Aakash Chopra questions value of runs/wickets against Zim & weak teams in comparison to strong teams

[Abdullah719]

Aakash Chopra questions value of runs/wickets against Zim & weak teams in comparison to strong teams

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The state of Zimbabwe cricket is, once again, forcing us to ask the question--why and how runs/wickets against seriously weak teams are given equal weightage as International runs/wickets vs must stronger teams?? Shouldn't there be a system to differentiate both...</p>— Aakash Chopra (@cricketaakash) <a href="https://twitter.com/cricketaakash/status/1020979203301404672?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 22, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[Gabbar Singh]

*grabs popcorn*

 

[Kohli The King of Chase]

He has rights to voice out his opinion tho!

 

[big_gamer007]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The state of Zimbabwe cricket is, once again, forcing us to ask the question--why and how runs/wickets against seriously weak teams are given equal weightage as International runs/wickets vs must stronger teams?? Shouldn't there be a system to differentiate both...</p>— Aakash Chopra (@cricketaakash) <a href="https://twitter.com/cricketaakash/status/1020979203301404672?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 22, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Rubbish from Akash Chopra.. Runs are runs no matter against which opposition they come against.

Don’t you see people dismissing goals against weaker teams?
Do you see tennis stars dismissing their W/L ratio by removing wins against weak teams?
Do you see basketball players removing points from their career points by removing points scored against weak teams?

Runs or wickets against weak opposition should count.. However when discussing lists of ATG’s these runs are dismissed.. So unless imam or Babar or fakhar perform the same against top oppositions ultimately the runs will be in their stats but they will never be considered great players.

Simple as that Akash Chopra seems to come across as jealous with his post.

 

[Mamoon]

My guess is that the Champions Trophy Final will be referenced around 25 times in this thread.

 

[Rahul1]

But Rohit has made his entire career out of bashing Sri Lanka.

 

[Zaz]

Hes right There should be It was brutal how pakiatan mauled the poor indian team last yr Totally unfair

 

[Itachi]

It should be counted. Disagreed with chopra.

Only question is, aren't fans getting bored with these type of matches?

If we look in terms of effect, these type of matches are more harmful to cricket then the so called T20 leagues.

 

[mak36]

My guess is that the Champions Trophy Final will be referenced around 25 times in this thread.

Because India are minnows?

 

[Rahul1]

Hes right There should be It was brutal how pakiatan mauled the poor indian team last yr Totally unfair

Here's the first reference [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION].

 

[Mamoon]

Because India are minnows?

It is a great “get out of jail” card for our resident patriots. When in trouble, talk about the Champions Trophy Final.

 

[mak36]

Here's the first reference [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION].

I don't think that's how he meant. Mamoon has walked into this one.

 

[Mamoon]

Here's the first reference [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION].

24 to go.

 

[Mamoon]

I don't think that's what he meant. Mamoon has walked into this one.

It is clear what I meant. These days, every discussion involving India is eventually directed to the Champions Trophy.

 

[Darkrai]

Jealousy nothing else.

 

[Khan12]

He is so upset. Someone help him with tissues.

 

[Aman]

Imam and Fakhar brought up the same topic (runs against weak teams), but I can't see this turning out well for Chopra.

Fact of the matter is we already do this when we compare players and check stats against top 8/Aus, NZ, SA, India, Pak and Eng. That's just how a player's quality is assessed.

 

[Darkrai]

It is clear what I meant. These days, every discussion involving India is eventually directed to the Champions Trophy.

Maybe if certain posters stop hatting on Pakistan and stop saying the same negative things over and over and over then perhaps Pakistan fans wouldn't have to mention CT.

 

[Aman]

Rubbish from Akash Chopra.. Runs are runs no matter against which opposition they come against.

Of course they're not.

I'd rather have Kane, Guptill score nothing against Zimbabwe, Ireland etc. and score runs against teams like Aus, India, Pakistan. No one will remember those games and frankly no one will rate those performances because they're not strong teams.

There's a reason so many here hate it when TTFs score runs against minnows to secure spots and become passengers against the stronger teams. They'd prefer to see them fail so they don't have to carry them for when they play the top teams.

 

[Khan12]

Maybe if certain posters stop hatting on Pakistan and stop saying the same negative things over and over and over then perhaps Pakistan fans wouldn't have to mention CT.

Potw. He is the one obsessed with india.

 

[mak36]

Imam and Fakhar brought up the same topic (runs against weak teams), but I can't see this turning out well for Chopra.

Fact of the matter is we already do this when we compare players and check stats against top 8/Aus, NZ, SA, India, Pak and Eng. That's just how a player's quality is assessed.

Chopra isn't stupid. He is appealing to the lowest common denominator in the hope of trying to stay relevant/score brownie points.

Your last paragraph is spot on.

 

[ElRaja]

did he say anything when rashid khan ran up 100 odi wickets without ever playing a decent team?

every top player has had the chance to minnow bash in their careers, fakhar and imam just did it really well.

i dont think akash is a hater, jst think his point in nonsensical in an era of trying to induct more teams (minnows) into international cricket.

 

[Syed1]

Take away Zimbabwe from KL Rahul's record and then watch his average tumble

 

[Khan12]

No one considers a player an atg if they only perform against weak teams so he should stop crying. He's just bitter taht fakahr got the record I am sure if it was an Indian he will be saying doesn't matter which team he has got it against.

 

[Syed1]

My guess is that the Champions Trophy Final will be referenced around 25 times in this thread.

You are the one who brought it up even when there was no discussion about it




Irony just died a thousand deaths

 

[Hasan123]

Runs are runs . They shouldn't be used to over hype a player that's all.

 

[Madplayer]

My guess is that the Champions Trophy Final will be referenced around 25 times in this thread.

Yes that 100 of Fakhar in CT final should not be counted as per Akash's "logic" because it came against a minnow attack.

Also, tendulkar's 11 centuries against proper minnows shoul not be counted.

We didnt hear this man speaking when Indians were piling runs against a minnow west indies side, or zimbabwe side or in the Nidhahas trophy against minnows. Suddenly he has woken up.

 

[Sean143]

did he say anything when rashid khan ran up 100 odi wickets without ever playing a decent team?

every top player has had the chance to minnow bash in their careers, fakhar and imam just did it really well.

i dont think akash is a hater, jst think his point in nonsensical in an era of trying to induct more teams (minnows) into international cricket.

Yup that's exactly my point, Rashid was even included in the all time T20 11 ahead of Ajmal, and for what? Performance against associates and in a T20 league.

 

[Darkrai]

Of course it's brought up when Pakistan is the one creating records against weaker teams...talk about cheap mentality.

 

[Rayyman]

Aakash Chopra must be really mad how Pakistani batting is catching up to Indians. In fact, it may be even be better now considering the Indian rubbish middle order and tail. Their batting was their pride. It's all they had considering the bowling is minnow-level and got smashed for 338 in the CT final.

 

[90MPH]

I agree with Akash, these records should be wiped out immediately

Hopefully the ICC does something about this.

Just one question, what took him so long before this wonderful idea came to his head ?

 

[Sean143]

Yup that's exactly my point, Rashid was even included in the all time T20 11 ahead of Ajmal, and for what? Performance against associates and in a T20 league.

You can take the performance of Kuldeep as a case study, he got a 6-fer in the first games but was played well in the rest of the series, and that is what good sides do in modern day cricket.

But if he had been playing against the likes of UAE and HongKong, he would be getting 6-fers for fun

Kuldeep and Rashid are equally good bowlers, and shadab is the 3rd best spinners in LOI's (though his allround ability makes him a far far superior player then both Kuldeep and Rashid)

 

[Titan24]

What abt runs and wickets and Afghanistan in tests? What abt scoring runs against Srl and that also in home?
What abt runs scored against teams in previous world cups which didnt even have any sort of status i.e Kenya, Barmuda etc

Lol! Akash chopra is wanna be funny trying to form a poor partnership of jokers with sehwag.

 

[Titan24]

Why didnt he say that when Raydu scored 62 of 120 balls against the very same bowling attack except creamer? Hahahaha

 

[Rayyman]

Maybe Aakash has seen Zaman's average and how it has gone through the roof after this Zimbabwe series. Well Fakhar only has three ODI 100s and one of them against India in the CT final. I doubt he would consider India's bowling that of a weak team.

 

[Titan24]

Oh Tendulkar wont have 100 100s now when we dont consider records against weaker teams

 

[Titan24]

Maybe Aakash has seen Zaman's average and how it has gone through the roof after this Zimbabwe series. Well Fakhar only has three ODI 100s and one of them against India in the CT final. I doubt he would consider India's bowling that of a weak team.

Yes and its not Pakistan or Fakhar’s headache that Indian batsmen couldnt score a lot against Zimbabwe and ICC has given them test and ODI status.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

At the end of their career,players are judged by how many runs they score.

Every good player has bashed weak opposition.You cannot simply take those runs/wickets away.

 

[Rayyman]

Yes and its not Pakistan or Fakhar’s headache that Indian batsmen couldnt score a lot against Zimbabwe and ICC has given them test and ODI status.

Well maybe they should take Kohli's hundreds against Sri Lanka away. He couldn't do it when he came against Pakistan's bowling attack in the CT final. That pitch was tailor-made for him but I think he prefers weaker bowling.

 

[Mr.Q]

You guys are easily provoked. Wasting time talking about a comment made by Akash Chopra lol. Who and what is he?!

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

That was a poor statement from Akash Chopra. Even our batsman and bowlers have scored runs and taken wickets against weaker oppositions.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

You guys are easily provoked. Wasting time talking about a comment made by Akash Chopra lol. Who and what is he?!

Ex cricketer and opener. He used to open with Virender Sehwag and played an important part in many partnerships with Sehwag.

 

[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Some criticising Pakistan batsmen for doing well against Zimbabwe. Players can't control quality of the opposition. For example Sachin Tendulkar:<br>10.9% of his Test runs were against Zimbabwe & Bangladesh.<br>13.67% of his ODI runs were against Kenya, Bangladesh & Zimbabwe<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1021008130640175105?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 22, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[Usman Chadda]

Is this first series a test nation has played against Zimbabwe? The timing is rubbish, even if there is some merit in the argument

 

[Mamoon]

The Zimbabwe against which Tendulkar scored is not the Zimbabwe that we are playing in this series.

Even a full strength but weak Zimbabwe team has won a Test and ODI against us in the last few years, and were well on their way to embarrass us in the third ODI in Lahore in 2015.

This is Zimbabwe team is no better than Nepal. A complete joke of a series that should have been a 3 match ODI series at best.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

in isolation what he says is correct, but Aakash knows there is value in trolling Pakistanis

 

[shariqnoor]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Some criticising Pakistan batsmen for doing well against Zimbabwe. Players can't control quality of the opposition. For example Sachin Tendulkar:<br>10.9% of his Test runs were against Zimbabwe & Bangladesh.<br>13.67% of his ODI runs were against Kenya, Bangladesh & Zimbabwe<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1021008130640175105?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 22, 2018</a></blockquote>
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This only goes to show that Sachin's runs were hardly against minnows. 11% and 14% are extremely low percentages.

 

[saeed5646]

Who is this guy never heard of him?

Is he asking this now after pakistan and zim series ?if he is so honest should have said when india was playing weak team.

 

[Nelson on]

You guys are easily provoked. Wasting time talking about a comment made by Akash Chopra lol. Who and what is he?!

Absolutely correct. I mean outside India he is a no body.
Probably No body listens to him in his own house hold

 

[TM Riddle]

My guess is that the Champions Trophy Final will be referenced around 25 times in this thread.

It should be. Aakash comes across as a whinging prat in this tweet.

 

[Usman Chadda]

The Zimbabwe against which Tendulkar scored is not the Zimbabwe that we are playing in this series.

Even a full strength but weak Zimbabwe team has won a Test and ODI against us in the last few years, and were well on their way to embarrass us in the third ODI in Lahore in 2015.

This is Zimbabwe team is no better than Nepal. A complete joke of a series that should have been a 3 match ODI series at best.

The Pakistan team that played in 2015 was a joke and would have done similarly against the current no-hopers. No way should you lose to Chibhabha, Chigumbura, Panyangara, Utseya etc. Chatara was Man of the Match in the test we dropped in 2013. He is literally getting a hammering right now. This series has seen a mauling not experienced ever, let alone by a Pakistan cricket team

It's futile to compare any Zimbabwe teams as they are all equally rubbish, unless you are talking about the one in the 90s

 

[Mamoon]

It should be. Aakash comes across as a whinging prat in this tweet.

I don’t want to shoot the messenger. The fact is that this series has been a disgrace and we do not deserve these artificial records.

There are weak teams, there are minnows and then there is this Zimbabwe C team. This is a club level team and this series doesn’t deserve international status.

Sarfraz has to be the luckiest captain in Pakistan’s history, but not everyone is going to forget the 5-0 reality check in New Zealand.

 

[Mamoon]

The Pakistan team that played in 2015 was a joke and would have done similarly against the current no-hopers. No way should you lose to Chibhabha, Chigumbura, Panyangara, Utseya etc. Chatara was Man of the Match in the test we dropped in 2013. He is literally getting a hammering right now. This series has seen a mauling not experienced ever, let alone by a Pakistan cricket team

It's futile to compare any Zimbabwe teams as they are all equally rubbish, unless you are talking about the one in the 90s

Zimbabwe have been minnows for a while, they are missing quite a few players. A full-strength Zimbabwe team of today will easily blank this C team that we are merrily bashing.

 

[Nelson on]

The Zimbabwe against which Tendulkar scored is not the Zimbabwe that we are playing in this series.

Even a full strength but weak Zimbabwe team has won a Test and ODI against us in the last few years, and were well on their way to embarrass us in the third ODI in Lahore in 2015.

This is Zimbabwe team is no better than Nepal. A complete joke of a series that should have been a 3 match ODI series at best.

And this is all Pakistan’s fault that Zimbabwe are not playing there full strength squad .
Eh Einstein?

 

[Rahul1]

Zimbabwe of the mid to late 90s were better than most teams today. Scoring against a well past his peak Steyn in 2018 is not the same as scoring against a peak Steyn in 2010.

Zimbabwe defeated Pakistan IN Pakistan in a test series in the 90s for crying out loud.

I hope people realize this.

 

[Darkrai]

I don’t want to shoot the messenger. The fact is that this series has been a disgrace and we do not deserve these artificial records.

There are weak teams, there are minnows and then there is this Zimbabwe C team. This is a club level team and this series doesn’t deserve international status.

Sarfraz has to be the luckiest captain in Pakistan’s history, but not everyone is going to forget the 5-0 reality check in New Zealand.

Wrong people will forget 5-0 but they will never forget CT and number 1 T20 ranking.

Yes i said CT now don't cry.

 

[Runner Up]

When is Indian team going to Zimbabwe in future? I would love to see how his team plays.

 

[Kohli The King of Chase]

Nothing wrong in what he said. But timing is bad. He didn't said anything when we played test against Afghanistan.

He should have waited till Asia cup and said later

 

[Abdullah719]

This only goes to show that Sachin's runs were hardly against minnows. 11% and 14% are extremely low percentages.

In isolation, yes. But he scored almost 5000 with 19 hundreds runs against minnows across all formats and obviously averages a good amount against them. Almost any batsman will have better numbers against minnows than they do against top teams but you can't remove that from their stats. Though you can dissect the stats deeper in order to come to a conclusion about the player's value.

 

[TM Riddle]

I don’t want to shoot the messenger. The fact is that this series has been a disgrace and we do not deserve these artificial records.

There are weak teams, there are minnows and then there is this Zimbabwe C team. This is a club level team and this series doesn’t deserve international status.

Sarfraz has to be the luckiest captain in Pakistan’s history, but not everyone is going to forget the 5-0 reality check in New Zealand.

You can only score against the opposition your board has scheduled for you to play. What do you expect players to do in this case, throw away their wickets because the other team is a minnow?

Whilst I agree that runs scored against such sides are definitely soft and rarely taken seriously(except for a few deluded fans) but targeting only Pakistani batsmen is sour grapes from Akash considering everybody enjoy a good minnow bashing whether they are newbies like Fakhar and Babar or legends such as Lara and Tendulkar.

 

[Mamoon]

When is Indian team going to Zimbabwe in future? I would love to see how his team plays.

They won’t be playing their first choice team. India U-19 team that recently won the U-19 World Cup would easily smash this Zimbabwe side.

 

[saeed5646]

Zimbabwe of the mid to late 90s were better than most teams today. Scoring against a well past his peak Steyn in 2018 is not the same as scoring against a peak Steyn in 2010.

Zimbabwe defeated Pakistan IN Pakistan in a test series in the 90s for crying out loud.

I hope people realize this.

They beat the mighty india in bilterail and a t20 recently when next coming of kohli rahul was also playing don.t act like a child of socal media

 

[Mamoon]

And this is all Pakistan’s fault that Zimbabwe are not playing there full strength squad .
Eh Einstein?

It isn’t their fault, but it is important that the players also realize that this series is little more than net practice. The records that they have made in this series have no significance.

 

[InziRules]

You can only score against the opposition your board has scheduled for you to play. What do you expect players to do in this case, throw away their wickets because the other team is a minnow?

Whilst I agree that runs scored against such sides are definitely soft and rarely taken seriously(except for a few deluded fans) but targeting only Pakistani batsmen is sour grapes from Akash considering everybody enjoy a good minnow bashing whether they are newbies like Fakhar and Babar or legends such as Lara and Tendulkar.

Exactly.

If anything, it's a positive thing that we're smashing them. Maybe [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] doesn't remember how we did against Minnows in the past and is thinking we're Australia or something.

 

[Mamoon]

You can only score against the opposition your board has scheduled for you to play. What do you expect players to do in this case, throw away their wickets because the other team is a minnow?

Whilst I agree that runs scored against such sides are definitely soft and rarely taken seriously(except for a few deluded fans) but targeting only Pakistani batsmen is sour grapes from Akash considering everybody enjoy a good minnow bashing whether they are newbies like Fakhar and Babar or legends such as Lara and Tendulkar.

They shouldn’t throw their wickets away but they should also realize that this a worthless series, and there performances have no significance.

 

[TM Riddle]

When is Indian team going to Zimbabwe in future? I would love to see how his team plays.

India is definitely a better side though and they rarely send their first squad to such tours.
No need to unnecessarily get provoked by a failed cricketer like Aakash who couldn't even bash minnows when given chance.

 

[Rahul1]

They beat the mighty india in bilterail and a t20 recently when next coming of kohli rahul was also playing don.t act like a child of socal media

What?

 

[Usman Chadda]

Zimbabwe have been minnows for a while, they are missing quite a few players. A full-strength Zimbabwe team of today will easily blank this C team that we are merrily bashing.

Full strength Zimbabwe would get thrashed as well. Their bowling attack is similar to what they are fielding right now, the batting might have done a bit better

 

[saeed5646]

In isolation, yes. But he scored almost 5000 with 19 hundreds runs against minnows across all formats and obviously averages a good amount against them. Almost any batsman will have better numbers against minnows than they do against top teams but you can't remove that from their stats. Though you can dissect the stats deeper in order to come to a conclusion about the player's value.

Nearly 5 thousand runs and 19 hundred mr akash you are right but have guts to highlight this also

 

[TM Riddle]

They shouldn’t throw their wickets away but they should also realize that this a worthless series, and there performances have no significance.

I am sure deep down inside they can differentiate between a easy peesy side like Zimbabwe and strong ones like England and India.
Do you expect them to express it in a full press conference so that posters on PP can finally sleep well in their beds?

 

[InziRules]

I am sure deep down inside they can differentiate between a easy peesy side like Zimbabwe and strong ones like England and India.
Do you expect them to express it in a full press conference so that posters on PP can finally sleep well in their beds?

Imam Ul Haq: I want to acknowledge that reality check is coming

 

[ManFan]

This is some prime time trolling.

You got to give the man credit.

 

[Darkrai]

Nothing wrong in what he said. But timing is bad. He didn't said anything when we played test against Afghanistan.

He should have waited till Asia cup and said later

What about individual bowlers like pandya and kumar? Should the runs also not count when scored against them? I mean their averages are no better than Zimbabwe players.

 

[Mamoon]

Full strength Zimbabwe would get thrashed as well. Their bowling attack is similar to what they are fielding right now, the batting might have done a bit better

They would have lost 5-0 too, but at least they would have pushed us in a couple of games.

 

[saeed5646]

What?

India have lost a match to kenya also why did not you know about it?check your history before bringing pak stats of 15 to 20 years old

 

[Bewal Express]

This only goes to show that Sachin's runs were hardly against minnows. 11% and 14% are extremely low percentages.

What % of matches were played against these 2?

 

[Mamoon]

I am sure deep down inside they can differentiate between a easy peesy side like Zimbabwe and strong ones like England and India.
Do you expect them to express it in a full press conference so that posters on PP can finally sleep well in their beds?

Mickey and the players should not forget what happened when the last time they played an ODI series against a quality team.

 

[Bewal Express]

Champions trophy final anyone?

 

[Darkrai]

Mickey and the players should not forget what happened when the last time they played an ODI series against a quality team.

Who said they have forgotten? That's the reason why Azhar isn't in the squad and Hafeez is almost out.

 

[TM Riddle]

Mickey and the players should not forget what happened when the last time they played an ODI series against a quality team.

Stop evading my question. How do you know players already don't realize about the quality of opposition they are facing ATM?
Do you know any of them personally?