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"Aaqib Javed is a clown": Jason Gillespie

I find it incredible that Kirsten had no trouble managing the dressing room of the likes of Zaheer, Yuvraj, Harbhajan, Dhoni, Sehwag, Tendulkar and Gambhir at their peaks. Some of these guys are no angels, they were troublemakers but the team was united under him and everybody loved him, but was unable to manage the Pakistan NT dressing room.

He's a top class man manager, there must be some insane politicking in that Pakistani dressing room.
 
Unleashed said:
I find it incredible that Kirsten had no trouble managing the dressing room of the likes of Zaheer, Yuvraj, Harbhajan, Dhoni, Sehwag, Tendulkar and Gambhir at their peaks. Some of these guys are no angels, they were troublemakers but the team was united under him and everybody loved him, but was unable to manage the Pakistan NT dressing room.

He's a top class man manager, there must be some insane politicking in that Pakistani dressing room.
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Who told you Kirsten was unable to manage Pakistan NT?
 
Savak said:
Lazy attitude, even Wasim, Waqar didn't speak english fluently or that great early on in their careers but they were willing to get out of their comfort zones and change themselves for the better. Besides Pakistani players have been playing international cricket for a good 5-6 years, that is more than enough to learn the English Language
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These are diffrent breed of players wrapped in a cotton wool it's not 90's where few failures and your dropped for someone else, the reason why work ethic is 0

I'm all down with coaches like Gary and Jason and they are really good coaches but they are 0 benefit to a team like Pakistan

Just imagine fitting 19 inch sparkling ferrari rims on a suzuki mehran it's going to be disaster

You first need to change mindset of these players, are these players even worth of coaches like Gary and Jason

Based on the mentality of the Pakistanis you need someone who understands their mentality therefore a desi coach is best suited who can give them a danda now and again

Dropping babar and rizwan in t20 is a lesson to them I can assure you no foreign coach would have dropped them and they would have just taken the foreign coach for a ride and the masoom foreign coach will just fall for their rubbish
 
Sachin fan said:
That's true for foreign coaches too. Gary never won anything playing for south africa but helped india win a world cup. Most great coaches in all sports were average players themselves.
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Coaches are there to guide, but it's ultimately up to the players to put in the effort. Indian players approach every game with a mission to win, giving their all. In contrast, Pakistani players often see it as either a win or a learn experience, lacking the same level of determination.

People who believe that a coach alone wins games and keep demanding a specific coach or calling for a coach to be sacked, without holding the players accountable, have no clue what they're talking about.
 
hoshiarpurexpress said:
A gora abuses a brown guy.. I will take side of the brown guy.
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I still choose the side of truth

I believe Gillespie is entitled to feel how he does about Aqib. I don’t agree with venting it out in public like this

Also, I don’t think he is right about Aqib’s involvement in removing Kirsten. That’s a separate issue. Aqib most likely was heavily influential in curtailing the powers of Gillespie however.
 
BouncerGuy said:
Gary spitting facts and reaction against him was expected.. Aaqib created this mess but people started praising him after Pakistan won test at home but kept losing away games badly.

Aqqib is just another power hungry individual IMO. The way he is selecting people in team is quite shocking and what is even more shocking how he is defending his selections.
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Which games has Pakistan lost badly away? They defeated Australia, South Africa, and Zimbabwe in ODIs.

Yes, they lost Test matches, but that was expected Pakistan has been losing Tests in these countries for over 20 years. It's not like they were winning before and Aqib came in and ruined everything.

Meanwhile, they managed to beat England at home after a long time.

West indies was a disaster but it was a drawn series not even a lost series

In CT25 Pakistan were never going to beat India in dubai and newzealand Is a much stronger team and it was on the cards also the team had its 2 best players missing
 
IMMY69 said:
Just out of interest, can anyone tell me who was the coach when Pakistan beat England in the test series at home and the ODI series away to the Aussies?
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It was Gillespie but his role has largely been made redundant. He even referred to himself as match day strategist because he wasn't able to do anything else.
 
Rana said:
How though? Shaz and I are strong admirers of Gary Kirsten. We would never advocate for Aqib over G Kirsten.
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And yet your aqib worked against Kirstein, and you support that.

For you aqib > world cup winning coach
 
IMMY69 said:
You continue to make it a Rizwan issue... I couldn't care less about Rizwan..

I only care about Pakistsn Cricket.

We've always had golden periods upto now, Bob Woolmer and even under Mickey Arthur... but in the end any coach and the successful players under their authority end up in the same way...

The different now is the everything is coming home to roost and our ability to produce a few players that keep us competitive/winning (albeit in an inconsistent) manner are dwindling.
I suspect, and I've said this many times, that the various leagues is the death nail. When you have players like Amir. Shaheen, Shadab, Rauf and a host of others sacrificing first class cricket to earn money in franchise cricket then you're heading down a slippery road...

Nothing is going to change other then the death of our cricket until and unless there is a fundamental change to our system.
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You should care about individuals who prevent the growth of Pakistan cricket, though I am willing to concede that those who empower such players, are equally responsible, whether it’s the management or the fans. Wishing for fundamental changes is like expecting Imran Khan to be released magically from prison or for the nation as a whole to make a recovery from being a failed state. I will even go as far as to say that Misbah tried his best in limited overs, it wasn’t that he didn’t try, he was just an extremely delusional individual and had dated ideas which plague us to this day; on the other hand, this lot, no effort whatsoever and only wish to perform for themselves and their artificial stats.

I disagree that we don’t have the players or that they cannot be improved, we previously achieved success because, despite the system, we strived to play modern cricket. To be able to get the most out of yourself, don’t you think some self reflection is needed and being mature enough to listen to your coaches such as Kirsten. If you think this is the best version of Pakistan you’ve seen then I think you’ve been blinded by the likes of Rizwan and Babar, I was one of them, but not anymore.

Let me remind you how we kept Fakhar Zaman out the team and previously had him batting at no.4 in T20’s, the one player who kept you afloat in ODI’s was mistreated and this is just one example, it should make you ponder whether this team is the best we have. And I love to use the example of Azhar Ali who am sure is probably the sort of personality/player you like, was he more talented than Babar Azam ? Many always recall Fakhar’s knock in the CT 17 final, but was it not for Azhar’s desire/passion in the first 10 overs, Fakhar would not have been able to play the knock he did. This lot have no passion, are mentally weak cowards and are too stubborn to even attempt to make some adjustments in the way they play.

When you empower a selfish Kliq, encourage mediocrity, selections based on friendships and give your leaders enough powers to veto your coach; how can we say this is the best version of Pakistan possible that we can prepare for ICC tournaments ?

I suggest you dig out Kirsten’s interview after the T20 WC debacle - at least listen to the Gorah, and we’ve been raising these issues for 18 months - how we do in tournies is so predictable, some PPers for much longer then me have been vocal. And now, the same results have been repeated, to ignore what has happened within the team, creates a free pass for the individuals responsible to make a comeback and it also puts any fresh endeavour under immense pressure, I hope we are more open to giving any new crop / fresh coat of paint as much leeway as we have Rizwan/Babar & friends.
 
daytrader said:
But it's certainly a decision you agree with. It obviously doesn't make sense since T20s are Rizwan's best format - just goes to show the extent of the rift
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Even the biggest Rizwan numpties are aware of what his best format is 🤡, if you’re going to put him over, at least have the minimum level of intelligence which is the ceiling for his flock.
 
shaz619 said:
Even the biggest Rizwan numpties are aware of what his best format is 🤡, if you’re going to put him over, at least have the minimum level of intelligence which is the ceiling for his flock.
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So please enlighten us with your higher intelligence. What is Rizwan's best format??
 
Justcrazy said:
This is the true picture of ex cricketers in Pakistan. You keep bring them back , you will continue the same results. They will prevent pakistan cricket from moving forward.
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Ex Cricketers of Pakistan most of them look for a job in PCB that can earn them money. Thats their primary goal. Betterment of cricket takes a back seat in front of Individual interests
 
He has made a valid point though

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Unedifying statements from Jason G who appears to have lost his civility and his sense. Aquib coming across as the bigger, thoughtful individual.
 
Usman Chadda said:
Well done to the PCB for effectively shutting the door on any foreign coach moving forward. The way they treated Mickey already made this things difficult before, but now it’s just done for.

That too for a clown like Aqib.
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Aaqib had said something against Imran Khan and the clown above him rewarded him. Both clowns have turned Pakistan cricket into a circus .
 
Aaqib is getting the heat now, he created the mess now better deal with it too...if JG and GK were incompetent then he should have left them to fail on their own
 
shaz619 said:
You should care about individuals who prevent the growth of Pakistan cricket, though I am willing to concede that those who empower such players, are equally responsible, whether it’s the management or the fans. Wishing for fundamental changes is like expecting Imran Khan to be released magically from prison or for the nation as a whole to make a recovery from being a failed state. I will even go as far as to say that Misbah tried his best in limited overs, it wasn’t that he didn’t try, he was just an extremely delusional individual and had dated ideas which plague us to this day; on the other hand, this lot, no effort whatsoever and only wish to perform for themselves and their artificial stats.

I disagree that we don’t have the players or that they cannot be improved, we previously achieved success because, despite the system, we strived to play modern cricket. To be able to get the most out of yourself, don’t you think some self reflection is needed and being mature enough to listen to your coaches such as Kirsten. If you think this is the best version of Pakistan you’ve seen then I think you’ve been blinded by the likes of Rizwan and Babar, I was one of them, but not anymore.

Let me remind you how we kept Fakhar Zaman out the team and previously had him batting at no.4 in T20’s, the one player who kept you afloat in ODI’s was mistreated and this is just one example, it should make you ponder whether this team is the best we have. And I love to use the example of Azhar Ali who am sure is probably the sort of personality/player you like, was he more talented than Babar Azam ? Many always recall Fakhar’s knock in the CT 17 final, but was it not for Azhar’s desire/passion in the first 10 overs, Fakhar would not have been able to play the knock he did. This lot have no passion, are mentally weak cowards and are too stubborn to even attempt to make some adjustments in the way they play.

When you empower a selfish Kliq, encourage mediocrity, selections based on friendships and give your leaders enough powers to veto your coach; how can we say this is the best version of Pakistan possible that we can prepare for ICC tournaments ?

I suggest you dig out Kirsten’s interview after the T20 WC debacle - at least listen to the Gorah, and we’ve been raising these issues for 18 months - how we do in tournies is so predictable, some PPers for much longer then me have been vocal. And now, the same results have been repeated, to ignore what has happened within the team, creates a free pass for the individuals responsible to make a comeback and it also puts any fresh endeavour under immense pressure, I hope we are more open to giving any new crop / fresh coat of paint as much leeway as we have Rizwan/Babar & friends.
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No No I don't think this is the best version we have.
I have always maintained that for T20's we should have a young team with a young captain at the the helm.
If we had youngsters playing since the last 6-7 years with a young captain during all the useless Bi-Laterals we would pretty much have an experience squad of players to pick from by now, and most of them would be around 25 years old and at their peak.

We should have gone down this route after the 2022 world cup and certainly after the 2024 World Cup but alas we have these 'stars' that are "ALLOWED" to hold the game at ransom.

But picking young talent for T20's and even ODI Bilaterals will only work when you have the right people at the helm and you will only get the right people when you appoint them on merit rather then those with connections.
 
IMMY69 said:
If we had youngsters playing since the last 6-7 years with a young captain during all the useless Bi-Laterals we would pretty much have an experience squad of players to pick from by now, and most of them would be around 25 years old and at their peak.
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Wah jee Wah

You have gone to war with me for the past 5-6 years when I kept telling you people that Pakistan cricket is on the wrong track especially with the RizBar stranglehold, and you have been one of those who kept on arguing those two are Pakistan’s best players and they are entitled to play the most overs wherever they want blah blah blah. Why are you washing your hands from it now that it’s pretty clear that it was all stupidity?
 
There was one Hav Band Master claiming for Aaqib Javed Appreciation, surely now Aaqib has got a big task to revamp Pakistan team and without RizBar out there are no more scapegoats to lay blame on.

Its all Aqib now with Gillespie also vindication the manipulation Aaqib did.
 
Rana said:
Wah jee Wah

You have gone to war with me for the past 5-6 years when I kept telling you people that Pakistan cricket is on the wrong track especially with the RizBar stranglehold, and you have been one of those who kept on arguing those two are Pakistan’s best players and they are entitled to play the most overs wherever they want blah blah blah. Why are you washing your hands from it now that it’s pretty clear that it was all stupidity?
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If you are going to select the players that we have been selecting then, and this is only my opinion, Babar & Rizwan do make the side. However, and this would be my ideal scenario, if you are going to pick a squad of youngsters and stick with them then neither of these two make the squad let alone the team. I only get riled up when people compare ceetin players to others. It shouldn't be that way.
 
Savak said:
These Gary Kirsten threads clearly show the desperate brown nosery of Pakistani's in general where they will blindly believe a gora and let them walk over them just because of the skin colour.

It is pretty clear Kirsten was not fully committed to his Pakistani role and thought he could treat it as a part time gig with full powers and authority. PCB took his selection powers after he did not meet his end of the bargain i.e. spend time in Pakistan, checking the players in domestic cricket, academies and the PCB rightfully told him how can you select the players when you haven't put in the time, effort to understand the players and work on them in the circuit. Then Kirsten started throwing demands on wanting his own expensive foreign staff where the contract he signed with the PCB stated that he would help the PCB develop the local coaches and staff.

Plus lets be honest, Kirsten's selections were far from impressive, he was against resting Babar and some other senior players for the tour of Zimbabwe, he apparently wanted Mohd Haris as the captain in the T-20 format.

Very good on the PCB for telling him to take a hike once they figured he is not taking the job seriously.
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Savak said:
Mohsin Naqvi got rid of Kirsten and Gillespie for a few short term failure, but Aqib has been rewarded for mediocrity.
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When do we define what suits your agenda?
 
Any foreigner that agrees for the PCT coach job is basically out of a job and unable to land one either.

Either way, you are all naive if you think a coach, of any color, is the reason why PCT sucks. Your issues go much deeper than who the coach is.
 
Lol.

The truth is these players want local coaches only because they don't want professionalism and discipline.

They don't want to hear things about "improving their technique" or "aggressive approach in Power Play".

They want to be patted on the back for being a cricketer and local coaches offer this.

A foreigner tells such entitled players to "take a hike".

Language excuse has run its course.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
Lol.

The truth is these players want local coaches only because they don't want professionalism and discipline.

They don't want to hear things about "improving their technique" or "aggressive approach in Power Play".

They want to be patted on the back for being a cricketer and local coaches offer this.

A foreigner tells such entitled players to "take a hike".

Language excuse has run its course.
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Then why did Naqvi pay all the big dollars and not back the coaches. He didn't allow these guys to do their job. As I have said many times the problem runs much deeper than the players or coaches. This is a structural problem and unless we change our board and the FC cricket, we will soon be fighting to qualify for WCs.
 
'PCB Need To Take Responsibility Too': Jason Gillespie Slams Aaqib Javed, PCB For State Of Pakistan Cricket

Pakistan’s former red-ball head coach, Jason Gillespie has said that interim head coach, Aaqib Javed and the national selectors should take the responsibility for the team’s poor performance in the ICC Champions Trophy.

Hosts Pakistan were eliminated prematurely after losing their group games in the marquee tournament to New Zealand and India.

“We saw the results were not good enough. Ultimately he (Aaqib) has to bear the responsibility. He wanted complete control (of the affairs of the team) and he got it. The national selectors also have a lot of responsibility to take for the squad they picked to play in the tournament," said Gillespie, the former Australian pace bowler, in conversation with Pakistani cricket content creator Saj Sadiq.

Gillespie added that he always felt something was going on behind the scenes in Pakistan cricket when he was the head coach.

“I always felt there were things going on behind the scenes I was not aware of. And it didn’t surprise me when he (Aaqib) was announced as interim coach," Gillespie said in a video posted on social media.

“In my opinion it (Aaqib’s appointment) was always on the cards that this was going to happen. You can read into it as you want," he added.

Gillespie blamed Aaqib for undermining him and white-ball coach Gary Kirsten.

“He made it clear he wanted to be chief selector and he made it clear how he wanted the team to go about their work. He wanted complete control and he got it."

The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) had signed Gillespie and Kirsten as head coaches on two-year contracts. But within 6-8 months of the duo being hired, relations between the foreign coaches and PCB soured following the appointment of a new selection committee of which Aaqib is a senior selector along with Azhar Ali, Asaad Shafiq, Aleem Dar and Hasan Cheema.


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'PCB Need To Take Responsibility Too': Jason Gillespie Slams Aaqib Javed, PCB For State Of Pakistan Cricket - News18

Gillespie added that he always felt something was going on behind the scenes in Pakistan cricket when he was the head coach.
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Cricket Warrior said:
'PCB Need To Take Responsibility Too': Jason Gillespie Slams Aaqib Javed, PCB For State Of Pakistan Cricket

Pakistan’s former red-ball head coach, Jason Gillespie has said that interim head coach, Aaqib Javed and the national selectors should take the responsibility for the team’s poor performance in the ICC Champions Trophy.

Hosts Pakistan were eliminated prematurely after losing their group games in the marquee tournament to New Zealand and India.

“We saw the results were not good enough. Ultimately he (Aaqib) has to bear the responsibility. He wanted complete control (of the affairs of the team) and he got it. The national selectors also have a lot of responsibility to take for the squad they picked to play in the tournament," said Gillespie, the former Australian pace bowler, in conversation with Pakistani cricket content creator Saj Sadiq.

Gillespie added that he always felt something was going on behind the scenes in Pakistan cricket when he was the head coach.

“I always felt there were things going on behind the scenes I was not aware of. And it didn’t surprise me when he (Aaqib) was announced as interim coach," Gillespie said in a video posted on social media.

“In my opinion it (Aaqib’s appointment) was always on the cards that this was going to happen. You can read into it as you want," he added.

Gillespie blamed Aaqib for undermining him and white-ball coach Gary Kirsten.

“He made it clear he wanted to be chief selector and he made it clear how he wanted the team to go about their work. He wanted complete control and he got it."

The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) had signed Gillespie and Kirsten as head coaches on two-year contracts. But within 6-8 months of the duo being hired, relations between the foreign coaches and PCB soured following the appointment of a new selection committee of which Aaqib is a senior selector along with Azhar Ali, Asaad Shafiq, Aleem Dar and Hasan Cheema.


www.news18.com

'PCB Need To Take Responsibility Too': Jason Gillespie Slams Aaqib Javed, PCB For State Of Pakistan Cricket - News18

Gillespie added that he always felt something was going on behind the scenes in Pakistan cricket when he was the head coach.
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In Pakistan they don't come to power to take responsibility , they come to enjoy power and the corruption . Double the power , double the corruption .
 
daytrader said:
It wasn't a conflict of interest it was a 'perceived conflict of interest' - which imo is bad but not as bad as a direct conflict of interest. The time line and chain of events do not portray Misbah as the mastermind behind Mickey's ouster. No one knew who the coach was going to be once Mickey was booted.
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You are purposely trying to obfuscate the issue but this does not surprise me one bit. You prove my point yet again with your lack of sincerity.

Misbah was in the committee and went behind Mickey's back to oust him and then took his job for himself. It's conflict of interest and there's no two ways about it.

daytrader said:
Secondly, giving an honest opinion doesn't make one a bad guy. Both Wasim Akram and Misbah gave their honest opinion and Wasim Khan was the one who decided. I'm not going after Wasim Akram, I'm going after your stance of solely blaming Misbah, there's a difference. I'm giving credit to Wasim for being honest then, can you do the same for Misbah??
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Honest?! You are anything but honest. A few examples of this come to mind:
  • You are incapable of properly admitting that Misbah's conflict of interest
  • You think Joginder Sharma had a more impactful career than Shoaib Akhtar
  • You claimed Rizwan's 31 off 44 balls against India in last year's WT20 "an effective innings"
  • You are the only poster I know who rates Misbah's substandard innings during the 2011 World Cup Semi-Final against India
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As for legends, imo Misbah is also a legend but it doesn't stop you from disrespecting him in every post. I'm at least more reasonable and give credit where it's due without turning a blind eye to their faults. YK is a our greatest test batter, Wasim our best bowler ever - Shoaib Akhtar though is just a legend on youtube
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Let's get it right. Misbah is YOUR legend.

I don't know if you remember there was a poll on PP, just prior to Misbah's appointment after the 2019 World Cup, asking posters whether they approve of him as Pakistan's Coach (and Chief Selector). Over 80% were against it. If you were to do the same poll today, I reckon it would be around 95%. So what does that tell us about you and Misbah?
 
topspin said:
You are purposely trying to obfuscate the issue but this does not surprise me one bit. You prove my point yet again with your lack of sincerity.

Misbah was in the committee and went behind Mickey's back to oust him and then took his job for himself. It's conflict of interest and there's no two ways about it.
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It's not my fault if you can't understand different lines of reasoning.

Let me simplify for you - it wasn't an actual conflict of interest. You can portray it as one, but that's just your opinion. You can't prove the conflict according to any standards that defines what actual 'conflict of interests' are.

Please don't bring my sincerity into question if you can't understand the basis of the argument.

topspin said:
Honest?! You are anything but honest.
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I try my best to always tell the truth but my comment wasn't about me. It was about Misbah and Wasim being honest in their assessment of Mickey's tenure. Again, you didn't understand and jumped the gun to portray me in a bad light. That my friend, is why your sincerity is always questionable.

Both Misbah and Wasim are on record stating that they gave their honest opinions.

“I have played for Pakistan and I serve Pakistan cricket in some capacity or the other, so when I was asked to join the committee to decide about the head coach I gave my honest opinion,” Wasim Akram

“As a member of the cricket committee we gave our honest opinion. I had good relations with Mickey. Good relations are always there and will remain there.” - Misbah ul Haq.

In fact even Mickey Arthur said he didn't harbor any feelings of bitterness and that he was disappointed not to continue because he loved the job. According to him 'It wasn't a sacking by any means' and that "I was certainly given a chance, I was certainly given a grilling, I was certainly asked a lot of questions" and that "ultimately Misbah will do a good job, Misbah is a good guy and Pakistan cricket made their decision. I was disappointed because I loved every second of that job."

Mickey was hurt but not as hurt as you are till date.

topspin said:
You are incapable of properly admitting that Misbah's conflict of interest
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And you're incapable of proving there was a conflict of interest. I presented my arguments in the above paragraph - let's hear yours about how it was a conflict of interest. Do you have anything to add other than Misbah was on the committee? Btw that committee, aside from Misbah and Wasim Akram also had Wasim Khan, Urooj Mumtaz, Haroon Rasheed, Zakir Khan and Mudassar Nazar.

topspin said:
You think Joginder Sharma had a more impactful career than Shoaib Akhtar
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It's really a shame to our nation that a mere policeman, who only played 4 T20 internationals, had more of an impact on the overall game than one our so called greatest bowler. Yea people might not remember his name but you can't deny Sharma's role in history to help India win a WC which eventually led to the creation of the IPL.

On the other hand what has Shoaib Akhtar done aside from making a cricket club and a youtube channel

topspin said:
You claimed Rizwan's 31 off 44 balls against India in last year's WT20 "an effective innings"
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Ah.. back to this. You didn't answer my post when I asked you if we were in a winning position after Rizwan's dismissal in that game. You get another chance

topspin said:
You are the only poster I know who rates Misbah's substandard innings during the 2011 World Cup Semi-Final against India
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It's an easy way out for you to scapegoat one player. It wasn't his best innings but let's not forget the failure of others around him. That game should've been in the bag, if only our hitters had played according to their roles. Also you blame Misbah but not your favourite Younis Khan who played even slower. Why the double standards?

topspin said:
Let's get it right. Misbah is YOUR legend.

I don't know if you remember there was a poll on PP, just prior to Misbah's appointment after the 2019 World Cup, asking posters whether they approve of him as Pakistan's Coach (and Chief Selector). Over 80% were against it. If you were to do the same poll today, I reckon it would be around 95%. So what does that tell us about you and Misbah?
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Misbah is a legend. Don't forget he was just inducted into the PCB hall of fame. It really doesn't matter what keyboard warriors think
 
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topspin said:
You are purposely trying to obfuscate the issue but this does not surprise me one bit. You prove my point yet again with your lack of sincerity.

Misbah was in the committee and went behind Mickey's back to oust him and then took his job for himself. It's conflict of interest and there's no two ways about it.



Honest?! You are anything but honest. A few examples of this come to mind:
  • You are incapable of properly admitting that Misbah's conflict of interest
  • You think Joginder Sharma had a more impactful career than Shoaib Akhtar
  • You claimed Rizwan's 31 off 44 balls against India in last year's WT20 "an effective innings"
  • You are the only poster I know who rates Misbah's substandard innings during the 2011 World Cup Semi-Final against India


Let's get it right. Misbah is YOUR legend.

I don't know if you remember there was a poll on PP, just prior to Misbah's appointment after the 2019 World Cup, asking posters whether they approve of him as Pakistan's Coach (and Chief Selector). Over 80% were against it. If you were to do the same poll today, I reckon it would be around 95%. So what does that tell us about you and Misbah?
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Don't know why Mickey is being discussed here. Gillespie and Kirsten were left no choice but to resign from their posts with an active contract (only months into their tenure) while Mickey's contract simply expired after 3 years and PCB chose to not renew it which happens all over the world. Mickey wasn't fired.
 
daytrader said:
Let me simplify for you - it wasn't an actual conflict of interest. You can portray it as one, but that's just your opinion. You can't prove the conflict according to any standards that defines what actual 'conflict of interests' are.

Please don't bring my sincerity into question if you can't understand the basis of the argument.



I try my best to always tell the truth but my comment wasn't about me. It was about Misbah and Wasim being honest in their assessment of Mickey's tenure. Again, you didn't understand and jumped the gun to portray me in a bad light. That my friend, is why your sincerity is always questionable.

Both Misbah and Wasim are on record stating that they gave their honest opinions.

“I have played for Pakistan and I serve Pakistan cricket in some capacity or the other, so when I was asked to join the committee to decide about the head coach I gave my honest opinion,” Wasim Akram

“As a member of the cricket committee we gave our honest opinion. I had good relations with Mickey. Good relations are always there and will remain there.” - Misbah ul Haq.

In fact even Mickey Arthur said he didn't harbor any feelings of bitterness and that he was disappointed not to continue because he loved the job. According to him 'It wasn't a sacking by any means' and that "I was certainly given a chance, I was certainly given a grilling, I was certainly asked a lot of questions" and that "ultimately Misbah will do a good job, Misbah is a good guy and Pakistan cricket made their decision. I was disappointed because I loved every second of that job."

Mickey was hurt but not as hurt as you are till date.



And you're incapable of proving there was a conflict of interest. I presented my arguments in the above paragraph - let's hear yours about how it was a conflict of interest. Do you have anything to add other than Misbah was on the committee? Btw that committee, aside from Misbah and Wasim Akram also had Wasim Khan, Urooj Mumtaz, Haroon Rasheed, Zakir Khan and Mudassar Nazar.



It's really a shame to our nation that a mere policeman, who only played 4 T20 internationals, had more of an impact on the overall game than one our so called greatest bowler. Yea people might not remember his name but you can't deny Sharma's role in history to help India win a WC which eventually led to the creation of the IPL.

On the other hand what has Shoaib Akhtar done aside from making a cricket club and a youtube channel



Ah.. back to this. You didn't answer my post when I asked you if we were in a winning position after Rizwan's dismissal in that game. You get another chance



It's an easy way out for you to scapegoat one player. It wasn't his best innings but let's not forget the failure of others around him. That game should've been in the bag, if only our hitters had played according to their roles. Also you blame Misbah but not your favourite Younis Khan who played even slower. Why the double standards?



Misbah is a legend. Don't forget he was just inducted into the PCB hall of fame. It really doesn't matter what keyboard warriors think
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Who is Joginder? I had to look him up.

Shoaib is remembered for jump starting a series of fast bowlers and revolutionize the art of fast bowling.

His Dravid and Sachin dismissal was a thing to behold and people view those deliveries all the time as he perfected this art.

For all his faults, Shoaib was an icon.

Joginder is the guy who washes windows next to my apartment.
 
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Poor Jogi bhai getting hate for no reason, guy retired with respect and became a policeman , serving his country in every field.
Not saying he is better than Shoaib, but gave his everything.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
Who is Joginder? I had to look him up.

Shoaib is remembered for jump starting a series of fast bowlers and revolutionize the art of fast bowling.

His Dravid and Sachin dismissal was a thing to behold and people view those deliveries all the time as he perfected this art.

For all his faults, Shoaib was an icon.

Joginder is the guy who washes windows next to my apartment.
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Where's the revolution? Name one current Pakistani pacer that Shoaib inspired. In fact let's extend that to World cricket.

Shoaib has a youtube channel and probably promotes his own clips. People view such clips all the time, it's a favourite time pass for many. In fact, I'm certain @topspin watches Joginder dismiss Misbah every night before going to bed.

Shoaib has a youtube channel and probably promotes his own clips.
 
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The long list of fast bowlers(150 kph) inspired by Shoaib Akhtar are

1. Muhammad Talha

2. ????

3. ?????

4. ????

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Reality is Akhtar inspires are non existent
 
topspin said:
Completely agree. He had the foresight to envisage what would unfold with the RizBar opening pair.

The guy calling him a clown doesn't realise he holds the record for the worst take on PP - "Misbah is a better ODI batsman than Inzamam in ODIs".
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I’m sorry but I still do not buy this nonsense that Rizbar are the root of all evils in Pakistan Cricket.

Our issues are much deeper than that related to mental conditioning, coaching and mentorship standards and a robust professional grass root system that produces professional cricketers. Not to mention PCB’s own lack of professionalism and instability.

It is like blaming Shehbaz Sharif for our economic and security challenges…

I still think we have a better team than our results show. This CT would have been significantly different had Saim and Fakhar not been injured with a possible run to the Final. My stance has not changed on that…

Now with regards to Gillespie and Kirsten. They need to be held accountable for our team woes too.

Kirsten’s T20 team lost to USA despite having Shaheen, Naseem and Amir and lost to India chasing 119. Sorry but you totally failed and should have been more proactive in pushing for players best suites for those conditions…

Gillespie Test team lost to to an innings defeat after scoring 558 lol. And then we get hammered 0-2 to Bangladesh at home after having them 26-6. Totally crazy stuff so goodbye and good riddance…

These are cold hard facts people need to listen understand.

@Major
@mominsaigol
@Rana
@topspin
@DeadlyVenom
@Pakpak
@BouncerGuy
 
Thread is not about Shoaib akhtar and his legacy or Misbah ul Haq. I will remove these kind of irrelevant posts from this thread
 
msb314 said:
I’m sorry but I still do not buy this nonsense that Rizbar are the root of all evils in Pakistan Cricket.

Our issues are much deeper than that related to mental conditioning, coaching and mentorship standards and a robust professional grass root system that produces professional cricketers. Not to mention PCB’s own lack of professionalism and instability.

It is like blaming Shehbaz Sharif for our economic and security challenges…

I still think we have a better team than our results show. This CT would have been significantly different had Saim and Fakhar not been injured with a possible run to the Final. My stance has not changed on that…

Now with regards to Gillespie and Kirsten. They need to be held accountable for our team woes too.

Kirsten’s T20 team lost to USA despite having Shaheen, Naseem and Amir and lost to India chasing 119. Sorry but you totally failed and should have been more proactive in pushing for players best suites for those conditions…

Gillespie Test team lost to to an innings defeat after scoring 558 lol. And then we get hammered 0-2 to Bangladesh at home after having them 26-6. Totally crazy stuff so goodbye and good riddance…

These are cold hard facts people need to listen understand.

@Major
@mominsaigol
@Rana
@topspin
@DeadlyVenom
@Pakpak
@BouncerGuy
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What you said was interesting until you mentioned we'd have gone to the final with saim and fakhar.

If your entire batting unit relies on 2 individuals then you don't deserve to play a final.

To.top it off bowling was rubbish. No one asked Pakistan to concede 350 against NZ
 
mominsaigol said:
What you said was interesting until you mentioned we'd have gone to the final with saim and fakhar.

If your entire batting unit relies on 2 individuals then you don't deserve to play a final.

To.top it off bowling was rubbish. No one asked Pakistan to concede 350 against NZ
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That game was totally a 330 pitch so I wouldn’t be too harsh on our bowlers..

We lost that game being 22-2 in the PP lol. Which goes back to my point about how our CT campaign could have been vastly different if we had a fit and firing Fakhar and Saim as openers..
 
mominsaigol said:
What you said was interesting until you mentioned we'd have gone to the final with saim and fakhar.

If your entire batting unit relies on 2 individuals then you don't deserve to play a final.

To.top it off bowling was rubbish. No one asked Pakistan to concede 350 against NZ
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It's true though. This was not our best team. Same as Australia missing their pacers, can we really blame Steven Smith?
 
msb314 said:
That game was totally a 330 pitch so I wouldn’t be too harsh on our bowlers..

We lost that game being 22-2 in the PP lol. Which goes back to my point about how our CT campaign could have been vastly different if we had a fit and firing Fakhar and Saim as openers..
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And im.telling you if your entire batting unit is dependent on only 2 people then you have a huge problem.

These boys aren't youngsters. If someone like warmer or travis got injured and were replaced qith same konstas who failed, no one would mind cause he's a young 19 year old with zero experience.

Imam, Saud, Babar, Rizwan

^^ Your top 4 are professional cricketers who have dozens of games under their belt and in babar and rizwan's case, these 2 are hailed as some sort of goat odi batters and goat cricket players.

Your entire system × the philosophy that Babar and rizwan and to an extent aqib are creating is flawed. Saim and fakhar are outliers and even then Pakistan hasn't made an effort to push them forward.

If anything fakhar was sidelined for Babar and rizwan in t20, and sidelined temporarily for Abdullah in odi.

Similarly saim was sidelined to no 3 and no 4 by Babar and rizwan and dropped from t20 by aqib.

These 2 got lucky that the likes of Abdullah, Rizwan and babar are so bad that even the biased and corrupt managment team has to eventually bow down to public pressure and bring these 2 back over and over to save face.
 
daytrader said:
It's true though. This was not our best team. Same as Australia missing their pacers, can we really blame Steven Smith?
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No one on the planet is blaming Steven Smith. Literally no one. If anything it's crazy what they've pulled of.

Dominated their way into semi's, and gave India a hellish time. They gave India a fight for their lives and made them earn us run. Even NZ who are at full strength folded. All this despite being new to uae conditons as they haven't played here for years. And that too with most of these players like travis head not having any experience on such pitches.

However the whole team is not dependent on Travis Head. He's their X factor but bit their solo operator. Australia reached semi's in wc 2023 wouthout head and they managed to draw 4th test In BGT and win the 5th test in BGT without head.

Look at the way Labu, Steve smith, Short, Inglis amd carey play odi cricket. Seriously how is Labu and a 36 year old smith faster then Babar the king in his prime?

Australia punched > their weight. Only Cooper connely and maxwell did not contribute. Everyone else punched >.

Pakistan on the other hand? Not so much. Infact it's embarrassing.

Pakistan is at full strength excluding fakhar and saim aka 2 players who weren't even in contention for CT.

The management team including Aqib wanted saim gone but fakhar's shadow ban and shabzada farhan's rubbish form forced saim to come back and he performed in aud and sa

And fakhar wasn't in contention to come back. Abdullah's horrible duck troubles + saim's injury forced fakhar to be reimstated
 
msb314 said:
I’m sorry but I still do not buy this nonsense that Rizbar are the root of all evils in Pakistan Cricket.
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I’m sorry but who’s here to convince you they are? You are allowed to live in denial like you have done for the past 5-6 years. Carry on.
 
Kianig89 said:
The long list of fast bowlers(150 kph) inspired by Shoaib Akhtar are

1. Muhammad Talha

2. ????

3. ?????

4. ????

------------------------------------

Reality is Akhtar inspires are non existent
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Well this is stupid isn’t it

Where are the 160kmh bowlers inspired by Brett Lee? It’s not Akhtar’s fault Pakistani youth just ain’t got it in them to become 155Kmh+ bowlers atm
 
msb314 said:
I’m sorry but I still do not buy this nonsense that Rizbar are the root of all evils in Pakistan Cricket.

Our issues are much deeper than that related to mental conditioning, coaching and mentorship standards and a robust professional grass root system that produces professional cricketers. Not to mention PCB’s own lack of professionalism and instability.

It is like blaming Shehbaz Sharif for our economic and security challenges…

I still think we have a better team than our results show. This CT would have been significantly different had Saim and Fakhar not been injured with a possible run to the Final. My stance has not changed on that…

Now with regards to Gillespie and Kirsten. They need to be held accountable for our team woes too.

Kirsten’s T20 team lost to USA despite having Shaheen, Naseem and Amir and lost to India chasing 119. Sorry but you totally failed and should have been more proactive in pushing for players best suites for those conditions…

Gillespie Test team lost to to an innings defeat after scoring 558 lol. And then we get hammered 0-2 to Bangladesh at home after having them 26-6. Totally crazy stuff so goodbye and good riddance…

These are cold hard facts people need to listen understand.

@Major
@mominsaigol
@Rana
@topspin
@DeadlyVenom
@Pakpak
@BouncerGuy
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They are in the limited formats
 
Legends inspire, they make you take up the game. It’s up to you to emulate through hard work and dedication.

Shoaib Akhtar inspired me to bowl fast, I used to copy his action but it’s not Shoaib’s fault that I couldn’t give up my once a week KfC meal. It’s not Shoaib’s fault that I just wasn’t built with the muscle and athleticism required to bowl like that. It’s not Shoaib’s fault that I was bowling 45mph floaters with his bowling action.

You either are built with that extra factor to be a 155kmh bowler or you are not. This is God gifted.
 
Rashid Latif during a media interaction:

"Jason Gillespie was referring to our system as a joke. I had a feeling that he would do this once he went back."

"The same power that caused the departure of Gary Kirsten and Gillespie has now been given to Aaqib Javed. We have made Aaqib Javed both the selector and the head coach."

"Foreign coaches do not compromise on principles."

"When I was the head coach of Afghanistan, the players respected the head coach like a father and tried to learn from him. Today, the results speak for themselves. In our system, players have become bigger than the game."
 
Rana said:
Well this is stupid isn’t it

Where are the 160kmh bowlers inspired by Brett Lee? It’s not Akhtar’s fault Pakistani youth just ain’t got it in them to become 155Kmh+ bowlers atm
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Here We Go!

Shaun Tait

Brad Williams

Mitchell Johnson

James Pattinson

Mitchell Starc

Pat Cummins

Billy Stanlake

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For today
Kianig 2-0 Rana
 
Kianig89 said:
Here We Go!

Shaun Tait

Brad Williams

Mitchell Johnson

James Pattinson

Mitchell Starc

Pat Cummins

Billy Stanlake

-------------------
For today
Kianig 2-0 Rana
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All of them besides Stanlake maybe were playing professional cricket when Brett Lee was an active cricketer

what a dumb list hahahahaha
 
Rana said:
@mominsaigol did Brett Lee inspire these bowlers or is once again caught spreading misinformation?
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This list doesn't even make any sense?

Why is pat Cummins here? His inspiration isn't even Brett Lee? He's stated multiple times that his favourite bowlers are people like Mcgrath, Bumrah, Hadlee due to the fact that values line and length and deadly accuracy over raw pace?

Brad williams made his List A, and first class debut before Brett lee 😭😭. He's older then Lee 🤣🤣, how can Brett lee inspire him?
 
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mominsaigol said:
This list doesn't even make any sense?

Why is pat Cummins here? His inspiration isn't even Brett Lee? He's stated multiple times that his favourite bowlers are people like Mcgrath, Bumrah, Hadlee due to the fact that values line and length and deadly accuracy over raw pace?

Brad williams made his List A, and first class debut before Brett lee 😭😭. He's older then Lee 🤣🤣, how can Brett lee inspire him?
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trying to find something credible to suggest Lee inspired Stanlake too :ROFLMAO:
 
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