Aaqib-ball Era - A question to Pakistan team fans, are you enjoying it?

[mon858]

Yes they messed up in pitch. It's too much for day 1. They just needed regular spin wickets like England series.

 

[Farabi]

Yes they messed up in pitch. It's too much for day 1. They just needed regular spin wickets like England series.

I agree. English Fast bowlers were still interested and there was more for the batters.
This is taking the skill out of the equation because Pakistan batters have no clue how to handle it either

 

[DeadlyVenom]

England tests were necessary.

These tests are a travesty. Fans were doing unnecessary bhangra after the first west Indies test but it was evident this is a flawed strategy. I was actually sad at how we defeated West Indies in the first test. It felt like a bullet to our cricket. It felt like cheating.

Now this Aqib wants to replicate it on first class level. Soon all we will ever be able to produce is little tiddly spinners and nurdlers for batsmen.

Aqib must be stopped in his tracks very quickly.

 

[mominsaigol]

England tests were necessary.

These tests are a travesty. Fans were doing unnecessary bhangra after the first west Indies test but it was evident this is a flawed strategy. I was actually sad at how we defeated West Indies in the first test. It felt like a bullet to our cricket. It felt like cheating.

Now this Aqib wants to replicate it on first class level. Soon all we will ever be able to produce is little tiddly spinners and nurdlers for batsmen.

Aqib must be stopped in his tracks very quickly.

He wants to replicate it on a first class level? Yikes. I thought it was for international only lol.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

He wants to replicate it on a first class level? Yikes. I thought it was for international only lol.

"Even though foreign players are struggling with spin pitches from abroad, so are our players, because they have never played on these pitches," Aaqid said. "Moving forward, we have told them their training and practice routines will be geared towards this, and we will change domestic pitches too."

 

[mominsaigol]

"Even though foreign players are struggling with spin pitches from abroad, so are our players, because they have never played on these pitches," Aaqid said. "Moving forward, we have told them their training and practice routines will be geared towards this, and we will change domestic pitches too."

I mean it could improve our batters play against spin. Players like Axhar, YK, Misbah, asad were pretty good against it.

Now minus saud no one else is good at it. Our 2nd best player of spin after saud is rizwan and he's just okay, he's good at sweeping and nudging but isn't a natural.

But play against pacers will tank not to mention quality of bowlers will also tank.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I mean it could improve our batters play against spin. Players like Axhar, YK, Misbah, asad were pretty good against it.

Now minus saud no one else is good at it. Our 2nd best player of spin after saud is rizwan and he's just okay, he's good at sweeping and nudging but isn't a natural.

But play against pacers will tank not to mention quality of bowlers will also tank.

Those players didn't need to play on rank disgusting turners to get good at spin brother.

Our cricket has been bad for a long time. We have batsmen who can't play anything apart from phattas. It will take a long term to sort out and quick fix solutions won't help.

 

[mominsaigol]

Those players didn't need to play on rank disgusting turners to get good at spin brother.

Our cricket has been bad for a long time. We have batsmen who can't play anything apart from phattas. It will take a long term to sort out and quick fix solutions won't help.

I'm aware, those 4 were already good at spin even before uae.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Did Aaqib-ball crack the code for home Tests or fall short?

 

[jnaveen1980]

"Even though foreign players are struggling with spin pitches from abroad, so are our players, because they have never played on these pitches," Aaqid said. "Moving forward, we have told them their training and practice routines will be geared towards this, and we will change domestic pitches too."

That has to be the dumbest idea. It will make the batsmen worse, bowlers one-dimensional and predictable. Even at home they will become vulnerable. Stroke players will become extinct as well. There is a reason why Bangladesh has stagnated massively. Because of pitches like this.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

That has to be the dumbest idea. It will make the batsmen worse, bowlers one-dimensional and predictable. Even at home they will become vulnerable. Stroke players will become extinct as well. There is a reason why Bangladesh has stagnated massively. Because of pitches like this.

Shan has also doubled down on this dumb idea in the post match interview.

Aqib must be stopped or he will finish us off for good.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Aqib must be sacked today from the test captsincy. I'm usually against knee jerk reaction but given his appointment was a knee jerk one it's appropriate in this instance.

He is on a mission to kill off our cricket across formats with his crazy spin heavy mirpur Bangladesh strategy, and his intention to roll it out across first class cricket will kill the growth of players across all formats.

His test coaching stint needs to end. The power he has been given needs to be revoked and he should focus on white ball cricket until the champions trophy. If he fails to help the team win that then he must be dropped from that also.

Mohsin Naqvi must intervene immediately to curb the powers of this mad man.

 

[Buffet]

That has to be the dumbest idea. It will make the batsmen worse, bowlers one-dimensional and predictable. Even at home they will become vulnerable. Stroke players will become extinct as well. There is a reason why Bangladesh has stagnated massively. Because of pitches like this.

+1

BD winning in Mirpur did not help BD.

Batting and bowling both won't improve if you play all domestics in such pitches.

 

[Buffet]

I think Pakistan not winning home tests in all kinds of pitches and then winning 3 tests in these lottery pitches can make many think that this is the way to go. First level thinking - you can win some tests by winning tosses in these lottery pitches and it's better than not winning. Also, let's have domestic with the same pitches. But second level thinking will make it clear that you are taking standards down by not developing any bowler or batsman. No one will develop their games if they play domestic and international in such pitches all the time.

It's bad idea to have these pitches in International and domestics both. Yes, its a bad idea even if you win few tests. Best is to have traditional slow turners with some variety here and there.

 

[Barragan]

Did Aaqib-ball crack the code for home Tests or fall short?

Ofc he did - what kind of nonsense is this?

WI beat Aus - do they stop making bouncy pitches? NO!

Long may this spinning pitches formula continue

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Ofc he did - what kind of nonsense is this?

WI beat Aus - do they stop making bouncy pitches? NO!

Long may this spinning pitches formula continue

Oh Bhai those are natural Aussie conditions.

You can't compare it to what Pakistan did and those pitches were normal pitches. They didn't deviate too much from established norms in that part of the world.

They didn't manipulate a pitch with greenhouses and fans and all sorts of other nonsense.

We have had test match finish in 2 days and the next match 20 wickets fell on day 1. 20 wickets in day 1 is a record in Asia!

Please stop with these false notions that we are only doing what other countries do! I've never seen any other country where the coach, captain and selection committee has such a hand in pitch curation!

 

[Usman Chadda]

Oh Bhai those are natural Aussie conditions.

You can't compare it to what Pakistan did and those pitches were normal pitches. They didn't deviate too much from established norms in that part of the world.

They didn't manipulate a pitch with greenhouses and fans and all sorts of other nonsense.

We have had test match finish in 2 days and the next match 20 wickets fell on day 1. 20 wickets in day 1 is a record in Asia!

Please stop with these false notions that we are only doing what other countries do! I've never seen any other country where the coach, captain and selection committee has such a hand in pitch curation!

Agree with you.

This is some next level nonsense, and end of the day we still ended up getting our pants pulled down infront of the world.

 

[Barragan]

Oh Bhai those are natural Aussie conditions.

You can't compare it to what Pakistan did and those pitches were normal pitches. They didn't deviate too much from established norms in that part of the world.

They didn't manipulate a pitch with greenhouses and fans and all sorts of other nonsense.

We have had test match finish in 2 days and the next match 20 wickets fell on day 1. 20 wickets in day 1 is a record in Asia!

Please stop with these false notions that we are only doing what other countries do! I've never seen any other country where the coach, captain and selection committee has such a hand in pitch curation!

Are you telling me Spinning wickets are not natural for Pakistan?!?!

India, Sir Lanka and Bangladesh all have them

What kind of nonsense is this?

Yeah, go back to dead pitches and start losing again - pathetic!

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Are you telling me Spinning wickets are not natural for Pakistan?!?!

India, Sir Lanka and Bangladesh all have them

What kind of nonsense is this?

Yeah, go back to dead pitches and start losing again - pathetic!

Ask yourself. If these type of pitches were natural would you need heaters, fans, green houses and 10 day old pitches on day 1 of a test match.

And phattas aren't the answer either.

 

[Barragan]

Ask yourself. If these type of pitches were natural would you need heaters, fans, green houses and 10 day old pitches on day 1 of a test match.

And phattas aren't the answer either.

Yes, they are natural to the continent and region, but our curators are farmers and have no clue how to prepare it naturally

Get professionals in and you will see them being prepared naturally

 

[kingusama92]

I think Pakistan not winning home tests in all kinds of pitches and then winning 3 tests in these lottery pitches can make many think that this is the way to go. First level thinking - you can win some tests by winning tosses in these lottery pitches and it's better than not winning. Also, let's have domestic with the same pitches. But second level thinking will make it clear that you are taking standards down by not developing any bowler or batsman. No one will develop their games if they play domestic and international in such pitches all the time.

It's bad idea to have these pitches in International and domestics both. Yes, its a bad idea even if you win few tests. Best is to have traditional slow turners with some variety here and there.

We have to see this play out over a longer period.

The highways they produced previous to these pitches weren't developing anyone either. It was a brutal run-fest and the pacers + spinners were left bruised and battered.

I think the Multan pitches were extreme (especially the first one) but we have to see if that was deliberate or perhaps the curator got carried away with the drying process not knowing how extreme it would get. The pitches at this stadium are often highways, so I feel they might have overcompensated with the fans.

I even felt they toned it down a bit in the 2nd Test cause it didn't turn as much as the 1st. But still it turned a lot.

I wish they had interviewed the curator. This might have shed light on how easy/difficult it is to produce a pitch that takes turn later in the Test rather than having an outright rank turner like what we saw here.

It's quite possible he had no other option.

The best strategy will be to have dry pitches that take turn on or after day 3. But how possible is that at the various stadiums? This is the real question because it's not as easy as saying "I want this type of pitch" and then getting it. Just like we can't go to Gaddafi Stadium and expect a bouncy pitch like the Gabba.

 

[emranabbas]

@DeadlyVenom

Struggle on green pitches, bouncy pitches, spinning tracks, and even on flat ones.

So, what kind of pitches should be prepared? The ones from Cricket 24 on PlayStation5 with cheat codes?

Absolutely disgraceful batting! Yet, some of these players are called world-class and compared to the likes of Younis Khan. Pure delusion.

I say stick to spinning pitches and replace the batsmen who can’t handle them; it’s the only way Pakistan have been able to take 20 wickets.

 

[dravidthewall]

In Aqibball era atleast pakistan avoiding whitewash in home. Like previous did in saqiball era. They are atleast level the series to 1-1 against much talented team west indies.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

@DeadlyVenom

Struggle on green pitches, bouncy pitches, spinning tracks, and even on flat ones.

So, what kind of pitches should be prepared? The ones from Cricket 24 on PlayStation5 with cheat codes?

Absolutely disgraceful batting! Yet, some of these players are called world-class and compared to the likes of Younis Khan. Pure delusion.

I say stick to spinning pitches and replace the batsmen who can’t handle them; it’s the only way Pakistan have been able to take 20 wickets.

Extremism isn't the only path. There is always a middle path.

If the end result is we are losing on all pitches then we should just build for the future rather than these type of pitches which make a mockery of test cricket.

 

[emranabbas]

Extremism isn't the only path. There is always a middle path.

If the end result is we are losing on all pitches then we should just build for the future rather than these type of pitches which make a mockery of test cricket.

After watching this Test, you were right about the need for a balanced pitch, but it should still lean more towards favouring spin.

That said, we can’t ignore the fact that our batsmen are extremely poor, regardless of the pitch.

It’s unfair to blame Aqib when the batsmen can’t perform on any pitch.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

After watching this Test, you were right about the need for a balanced pitch, but it should still lean more towards favouring spin.

That said, we can’t ignore the fact that our batsmen are extremely poor, regardless of the pitch.

It’s unfair to blame Aqib when the batsmen can’t perform on any pitch.

Yeah I've never been against spin leaning pitches. Just the crap these guys have been dishing up. For the subcontinent 2 spinners and 2 pacers is a nice balance, it doesn't need to be pace only or spin only. We need to find a pitch type where we can play Noman and Sajid but good bowlers like Khurram can flourish too.

Batsmen are a problem because our domestic is one dimensional. We can't expect too much from them given what they are used to. Someone needs to come in and treat this like a long term project
I blame Aqib because he wants to take this strategy even further and play the same style in domestic.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

After watching this Test, you were right about the need for a balanced pitch, but it should still lean more towards favouring spin.

That said, we can’t ignore the fact that our batsmen are extremely poor, regardless of the pitch.

It’s unfair to blame Aqib when the batsmen can’t perform on any pitch.

@emranabbas, give us a break, it's not batsmen fault when you would prepare such an awful pitch for a non consequential series. Aaqib is to blamed as much as players. Stop defending him unreasonably

 

[emranabbas]

@emranabbas, give us a break, it's not batsmen fault when you would prepare such an awful pitch for a non consequential series. Aaqib is to blamed as much as players. Stop defending him unreasonably

Struggle on green pitches, bouncy pitches, spinning tracks, and even on flat ones lets get the opposition to bowl under arms so our batsman can score some runs.

I can understand your hate for aqib he's not part of the cult

 

[jnaveen1980]

Taking 20 wickets is definitely a must. But how does Pakistan end up losing 20 wickets on flat wickets. How do you expect a team that lose 20 wickets on flat roads to survive on these tracks. They got rolled over under 200 on a pitch where Rickleton butchered pakistan pacers. When Pakistan tries to increase the chances of taking 20 wickets it will also increase the chances of Pakistan losing 20 wickets quicker. Sweet spot is toss. If they lose the toss on these pitches more often than not they will lose against any half decent side with half decent spinners.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Struggle on green pitches, bouncy pitches, spinning tracks, and even on flat ones lets get the opposition to bowl under arms so our batsman can score some runs.

I can understand your hate for aqib he's not part of the cult

You can call it what you want, but Aaqib needs to do something Big to make himself immune from criticism. Your argument of defense would be too feeble till than.

 

[mominsaigol]

Ofc he did - what kind of nonsense is this?

WI beat Aus - do they stop making bouncy pitches? NO!

Long may this spinning pitches formula continue

Australia doesn't make bouncy pitches. All their pitches have naturally been tennis bounce pitches since the inception of cricket.

 

[Xoib]

Aqib is lazy he has no vision how to take 20 wickets unless it’s a square turner he’s the worst thing to happen to Pakistan cricket

 

[gazza619]

Aaqib will make mistakes in the process but he will learn, dont you underestimate him.

He was and still is the best brain in the country.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

This man will turn pakistan team into lahore qalandars with his stupid moves...

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Lol...every other country giving PCT and Aaqib a taste of his own medicine aka Aaqib ball

 

[The Bald Eagle]

@emranabbas, my friend who is responsible for PCT defeat...please enlighten us

 

[Xoib]

This mediocre pretender was bound to be exposed sooner then later what annoys me is the treatment of Gillispie and Kirsten means so half decent foreign coach will touch Pakistan for next 10 years due to crap Naqvi and Aqib pulled

 

[emranabbas]

@emranabbas, my friend who is responsible for PCT defeat...please enlighten us

The 3 batsmens you vouch for imam rizwan babar and the 3 bowlers you vouch for shaheen naseem rauf.

Who have been in the team before aqib took over.

The aqib selections kushdil, saud and abrar did well

And it's ICC tournament so aqib didn't have a say in the pitches

And your point is?

 

[The Bald Eagle]

The 3 batsmens you vouch for imam rizwan babar and the 3 bowlers you vouch for shaheen naseem rauf.

Who have been in the team before aqib took over.

The aqib selections kushdil, saud and abrar did well

And it's ICC tournament so aqib didn't have a say in the pitches

And your point is?

I vouch for....lol...and who did Gillespie and Kirsten vouched for...Imad and Amir ?????

Why don't you accept it he is guilty too... Practically chief selector cum coach who snubbed Sajid Khan etc

 

[emranabbas]

I vouch for....lol...and who did Gillespie and Kirsten vouched for...Imad and Amir ?????

Why don't you accept it he is guilty too... Practically chief selector cum coach who snubbed Sajid Khan etc

Oh bhai sajid khan is a test bowler why would he be in an odi team?

Sajid Khan averages 38 in list a compared to 27 in FC big diffrence that says it all

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Oh bhai sajid khan is a test bowler why would he be in an odi team?

Sajid Khan averages 38 in list a compared to 27 in FC big diffrence that says it all

Are you serious? Didn't you watch how the pitch behaved today?....anyways don't let your biases cloud your judgement

 

[Kianig89]

SSA n Rauf biggest let downs , about time we decide their future

 

[emranabbas]

Are you serious? Didn't you watch how the pitch behaved today?....anyways don't let your biases cloud your judgement

Do you think sajid would have won the match for pakistan? Do you know the diffrence between tests and odi's? You do realise diffrent balls are used in both formats?

Hence in domestic there is a massive gap in average in A list and FC

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Do you think sajid would have won the match for pakistan? Do you know the diffrence between tests and odi's? You do realise diffrent balls are used in both formats?

Hence in domestic there is a massive gap in average in A list and FC

Absolutely Sajid was way better than SSA and Haris Rauf...atleast would have scored 20 to 30 runs too

 

[emranabbas]

Absolutely Sajid was way better than SSA and Haris Rauf...atleast would have scored 20 to 30 runs too

It's your assumption players outside the team is better than the one in the team

First explain to me why there is a massive diffrence in sajids list A and FC average

So I know you know you know what your talking about and just not chatting random stuff

 

[The Bald Eagle]

It's your assumption players outside the team is better than the one in the team

First explain to me why there is a massive diffrence in sajids list A and FC average

So I know you know you know what your talking about and just not chatting random stuff

Won't waste my time...if you can't see the no brainer...anyways keep supporting Aaqib..no issues with that

 

[emranabbas]

Won't waste my time...if you can't see the no brainer...anyways keep supporting Aaqib..no issues with that

OK explain I don't understand you know it so share the knowledge

Why is there a massive diffrence in sajid khans A list Average and FC average?

Please don't make runners you started it.

 

[JaDed]

Easily the biggest fraud in Pakistani Cricket.
The guy behaves like he was some magician in his playing days and an amazing coach.

 

[u0sama]

Due to aqib ball we lost gillespie and kirsten. He got all the power but when he was selector gillespie and kisrten didn't had any power.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I realised his limits when he wants balls deep with spin approach in tests. Had given him the benefit of the doubt before. He isn't overly responsible for the ODI failures - this rot has set in before, but he doesn't have any of the capabilities to build a leading side. He is another termite.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

It's time to get rid of this senseless coaching staff who have no ability to read the game and make selections accordingly.

 

[emranabbas]

It's time to get rid of this senseless coaching staff who have no ability to read the game and make selections accordingly.

We changed zillions of coaching staff in the last 10 years but no one has been able to fix babars batting just admit it babar isn't fixable and he puts unnecessary pressure on the whole team and because of him players have to play out of position and we don't have the right balance sack the problem not the coaching staff

 

[Chip32]

It's time to get rid of this senseless coaching staff who have no ability to read the game and make selections accordingly.

And what's that going to change? People will point fingers at coaching, the lack of education, poor fitness levels, not using data etc., but the biggest issue remains the dearth of talent. There are no truly gifted players on this team bar Shaheen - who himself just hasn't worked hard enough and is content because of Pakistan's celebrity worship culture. The other stuff can obviously help uplift and maximise talent, but if there's no baseline ability that other fluff isn't going to do anything for you.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

PCB To Sack Pakistan Coach Aaqib Javed, Support Staff After 2025 Champions Trophy: Report

Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) is reportedly set to sack the interim men’s cricket head coach Aaqib Javed-led and his support staff after the ongoing 2025 Champions Trophy.

The coaching set-up will take the fall for the team’s back-to-back defeats to New Zealand and India in the group stage, which has meant that Pakistan is dependent on other participants’ results to have a shot at qualifying for the semi-finals. According to a PTI report, which cited a PCB source, Chairman Mohsin Naqvi will also speak with the Board of Governors on whether to retain the national selection committee or not.

PCB To Sack Pakistan Coach Aaqib Javed, Support Staff After 2025 Champions Trophy: Report - News18

PCB plans to sack interim head coach Aaqib Javed and his staff after the 2025 Champions Trophy due to poor performance. Chairman Mohsin Naqvi will also discuss the future of the selection committee.

www.news18.com

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Pakistan's Head Coach, Aaqib Javed emphasizes tailoring your team to the conditions and opposition.

thats why u select 1 spinner for CT2025 in Pakistan/Dubai when all other teams come with 2 atleast India with 5 spinners..
And now to cover up that foolish mistake , he is taking 4 spinners to Newzealand and ppl think he talks sense..

He is skilled in lobbying , him and Misbah are the same want try their hand on coaching but not qualified enought , so what they bring down the qualified one and make it uncomfortable for them to work with, make it stressful for them by ripping their powers OFF and push them until they say I quit and then enjoy the perks as selector , coach and keep failing forever until sacked for good..

 

[ask_analyse_act]

PCB To Sack Pakistan Coach Aaqib Javed, Support Staff After 2025 Champions Trophy: Report

Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) is reportedly set to sack the interim men’s cricket head coach Aaqib Javed-led and his support staff after the ongoing 2025 Champions Trophy.

The coaching set-up will take the fall for the team’s back-to-back defeats to New Zealand and India in the group stage, which has meant that Pakistan is dependent on other participants’ results to have a shot at qualifying for the semi-finals. According to a PTI report, which cited a PCB source, Chairman Mohsin Naqvi will also speak with the Board of Governors on whether to retain the national selection committee or not.

PCB To Sack Pakistan Coach Aaqib Javed, Support Staff After 2025 Champions Trophy: Report - News18

PCB plans to sack interim head coach Aaqib Javed and his staff after the 2025 Champions Trophy due to poor performance. Chairman Mohsin Naqvi will also discuss the future of the selection committee.

www.news18.com

But he himself makes him the interim coach again... from Naqvi to Rizwan are all parchis and nepotistic , appointed through the back door politics... What else can people expect from them , they even bring down the country with the same lobbying