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Aamir Khan on intolerance: I am alarmed, my wife suggested moving out of India

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Soutik Biswas - BBC

The bitter backlash against Bollywood star Amir Khan's remarks about "growing intolerance" in India tells us a few things about the world's largest democracy.

At a journalism awards ceremony, Khan said there was a growing sense of fear, insecurity and despondency in the country, and that when he discussed things with his filmmaker wife, Kiran Rao, she wondered whether the family should move out of India.

"It is disastrous and big statement for Kiran to make to me. She fears for her child, what the atmosphere around us will be, she feels scared to open the newspaper every day. There is a growing sense of disquiet, and despondency. You feel depressed, you feel low. Why is this happening?" Khan said.

Many believe Khan was spot on. In drawing-rooms in recent months, friends and acquaintances have told me that they worry about India - the dull economy, shambolic criminal-justice system, unchecked corruption, the fussing about non-issues, and now the acts of intolerance and the coarse and polarised levels of debate - and they would prefer their children to leave. There is a sense that the immense hope that Prime Minister Narendra Modi had offered before sweeping to power last year is fast slipping away.
Many high-profile writers and artists have raised concerns about what they feel is rising religious and cultural intolerance - rationalists have been killed and a Muslim man lynched over suspicions he consumed beef.


Not imploding

To be true, India is certainly not imploding with religious violence. But the protests against intolerance by artists and writers appear not to be so much a reaction to the scale of incidents, but a creeping anxiety over whether the highest levels of the government, including Mr Modi, seriously want to condemn or put their imprimatur behind them.

To make matters worse, Mr Modi and his senior ministers have not been quick enough to speak out against the incidents and hate speech, and when they have eventually done so, they have sounded scripted and remote. Finance Minister Arun Jaitley, for example, famously said that the lynching of the Muslim man would actually hurt India's image and "amount to policy diversions".

But the fierce public and social media backlash against Aamir Khan by the ruling BJP and supporters of Mr Modi possibly holds up a mirror to hardened positions in today's India.

There were protests outside Khan's house after his remarks
One is the rise of what a commentator calls a "species of hardcore supporters" of Mr Modi, who are derisively called Modi Bhakts - bhakt means worshipper of a deity - by liberal opponents.

They are not the fawning, old-fashioned sycophants that India's leaders are used to. Their identification with Mr Modi goes beyond mere spirited support, and they defend their leader with a sense of identification and aggressiveness which is unprecedented in India. Some of them behave more like his self-appointed intellectual guardians.

'Conspiracy'

Many of these supporters also believe that the world is out to get Mr Modi and say people with a history of reservations against him - Khan had condemned the 2002 Gujarat riots - have not been able to reconcile themselves to Mr Modi becoming prime minister.

What accounts for the emergence of the uber supporter? "Maybe, many of us were looking desperately for a strong leader and when we thought we had found one and elected him to power, we lost all perspective," wonders analyst Pratap Bhanu Mehta.

Secondly, criticising Mr Modi is increasingly being conflated with defaming India.

Junior Home Minister Kiren Rijiju says Khan's comments on intolerance "only bring down the image of the country and the prime minister". This, many believe, follows from rising hyper-nationalism and fragile self-esteem.

Mohammad Akhlaq was lynched over rumours that he had consumed beef

Many Modi supporters appear to be defining nationalism by the hard, irreconcilable position of loyalty rather than the values that India stands for. Mr Modi and his party cannot be entirely blamed for this worrying trend, which is becoming more glaring as India continues to frustrate its aspiring millions.
Thirdly - and most disturbingly - is a tendency to tell India's Muslims that they should be grateful that India is looking after them.

Disguised sectarianism

Bollywood actor Anupam Kher, who is an ardent supporter of Mr Modi, said Khan should remember that "this country has made you Aamir Khan". Implicit in such remarks, believe many, is a barely disguised sectarianism.

BJP chief Amit Shah spoke about crackers being burst in Pakistan if the BJP lost the recent Bihar elections. (The party suffered a drubbing, and there were no reports of any such celebrations across the border.) Senior party leader Giriraj Singh openly said that "those opposed to Mr Modi should go to Pakistan".
"There is a sense among the practitioners of majoritarian politics in the ruling party of creating a fantasy world of politics where Muslims don't matter. Also, now prejudice can be expressed without describing somebody as Muslim," says Mr Mehta.

But there is hope.

Far away from the shrill echo chamber of social media, the majority of Indians have proved to be calmer and more sceptical. The results of the recent Bihar election are a good example of that.
Critics say Mr Modi's government needs to realise that silence and inaction can breed anxiety.
There were a number of federal ministers present when Khan made his remarks at an awards ceremony on Tuesday. Many wondered why Arun Jaitley, the senior-most minister in the audience, did not stand up and say he understood the actor's anxiety and that his government would guarantee that every Indian, irrespective of his belief, was safe?

Why are Mr Modi and his ministers not articulating some of these elementary things?

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-34918431

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The truth is bitter.

Amir Khan is a brave guy to speak up against oppression, he's achieved his success because of who he is and his capabilities not cause of some fourth world country and it's hyper emotional masses.
 
Aamir Khan should just move out of India. One of these terrorists is going to hurt him or his family after he took the courage to speak out about the "world's largest democracy". :29:
 
India is not going to be a tolerant or secular nation anymore. This division in the society is irreversible. Welcome to the new India.
 
Aamir Khan should just move out of India. One of these terrorists is going to hurt him or his family after he took the courage to speak out about the "world's largest democracy". :29:

Where will he move? Muslims are being attacked or stabbed for fun in Europe and America. Their media doesn't even run these attack stories as passionately as Indian media does.

Amir may not realize it, but he is in one of the safest countries for Muslims.
 
I predicted a long ago way before Modi came into the power, that India becoming the next Taliban won't be that far. I have highlighted the similar pattern that Pakistan just came out of that religious stage whereas India is just entering into that stage now. This is just beginning unfortunately. Time will tell how long religious phase will last long in India. Modi becoming PM of India is going to be the disaster for India in the history of its political history.

The situation will reverse as Pakistan will have stable economy in the matter of time whereas the opposite consequence for India. Indian businessmen are worrying about Hindu extremism engulfing stable economy with flames.

Hindu extremism will hamper Indian economy: NYT

Some interesting points quoted;

Last week, Moody’s Analytics, a division of the bond rating and risk management company, warned that Mr. Modi “must keep his members in check or risk losing domestic and global credibility” — meaning, in so many words, its attractiveness to international investors.


Indian business leaders are no less alarmed. Over the weekend, N.R. Narayana Murthy, a co-founder of the Indian technology giant Infosys, lamented that “the reality today is that there is considerable fear” in the minds of the minority in India, and Kiran Mazumdar-Shaw, chairwoman and managing director of Biocon, said business leaders are “concerned with what’s happening all across the country.”
 
I predicted a long ago way before Modi came into the power, that India becoming the next Taliban won't be that far. I have highlighted the similar pattern that Pakistan just came out of that religious stage whereas India is just entering into that stage now. This is just beginning unfortunately. Time will tell how long religious phase will last long in India. Modi becoming PM of India is going to be the disaster for India in the history of its political history.

The situation will reverse as Pakistan will have stable economy in the matter of time whereas the opposite consequence for India. Indian businessmen are worrying about Hindu extremism engulfing stable economy with flames.

Hindu extremism will hamper Indian economy: NYT

Some interesting points quoted;

That means no Western tourists would want to go there after all.
 
That means no Western tourists would want to go there after all.

India is not safe for its own women let alone western women. What happened to the recent tourists in India indicates India is absolutely NO GO for a while or possibly longer depending on the fragile situation. :|
 
India is not safe for its own women let alone western women. What happened to the recent tourists in India indicates India is absolutely NO GO for a while or possibly longer depending on the fragile situation. :|

Never understood why Western tourists would want to go to India in the first place these days. I'd rather be in Malaysia or Singapore than to be in a subcontinental dump.
 
Having lived in India for so long, Aamir Khan should have known better that such a statement was going to invite a massive backlash.

For a so-called perfectionist, this was absolutely idiotic and thoughtless on his part.
 
Can see some cheap lives using this opportunity to have a go at India in this thread and most completely un-related to this topic

On topic, well the reaction was the same as would be for any person in any country criticizing their country in public. And I am on Amir's side on this issue BTW
 
India is not safe for its own women let alone western women. What happened to the recent tourists in India indicates India is absolutely NO GO for a while or possibly longer depending on the fragile situation. :|

Yes just like one incident of terrorism in the world makes all Muslims.... Oh wait, no that's not right
 
On topic, well the reaction was the same as would be for any person in any country criticizing their country in public. And I am on Amir's side on this issue BTW

So you agree that India has become very intolerant now, and super rich people have to worry about their kids' safety?
 
Amir Khan has a right to opinion i don't agree with him obviously the backlash against Amir Khan on "Internet" by uninstalling apps isn't necessarily extremist just unwarranted and plain stupid.

BSNL and AIR India have made operational profits i wonder if this was planned attempt to hide those not to forget the 170 above death toll in TN due to rains.
 
I predicted a long ago way before Modi came into the power, that India becoming the next Taliban won't be that far. I have highlighted the similar pattern that Pakistan just came out of that religious stage whereas India is just entering into that stage now. This is just beginning unfortunately. Time will tell how long religious phase will last long in India. Modi becoming PM of India is going to be the disaster for India in the history of its political history.

The situation will reverse as Pakistan will have stable economy in the matter of time whereas the opposite consequence for India. Indian businessmen are worrying about Hindu extremism engulfing stable economy with flames.

Hindu extremism will hamper Indian economy: NYT

Some interesting points quoted;

If by Hindu extremism they mean BJP then already Air India has come into operations profit after 9 years and BSNL also has shown profit moving from a loss from last fiscal.
If anything to go by Right wing in India is defn better at managing the economy but plain stupid at managing their MPs which btw Congress had issues as well and still do(Mani Shankar mouthfull)
 
So you agree that India has become very intolerant now, and super rich people have to worry about their kids' safety?

India was always Intolerant. This is just media is just giving attention to lot of these things a little more than before. The only change is that Ministers and MPs are getting loudmouth and openly telling which they should not and media is very happy to project it for their own benefit.

If intolerance means religious intolerance - tell me when was India not ? Is there a metric to measure it ? If yes may be the no. of incidences and no. of ppl died YoY. Check these and post it you will know the reality.
 
Everyone who has ever lived in India has faced intolerance, on some basis or the other.

We are a very complicated country with numerous divisions on the basis of caste, religion, region, language, colour and a number of other criteria.
When people in much smaller countries, with much more homogeneous populations don't see eye to eye on many issues, it would be naiive, even stupid, to assume that everything will be fine and dandy in a country like India.

Didn't Kashmiri Hindus face intolerance when they were chased out of their homes? Didn't Tamils face intolerance in Karnataka during the Cauvery water issue? Aren't Northeasterners facing intolerance in Delhi everyday? I can go on and on....

I didn't see Aamir Khan, A.R.Rehman or anyone else threatening to leave India due to its 'intolerance' when these events happened.

And we also have always had silly politicians creating problems and dividing our people. India may not be a perfect country, but the fact is that it has lasted and remains as one, and is by and large, tolerant to all its people. And no matter what anyone says, it will continue to be that way.

Our 200 million + Muslims aren't exactly lining up to leave India, as are our 50 Million+ Christians.
 
Many of these supporters also believe that the world is out to get Mr Modi and say people with a history of reservations against him - Khan had condemned the 2002 Gujarat riots - have not been able to reconcile themselves to Mr Modi becoming prime minister.

This.

Anyone who condemns BJP government is labelled a traitor. These people then bring in absurd logic to defend their beloved PM and start personal attacks on anyone who disagrees with them.
 
Many of these supporters also believe that the world is out to get Mr Modi and say people with a history of reservations against him - Khan had condemned the 2002 Gujarat riots - have not been able to reconcile themselves to Mr Modi becoming prime minister.

This.

Anyone who condemns BJP government is labelled a traitor. These people then bring in absurd logic to defend their beloved PM and start personal attacks on anyone who disagrees with them.

But Amir is not condemning the BJP govt. He is blaming the country and its people. If he has a problem with the govt then he should have the courage to say so, instead of tarnishing entire country. How would he feel if all Muslims are tarnished for the actions of a few maniacs?
 
But Amir is not condemning the BJP govt. He is blaming the country and its people. If he has a problem with the govt then he should have the courage to say so, instead of tarnishing entire country. How would he feel if all Muslims are tarnished for the actions of a few maniacs?

I am not talking about just this instance. In the past also, celebrities have been targeted by Bhakts because they dared to criticise Modi. Remember the furore when Shruti Seth criticised selfie with daughter campaign or the flak Chetan Bhagat got by these bhakts?

In a democracy every person should be able to voice their opinion but these bhakts apparently think that only Modi can save India and whole world is out to get Modi and BJP.
 
But Amir is not condemning the BJP govt. He is blaming the country and its people. If he has a problem with the govt then he should have the courage to say so, instead of tarnishing entire country. How would he feel if all Muslims are tarnished for the actions of a few maniacs?

By projecting Muslims as the victims, and people are not liking that, rightly so.
 
India is not going to be a tolerant or secular nation anymore. This division in the society is irreversible. Welcome to the new India.

It depends. India went through this wave of Hindu nationalism once before culminating in the election of the BJP in the 90's. That blew over when his party couldn't deliver more than empty rhetoric and the same might happen again. Personally I don't think capitalism can flourish in a country where religion interferes too much, and you can already see that there is a backlash beginning to mount against some of the needless communal stirring which Modi's supporters are indulging.
 
I am not talking about just this instance. In the past also, celebrities have been targeted by Bhakts because they dared to criticise Modi. Remember the furore when Shruti Seth criticised selfie with daughter campaign or the flak Chetan Bhagat got by these bhakts?

In a democracy every person should be able to voice their opinion but these bhakts apparently think that only Modi can save India and whole world is out to get Modi and BJP.

What is with the term bhakt? I assume you are a liberal, but giving labels to people of a different opinion is not a liberal trait. Why can someone mock Modi but his supporters cannot mock that person? A lot of points raised by these people are valid, that why these celebs hold double standards. Many are upset with the double standards of criticism, not at the criticism itself. If these celebs can broadbrush a country negatively then they should not complain when others are broad brushed negatively too.
 
What is with the term bhakt? I assume you are a liberal, but giving labels to people of a different opinion is not a liberal trait. Why can someone mock Modi but his supporters cannot mock that person? A lot of points raised by these people are valid, that why these celebs hold double standards. Many are upset with the double standards of criticism, not at the criticism itself. If these celebs can broadbrush a country negatively then they should not complain when others are broad brushed negatively too.
People call them bhakt for a reason. Calling a woman *hore just because she criticized a campaign is more than just mocking.

It is the live example of intolerance we are talking about.
 
Indian constitution describes the nation as secular and socialist. If we are going to move towards capitalism, then it makes sense to move away from secularism too.
 
People call them bhakt for a reason. Calling a woman *hore just because she criticized a campaign is more than just mocking.

It is the live example of intolerance we are talking about.

I am asking why are you giving them labels? And why are you using a fringe group who are abusive to broad brush all modi supporters?
 
Indian constitution describes the nation as secular and socialist. If we are going to move towards capitalism, then it makes sense to move away from secularism too.

The Preamble has more than just Secular and Socialist.
Do we move away from Sovereignty, Democracy and the Republic too, while we are at it?
 
I am using the term bhakt for this fringe group only.

Oh, I thought you were talking about all Modi supporters. Agreed, fringe groups exist everywhere. That adds nothing to the discussion.

Most Modi supporters have valid arguments. They are against the duplicity and selective judgements.
 
The Preamble has more than just Secular and Socialist.
Do we move away from Sovereignty, Democracy and the Republic too, while we are at it?

An Italian born person controlling a puppet prime minister for 10 years. We were pseudo sovereign, democratic and a republic already. we are already crony capitalists, and pseudo secularists. Constitution is good enough to use as a tissue paper.
 
Just like AAPtards,Adarh Liberals,Congressii,Pandits,Gyanis,Mullahs,Kafirs,Kasai?
Most of these terms were invented by these bhakts.

I haven't seen more fanatic supporters than bhakts. You can actually have a logical conversation with a so called AAPtard or a congressi but never with a bhakt.

You raise a question regarding a Muslim person being killed and he will bring Aurangzeb in the argument.

They treat Modi as the incarnation of Vishnu.
 
Most of these terms were invented by these bhakts.

I haven't seen more fanatic supporters than bhakts. You can actually have a logical conversation with a so called AAPtard or a congressi but never with a bhakt.

You raise a question regarding a Muslim person being killed and he will bring Aurangzeb in the argument.

They treat Modi as the incarnation of Vishnu.

I am a so called bhakt. Give a try to have a logical talk with me.

Never saw even the most fanatic supporter to treat Modi as an incarnation of God. Where did you get that idea from?
 
Most of these terms were invented by these bhakts.

I haven't seen more fanatic supporters than bhakts. You can actually have a logical conversation with a so called AAPtard or a congressi but never with a bhakt.

You raise a question regarding a Muslim person being killed and he will bring Aurangzeb in the argument.

They treat Modi as the incarnation of Vishnu.

You are partially right but these terms were not invented by Bhakts also 'Bhakts' was invented by AAP supporters.There wouldn't be any Bhakt had liberals ruled properly for atleast 20 years don't you think?
 
You are partially right but these terms were not invented by Bhakts also 'Bhakts' was invented by AAP supporters.There wouldn't be any Bhakt had liberals ruled properly for atleast 20 years don't you think?

These are pseudo liberals. far away from the meaning of liberalism. They are very much like those they criticize. The self given label of liberals is just to secure a moral high ground, nothing else.
 
Oh, I thought you were talking about all Modi supporters. Agreed, fringe groups exist everywhere. That adds nothing to the discussion.

Most Modi supporters have valid arguments. They are against the duplicity and selective judgements.


They are against anything Modi.
 
You are partially right but these terms were not invented by Bhakts also 'Bhakts' was invented by AAP supporters.There wouldn't be any Bhakt had liberals ruled properly for atleast 20 years don't you think?
BJP came into power. People didn't think they did good enough job so they voted against them. Its their fault only.
 
I dont understand.Amir gave his opinion.Others are free to disagree with it and give theirs.Protests when non violent are allowed.
 
Was your view based on real life interactions or people you see in social media?

If you switch to Al Jazeera, they would be showing Syrian crisis and talking so normally that everything looks peaceful in the world. Change to any Indian channel, and you will hear hyper ventilating journalist trolls shouting in an echo chamber and you might think there is a war going on in India.
 
Wish Amir said something about the death threats being received by a Muslim malayali journalist after she exposed the child abuse going on in madarsas.
 
Was your view based on real life interactions or people you see in social media?
Many of my friends are Modi supporters and they come very close to the definition of a bhakt.

They are intelligent people and one of them is even an IPS officer but the moment they open their mouth you know they have been brainwashed.
 
If you switch to Al Jazeera, they would be showing Syrian crisis and talking so normally that everything looks peaceful in the world. Change to any Indian channel, and you will hear hyper ventilating journalist trolls shouting in an echo chamber and you might think there is a war going on in India.

That's bad but what is even worse is selective nature of such stories. Shiv Sena's recent ink attacks have got more media highlight than a mob of Muslims burning 200+ Hindu homes in 2013. Situation in Punjab or Manipur was so tense recently, but what they cared about more was Muslims being deprived of their beef.

Pathetic journalism.
 
BJP came into power. People didn't think they did good enough job so they voted against them. Its their fault only.

You must be kidding yourself if you think doing their job is what matters in India and gets you votes.In that logic people selecting Congress again and again inspite of not doing their job sounds illogical.
 
Many of my friends are Modi supporters and they come very close to the definition of a bhakt.

They are intelligent people and one of them is even an IPS officer but the moment they open their mouth you know they have been brainwashed.

If many of your intelligent friends are saying the same thing, maybe the problem lies with you.
 
Treating minority equally and kissing minority @rse are two different things, and Indians really need to learn the difference between two.
 
Many of my friends are normal people and they said Amir Khan is wrong and mostly lying using his wife's name, these includes Non-Hindu's as well.
 
You must be kidding yourself if you think doing their job is what matters in India and gets you votes.In that logic people selecting Congress again and again inspite of not doing their job sounds illogical.
So why did the same people threw Congress out this time?

I am no congress defender but if people went to them after giving Vajpayee a chance and even reelected them they must have done something right.

btw what gives you the right to ridicule the intelligence of those voters?
 
So why did the same people threw Congress out this time?

I am no congress defender but if people went to them after giving Vajpayee a chance and even reelected them they must have done something right.

btw what gives you the right to ridicule the intelligence of those voters?

Vajpayee lost because they changed their alliance with DMK and DMK won 40 seats on TN.No other reason basically.Caste,religion,region are the various reasons people vote.
 
Treating minority equally and kissing minority @rse are two different things, and Indians really need to learn the difference between two.

What makes you think you know better than the Indians you are talking about?
 
What makes you think you know better than the Indians you are talking about?

Indian constitution says that. All citizens and religions have to be treated equal.

Be it media or Shiv Sena, anyone who deviates from this expectation is going wrong.
 
Vajpayee lost because they changed their alliance with DMK and DMK won 40 seats on TN.No other reason basically.Caste,religion,region are the various reasons people vote.

You have to add Andhra as well..Con party won 40+ seats after CBN ignored rural areas in the quest to make Hyderbad mega city.
 
Indian constitution says that. All citizens and religions have to be treated equal.

Be it media or Shiv Sena, anyone who deviates from this expectation is going wrong.

Why don't Indians follow their own constitution then?
 
India is not going to be a tolerant or secular nation anymore. This division in the society is irreversible. Welcome to the new India.

Don't throw away that Bangladeshi passport just yet, you might have to go back :afridi
 
I am just curious why no one is asking Aamir why his wife is afraid? They are rich,live in posh apartments, have enough bodyguards..where is the issue? Also what about is ex-wife and other kids? they too face problems?
 
I haven't read his whole statement but seems he was just saying that his wife feels that ! He is just the messenger here.
Somebody ask his wife what problem is she facing .
When sunny Leone, poonam pandey like beautiful beings can live in this country peacefully then what problem kiran is facing ?
 
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