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A sincere question to Indians, what did your government achieve from "Operation Sindoor"?

I Only read what is actual reality. Maybe you also read how many Indian jet were down.

I never believe on Western nations because they never show actual reality when it's comes to India.

They want to undermine rising power of india so they always downplay india.

:kp
so you believe western nation enough to celebrate your initial tweet

But when the same report confirms the historic humiliation of India and military loss to Pakistan they are downplaying India.

:murali
 
so you believe western nation enough to celebrate your initial tweet

But when the same report confirms the historic humiliation of India and military loss to Pakistan they are downplaying India.

:murali
he meant he only reads things that elevate India's Stature , Rest is not reality because it does align with the narrative of India. thats what you call living in delulu land
 
Of course pakistan won

It was all a plan by usa and israel in league with the indians they wanted to do a gaza on us and check the response it backfired spectaculary for them .

The response surprised the west with trump quickly declaring a ceasefire himself to save the indians .

They knew pakistan walloped them and any increased escalation would have been a full blown war with pakistan telling the usa that it will use its nukes .

The west now know now india is no match for china hence why they have backed down .


Their new plan is now to use afghanis to attack pakistan and get pakistan drawn into a war with them and be weakened that way .


If pakistan lost and our airbases were not operating according to indians what stopped the indians from air dominance and letting its troops take kashmir ?
It makes no sense for someone to have the advantage and then not go for its key goal .
 
so you believe western nation enough to celebrate your initial tweet

But when the same report confirms the historic humiliation of India and military loss to Pakistan they are downplaying India.

:murali
he meant he only reads things that elevate India's Stature , Rest is not reality because it does align with the narrative of India. thats what you call living in delulu land

They are very childish and stupid.

It is embarrassing. :inti
 
Yes h have read all the news how india destroyed entire Pakistan Airbases, radars defence systems with brahmos missile.

Asked failed marshal how Many Pakistani jets were shot by India in air or in the hanger.
 
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I Only read what is actual reality. Maybe you also read how many Indian jet were down.

I never believe on Western nations because they never show actual reality when it's comes to India.

They want to undermine rising power of india so they always downplay india.

:kp
I only read what is actual reality, every delusional person said that when they realized they are delusional.
 
No, its coming from all over the world except particular section of India.
And your World is resolved around fake propaganda pike capturing indian pilots, Attack on s-400 down 6,7,8 amd so on indian jets. instead real proof which indian showed the the world by releasing satelite images.

:klopp :kp
 
And your World is resolved around fake propaganda pike capturing indian pilots, Attack on s-400 down 6,7,8 amd so on indian jets. instead real proof which indian showed the the world by releasing satelite images.

:klopp :kp


The entire world, not just mine.

Whatever alternative facts that Indian like to believe is as irrelevant as IAF was made on that very day.

Y’all have to repeat the lies a billion times and it might still not stick.

Good luck.
 
The entire world, not just mine.

Whatever alternative facts that Indian like to believe is as irrelevant as IAF was made on that very day.

Y’all have to repeat the lies a billion times and it might still not stick.

Good luck.
Had instument of surrender not signed in 71 , Pakistan would have claimed the victory in that war. This is the level of delusional Pakistan people's

Just like @Rana claimed farhan hit six against bumrah so Pakistan won the match according to him but in a reality India thrashed Pakistan 3-0.

:klopp :kp
 
Of course pakistan won

I have discussed this at length here multiple times with various posters but yet no one is able to tell me how did Pakistan won the war. Every other day someone makes this statement but dont tell us how.

Even if we assume, Pakistan down 7 Indian jets, which we all know is not true but lets assume it to be the case for this discussion, that also mean nothing. In any war, soldiers will die and planes will go down. These are by products and perks of war. The winner is someone who achieves the ultimate goal for which the war was fought.

Why the war was fought? It was because terrorists hiding inside Pakistan killed innocent tourists and holiday makers in Pahalgam.

What was the objective of the war? To eliminate those terrorists and their camps as much as possible.

India achieved that goal by Operation Sindoor on 7th May by sending jets deep inside mainland Pakistan and eliminate multiple terrorists. The war was over then as far as India is concerned.

From there on, all India has done is reciprocating to Pak's aggression. Ofcourse India lost jets in the process but did fair bit of damage inside Pakistan as well like destroying 11 airbases including Nur Khan. Pak also hit India with drones due to which IPL was called off etc.

However, all of these are skirmishes. You hit me and I hit you stuff. When Pakistan actually announced Operation Bunyan Marsoos, Trump declared ceasefire within 4 hours...meaning that operation never meterialized unlike Op Sindoor. Now we all may have different perspectives on who called ceasefire and why but no one knows for sure. Trump says he has done it even though until 8May JD Vance said US will not intervene, Ishaq Dar says he asked Prince Faisal to speak with S.Jaishankar and tell them if they stop we stop, Indian National Congress and our internal traitors says Modi surrendered. So no one knows for sure.

Only thing that we do know is, India has no reason to not accept the ceasefire as it has already won the war on 7th May. If Pakistan indeed downed 7 Indian jets, why did they accept cease fire just 4 hours after launching Op Bunyan Marsoos? They should have go ahead and send jets in Delhi, if they were so daring.

So pls tell me, or the learned posters here, where in this war Pakistan won and how? Expecting a genuine response without any trolling or bias.
 
I have discussed this at length here multiple times with various posters but yet no one is able to tell me how did Pakistan won the war. Every other day someone makes this statement but dont tell us how.

Even if we assume, Pakistan down 7 Indian jets, which we all know is not true but lets assume it to be the case for this discussion, that also mean nothing. In any war, soldiers will die and planes will go down. These are by products and perks of war. The winner is someone who achieves the ultimate goal for which the war was fought.

Why the war was fought? It was because terrorists hiding inside Pakistan killed innocent tourists and holiday makers in Pahalgam.

What was the objective of the war? To eliminate those terrorists and their camps as much as possible.

India achieved that goal by Operation Sindoor on 7th May by sending jets deep inside mainland Pakistan and eliminate multiple terrorists. The war was over then as far as India is concerned.

From there on, all India has done is reciprocating to Pak's aggression. Ofcourse India lost jets in the process but did fair bit of damage inside Pakistan as well like destroying 11 airbases including Nur Khan. Pak also hit India with drones due to which IPL was called off etc.

However, all of these are skirmishes. You hit me and I hit you stuff. When Pakistan actually announced Operation Bunyan Marsoos, Trump declared ceasefire within 4 hours...meaning that operation never meterialized unlike Op Sindoor. Now we all may have different perspectives on who called ceasefire and why but no one knows for sure. Trump says he has done it even though until 8May JD Vance said US will not intervene, Ishaq Dar says he asked Prince Faisal to speak with S.Jaishankar and tell them if they stop we stop, Indian National Congress and our internal traitors says Modi surrendered. So no one knows for sure.

Only thing that we do know is, India has no reason to not accept the ceasefire as it has already won the war on 7th May. If Pakistan indeed downed 7 Indian jets, why did they accept cease fire just 4 hours after launching Op Bunyan Marsoos? They should have go ahead and send jets in Delhi, if they were so daring.

So pls tell me, or the learned posters here, where in this war Pakistan won and how? Expecting a genuine response without any trolling or bias.
So who did Red fort attack? Indigenous Kashmiris or Pakistan? And if not then why don't you call it an accident and move on. And if it wasn't so then again what you achieved from sindoor?

Simple questions, hopefully answers would be plain too 👍
 
The entire world, not just mine.

Whatever alternative facts that Indian like to believe is as irrelevant as IAF was made on that very day.

Y’all have to repeat the lies a billion times and it might still not stick.

Good luck.

Their fake news may only work with their low-IQ bhakts.

Rest of the world laugh at their stupidity. :inti
 
So who did Red fort attack? Indigenous Kashmiris or Pakistan? And if not then why don't you call it an accident and move on. And if it wasn't so then again what you achieved from sindoor?

Simple questions, hopefully answers would be plain too 👍

With respect, we are discussing different thing here. My simple question to the said poster was, how did Pakistan won that war? I just wanted to get educated as I heard that myth multiple times here.

Now note, the key word here is THAT war. India avenged the Pahalgam deaths on 7th May but they never said it will stop all terrorism in future. It is misfortune of India that our neighbours are so blood thirsty and a rogue state who is always in Hum to Dube sanam aka self destruction mode. The way you are taking pride in Red Fort attacks is telling itself.

India is a responsible nation and it hasnt named Pakistan yet because unlike Pahalgam, no direct proof was found that is linked to Pakistan. All investigation led to educated Islamists from India turned Jihadis who were behind the blast. Now who was their masters is something still being investigated. Trust me if it turn out to be Pakistan, hum phir aapke ghar me ghusenge like on 7th May.

:kp
 
Sshhh...dont tell him. He is more interested in 'why muslim bias exist in India'. Imagine asking that rhetorical question...after all these attacks, by gawd.

:rp
I would prefer them taking about half baked politics than discuss droolingly about women/girls sarees and navels lol.eew. That’s more dangerous in a multi cultural society.
 
Had instument of surrender not signed in 71 , Pakistan would have claimed the victory in that war. This is the level of delusional Pakistan people's

Just like @Rana claimed farhan hit six against bumrah so Pakistan won the match according to him but in a reality India thrashed Pakistan 3-0.

:klopp :kp
Indians are back to talking about 71', the universal sign that they’ve officially run out of fresh talking points. It’s like pressing restore factory settings on their arguments.

I wish you good luck, again.
 
With respect, we are discussing different thing here. My simple question to the said poster was, how did Pakistan won that war? I just wanted to get educated as I heard that myth multiple times here.

Now note, the key word here is THAT war. India avenged the Pahalgam deaths on 7th May but they never said it will stop all terrorism in future. It is misfortune of India that our neighbours are so blood thirsty and a rogue state who is always in Hum to Dube sanam aka self destruction mode. The way you are taking pride in Red Fort attacks is telling itself.

India is a responsible nation and it hasnt named Pakistan yet because unlike Pahalgam, no direct proof was found that is linked to Pakistan. All investigation led to educated Islamists from India turned Jihadis who were behind the blast. Now who was their masters is something still being investigated. Trust me if it turn out to be Pakistan, hum phir aapke ghar me ghusenge like on 7th May.

:kp
Hahah...and what proofs were furnished, interested to get educated 🙂. Lol and when did I take pride in those attacks... weren't you the one who was laughing at the idea of esteemed poster @Bhaag Viru Bhaag being in the line of fire or the same city.
 
Indian airforce has visited Pakistan more time times recently than Indian cricket team.

:klopp :kp
Sure, India’s had pilots captured, but even they were returned with full honor and a 5 star review for Pakistan’s tea. Indian players come home, Indian pilots come home, but Indian jets? Yeah, those don’t make the return trip.
 
Sure, India’s had pilots captured, but even they were returned with full honor and a 5 star review for Pakistan’s tea. Indian players come home, Indian pilots come home, but Indian jets? Yeah, those don’t make the return trip.
Absolutely, full honor 👍 however the army chief who won the battle was abused by some random halbass type on European streets and the PM who led the battle dragged like a 2 bit pick pocket. All good 🥱
 
Sure, India’s had pilots captured, but even they were returned with full honor and a 5 star review for Pakistan’s tea. Indian players come home, Indian pilots come home, but Indian jets? Yeah, those don’t make the return trip.

Abba Dabba Jabba....jabba jabba

Remember, I told you last time..just type this everytime. This line make more sense than anything you ever posted here.

:klopp
 
Absolutely, full honor 👍 however the army chief who won the battle was abused by some random halbass type on European streets and the PM who led the battle dragged like a 2 bit pick pocket. All good 🥱
Yo, slow it down, reboot your brain, read what you typed, if it still reads like it was written by someone halfway through a hangover, don’t send it. Save yourself the pigeon brain delivery drama.

Tag Uncle @Rajdeep Tom, maybe he can deliver your thoughts for you.
 
Indians are back to talking about 71', the universal sign that they’ve officially run out of fresh talking points. It’s like pressing restore factory settings on their arguments.

I wish you good luck, again.
1971 is not a meme fest like 6-0 and other outdated photoshops, it is the best proof ever. Even then we can’t convince most Pakistanis that we won the war 🤣🤣🤣.

I know you don’t explore that much out of pp but listen to General Niazi (not Capt Niazi 😁) making big statements on YouTube like we destroyed Indian Air Force and India army etc etc more or less exactly like the current claims 2 days before the abject surrender. A lot of things to learn from history if you “read” (keyword). You are probably kept delusional on purpose lol.

I can post that video for you if mods allow but it’s a touchy subject so won’t post it just to point score against some irritant online 👍
 
1971 is not a meme fest like 6-0 and other outdated photoshops, it is the best proof ever. Even then we can’t convince most Pakistanis that we won the war 🤣🤣🤣.

I know you don’t explore that much out of pp but listen to General Niazi (not Capt Niazi 😁) making big statements on YouTube like we destroyed Indian Air Force and India army etc etc more or less exactly like the current claims 2 days before the abject surrender. A lot of things to learn from history if you “read” (keyword). You are probably kept delusional on purpose lol.

I can post that video for you if mods allow but it’s a touchy subject so won’t post it just to point score against some irritant online 👍

After pigeon, which bird has the smallest brain?
 
You deserve one brother, for claiming no Rafale got damaged 😉

On the 7th May evening itself both @Devadwal and I accepted 1 Rafael went down. We never lie dude. Its you guys who were changing the number of Indian planes went down every minute. At one point it was 20. Imagine this 20 Rafael Jets. Before Asia cup it settled down to 6 but Abhishek Sharma's innings...one more jet got added and now the tally is 7.

:klopp
 
Of course pakistan won

It was all a plan by usa and israel in league with the indians they wanted to do a gaza on us and check the response it backfired spectaculary for them .

The response surprised the west with trump quickly declaring a ceasefire himself to save the indians .

They knew pakistan walloped them and any increased escalation would have been a full blown war with pakistan telling the usa that it will use its nukes .

The west now know now india is no match for china hence why they have backed down .


Their new plan is now to use afghanis to attack pakistan and get pakistan drawn into a war with them and be weakened that way .


If pakistan lost and our airbases were not operating according to indians what stopped the indians from air dominance and letting its troops take kashmir ?
It makes no sense for someone to have the advantage and then not go for its key goal .
Yes just like @Rana claimed Pakistan won the Asia Cup as Farhan hit sixes against Bumrah. Who care about actual reality or win when Pakistan can claimed fake victory by doing fake propaganda

:klopp :kp
 
This thread still going?

One thing is for sure, if anything, operation Sindoor has achieved permanent scarring of the Cult for generations to come.

Just like the Miandad 6, yet again another 6 (downed Indian fighters) does the job.

Low-IQ bhakts continue to insist they didn't lose any plane. LOL. :qdkcheeky

It is like arguing sky is pink. So stupid!

How can anyone discuss anything with them? They are clinically insane.
 
This thread still going?

One thing is for sure, if anything, operation Sindoor has achieved permanent scarring of the Cult for generations to come.

Just like the Miandad 6, yet again another 6 (downed Indian fighters) does the job.

These meaningless posts for self tasalli makes no sense. Be my guest and answer post #1615.

#HaiHimmat

:kp
 
This thread still going?

One thing is for sure, if anything, operation Sindoor has achieved permanent scarring of the Cult for generations to come.

Just like the Miandad 6, yet again another 6 (downed Indian fighters) does the job.
I’m starting to think this cult has only two hobbies, worshipping Sri Modi ji like he’s some divine action figure, and spending every waking moment on Pakistani forums trying to convince Pakistanis that Pakistani tea isn’t fantastic. That’s their whole personality pack.
 
Yeh sab kisne kiya phir if not IAF? Perhaps Martians ?

This report was prepared by the government of your country.

Please direct these silly questions to your elected representative that helped to prepare it, or your president that mocks your air force almost daily, if you have doubts on it's credibility.
 
This report was prepared by the government of your country.

Please direct these silly questions to your elected representative that helped to prepare it, or your president that mocks your air force almost daily, if you have doubts on it's credibility.

What do low-IQ sanghis and low-IQ flat Earthers have in common?

Both groups deny objective reality no matter how much evidences are presented to them. :inti
 
Same report says down that they might not have been Rafales at all..

And Chinese used the campaign to create disinformation .. or are we reading what we want?
You are talking about what's said few sentences down in the same paragraph? That sentence says that not all planes shot down were Rafale. I think that's pretty easy to comprehend and not what you are suggesting?
 
You are talking about what's said few sentences down in the same paragraph? That sentence says that not all planes shot down were Rafale. I think that's pretty easy to comprehend and not what you are suggesting?
none maybe rafale
 
On the 7th May evening itself both @Devadwal and I accepted 1 Rafael went down. We never lie dude. Its you guys who were changing the number of Indian planes went down every minute. At one point it was 20. Imagine this 20 Rafael Jets. Before Asia cup it settled down to 6 but Abhishek Sharma's innings...one more jet got added and now the tally is 7.

:klopp
You are a man of your word 🤭🤭🤣🤣 🫡


"No Rafael jet has been brought down and this theory has been bunked multiple times." Shri Rajdeep 7th May 2025
 
If sanghis strongly believe India didn't lose jets, why are they arguing?

The fact they are arguing shows they are only trying to convince themselves and others.

India lost 6-7 jets in that conflict. That's a fact. Indian jet losses have been confirmed by multiple sources.

No amount of fake news can fool rest of the world. It may only work on low-IQ sanghis who don't have the brains to think.

:inti:inti
 
If sanghis strongly believe India didn't lose jets, why are they arguing?

The fact they are arguing shows they are only trying to convince themselves and others.

India lost 6-7 jets in that conflict. That's a fact. Indian jet losses have been confirmed by multiple sources.

No amount of fake news can fool rest of the world. It may only work on low-IQ sanghis who don't have the brains to think.

:inti:inti
Islamist like you should Stop spreading fake propaganda like you earlier spread but i exposed all the agenda 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡


:klopp :kp
 
If sanghis strongly believe India didn't lose jets, why are they arguing?

The fact they are arguing shows they are only trying to convince themselves and others.

India lost 6-7 jets in that conflict. That's a fact. Indian jet losses have been confirmed by multiple sources.

No amount of fake news can fool rest of the world. It may only work on low-IQ sanghis who don't have the brains to think.

:inti:inti
I have a more basic question. Why doesn't their Airforce come out and say they lost no jets? That's quite standard to do when enemy makes huge false claims after a conflict. No andhbakht has given a proper response to that question.
 
I have a more basic question. Why doesn't their Airforce come out and say they lost no jets? That's quite standard to do when enemy makes huge false claims after a conflict. No andhbakht has given a proper response to that question.

They are stupid.

They think India win all wars and lose nothing during a war. They think real life is like Bollywood. :inti

bollywood-hero.gif
 
I have a more basic question. Why doesn't their Airforce come out and say they lost no jets? That's quite standard to do when enemy makes huge false claims after a conflict. No andhbakht has given a proper response to that question.
I think we lost jets, my point is no guarantee we lost Rafale’s as being told by Chinese..
Also now that you agree on this report I’m hoping every American report will be taken with that much “credibility “.
 
Islamist like you should Stop spreading fake propaganda like you earlier spread but i exposed all the agenda 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡


:klopp :kp
As per them Pakistani Establishment returned her to India.
 
This report was prepared by the government of your country.


Nope. It came from OSINT sources relying on Maxar satellite images ... and Maxar is a Amreeki company.

Please direct these silly questions to your elected representative that helped to prepare it, or your president that mocks your air force almost daily, if you have doubts on it's credibility.

Can you show me a video clip of Trump explicitly naming and shaming India in the context of the recent Ind-pak war ?
 
I have a more basic question. Why doesn't their Airforce come out and say they lost no jets? That's quite standard to do when enemy makes huge false claims after a conflict. No andhbakht has given a proper response to that question.

So lets say India lost 6 jets as claimed by Pakistan. Lets further assume that they were all Rafale's. Therefore Pak won the war because they shot down 6 kets?
 
I have a more basic question. Why doesn't their Airforce come out and say they lost no jets? That's quite standard to do when enemy makes huge false claims after a conflict. No andhbakht has given a proper response to that question.
They said ..Manohar kahaaani..and why should India confirm the number ..there sk a thing called fog of war...what we know is 1-2 jets were downed....a offensive force hitting objectives require risks...USAF lost 76 jets in desert storm...Iraq didn't win the war. Israel lost 3 f-35 but destroyed Iran's nuclear facility Hamas and hezbollah...Iranians are not claiming they won the war...
The us report clearly said China did fake propaganda...and whatever success..read jets down happened not due to pak skills but due to China. Obviously they are going to focus on China in China centric report...so no point discussing how India roughed up PAF and terrorists as that's due to lack of ability of Asif Munir and not China's fault.
 
If sanghis strongly believe India didn't lose jets, why are they arguing?

The fact they are arguing shows they are only trying to convince themselves and others.

India lost 6-7 jets in that conflict. That's a fact. Indian jet losses have been confirmed by multiple sources.

No amount of fake news can fool rest of the world. It may only work on low-IQ sanghis who don't have the brains to think.

:inti:inti
If jehadis like you don't think Pakistan lost jets why are they arguing..the fact that they are arguing shows that they are lying...

Jai Hasina
 
I have discussed this at length here multiple times with various posters but yet no one is able to tell me how did Pakistan won the war. Every other day someone makes this statement but dont tell us how.

Even if we assume, Pakistan down 7 Indian jets, which we all know is not true but lets assume it to be the case for this discussion, that also mean nothing. In any war, soldiers will die and planes will go down. These are by products and perks of war. The winner is someone who achieves the ultimate goal for which the war was fought.

Why the war was fought? It was because terrorists hiding inside Pakistan killed innocent tourists and holiday makers in Pahalgam.

What was the objective of the war? To eliminate those terrorists and their camps as much as possible.

India achieved that goal by Operation Sindoor on 7th May by sending jets deep inside mainland Pakistan and eliminate multiple terrorists. The war was over then as far as India is concerned.

From there on, all India has done is reciprocating to Pak's aggression. Ofcourse India lost jets in the process but did fair bit of damage inside Pakistan as well like destroying 11 airbases including Nur Khan. Pak also hit India with drones due to which IPL was called off etc.

However, all of these are skirmishes. You hit me and I hit you stuff. When Pakistan actually announced Operation Bunyan Marsoos, Trump declared ceasefire within 4 hours...meaning that operation never meterialized unlike Op Sindoor. Now we all may have different perspectives on who called ceasefire and why but no one knows for sure. Trump says he has done it even though until 8May JD Vance said US will not intervene, Ishaq Dar says he asked Prince Faisal to speak with S.Jaishankar and tell them if they stop we stop, Indian National Congress and our internal traitors says Modi surrendered. So no one knows for sure.

Only thing that we do know is, India has no reason to not accept the ceasefire as it has already won the war on 7th May. If Pakistan indeed downed 7 Indian jets, why did they accept cease fire just 4 hours after launching Op Bunyan Marsoos? They should have go ahead and send jets in Delhi, if they were so daring.

So pls tell me, or the learned posters here, where in this war Pakistan won and how? Expecting a genuine response without any trolling or bias.

This post is nothing but heap of gibberish posted in Sanghi Whatsapp Groups

For starters it was not even a war , you cant differntiate between War and limited conflict then you should not even be talking about this subject here. you only make yourself look childish

Second , Pak never said it has the capability to stop India from attacking or stop incoming missiles , That would again be a foolish expectation. India attacked civillian Targets , Killed Inncocents and labeled them terrorists without giving an iota of evidence that Palgham was done by Pak. Pak Simply responded and shot your Jets down which fired. it does nt matter if quantity was 7 or 3 or 1.. the fact that Pak retaliated is enough.
India attacked first , Pak responded . its as Simple as that. Damages are on both sides. No territory lost by Pak. You also say Pakistan downing jets “means nothing” because casualties happen in war but by that logic, India’s claim of hitting terrorists also “means nothing.” Either losses matter for both sides, or they matter for none.
Pak would always accept ceasfire because that equates to winning its objective and that is to stop India from capturing any of our land including Kashmir. Damage to bases is same as loosing Jets in the air while being considered a superior force overall
you’re ignoring the most basic point Pakistan’s objective in any limited conflict is always the same , prevent India from capturing territory or changing the status quo in Kashmir. The moment India stops pushing and accepts a ceasefire, Pakistan has already achieved its core goal. That’s why Pakistan has no issue accepting a ceasefire; it means the territorial situation remains exactly as Pakistan wants it. On the other hand, India claiming “we achieved our objective” doesn’t fit the reality, because limited damage to a base is the same category of loss as losing jets both are routine wartime costs, not strategic outcomes. If India losing few aircrafts “means nothing,” then India’s claimed strike on a camp also “means nothing.” What matters is whose strategic objective is intact at the end, and that’s Pakistan’s. The map didn’t change an inch, India halted operations as soon as Pakistan prepared a counter-strike, and the situation on the ground in Kashmir remained exactly the same. That itself answers the question of who achieved their war aim.
 
This post is nothing but heap of gibberish posted in Sanghi Whatsapp Groups

For starters it was not even a war , you cant differntiate between War and limited conflict then you should not even be talking about this subject here. you only make yourself look childish

Second , Pak never said it has the capability to stop India from attacking or stop incoming missiles , That would again be a foolish expectation. India attacked civillian Targets , Killed Inncocents and labeled them terrorists without giving an iota of evidence that Palgham was done by Pak. Pak Simply responded and shot your Jets down which fired. it does nt matter if quantity was 7 or 3 or 1.. the fact that Pak retaliated is enough.
India attacked first , Pak responded . its as Simple as that. Damages are on both sides. No territory lost by Pak. You also say Pakistan downing jets “means nothing” because casualties happen in war but by that logic, India’s claim of hitting terrorists also “means nothing.” Either losses matter for both sides, or they matter for none.
Pak would always accept ceasfire because that equates to winning its objective and that is to stop India from capturing any of our land including Kashmir. Damage to bases is same as loosing Jets in the air while being considered a superior force overall
you’re ignoring the most basic point Pakistan’s objective in any limited conflict is always the same , prevent India from capturing territory or changing the status quo in Kashmir. The moment India stops pushing and accepts a ceasefire, Pakistan has already achieved its core goal. That’s why Pakistan has no issue accepting a ceasefire; it means the territorial situation remains exactly as Pakistan wants it. On the other hand, India claiming “we achieved our objective” doesn’t fit the reality, because limited damage to a base is the same category of loss as losing jets both are routine wartime costs, not strategic outcomes. If India losing few aircrafts “means nothing,” then India’s claimed strike on a camp also “means nothing.” What matters is whose strategic objective is intact at the end, and that’s Pakistan’s. The map didn’t change an inch, India halted operations as soon as Pakistan prepared a counter-strike, and the situation on the ground in Kashmir remained exactly the same. That itself answers the question of who achieved their war aim.

I am not in any whatsapp group. That was my own writing. I always write my own posts based on my own understanding of things. Its just that I happen to right more often than not.

My response was to the poster who said Pak won the war. You ask him and not me.

India responded to the terror outfits hiding in Pakistan who perpetrated the Pahalgam attacks and killed innocent tourists. It had no intention to attack Pak civilians or army, unless ofcourse you are saying Pakistan = terrorists. Infact, the time for Op Sindoor was deliberately chosen mid night to limit civilian casualty. And LOL at killing innocent civilians. Hahaha.
 
I am not in any whatsapp group. That was my own writing. I always write my own posts based on my own understanding of things. Its just that I happen to right more often than not.

My response was to the poster who said Pak won the war. You ask him and not me.

India responded to the terror outfits hiding in Pakistan who perpetrated the Pahalgam attacks and killed innocent tourists. It had no intention to attack Pak civilians or army, unless ofcourse you are saying Pakistan = terrorists. Infact, the time for Op Sindoor was deliberately chosen mid night to limit civilian casualty. And LOL at killing innocent civilians. Hahaha.

India provided absolutely zero evidence of attack originating from Pak. And Attacked innocent Civillians in Pak where women and Children were killed in those mosque without apprehending the actual perpetrators who were hiding in IOK . This is what bully nations do.. Attack smaller countries and care not to provide evidence of Crime.

Also the supposed evidence the voter ID .. for that accept my LOL hahahaha btw Voter IDs dnt exist in Pakistan. Story needed to be anti bollywood fantasy to stick
 
This post is nothing but heap of gibberish posted in Sanghi Whatsapp Groups

For starters it was not even a war , you cant differntiate between War and limited conflict then you should not even be talking about this subject here. you only make yourself look childish

Second , Pak never said it has the capability to stop India from attacking or stop incoming missiles , That would again be a foolish expectation. India attacked civillian Targets , Killed Inncocents and labeled them terrorists without giving an iota of evidence that Palgham was done by Pak. Pak Simply responded and shot your Jets down which fired. it does nt matter if quantity was 7 or 3 or 1.. the fact that Pak retaliated is enough.
India attacked first , Pak responded . its as Simple as that. Damages are on both sides. No territory lost by Pak. You also say Pakistan downing jets “means nothing” because casualties happen in war but by that logic, India’s claim of hitting terrorists also “means nothing.” Either losses matter for both sides, or they matter for none.
Pak would always accept ceasfire because that equates to winning its objective and that is to stop India from capturing any of our land including Kashmir. Damage to bases is same as loosing Jets in the air while being considered a superior force overall
you’re ignoring the most basic point Pakistan’s objective in any limited conflict is always the same , prevent India from capturing territory or changing the status quo in Kashmir. The moment India stops pushing and accepts a ceasefire, Pakistan has already achieved its core goal. That’s why Pakistan has no issue accepting a ceasefire; it means the territorial situation remains exactly as Pakistan wants it. On the other hand, India claiming “we achieved our objective” doesn’t fit the reality, because limited damage to a base is the same category of loss as losing jets both are routine wartime costs, not strategic outcomes. If India losing few aircrafts “means nothing,” then India’s claimed strike on a camp also “means nothing.” What matters is whose strategic objective is intact at the end, and that’s Pakistan’s. The map didn’t change an inch, India halted operations as soon as Pakistan prepared a counter-strike, and the situation on the ground in Kashmir remained exactly the same. That itself answers the question of who achieved their war aim.
So India started this war to capture which territory that you claim that Paksitan thrawted India from capturing territory. We lobbed few missiles and didn't even cross LOC nor was their any mobilization...we were not trying to capture territory..so what did you prevent. Since the birth of Paksitan...it is Paksitan who has always attacked India trying to capture Indian territory and has failed every single war - 65 Kargil Siachen 71 ....in the process it lose Bangladesh. India has never tried to invade Pakistan ...and you cannot compare PoK as at the time of capture Kashmir was independent and now the citizens of PoK is revolting. So your success criterion itself is flawed.

The objective for India is to prevent Pak army and jihadis from commiting terrorism in India. On That topic destroying terror HQ, assassinating hafeez or Azhar or other terrorists housed in Pakistan, killing their jehadi foot soldiers, and even killing Masood azhars family member are all fair game. The objective was announced by modi..that the perpetrators of pahalgam will be hit..India achieved that on first night and said we don't want to continue the conflict. The fact that they were terrorist hideouts and not civilians has been covered by BBC sky News Australia and sky News England. Let and jem are on videos claiming they lost men and vowed revnege. Your army officers stood behind a UN outlawed terrorist to pay homage to the killed terrorists. These are all documented proof. So by that barometer India achieved its objectives. If you now say that the leaders of jem and let us safe and the terror infrastructure is not destroyed..so this attack is symbolic. And didn't meet the objective...you are right. We can't go into every house in Pakistan and do so.

As for ceasefire...India achieved its objective and unilaterally said we don't want to continue after may 7 unless pak retaliated. Pak retaliated and there is no evidence of any damage on Indian side. There after India only wanted to inflict enough damage on Pak army to dissuade aggression. Airbase..11 of them...radars hq9 were damaged. If war continued... India simply could have wiped the bases by increasing the number of missiles fired. Actual damage was low..strategic messaging and symbolism was key here. Question is what did Paksitan achieve. Did you internationalize Kashmor..does anyone care. Did you force India to accept IWT ...No. we achieved our stated objective of hitting terrorists and were done. Your objective as you said was to prevent India from invading...do you think losing a jet prevented India or just that we didn't care or want to invade for no reason. We don't covet your land. The real objective was for your army to show they can fire and inflict damage and sell a story to your people that they are defending Paksitan.

The fact is all their attacks failed. So while India shows satellite images and videos as well as social media from Paksitani citizens... Pakistan just makes videos of missiles firing but no damage. Not a single plane wreckage that is not Chinese ai generated. And no satellite images of damage on airbase s400 battery or Brahmos depot. Your country dgispr falsely accused India of attacking Afghanistan and Amritsar..such is your credibility.
 
India provided absolutely zero evidence of attack originating from Pak. And Attacked innocent Civillians in Pak where women and Children were killed in those mosque without apprehending the actual perpetrators who were hiding in IOK . This is what bully nations do.. Attack smaller countries and care not to provide evidence of Crime.

Also the supposed evidence the voter ID .. for that accept my LOL hahahaha btw Voter IDs dnt exist in Pakistan. Story needed to be anti bollywood fantasy to stick

Why do you lie so much that can easily be debunked?

Sky News and BBC have already shown that those mosques were terror HQs. They are countless social media posts. Your jehadi leaders are on video vowing revenge for killing their relatives and soldiers. Your army stood beside the un designated terrorists to pay homage to the fallen jehadis. So what are you saying that we attacked innocent civilians.

As for proof...I do agree we didn't provide conclusive evidence...it is not always easy to do so. But if you have a convicted sex offender as your neighbor and a child goes missing the suspicion falls on the usual suspect. Trl or let took responsibility. Trl got banned. Trl is based in Pakistan. Case closed and punishment meted out to terrorists. I thought you all are against terrorism...pak army should have hit the ttp and Baloch terrorists in India ...like India hit the terrorists.
 
So India started this war to capture which territory that you claim that Paksitan thrawted India from capturing territory. We lobbed few missiles and didn't even cross LOC nor was their any mobilization...we were not trying to capture territory..so what did you prevent. Since the birth of Paksitan...it is Paksitan who has always attacked India trying to capture Indian territory and has failed every single war - 65 Kargil Siachen 71 ....in the process it lose Bangladesh. India has never tried to invade Pakistan ...and you cannot compare PoK as at the time of capture Kashmir was independent and now the citizens of PoK is revolting. So your success criterion itself is flawed.

The objective for India is to prevent Pak army and jihadis from commiting terrorism in India. On That topic destroying terror HQ, assassinating hafeez or Azhar or other terrorists housed in Pakistan, killing their jehadi foot soldiers, and even killing Masood azhars family member are all fair game. The objective was announced by modi..that the perpetrators of pahalgam will be hit..India achieved that on first night and said we don't want to continue the conflict. The fact that they were terrorist hideouts and not civilians has been covered by BBC sky News Australia and sky News England. Let and jem are on videos claiming they lost men and vowed revnege. Your army officers stood behind a UN outlawed terrorist to pay homage to the killed terrorists. These are all documented proof. So by that barometer India achieved its objectives. If you now say that the leaders of jem and let us safe and the terror infrastructure is not destroyed..so this attack is symbolic. And didn't meet the objective...you are right. We can't go into every house in Pakistan and do so.

As for ceasefire...India achieved its objective and unilaterally said we don't want to continue after may 7 unless pak retaliated. Pak retaliated and there is no evidence of any damage on Indian side. There after India only wanted to inflict enough damage on Pak army to dissuade aggression. Airbase..11 of them...radars hq9 were damaged. If war continued... India simply could have wiped the bases by increasing the number of missiles fired. Actual damage was low..strategic messaging and symbolism was key here. Question is what did Paksitan achieve. Did you internationalize Kashmor..does anyone care. Did you force India to accept IWT ...No. we achieved our stated objective of hitting terrorists and were done. Your objective as you said was to prevent India from invading...do you think losing a jet prevented India or just that we didn't care or want to invade for no reason. We don't covet your land. The real objective was for your army to show they can fire and inflict damage and sell a story to your people that they are defending Paksitan.

The fact is all their attacks failed. So while India shows satellite images and videos as well as social media from Paksitani citizens... Pakistan just makes videos of missiles firing but no damage. Not a single plane wreckage that is not Chinese ai generated. And no satellite images of damage on airbase s400 battery or Brahmos depot. Your country dgispr falsely accused India of attacking Afghanistan and Amritsar..such is your credibility.

hahahahahahahahahhaa

Taking back this side of Kashmir is your objective and its stated in your constitution since you Annexed Kashmir in 2019 . Its not our fault if your Army cannot execute it so there goes your theory that India do nt want Land

Attack on May 7 was not something new that India pulled out. Same kind of strategic and Symbolic messaging happened in 2019 , It failed according to your own standards because if we accept your narrative of Terrorism then that 2019 messaging had no effect on Pak and Palgham happened anyway. You Say May 7 attack's only objective to hit Terrorists , so what was new in that? in 2019 you lost Jets. 2025 you lost Jets again. This time Modi's Raphale . Your Downed Jets is evidence of Pak's Retaliation . It does nt matter if you admit it or not. You can tell us Sky news or BBC for that matter which is western media covered the story of those terrorists hideouts in Pakistan and you present this as evidence to us but also refuse to believe same western media who has been Saying India lost jets in May . You cannot just selectively choose what news you want to believe and then question the credibility of same media if narrative goes against you. Thats simply not how real world works perhaps in bollywood this delusion can stick

Sat Images Sat Images thats what you have been continoulsy chirping. Tell me when did Pak deny that there is ni Damage to Pak's Bases. You are trying to prove something when no body asked for proofs. All those Sat images were absent when Pak asked where are sat images of our downed Jets in 2019 when Abh was given Valor award for being captured 🤣 or when your Chief woke up after 2 months and claimed Kills of PAF jets . Sat Images convienently disappear or not availble. why is that?

if you want to know what damage Pak did , may be check press conference of Sofia qureshi in morning of May 10. Raise the volume and listen to her carefully
 

Why do you lie so much that can easily be debunked?

Sky News and BBC have already shown that those mosques were terror HQs. They are countless social media posts. Your jehadi leaders are on video vowing revenge for killing their relatives and soldiers. Your army stood beside the un designated terrorists to pay homage to the fallen jehadis. So what are you saying that we attacked innocent civilians.

As for proof...I do agree we didn't provide conclusive evidence...it is not always easy to do so. But if you have a convicted sex offender as your neighbor and a child goes missing the suspicion falls on the usual suspect. Trl or let took responsibility. Trl got banned. Trl is based in Pakistan. Case closed and punishment meted out to terrorists. I thought you all are against terrorism...pak army should have hit the ttp and Baloch terrorists in India ...like India hit the terrorists.

lol what? I told you voter Ids dnt exist in Pak and you reply Election Comission of Pak
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In Pak you dnt need voter ID to vote. Your National ID card act as Voter ID and pretty sure no terrorist in world will carry ID card so if caught he can spare headache of investigation

so now socia media videos are proof? the same social media that circulated downed jets images which you dnt want to admit or have audacity to mention here what BBC or Sky news reported ..
 
hahahahahahahahahhaa

Taking back this side of Kashmir is your objective and its stated in your constitution since you Annexed Kashmir in 2019 . Its not our fault if your Army cannot execute it so there goes your theory that India do nt want Land

Attack on May 7 was not something new that India pulled out. Same kind of strategic and Symbolic messaging happened in 2019 , It failed according to your own standards because if we accept your narrative of Terrorism then that 2019 messaging had no effect on Pak and Palgham happened anyway. You Say May 7 attack's only objective to hit Terrorists , so what was new in that? in 2019 you lost Jets. 2025 you lost Jets again. This time Modi's Raphale . Your Downed Jets is evidence of Pak's Retaliation . It does nt matter if you admit it or not. You can tell us Sky news or BBC for that matter which is western media covered the story of those terrorists hideouts in Pakistan and you present this as evidence to us but also refuse to believe same western media who has been Saying India lost jets in May . You cannot just selectively choose what news you want to believe and then question the credibility of same media if narrative goes against you. Thats simply not how real world works perhaps in bollywood this delusion can stick

Sat Images Sat Images thats what you have been continoulsy chirping. Tell me when did Pak deny that there is ni Damage to Pak's Bases. You are trying to prove something when no body asked for proofs. All those Sat images were absent when Pak asked where are sat images of our downed Jets in 2019 when Abh was given Valor award for being captured 🤣 or when your Chief woke up after 2 months and claimed Kills of PAF jets . Sat Images convienently disappear or not availble. why is that?

if you want to know what damage Pak did , may be check press conference of Sofia qureshi in morning of May 10. Raise the volume and listen to her carefully
Glad we are talking now. Our constitution says PoK is part of India..it doesn't say we will forcefully take it over. It is not about capability ..it's more about the cost in terms of economy and losses...you won't understand it ...if we want we will take it just like we took Bangladesh and defeated your army's every attempt to take Kashmir. Let's not go back in time...those defeats are documented in your country's history...late but still there.

2019 we didn't have proof..so we rectified it. Your army cordoned of Balakot for two months before inviting journalist. Wonder why. After balakot six years of peace...for a failed attack acc to you ..that's quite a good outcome. We will see how many years of peace Sindoor provides. Let's come to the jet questions. First for Balakot these are the facts. Challenge me and I will share YouTube videos for each.

Two planes crashed ..one was mig21. The other was Pakistan jets most likely f16. Imagine a mig21 shooting down f16. Abhinandan was captured. Not sure what happened to your pilot was he dead or injured. This has all been captured on videos with two contrails and two parachutes plus your dgispr statement. Later as usual Pak tried to hide. This is all documented here. You can challenge me and I will share videos or Twitter posts. Dnt hide behind saying this is Indian media...but challenge the videos and messages posted by Paksitani dgispr or citizens.


As for Sindoor jets..our CDc is on record saying there were 1-2 losses but far less than 6 claimed. Your side has not provided any video images or night explosions or wreckage of any damaged jets. As for satellite images...did I claim Paksitan denied damages on their side...I'm saying where is the proof of your side claims

26 bases and udhanpur air base destroyed
S400 center of gravity destroyed
Brahmos depot destroyed.

Do you think destroying a Brahmos depot will not cause a massive. Fireball and Indian social media will not have videos of it. Why can't your satellites pick up those damages...why can't us or chinese satellites show any damage. So let's retrace the conflict history.

India hits terrorists. As per Pak claims you shot down jets. That happens on day 1.
So IAF is at its lowest point and Pak is at its highest point. No ceasefire happened.

What happens next. Hq9 damaged, radar sites hit. 11 airbases hit, paf jets brought down..last one is unwveified beyond a jet and a AWACS in bholari.

Pak has nothing to show after that.

Who do you think would want a ceasefire at this stage..hint the country calling a nuclear group meeting to protect itself ..a weapon of last resort.


You said why I disagree with Western media regarding terrorist sites and jets down. In case of terrorists sites...there were reporters on the ground..there were documented social media posts. In case of jets most reports say Paksitan claimed this many jets were down. Reporting your claims is not same as saying they have verified them...there was no wreckage or independent radar verification etc. they did report your claims. So far only Washington post carried a picture of fuel tank and a bs01 wing tip. That is all
 
lol what? I told you voter Ids dnt exist in Pak and you reply Election Comission of Pak
🤣


In Pak you dnt need voter ID to vote. Your National ID card act as Voter ID and pretty sure no terrorist in world will carry ID card so if caught he can spare headache of investigation

so now socia media videos are proof? the same social media that circulated downed jets images which you dnt want to admit or have audacity to mention here what BBC or Sky news reported ..
Don't change the goal post. Did you click the link ...it says ec of Paksitan made it mandatory to use voter id card..hence proving you are lying. Whether it is voter id or national id is a different matter..they serve the purpose of checking identity during voting.

Now you do have a point why would a terrorist carry voter id. If they want to hide their identity..yes . But if they want to instigate a war..then they would carry it.

Social media images produced by Pakistani citizen on the ground . Can you share one image from India that shows

6 jet wreckage
Explosion of jets in night sky
Brahmos depot burning
S400 destroyed
Udhanpur airbase destroyed.

All I saw is damage in civilian areas and a blast near udhampur airbase.

Dnt show Chinese or Pakistani social media of the above...
 
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