the more conflicted I feel, the more guilt I carry. Think about the conveyor belt of killing, how the animals stand in line for hours waiting for their deaths outside of industrialized killing grounds...well, I just can't help feeling the deep insanity of what we are doing. If you're to believe the stats, anywhere between 50 to 70 billion animals are killed every year so that meat gets to our tables.

There's an old American Indian tradition, once common to many ancient cultures - hunters having killed for meat, would thank the prey for giving it's life so that the hunter could live. Sometimes I think that perhaps the best solution is that if you want to eat meat, go ahead - but hunt and kill it yourselves. Want to eat chicken? Buy one live, get a knife, lop it's head off, cook it, enjoy. Of course this isn't practical given that our industrliized societies and vast populations.

But I do pray for a time when we can create a meat substitute that is as tasty and easily available (I know attempts have been made, but nothing has caught on so far).

 

[Mamoon]

Haven't been to the Midlands. I had Turkish and Lebanese food in London.

I am from KPK and live here so yeah, have had them all my life. Tikkas, kebabs etc. are our speciality.

 

[Syed1]

I had Lebanese/Turkish kebabs in the UK and they were absolutely delicious. The closest thing to the ones we have here in KPK. You are right the ones in the desi restaurants don't taste very good.

Lebanese and Turkish cuisines are awesome.

Montreal has a big Lebanese population (because French is the national language in Lebanon) and we have plenty of Lebanese restaurants, although the meat is nice and tender but nothing beats desi kababs. Lebanese kababs are just bland and lack masala..

 

[Mamoon]

Montreal has a big Lebanese population (because French is the national language in Lebanon) and we have plenty of Lebanese restaurants, although the meat is nice and tender but nothing beats desi kababs. Lebanese kababs are just bland and lack masala..

That's why they are similar to the ones we have in KPK. Our kebabs don't have much masala and spices either, so if someone is used to masala kebabs they will find it bland.

 

[Cryin Out Loud]

I'm going to add to what I wrote about killing your own prey if you wish to eat meat - I did kill a chicken as a teenager. It meant nothing to me then, but a year or two later I turned vegetarian for the better part of a decade. I didn't know why at the time, it was years until I made a correlation between the two events.

And today, well I eat meat with the best of them, but with every passing year I remember more strongly the sensation of it's beating heart, it's staring eyes, it's frantic struggle that as suddenly subsided into a passive acceptance as though it knew what was coming. And still I eat meat. So yeah of all the hypocrites on this forum, there is likely none bigger than me.

 

[shaz619]

I'm going to add to what I wrote about killing your own prey if you wish to eat meat - I did kill a chicken as a teenager. It meant nothing to me then, but a year or two later I turned vegetarian for the better part of a decade. I didn't know why at the time, it was years until I made a correlation between the two events.

And today, well I eat meat with the best of them, but with every passing year I remember more strongly the sensation of it's beating heart, it's staring eyes, it's frantic struggle that as suddenly subsided into a passive acceptance as though it knew what was coming. And still I eat meat. So yeah of all the hypocrites on this forum, there is likely none bigger than me.

It's human nature, don't be so hard on yourself. Man if I was in a jungle and hadn't eaten a chicken for ages and one just popped out of no where I'd be licking my lips like a savage, wouldn't think about it's beating heart, starring eyes or frantic struggle I'd just grab it snap it's neck and then marinate it before eating. Messing, Tbh I don't think am capable of that but maybe I would in a desperate situation, anyhow I am a hypocrite not that am ashamed of it. I don't like to see animals die nor do will i ever kill them myself (unless in a difficult situation where i have no choice) but what can I say, when I see that tasty steak on my plate it's heaven on earth I have to pounce bro I have to pounce, am sorry.

Are you south asian/muslim? must have been hard turning into a vegetarian. At uni there was no halal food so I was eating veg for 3 months but it wasn't desi style vegetables mainly English stuff, maybe that's why I got sick.

 

[saadibaba]

If I ever go to Heaven, the first think I'll try is bacon. I'm sure it's absolutely delicious.

If I go to Hell, than maybe I'll have to eat my own bacon.

The crispy bacon fat is worth going to hell for. Bacon meat itself is inferior when compared to beef imo.

I guess there will enough fire in hell to make us all crispy.

 

[Syed1]

If I ever go to Heaven, the first think I'll try is bacon. I'm sure it's absolutely delicious.

If I go to Hell, than maybe I'll have to eat my own bacon.

Never had bacon.. but it smells absolutely horrible.

 

[Cryin Out Loud]

It's human nature, don't be so hard on yourself. Man if I was in a jungle and hadn't eaten a chicken for ages and one just popped out of no where I'd be licking my lips like a savage, wouldn't think about it's beating heart, starring eyes or frantic struggle I'd just grab it snap it's neck and then marinate it before eating. Messing, Tbh I don't think am capable of that but maybe I would in a desperate situation, anyhow I am a hypocrite not that am ashamed of it. I don't like to see animals die nor do will i ever kill them myself (unless in a difficult situation where i have no choice) but what can I say, when I see that tasty steak on my plate it's heaven on earth I have to pounce bro I have to pounce, am sorry.

Are you south asian/muslim? must have been hard turning into a vegetarian. At uni there was no halal food so I was eating veg for 3 months but it wasn't desi style vegetables mainly English stuff, maybe that's why I got sick.

I'm Indian. Wasn't difficult turning into a vegetarian- for a long time the thought of eating meat turned me off.

And as for being hard on myself, such is life. The older I get, the more it becomes difficult to ignore life's contradictions.

 

[shaz619]

I'm Indian. Wasn't difficult turning into a vegetarian- for a long time the thought of eating meat turned me off.

And as for being hard on myself, such is life. The older I get, the more it becomes difficult to ignore life's contradictions.

Oh cool, if you're hindu or sikh I think you're not allowed to eat certain types of meat but not sure. I have a friend who is a brahmin but he still eats chicken, he's not so religious. But it definitely is easier to eat veg permanently when you start out like that otherwise not so much but there are many people who have gone down that route given how they feel about life's contradictions. But if one is unable to do that then just accept that you're flawed (plus human nature) and try and make peace within, I don't feel any guilt though.

 

[Donal Cozzie]

The crispy bacon fat is worth going to hell for. Bacon meat itself is inferior when compared to beef imo.

I guess there will enough fire in hell to make us all crispy.

Never had bacon.. but it smells absolutely horrible.

You're not missing much IMO. Crispy bacon isnt tasty at all. Chewy bacon is OK, but honestly its not a big loss. Pork and sausages however are really nice, as is ham.

 

[Suleiman]

In general man the best ones are from the middle east are out of this world compared to asian ones imo once you try them. Recently discovered an Arabian/Kurdish restaurant, had these last week pictures are from the restaurant:

Chicken Shish

Lamb Mince

They make them fresh, so delicious. The kebabs from the desi restaurants in the UK are not so good and always not fresh.

Bro when I went to Turkey on my last 2 vacations, this is what I literally ate my lunch and dinner with:

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It's called Köfte and is the most common type of kebab back there, even more than shish kebab. It was either the above or this beauty:

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That monster is a Doner, like a shawarma, except there's double the meat and rice in it as well.

I found the middle eastern kebabs to be a little dry at times, the kebabs in turkey had more flavor in them.

 

[shaz619]

Bro when I went to Turkey on my last 2 vacations, this is what I literally ate my lunch and dinner with:

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It's called Köfte and is the most common type of kebab back there, even more than shish kebab. It was either the above or this beauty:

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That monster is a Doner, like a shawarma, except there's double the meat and rice in it as well.

I found the middle eastern kebabs to be a little dry at times, the kebabs in turkey had more flavor in them.

Can't see your pictures But yeah that's so awesome! Turkey is like one of my dream vacations one day it must be awesome there, you got delicious halal food and everything, those kebabs must have have been so nice

 

[saadibaba]

You're not missing much IMO. Crispy bacon isnt tasty at all. Chewy bacon is OK, but honestly its not a big loss. Pork and sausages however are really nice, as is ham.

Pulled pork in BBQ or in habanero sauce (mexican style) whether in crispy tacos or warm toasted buns is pretty tasty. The fat content in pork meat makes it really juicy when slow cooked for hours.

 

[shaz619]

Pigys are filthy and they eat their own poo as well and literally all kinds of crap, beyond me how anyone can consume that animal.

 

[RWAC]

Pigys are filthy and they eat their own poo as well and literally all kinds of crap, beyond me how anyone can consume that animal.

So a pig is raised in a clean environment and feed the same stuff that chickens are fed, would you eat it?

 

[saadibaba]

Pigys are filthy and they eat their own poo as well and literally all kinds of crap, beyond me how anyone can consume that animal.

All the more reason to kill and eat them as compared to lovable and cute lambs and calfs.

 

[Donal Cozzie]

Pigys are filthy and they eat their own poo as well and literally all kinds of crap, beyond me how anyone can consume that animal.

Fun fact:

If you throw a dead human body into a pig den they will devour every bit of it. I believe the mafia in Italy used that to dispose of bodies if I'm not mistaken. Pigs eat practically everything,

The more you know.....

Cant believe no one has linked this yet

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/809422/

"Remember folks, if a cow had the chance he'd eat you and every person you cared about"

Oh man, back when the Simpsons were good....

 

[ForeverIndian]

OP People who have been eating meat have become de-sensitized to the killing and pain of animals, so raising moral standards won't do much here.

Pretty much like how those people will most likely squirm watching a human kid being slaughtered for food by another carnivorous animal/cannibal, but the animal or cannibal won't think twice before slaughtering their child.

I've said it before maybe but I'll repeat it. My issue is (mostly forcefully) impregnating animals so they produce babies for a meat-eater to kill them later for your taste.

So this whole top of food chain argument is BS. This is not a natural/ecological food chain. We control, harvest, artificially populate and exploit the food chain.

We need a race of aliens to conquer us, force us to have sex and produce babies, and then slaughter our babies for food to make us understand.

Probaby the only poster who properly understood my post.

 

[Thivagar]

What makes/inspires you to eat non veg food ? I mean . don't you guys find it disgusting to eat animals ? Also , why would you kill animals just to satisfy your hunger ? I absolutely despise non-veg food and killing of animals.

Because we want to experience heaven on earth, hence we eat meat. Sucks you have to wait till "after life".

 

[imrankhannsu]

There are various ways to look at this.

Canine teeth are meant to eat meat not vegetables.

From a religious prespective, to celebrate Eid one (who is able to afford) has to slaughter an animal for consumption.

However their are certain animals that many people eat which I personally find disgusting like pork, dogs, bats and insects.

But what is an issue is how the animals are treated before they are slaughtered.

 

[amit]

It's better to be a semi-vegetarian rather than being a pure-vegetarian or a non-vegetarian

Pure vegetarian diet lacks in proteins and some valuable nutrients, a bit of meat will be needed. However with Soyabeans & Tofu, the protein level can be increased in vegetarian food as well

Non vegetarian might be too much as many animals are kept in inhuman conditions and then slaughtered. However, scientifically Halal method has been proven as the best method for slaughter. But the conditions in which the animals are kept turns people off from non-vegetarian food

Semi vegetarian food will include vegetables, eggs, seafood & chicken, but will avoid meat of 4 legged animals. No mutton, beef, pork, bacon, etc, which atleast keeps the protein levels and avoids hardcore meats

I prefer to be a semi vegetarian as I can eat chicken & seafood as well, but avoid meat of 4 legged animals

 

[CricketCartoons]

I prefer to be a semi vegetarian as I can eat chicken & seafood as well, but avoid meat of 4 legged animals

So you follow reverse of George Orwell...2 legs good, 4 legs bad.

 

[BreadPakoda]

For the flavor and proteins.

Have totally stopped eating beef, prawns, lamb, and pork. Unhealthy food and the reason for my high cholesterol level.

Enjoy chicken (breast) and fish (mostly salmon) these days.

 

[sweep_shot]

I am a big animal lover. But, I believe it is fine to kill animals for food as long as we don't kill more than we have to.

I look to get most of my proteins from plant-based foods but I eat meat every week (mostly chicken and sometimes beef).

 

[sweep_shot]

For the flavor and proteins.

Have totally stopped eating beef, prawns, lamb, and pork. Unhealthy food and the reason for my high cholesterol level.

Enjoy chicken (breast) and fish (mostly salmon) these days.

Yes. Beef is a killer. I used to eat a lot of beef but now I mostly eat fish and chicken. I occasionally eat beef. I absolutely avoid goat meat.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Yes. Beef is a killer. I used to eat a lot of beef but now I mostly eat fish and chicken. I occasionally eat beef. I absolutely avoid goat meat.

Good decision. I completely avoid beef though. I have a nice marinated frozen beef steak in my refrigerator for the last 3 months. I might just throw it away. Leaving prawns was more difficult. Never been a big fan of goat meet.

 

[PakLFC]

Do Indian vegetarians who have there food on a banana leaf eat the leaf as well?))

 

[King_Kohli]

Pigys are filthy and they eat their own poo as well and literally all kinds of crap, beyond me how anyone can consume that animal.

The chicken will also eat some of the droppings themselves. They're particularly fond of the poop of herbivores, which contain partially-digested versions of the plants the chickens eat themselves.

 

[shaz619]

The chicken will also eat some of the droppings themselves. They're particularly fond of the poop of herbivores, which contain partially-digested versions of the plants the chickens eat themselves.

No animal would eat anything and everything like pigs, they would keep eating their own sh!t and continue to do it, I don't mean to offend anyone who enjoys that sh!t, it's a difference of opinion I guess

 

[FearlessRoar]

"They Want To Tease People": PM Vs Opposition On Non-Veg Food

The controversy over Tejashwi Yadav's allegedly eating fish during Navratri snowballed on Friday with the Prime Minister hitting out at the RJD leader, his father Lalu Yadav and Congress leader Rahul Gandhi, claiming that they are exhibiting thoughts from the Mughal era.

Accusing the opposition of indulging in the politics of appeasement and going after a particular vote bank, the Prime Minister also claimed that such videos are being posted to tease and annoy most of India's population.

Tejashwi Yadav had clarified that the video was shot a day before Navratri began and that it had been uploaded to "test the IQ of the BJP and Godi media followers".

Addressing a rally at Udhampur in Jammu and Kashmir a week before the Lok Sabha elections, PM Modi referred to a video of Rahul Gandhi and Lalu Yadav cooking mutton at the latter's home in September last year and said in Hindi, "Congress and other members of the INDIA alliance are not bothered about the feelings of most of the country's population. During Sawan (an auspicious month in the Hindu calendar), they are going to the house of a convicted man and cooking mutton. Not only that, they are also putting up videos and teasing the people of the country."

"The law does not stop anyone from eating anything, and neither does Modi, but their intention is different. When the Mughals attacked, they were not satisfied with defeating the king alone. They did not get satisfaction until they destroyed temples... they enjoyed doing this. In the same way, by uploading the video in the month of Sawan, they (the opposition) are exhibiting the thoughts of the Mughal era, attempting to tease people and fortify their vote bank," the PM alleged.

Training his guns on Tejashwi Yadav, without naming him, the PM said uploading a video of consuming non-vegetarian food during Navratra was also an attempt in the same direction.

"Who are you trying to please by hurting the sentiments of people? I know these people will now shower abuses on me for saying this, but it is my duty in a democracy to tell people what is right when lines are crossed, and I am doing my duty. They do this deliberately to attack the country's beliefs, so a big part of the country watches their videos and gets uncomfortable. They have gone beyond appeasement and are giving evidence of their Mughal-like thinking," the PM said.

"They Want To Tease People": PM Vs Opposition On Non-Veg Food

The controversy over Tejashwi Yadav's allegedly consuming fish during Navratri snowballed on Friday with the PM hitting out at the opposition, claiming that they are exhibiting thoughts of people from the Mughal

www.ndtv.com

 

[FearlessRoar]

Is he trying to ban non vegetarian food in India completely?