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"Aaqib Javed is a clown": Jason Gillespie

Jason was the same coach who had played the all out pace attack against Bangladesh in pakistan .

People's are seriously think he is good coach? Lol

No other team will Make him Head coach because he didn't have any good CV.

But yes Gary is top quality coach .

:kp
We didn't lose those matches because of playing pacers. We lost because of our batsmen.

Developing strong pace bowling is the only way a test country becomes strong. It is a process that takes time.

Aqibs brainwave of employing uncles to become Muralis on raging turners will take our cricket backwards.
 
And @Rana was the biggest advocate of Aqib.

Just shows what a clown poster he is

The sheer hypocrisy!

You were the biggest advocate of Misbah, when he went behind Mickey Arthur's back and ousted him to take up his job for himself.

Just like how Aqib is far inferior to Gillespie and Kirsten, Misbah wasn't even fit to tie Mickey Arthur's shoelaces.

Aqib < Misbah

So you know what that means? You are an even bigger clown.
 
@Rana You were critical of the RizBabar opening duo long before anyone else saw the issues. The 80% of fans that @Major mentioned were laughing at that criticism are no longer laughing. The narrative on this forum has completely shifted, with the majority celebrating RizBabar’s axing yesterday. Maybe only 5% still disagree or find it amusing now.

Completely agree. He had the foresight to envisage what would unfold with the RizBar opening pair.

The guy calling him a clown doesn't realise he holds the record for the worst take on PP - "Misbah is a better ODI batsman than Inzamam in ODIs".
 
I certainly don't want to take a leaf out of Major's book with all his hypocrisy.

I called Misbah out for being a snake when he ousted Mickey Arthur, so I'm going to hold Aqib Javed to the same standards. This guy is another snake, who should be despised by Pakistan fans. I guess Misbah taught him well.

Well done to Misbah for setting another new precedent and low in Pakistan cricket.

First it was tuk-tuk then it became cake cutting then it was retiring in your mid-40s and now it's being a snake. 👏
 
No sane man will argue that Aqib Javed is better than either Kirsten or Gillespie, let alone both of them
There are a few here who will back even if its a mole that comes from their region... Pakistan team for a long time is a team of lahore greens and blues... they have destroyed many careers and will keep doing so for many many years to come..

Naqvi
Aaqib
Wahab
Yousuf
Agha
Shadab
next inline is Saqlain ( will be the head coach after NZL series)
 
Completely agree. He had the foresight to envisage what would unfold with the RizBar opening pair.

The guy calling him a clown doesn't realise he holds the record for the worst take on PP - "Misbah is a better ODI batsman than Inzamam in ODIs".
He had said Haryana Police ACP was more impactful bowler than Shoaib Akhtar
 
Firstly we tend to think just because someone is gora they are automatically better coaches.

I always thought Aquib could fit well as a coach. He actually went through the whole coaching certification path unlike a lot of popular subcontinent ex-players.

He coached Pakistan team and has been a permanent coach in PSL for Lahore from what I understand. He might have coached in some of the smaller leagues too.

So he does have a wealth of coaching experience for good or bad.

On top of that he was probably the only guy from the 90s whose name never pops up in fixing and other controversies. I didn’t expect him to be a yes man.

I have seen him talk cricket and maybe I was fooled into believing he knew a thing or 2 about what he is talking about.


Now coming to PCB hiring 2 high profile coaches for white ball and red ball is the most foolish decision and looks more like a show off decision than an actual one. A high profile coach wants full control on the cricket- white and red. How can you have 2 different visions?

Kirsten is a thorough professional and seems like even in WT20 despite the chaos he was the only sane voice. He knew the mess and walked out and is the kind of guy will never reveal anything negative. Must have got paid a lot of money so took it, did the bare minimum required and got the hell out.

Anyways maybe empowering Aquib is the best option because you won’t get coaches with certifications who have enough experience in the field and have enough cricket credentials that not every new player will talk to them like they are beneath them.
 
Who cares?

Aqib has found a way to win in tests at home, may be short term, but with Pak cupboard so bare I'll take it.
Yes, he's won us a series 1-1 against the Windies splendidly. Designing pitches where a nobody outperformed and outspun our supposed 'star duo'
 
But but bit posters like Rana & Shaz considered him a visionary and Pakistan's Jose Mourinho who will make us dominant like Chelsea in mid 2000s :drogba

Where has he been called a visionary, in-fact I made a thread criticising donkey’s like you who defended Kirsten & Gillespie being fired after Rizwan played a pivotal role in conspiring behind their backs.
 
Firstly we tend to think just because someone is gora they are automatically better coaches.

I always thought Aquib could fit well as a coach. He actually went through the whole coaching certification path unlike a lot of popular subcontinent ex-players.

He coached Pakistan team and has been a permanent coach in PSL for Lahore from what I understand. He might have coached in some of the smaller leagues too.

So he does have a wealth of coaching experience for good or bad.

On top of that he was probably the only guy from the 90s whose name never pops up in fixing and other controversies. I didn’t expect him to be a yes man.

I have seen him talk cricket and maybe I was fooled into believing he knew a thing or 2 about what he is talking about.


Now coming to PCB hiring 2 high profile coaches for white ball and red ball is the most foolish decision and looks more like a show off decision than an actual one. A high profile coach wants full control on the cricket- white and red. How can you have 2 different visions?

Kirsten is a thorough professional and seems like even in WT20 despite the chaos he was the only sane voice. He knew the mess and walked out and is the kind of guy will never reveal anything negative. Must have got paid a lot of money so took it, did the bare minimum required and got the hell out.

Anyways maybe empowering Aquib is the best option because you won’t get coaches with certifications who have enough experience in the field and have enough cricket credentials that not every new player will talk to them like they are beneath them.
Are you from Bengal? #just_curious
 
There are a few here who will back even if its a mole that comes from their region... Pakistan team for a long time is a team of lahore greens and blues... they have destroyed many careers and will keep doing so for many many years to come..

Naqvi
Aaqib
Wahab
Yousuf
Agha
Shadab
next inline is Saqlain ( will be the head coach after NZL series)
Should rename Pakistan team to model town.
 
Rizwan & Aqib are very close, this is well known and they’ve publicised their relationship.

Rizwan planted the seed of overthrowing the coach in Aqib’s head and gave him his support. When the Kusrah Kliq were not happy with Gillespie and Kirsten, they plotted against them.

Aqib was merely their instrument who can be made a scapegoat, and we are seeing that happen now.

After Pakistan lost to Bangladesh, which obviously was a sackable offence, the vultures pounced. Aqib right or wrong took full advantage off the opportunity, Rizwan famously coined ‘AqibBalls’ as they prepared spinning pitches to beat England. Aqib does not come to power without the seniors support and we saw how a smear campaign had been initiated to ostracise the foreigners from their alleged inability to communicate or the number of days they were available to work etc

Now Kirsten was very evidently a Rizwan job, firstly, Kirsten made it clear he didn’t really want to build the team around him and Babar, he clearly communicated how he had never seen such a divided and toxic environment like the one he experienced during the World T20. He wanted to build the team around young aggressive players and his vision was in line with modern demands in limited overs. As I mentioned before, the smear campaign was already in full swing after the WC humiliation and Kirsten was basically cornered. Gillespie is getting slightly confused due to the timing of events, because they applied more pressure on Kirsten after Aqib came into power; but the Kirsten dismissal was initiated by Rizwan, who’d only accept the captaincy if he was given certain guarantees and complete selection powers.

Whether it was Aqib, Gillespie or Kirsten; the common factor here is the influence Babar & Rizwan have wielded to secure their positions in the team, at the expense of Pakistan consistently performing poorly in tournaments.
 
Rizwan & Aqib are very close, this is well known and they’ve publicised their relationship.

Rizwan planted the seed of overthrowing the coach in Aqib’s head and gave him his support. When the Kusrah Kliq were not happy with Gillespie and Kirsten, they plotted against them.

Aqib was merely their instrument who can be made a scapegoat, and we are seeing that happen now.

After Pakistan lost to Bangladesh, which obviously was a sackable offence, the vultures pounced. Aqib right or wrong took full advantage off the opportunity, Rizwan famously coined ‘AqibBalls’ as they prepared spinning pitches to beat England. Aqib does not come to power without the seniors support and we saw how a smear campaign had been initiated to ostracise the foreigners from their alleged inability to communicate or the number of days they were available to work etc

Now Kirsten was very evidently a Rizwan job, firstly, Kirsten made it clear he didn’t really want to build the team around him and Babar, he clearly communicated how he had never seen such a divided and toxic environment like the one he experienced during the World T20. He wanted to build the team around young aggressive players and his vision was in line with modern demands in limited overs. As I mentioned before, the smear campaign was already in full swing after the WC humiliation and Kirsten was basically cornered. Gillespie is getting slightly confused due to the timing of events, because they applied more pressure on Kirsten after Aqib came into power; but the Kirsten dismissal was initiated by Rizwan, who’d only accept the captaincy if he was given certain guarantees and complete selection powers.

Whether it was Aqib, Gillespie or Kirsten; the common factor here is the influence Babar & Rizwan have wielded to secure their positions in the team, at the expense of Pakistan consistently performing poorly in tournaments.
And aqib dropped both of them. Making any sense is not your cup of tea.
 
Rizwan & Aqib are very close, this is well known and they’ve publicised their relationship.

Rizwan planted the seed of overthrowing the coach in Aqib’s head and gave him his support. When the Kusrah Kliq were not happy with Gillespie and Kirsten, they plotted against them.

Aqib was merely their instrument who can be made a scapegoat, and we are seeing that happen now.

After Pakistan lost to Bangladesh, which obviously was a sackable offence, the vultures pounced. Aqib right or wrong took full advantage off the opportunity, Rizwan famously coined ‘AqibBalls’ as they prepared spinning pitches to beat England. Aqib does not come to power without the seniors support and we saw how a smear campaign had been initiated to ostracise the foreigners from their alleged inability to communicate or the number of days they were available to work etc

Now Kirsten was very evidently a Rizwan job, firstly, Kirsten made it clear he didn’t really want to build the team around him and Babar, he clearly communicated how he had never seen such a divided and toxic environment like the one he experienced during the World T20. He wanted to build the team around young aggressive players and his vision was in line with modern demands in limited overs. As I mentioned before, the smear campaign was already in full swing after the WC humiliation and Kirsten was basically cornered. Gillespie is getting slightly confused due to the timing of events, because they applied more pressure on Kirsten after Aqib came into power; but the Kirsten dismissal was initiated by Rizwan, who’d only accept the captaincy if he was given certain guarantees and complete selection powers.

Whether it was Aqib, Gillespie or Kirsten; the common factor here is the influence Babar & Rizwan have wielded to secure their positions in the team, at the expense of Pakistan consistently performing poorly in tournaments.
Mate you know very well the true cause.. all this Babar, Rizwan Aqib stuff is like a soap opera and none of it really matters because none of this is the root problem...
 
Jason has disrespected the bonafide legend, child prodigy who took 7 wickets against India as a 16 year old and has won PSL and World cup. Aqib has dropped Rizbar, dropped Babar from tests and there fanboys are now latching on to a gora disrespecting one of there own. Just Pakistani things.
 
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Mate you know very well the true cause.. all this Babar, Rizwan Aqib stuff is like a soap opera and none of it really matters because none of this is the root problem...

We’ve been trying to solve the root problem for decades, when someone like Kirsten says he has never witnessed such a toxic environment before, you take it seriously. Am a schmuck, you’re a schmuck, but Gary isn’t a schmuck, he won the World Cup. There has been a consistent theme during the lead up to and aftermath off each ICC tournament over the past several years, yet we continue to overlook that. Things have never been this dire, Pakistan has always found a way to bounce back or create a moment of magic where everything doesn’t make sense and we still thrive, that feeling is dead due to player power, inflated ego’s who lack passion to play for Pakistan and an extremely toxic work environment. When you don’t give yourself the best shot possible and defend this nonsense, we can’t really point fingers somewhere else at this stage.
 
And it is a soap opera, until John Cena’s heel turn, this was keeping me entertained because I have no interest in the actual cricket which they can’t play anymore. But on the whole am sick of begairuts like Rizwan, Babar and all those who follow them, these shatans can’t even remain in prison during Ramadan, there’s always something which gets reported that reinforces what you believe. If you’re a smart man, and you can read between the lines. Gillespie’s revelations don’t really paint the senior players in a good light, in-fact quite the opposite. Utter vermin.
 
We’ve been trying to solve the root problem for decades, when someone like Kirsten says he has never witnessed such a toxic environment before, you take it seriously. Am a schmuck, you’re a schmuck, but Gary isn’t a schmuck, he won the World Cup. There has been a consistent theme during the lead up to and aftermath off each ICC tournament over the past several years, yet we continue to overlook that. Things have never been this dire, Pakistan has always found a way to bounce back or create a moment of magic where everything doesn’t make sense and we still thrive, that feeling is dead due to player power, inflated ego’s who lack passion to play for Pakistan and an extremely toxic work environment. When you don’t give yourself the best shot possible and defend this nonsense, we can’t really point fingers somewhere else at this stage.
Trust me I've been following Pak cricket for decades so know full well that we keep going round and around in circles..

Changing players and then having a few players succeed will just cause another grouping in the future... replace Rizwan/Babar with Player x and Player Y And in a couple of years you're back to square one..

Until and unless you address the real issues we'll be back here in sever years (or even sooner) talking about how this player or that player is the problem...

The fact that it's been happening since Pakistsn was created shouldn't be the reason we bury our heads in the sands and not aim for something better.
 
Jason has disrespected the bonafide legend, child prodigy who took 7 wickets against India as a 16 year old and has won PSL and World cup. Aqib has dropped Rizbar, dropped Babar from tests and there fanboys are now latching on to a gora disrespecting one of there own. Just Pakistani things.
when thread is about coaching and someone is latching on his 7 wickets....
 
Rizwan & Aqib are very close, this is well known and they’ve publicised their relationship.

Rizwan planted the seed of overthrowing the coach in Aqib’s head and gave him his support. When the Kusrah Kliq were not happy with Gillespie and Kirsten, they plotted against them.

Aqib was merely their instrument who can be made a scapegoat, and we are seeing that happen now.

After Pakistan lost to Bangladesh, which obviously was a sackable offence, the vultures pounced. Aqib right or wrong took full advantage off the opportunity, Rizwan famously coined ‘AqibBalls’ as they prepared spinning pitches to beat England. Aqib does not come to power without the seniors support and we saw how a smear campaign had been initiated to ostracise the foreigners from their alleged inability to communicate or the number of days they were available to work etc

Now Kirsten was very evidently a Rizwan job, firstly, Kirsten made it clear he didn’t really want to build the team around him and Babar, he clearly communicated how he had never seen such a divided and toxic environment like the one he experienced during the World T20. He wanted to build the team around young aggressive players and his vision was in line with modern demands in limited overs. As I mentioned before, the smear campaign was already in full swing after the WC humiliation and Kirsten was basically cornered. Gillespie is getting slightly confused due to the timing of events, because they applied more pressure on Kirsten after Aqib came into power; but the Kirsten dismissal was initiated by Rizwan, who’d only accept the captaincy if he was given certain guarantees and complete selection powers.

Whether it was Aqib, Gillespie or Kirsten; the common factor here is the influence Babar & Rizwan have wielded to secure their positions in the team, at the expense of Pakistan consistently performing poorly in tournaments.


Refuting whatever fairytale you've conjured up as the facts are otherwise. As it stands:

Aaqib has dropped Rizwan from T20s
Aaqib and Rizwan were having a rift over the team selected for the Champions trophy
Aaqib is still head coach so not a scapegoat as you make it seem
 
Two major partnerships shaped Indian cricket to whatever we are right now. The first one was Saurav Ganguly & John Wright in early 2000's. We may not have won many games but the attitude of the Indian team playing overseas saw a complete shift. The next one was MS Dhoni and Gary Kirsten. Kirsten's was always behind the scenes but was a major reason India did well for those 3-4 years in all formats.

I am very surprised that after Bob Woolmer and probably Mickey, Pakistan is struggling to retain a good foreign coach. Over the years it is kind of a proven fact that ex Pakistan players make a very bad coach but still PCB keep doing the same mistake. I am also surprised that PCB could not keep a soft spoken coach like Gary Kirsten. Gary obviously needed a dynamic captain like MS Dhoni to assist him to spark a turnaround but again neither Rizwan nor Babar were that for Pakistan. Also I remember Gary was very upset with the team during the T20 WC in USA/WI. I am confident that the player power also contributed to his exit. Don't think the senior players liked him much, I think Rizwan, Babar, Shaheen etc are more comfortable with a coach like Aquib.

Pakistan first need to find a good captain and I don't think anyone in the current squad has that capability. India has been lucky to have captains who were dynamic and had some sort of vision for the team. Sachin was the last bad captain we had. He was smart enough to understand that and stepped away. Saurav, Rahul, Anil, MS, Virat and now Surya & Rohit. This is what Pakistan need a dynamic leader who isn't afraid to make touch calls. When Pakistan have that and pair that leader with a good coach like Gary or John Wright, the team can move forward. Until this with this current bunch you are only going to see Aquib Javed type of coaches who will stall the team's progress for personal gains and will never let them move forward. Same with captains like Rizwan, Shaheen, Shadab and Babar, these guys will never take Pakistan towards progress. The young players will feel insecure and will mostly be dropped because of the captain. Remember Shadab said after losing to Afghanistan as to how it was a mistake to rest the seniors? How is he even considered for leadership roles? Even as a VC?
 
Oh God, these are the same people who claimed Rizwan would win us the Champions Trophy, and now they’re saying Gary and Jason could have done it m, if only Aqib hadn’t removed them.

This is the same Jason who cost us the Test series against Bangladesh and the same Gary whom your heroes, Rizwan and Babar, dismissed by saying they didn’t need coaching from him since they’ve played cricket long enough.

A team like Pakistan functions best under a local coach, 90% of these players can’t even speak a word of English and they want a gora cosch.
 
Two major partnerships shaped Indian cricket to whatever we are right now. The first one was Saurav Ganguly & John Wright in early 2000's. We may not have won many games but the attitude of the Indian team playing overseas saw a complete shift. The next one was MS Dhoni and Gary Kirsten. Kirsten's was always behind the scenes but was a major reason India did well for those 3-4 years in all formats.

I am very surprised that after Bob Woolmer and probably Mickey, Pakistan is struggling to retain a good foreign coach. Over the years it is kind of a proven fact that ex Pakistan players make a very bad coach but still PCB keep doing the same mistake. I am also surprised that PCB could not keep a soft spoken coach like Gary Kirsten. Gary obviously needed a dynamic captain like MS Dhoni to assist him to spark a turnaround but again neither Rizwan nor Babar were that for Pakistan. Also I remember Gary was very upset with the team during the T20 WC in USA/WI. I am confident that the player power also contributed to his exit. Don't think the senior players liked him much, I think Rizwan, Babar, Shaheen etc are more comfortable with a coach like Aquib.

Pakistan first need to find a good captain and I don't think anyone in the current squad has that capability. India has been lucky to have captains who were dynamic and had some sort of vision for the team. Sachin was the last bad captain we had. He was smart enough to understand that and stepped away. Saurav, Rahul, Anil, MS, Virat and now Surya & Rohit. This is what Pakistan need a dynamic leader who isn't afraid to make touch calls. When Pakistan have that and pair that leader with a good coach like Gary or John Wright, the team can move forward. Until this with this current bunch you are only going to see Aquib Javed type of coaches who will stall the team's progress for personal gains and will never let them move forward. Same with captains like Rizwan, Shaheen, Shadab and Babar, these guys will never take Pakistan towards progress. The young players will feel insecure and will mostly be dropped because of the captain. Remember Shadab said after losing to Afghanistan as to how it was a mistake to rest the seniors? How is he even considered for leadership roles? Even as a VC?
Imagine yourself as Misbah ul Haq. You have 3 players: Rizwan, Fakhar and Iftikhar. Who would you appoint as captain?

Let’s say you appoint Rizwan as captain, but then he becomes unavailable. Who will you appoint as captain out of Fakhar and Iftikhar?
 
Players them selves are saying they need a desi coach because of language barrier and mr experts who thought rizwan would them champions trophy and imran khan would build a naya Pakistan in 100 days want a gora coach 🤣🤣
 
Trust me I've been following Pak cricket for decades so know full well that we keep going round and around in circles..

Changing players and then having a few players succeed will just cause another grouping in the future... replace Rizwan/Babar with Player x and Player Y And in a couple of years you're back to square one..

Until and unless you address the real issues we'll be back here in sever years (or even sooner) talking about how this player or that player is the problem...

The fact that it's been happening since Pakistsn was created shouldn't be the reason we bury our heads in the sands and not aim for something better.

This century we were consistently in the top 3 or 4 under Bob Woolmer across all formats, won ICC Trophies in 2009 and 2017. Under Mickey Arthur we were on track to shape up like a proper modern limited overs cricket side and this all amidst politics and a turbulent environment.

What you are refusing to accept and what has already been reiterated by Gary Kirsten is that our team is in the worst shape in its history and that’s in addition to the usual grass root issues, so it’s not just replacing player x with player y, you are taking immediate action to address the problems you have before you right now. How does it serve Pakistan’s interest to ignore the toxic environment created by senior players and the shocking lack off effort on the pitch, not to mention meddling in affairs they have no right to. The problem is also fans who are not willing to start fresh and give a new group a long rope, despite the fact that we’ve failed miserably for half a decade.

Burying our heads in the sands is maintaining the current status and blaming external issues which were never results even during the height of Pakistan Cricket’s golden era, it’s just petty politics used to justify the job security of players who would have been given the boot by any self respecting authority.
 
Refuting whatever fairytale you've conjured up as the facts are otherwise. As it stands:

Aaqib has dropped Rizwan from T20s
Aaqib and Rizwan were having a rift over the team selected for the Champions trophy
Aaqib is still head coach so not a scapegoat as you make it seem

Dropping him from T20’s in this very moment, after getting his pants pulled down in ODI’s presently, makes sense.
 
Yes I am denying Joginder Sharma is more impactful than Shoaib Akhtar.

Are you saying it’s the opposite?

In the final Joginder Sharma picked up 2 wickets - not only Misbah but the great Younis Khan as well. While Shoaib Akhtar was sitting at home due to fear of dope testing
 
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Dropping him from T20’s in this very moment, after getting his pants pulled down in ODI’s presently, makes sense.

But it's certainly a decision you agree with. It obviously doesn't make sense since T20s are Rizwan's best format - just goes to show the extent of the rift
 
The sheer hypocrisy!

You were the biggest advocate of Misbah, when he went behind Mickey Arthur's back and ousted him to take up his job for himself.

Just like how Aqib is far inferior to Gillespie and Kirsten, Misbah wasn't even fit to tie Mickey Arthur's shoelaces.

Aqib < Misbah

So you know what that means? You are an even bigger clown.

Just more nonsense so you can take a dig at Misbah, the greatest evil in the history of Pakistan cricket.

Mickey was dropped by a committee - that committee also had your hero Wasim Akram in it - why no criticism there?

Mickey was rehired as well and his commitment was exposed where he wanted to coach the team virtually.
 
I am flat out denying the sheer stupidity of the claim that Joginder Sharma was more impactful as a bowler than Shoaib Akhtar. It’s utter madness. How is that a refutation of history?

One won his team probably the most impactful World Cup - the other was sitting at home scared
 
Just more nonsense so you can take a dig at Misbah, the greatest evil in the history of Pakistan cricket.

You can deny it as much as you like but the fact of the matter is it's a conflict of interest. If you had a shred of credibility, you would have the guts to admit Misbah was wrong.

Mickey was dropped by a committee - that committee also had your hero Wasim Akram in it - why no criticism there?

Maybe because Wasim Akram didn't take Mickey's job? What kind of stupid question is this?

Once again you're going after Wasim Akram. Carry on disrespecting our legends and exposing yourself here.

Babar/Rizwan/Misbah fans have no leg to stand on when it comes to the likes of Younis Khan, Wasim Akram, Shoaib Akhtar, who have all been disrespected by you severely of late.

Mickey was rehired as well and his commitment was exposed where he wanted to coach the team virtually.

I don't blame him after the way he was booted out. Who would?
 
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You can deny it as much as you like but the fact of the matter is it's a conflict of interest. If you had a shred of credibility, you would have the guts to admit Misbah was wrong.



Maybe because Wasim Akram didn't take Mickey's job? What kind of stupid question is this?

Once again you're going after Wasim Akram. Carry on disrespecting our legends and exposing yourself here.

Babar/Rizwan/Misbah fans have no leg to stand on when it comes to the likes of Younis Khan, Wasim Akram, Shoaib Akhtar, who have all been disrespected by you severely of late.



I don't blame him after the way he was booted out. Who would?


It wasn't a conflict of interest it was a 'perceived conflict of interest' - which imo is bad but not as bad as a direct conflict of interest. The time line and chain of events do not portray Misbah as the mastermind behind Mickey's ouster. No one knew who the coach was going to be once Mickey was booted.

Secondly, giving an honest opinion doesn't make one a bad guy. Both Wasim Akram and Misbah gave their honest opinion and Wasim Khan was the one who decided. I'm not going after Wasim Akram, I'm going after your stance of solely blaming Misbah, there's a difference. I'm giving credit to Wasim for being honest then, can you do the same for Misbah??

As for legends, imo Misbah is also a legend but it doesn't stop you from disrespecting him in every post. I'm at least more reasonable and give credit where it's due without turning a blind eye to their faults. YK is a our greatest test batter, Wasim our best bowler ever - Shoaib Akhtar though is just a legend on youtube
 
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By the looks of it. It seems Gillespie is convinced Aqib was undermining him and Gary and that he was plotting all along.

It could be that, or it could be that someone else in PCB was undermining them while giving the impression that it's all Aqib's doing.
 
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Lazy attitude, even Wasim, Waqar didn't speak english fluently or that great early on in their careers but they were willing to get out of their comfort zones and change themselves for the better. Besides Pakistani players have been playing international cricket for a good 5-6 years, that is more than enough to learn the English Language
 
Lazy attitude, even Wasim, Waqar didn't speak english fluently or that great early on in their careers but they were willing to get out of their comfort zones and change themselves for the better. Besides Pakistani players have been playing international cricket for a good 5-6 years, that is more than enough to learn the English Language
I am so confused with this. Don't all Pakistan players participate in every overseas T20 league? How come they don't pick up the language? How do they communicate with foreign coaches in the leagues? This is definitely lazy from the current crop. Wasim, Waqar & Saqlan, all learnt to speak the language playing in county cricket. They put in the effort to learn the language but the current crop don't seem to be interested.
 
That is where PCB needs to act. Most of these Ex cricketers have not achieved much themselves , and come and talk nonsense on media.

Imagine Hafeez talking about intent , Malik talking about spin bowling , Shoaib Akhtar talking about winning in ICC tournaments
That's true for foreign coaches too. Gary never won anything playing for south africa but helped india win a world cup. Most great coaches in all sports were average players themselves.
 
Gary spitting facts and reaction against him was expected.. Aaqib created this mess but people started praising him after Pakistan won test at home but kept losing away games badly.

Aqqib is just another power hungry individual IMO. The way he is selecting people in team is quite shocking and what is even more shocking how he is defending his selections.
 
Aqib has always been a leech. He was for years a persona non grata in PCB and for good reason. He tried so hard to get a job at PCB for over 15 years that 2 years ago he was saying "I will never work for a board like PCB". And just as he got a chance in the selection committee, he used it to remove the coaches by charming Naqvi with his gospel "make spinning wickets" (something every Pakistani fan knew about, it was under Ramiz that our pitches had been made to be flat roads, the wickets were pretty sporting when SA toured Pak in 2021). A den of clowns this organization. It is a microcosm of our country.
And to top it off, it is apparently no big deal that Aqib is also serving as a head of selection committee and probably cricket committee too?
It's become quite difficult to support Pakistan Cricket with the kind of people that are both on the field and in the offices.
 
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This century we were consistently in the top 3 or 4 under Bob Woolmer across all formats, won ICC Trophies in 2009 and 2017. Under Mickey Arthur we were on track to shape up like a proper modern limited overs cricket side and this all amidst politics and a turbulent environment.

What you are refusing to accept and what has already been reiterated by Gary Kirsten is that our team is in the worst shape in its history and that’s in addition to the usual grass root issues, so it’s not just replacing player x with player y, you are taking immediate action to address the problems you have before you right now. How does it serve Pakistan’s interest to ignore the toxic environment created by senior players and the shocking lack off effort on the pitch, not to mention meddling in affairs they have no right to. The problem is also fans who are not willing to start fresh and give a new group a long rope, despite the fact that we’ve failed miserably for half a decade.

Burying our heads in the sands is maintaining the current status and blaming external issues which were never results even during the height of Pakistan Cricket’s golden era, it’s just petty politics used to justify the job security of players who would have been given the boot by any self respecting authority.
You continue to make it a Rizwan issue... I couldn't care less about Rizwan..

I only care about Pakistsn Cricket.

We've always had golden periods upto now, Bob Woolmer and even under Mickey Arthur... but in the end any coach and the successful players under their authority end up in the same way...

The different now is the everything is coming home to roost and our ability to produce a few players that keep us competitive/winning (albeit in an inconsistent) manner are dwindling.
I suspect, and I've said this many times, that the various leagues is the death nail. When you have players like Amir. Shaheen, Shadab, Rauf and a host of others sacrificing first class cricket to earn money in franchise cricket then you're heading down a slippery road...

Nothing is going to change other then the death of our cricket until and unless there is a fundamental change to our system.
 
I think you're missing the big picture here. These foreign coaches were NOT willing to spend time in Pakistan, work closely with the players, or scout for talent. No matter how impressive their resumes might be, it’s pointless if they are absent most of the time and delegate the hard work to assistant coaches in Pakistan.

They were neither dedicated nor fully invested in Pakistan cricket like Bob Woolmer, Geoff Lawson, and Mickey Arthur during his first tenure. It seemed they were only there to collect paychecks and not put in the hard work. The question is, did the PCB hire them out of desperation, knowing they weren’t willing to spend most of their time in Pakistan?
 
I think you're missing the big picture here. These foreign coaches were NOT willing to spend time in Pakistan, work closely with the players, or scout for talent. No matter how impressive their resumes might be, it’s pointless if they are absent most of the time and delegate the hard work to assistant coaches in Pakistan.

They were neither dedicated nor fully invested in Pakistan cricket like Bob Woolmer, Geoff Lawson, and Mickey Arthur during his first tenure. It seemed they were only there to collect paychecks and not put in the hard work. The question is, did the PCB hire them out of desperation, knowing they weren’t willing to spend most of their time in Pakistan?
They were only going to spend the time as stated in their contracts. No one would spend 200 days in Pakistan even their contract was for 100 days. Blame the guy who wrote the contracts clauses. If you feel you are not signing coaches for enough work days, why even sign them at all? The thing is PCB is run by jokers who don't know how to manage a convenience store let alone an organization.
 
Gillespie bhai has also become opinionated. That's what Pakistan does too- the mouths become too big and not the performance.

Aqib being called a clown as the main headline. It's hilarious and humiliating.
 
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