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Is that actually an official song? Just asking as it has been presented as being so according to the poster.
And where was the taliban delegation just recently in modis lap.
And why are taliban still getting us payments and aid
As widely reported, the group has indirectly received some US$40 million (A$63 million) a week of donor funds. The United Nations says it’s unavoidable that some money makes its way to Afghanistan’s central bank, which is under the control of the Taliban.
This aid money, together with US$7 billion (A$11 billion) worth of light and heavy arms left behind by the US and its allies, has been crucial in enabling the Taliban to enforce its extremist rule, despite lacking domestic and international legitimacy.
And why are taliban still getting us payments and aid
Aid propping up the Taliban
Indeed, not all the aid has directly been delivered to the needy. The Taliban have creamed off a portion of it in the process of permitting and supervising its delivery.As widely reported, the group has indirectly received some US$40 million (A$63 million) a week of donor funds. The United Nations says it’s unavoidable that some money makes its way to Afghanistan’s central bank, which is under the control of the Taliban.
This aid money, together with US$7 billion (A$11 billion) worth of light and heavy arms left behind by the US and its allies, has been crucial in enabling the Taliban to enforce its extremist rule, despite lacking domestic and international legitimacy.
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Absolutely correct.
Americans have been bankrolling Taliban!
- 2021: $1.4 Billion USD
- 2022: $4 Billion USD
- 2023: $887 Million USD
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Americans give money to Pak Establishment as well..
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Those are official numbers, you think Americans don’t give money to the Establishment ? Also the gap is much lesser this year.. 2022 was different
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Point is they both are fighting each other.. I agree Taliban are terrorists and need to be put down, but i doubt Pak Establishment is the victim here.. no one else knows in an out of Taliban than Pak Establishment.
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Both countries don't really have economies to support fighting territorial wars, so you can assume they are well funded by external sources to do so.
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Asim Munir's is America's poodle, no disagreement there.
What I am trying to point out that Taliban (as in the state of Afghanistan) is basically bankrolled by America and the issue is considerably bigger then the Aid (state of Pakistan) gets.
I understand that you will deflect the issue and take the conversation in a different direction but once again
2022:
Official US Government Aid to the "state of..."
- Afghanistan: 4 Billion USD
- Pakistan: 300 Million USD
Pti in meltdown that imam mahdis army had turned out to be mantri modi army .
We did warn you about the salty haram nature of Afghans.
Calling pakistan poodles when your own countrymen want to go to west and you recieve money , just now Germany is offering 1500 to 5000 dollars for afghans not to come and abandon their resettlement guess where those afghans are they are living in pakistan
Pakistan should hand them over to afghanistan
We did warn you about the salty haram nature of Afghans.
Calling pakistan poodles when your own countrymen want to go to west and you recieve money , just now Germany is offering 1500 to 5000 dollars for afghans not to come and abandon their resettlement guess where those afghans are they are living in pakistan
Pakistan should hand them over to afghanistan
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That’s what Americans do.
Pakistan has enjoyed this mercenary army for rent relationship for ages. So they don’t have a right to cry about Afghans getting US aid.
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please a source for these numbers and also add in figures from India. I believe aid has been cut significantly to Afghanistan.
The Indians recieve big funds from USA and in turn put on high tariffs and fund Putins war against Ukraine.
We are not the ones espousing being a shariah state , imam mahdis army , lost tribes of Israel and promoting ethnic fascism and superiority.
Whilst all the time the economy is run on extortion , money from kaffirs usa /india, drugs and smuggling and most Afghanis wanting to flee their country .
If Arianna is a such a magical land what are these afghanis doing in pakistan
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Former DG ISI Lt Gen Faiz Hameed stood in Afghanistan and said, 'I am here for a cup of tea,'. That tea has turned out to be very costly for us, and we are still paying the price,": Pak Deputy PM Ishaq Dar.
Pakistan will never be able to repay the cost of that tea enjoyed by Lt Gen Faiz Hameed in Afghanistan.
Jaisi karni, waisi bharni..
Pakistan will never be able to repay the cost of that tea enjoyed by Lt Gen Faiz Hameed in Afghanistan.
Jaisi karni, waisi bharni..
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Afghan govt to Pakistani Govt: Stop coming up with inaccurate remarks after Pakistan FM said Afghan FM tried to reach him out 6 times in a day
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The recent remarks by the Foreign Minister of Pakistan, asserting that the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan, Mawlawi Amir Khan Muttaqi, contacted him six times in a single day, are far removed from reality.
In reality, the initial telephone contact between the two sides was conducted within the framework of mutual understanding and coordination. During this call, Mr. Ishaq Dar expressed unawareness of the situation and stated that he would reach out after obtaining full information. Accordingly, a second conversation took place. One day after this exchange, Mr. Dar attempted to establish contact again; however, for various reasons, the connection could not be realized.
The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Afghanistan reiterates that the foundation of relations between countries rests on mutual respect and engagement grounded in facts. Therefore, such inaccurate remarks conflict with the spirit of mutual respect and diplomatic engagement between the two nations.
Strong statement from Kabul, dismissing Pakistan FM Dar's claims on talks with Afghan FM
Entire Pakistan is spreading fake news everywhere . pathetic
Afghan Readout
The recent remarks by the Foreign Minister of Pakistan, asserting that the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan, Mawlawi Amir Khan Muttaqi, contacted him six times in a single day, are far removed from reality.
In reality, the initial telephone contact between the two sides was conducted within the framework of mutual understanding and coordination. During this call, Mr. Ishaq Dar expressed unawareness of the situation and stated that he would reach out after obtaining full information. Accordingly, a second conversation took place. One day after this exchange, Mr. Dar attempted to establish contact again; however, for various reasons, the connection could not be realized.
The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Afghanistan reiterates that the foundation of relations between countries rests on mutual respect and engagement grounded in facts. Therefore, such inaccurate remarks conflict with the spirit of mutual respect and diplomatic engagement between the two nations.
Strong statement from Kabul, dismissing Pakistan FM Dar's claims on talks with Afghan FM
Entire Pakistan is spreading fake news everywhere . pathetic
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November 05, 2025Afghanistan-Pakistan peace talks 'failed', Pakistan minister says
Talks aimed at securing a long-term truce between Afghanistan and Pakistan concluded in Istanbul without a "workable solution", Pakistan's information minister said on Wednesday, in a blow for peace in the region after deadly clashes this month.
The talks were aimed at reaching lasting peace between the South Asian neighbours after dozens were killed along their border in the worst such violence since the Taliban took power in Kabul in 2021.
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"The Afghan side kept deviating from the core issue, evading the key point upon which the dialogue process was initiated," Pakistan Information Minister Attaullah Tarar said in a statement early on Wednesday.
"Instead of accepting any responsibility, the Afghan Taliban resorted to blame game, deflection and ruses. The dialogue thus failed to bring about any workable solution," Tarar said.
Afghanistan's foreign and defence ministries did not immediately respond to requests from Reuters for comment on Tarar's statement.
Both nations agreed to a ceasefire brokered in Doha on October 19, but could not find common ground in a second round of talks mediated by Turkey and Qatar in Istanbul, Afghan and Pakistani sources briefed on the issue told Reuters on Tuesday, with each blaming the other for the failure.
A Pakistani security source said the Taliban had been unwilling to commit to rein in the Pakistani Taliban, a separate militant group hostile to Pakistan that Islamabad says operates with impunity inside Afghanistan.
An Afghan source familiar with the talks said they had ended after "tense exchanges" over the issue, adding that the Afghan side said it no control over the Pakistani Taliban, which has launched attacks against Pakistani troops in recent weeks.
The sources sought anonymity as they were not authorised to speak publicly.
The October clashes began after Pakistani air strikes this month on Kabul, the Afghan capital, among other locations, targeting the head of the Pakistani Taliban.
The Taliban responded with attacks on Pakistani military posts along the length of the 2,600-km (1,600 miles) border.
On Saturday, Pakistan's defence minister said he believed Afghanistan wanted peace but that failure to reach an agreement in Istanbul would mean "open war".
Despite a ceasefire between Pakistan and the Taliban, weekend clashes killed five Pakistani soldiers and 25 Pakistani Taliban militants near the border with Afghanistan, the military said on Sunday.
Afghanistan-Pakistan peace talks 'failed', Pakistan minister says
Talks aimed at securing a long-term truce between Afghanistan and Pakistan concluded in Istanbul without a "workable solution", Pakistan's information minister said on Wednesday, in a blow for peace in the region after deadly clashes this month.www.reuters.com
Pakistan’s delegation comprising of Senior Military, Intelligence and Bureaucracy representatives has departed for Istanbul where they will hold talks with the Afghan Taliban in the presence of mediators -- The talks will be held tomorrow here in Istanbul
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Geo news Host: Tomorrow once again the talks will start. If the talks fail, what is your view?
Khawaja Asif: If negotiations fail, the situation will get worse. We have options. Given how we are being targeted, we may respond in kind.
Host: So is it war ?
Khawaja Asif: Yes, only WAR
And these guys are running Pakistan.
Khawaja Asif: If negotiations fail, the situation will get worse. We have options. Given how we are being targeted, we may respond in kind.
Host: So is it war ?
Khawaja Asif: Yes, only WAR
And these guys are running Pakistan.
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Only Army should be allowed to speak, every single time these ministers esp the PM speaks it’s absolute rubbish.
This is exactly what I told someone before about Rajiv Gandhi if he was there during the time of social media he would had been treated like RAGA.
This is exactly what I told someone before about Rajiv Gandhi if he was there during the time of social media he would had been treated like RAGA.
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Pakistan and Afghanistan to start third round of talks in Istanbul today
Pakistan is set to resume talks with Afghan Taliban representatives in Istanbul today in a third round of engagement aimed at ending cross-border terrorism and consolidating a fragile ceasefire that was initially agreed upon after border clashes last month.
Since the skirmishes between October 11 and 15, Pakistan and Afghan Taliban representatives have held two rounds of talks — first in Doha and then in Istanbul — but a final agreement has not yet been achieved.
For the third round, under the joint mediation of Turkiye and Qatar, delegations from both sides arrived in Istanbul on Wednesday. The talks are expected to continue for two days.
In this round, Pakistan’s delegation is being led by Lt Gen Asim Malik, director general of the Inter-Services Intelligence, and includes senior officials from the military, intelligence agencies, and the Foreign Office.
The Afghan Taliban’s delegation, meanwhile, includes General Directorate of Intelligence (GDI) chief Abdul Haq Waseq, Deputy Interior Minister Rehmatullah Najib, Taliban spokesperson Suhail Shaheen, Anas Haqqani, Qahar Balkhi, Zakir Jalali and Afghanistan’s chargé d’affaires in Ankara.
Focus of the talks
A joint statement was released by the Turkish foreign ministry following the last round of talks between the two sides. It said that “all parties have agreed on continuation of ceasefire” and “to put in place a monitoring and verification mechanism that will ensure maintenance of peace and impose a penalty on the violating party”.
The communique further stated that “the principals” from both sides would reconvene in Istanbul on November 6 to discuss implementation.
Earlier, a diplomat from one of the mediating countries said while speaking to Dawn on the condition of anonymity that the two sides will review the implementation of the commitments reached during the previous round of talks and attempt to finalise the modalities for the monitoring and verification mechanism agreed in principle last week.
Meanwhile, officials in both Islamabad and Kabul have kept expectations low about the upcoming dialogue.
Pakistani military and intelligence officials have stated that Islamabad’s position remains unchanged, that Afghan soil must not be used for terrorism against Pakistan — a longstanding demand of Islamabad.
“The Pakistan military and intelligence service have a single-point agenda — the end of terrorism,” military spokesman Lt Gen Ahmed Sharif Chaudhry said earlier this week.
Another security official, speaking on anonymity, said while speaking to Dawn that Islamabad seeks “concrete, verifiable guarantees”.
From borders clashes to talks
Talks between Pakistan and the Afghan Taliban follow weeks of shuttle diplomacy after deadly border clashes last month plunged relations between the two neighbours to their lowest point since the Taliban seized power in Kabul in 2021.
The hostilities began when an attack was launched on Pakistan from Afghanistan on the night of October 11. The attack had followed an allegation from the Taliban of airstrikes by Pakistan into Afghanistan — an accusation which Islamabad has neither confirmed nor denied.
For its part, Islamabad has long demanded that Taliban stop terror groups from using its soil against Pakistan. Taliban, however, deny the allegation of allowing terrorists to operate from Afghan soil.
Meanwhile, Pakistan continues to grapple with the issue of terrorism and has suffered multiple casualties among security forces in intelligence-based operations.
After the initial skirmish on Oct 11, multiple others took place along the Pakistan-Afghanistan border. Meanwhile, strikes by Islamabad also targeted Gul Bahadur group camps in Afghanistan.
A ceasefire was then agreed upon on Oct 15 in the evening, and eventually, the two sides came together for dialogue in Doha. After the Doha talks, a temporary ceasefire continued to prevent border hostilities while the two sides committed to reconvene in Istanbul to work on mechanisms for lasting peace and stability between the two countries.
On Oct 25, the second round of talks between the two sides began in the Turkish capital. But, Information Minister Attaullah Tarar announced in a post on X on Oct 29 that the talks “failed to bring about any workable solution”. He also asserted that Pakistan would continue to take all possible measures to protect its citizens from terrorism.
The information minister had said that Pakistan had repeatedly engaged with the Afghan Taliban regarding “persistent cross-border terrorism” by India-abetted“ terrorists.
“The Afghan Taliban regime has been asked time and again to fulfil their written commitments to Pakistan and to the international community in the Doha Agreement. However, Pakistan’s fervent efforts proved futile due to the Afghan Taliban regime’s unabated support to anti-Pakistan terrorists,” Tarar had stated.
However, mediators Turkiye and Qatar intervened and managed to salvage the dialogue process, with an Oct 31 joint statement released by Turkiye stating that “further modalities of the implementation will be discussed and decided” during a principal-level meeting in Istanbul on November 6 (today).
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Pakistan is set to resume talks with Afghan Taliban representatives in Istanbul today in a third round of engagement aimed at ending cross-border terrorism and consolidating a fragile ceasefire that was initially agreed upon after border clashes last month.
Since the skirmishes between October 11 and 15, Pakistan and Afghan Taliban representatives have held two rounds of talks — first in Doha and then in Istanbul — but a final agreement has not yet been achieved.
For the third round, under the joint mediation of Turkiye and Qatar, delegations from both sides arrived in Istanbul on Wednesday. The talks are expected to continue for two days.
In this round, Pakistan’s delegation is being led by Lt Gen Asim Malik, director general of the Inter-Services Intelligence, and includes senior officials from the military, intelligence agencies, and the Foreign Office.
The Afghan Taliban’s delegation, meanwhile, includes General Directorate of Intelligence (GDI) chief Abdul Haq Waseq, Deputy Interior Minister Rehmatullah Najib, Taliban spokesperson Suhail Shaheen, Anas Haqqani, Qahar Balkhi, Zakir Jalali and Afghanistan’s chargé d’affaires in Ankara.
Focus of the talks
A joint statement was released by the Turkish foreign ministry following the last round of talks between the two sides. It said that “all parties have agreed on continuation of ceasefire” and “to put in place a monitoring and verification mechanism that will ensure maintenance of peace and impose a penalty on the violating party”.
The communique further stated that “the principals” from both sides would reconvene in Istanbul on November 6 to discuss implementation.
Earlier, a diplomat from one of the mediating countries said while speaking to Dawn on the condition of anonymity that the two sides will review the implementation of the commitments reached during the previous round of talks and attempt to finalise the modalities for the monitoring and verification mechanism agreed in principle last week.
Meanwhile, officials in both Islamabad and Kabul have kept expectations low about the upcoming dialogue.
Pakistani military and intelligence officials have stated that Islamabad’s position remains unchanged, that Afghan soil must not be used for terrorism against Pakistan — a longstanding demand of Islamabad.
“The Pakistan military and intelligence service have a single-point agenda — the end of terrorism,” military spokesman Lt Gen Ahmed Sharif Chaudhry said earlier this week.
Another security official, speaking on anonymity, said while speaking to Dawn that Islamabad seeks “concrete, verifiable guarantees”.
From borders clashes to talks
Talks between Pakistan and the Afghan Taliban follow weeks of shuttle diplomacy after deadly border clashes last month plunged relations between the two neighbours to their lowest point since the Taliban seized power in Kabul in 2021.
The hostilities began when an attack was launched on Pakistan from Afghanistan on the night of October 11. The attack had followed an allegation from the Taliban of airstrikes by Pakistan into Afghanistan — an accusation which Islamabad has neither confirmed nor denied.
For its part, Islamabad has long demanded that Taliban stop terror groups from using its soil against Pakistan. Taliban, however, deny the allegation of allowing terrorists to operate from Afghan soil.
Meanwhile, Pakistan continues to grapple with the issue of terrorism and has suffered multiple casualties among security forces in intelligence-based operations.
After the initial skirmish on Oct 11, multiple others took place along the Pakistan-Afghanistan border. Meanwhile, strikes by Islamabad also targeted Gul Bahadur group camps in Afghanistan.
A ceasefire was then agreed upon on Oct 15 in the evening, and eventually, the two sides came together for dialogue in Doha. After the Doha talks, a temporary ceasefire continued to prevent border hostilities while the two sides committed to reconvene in Istanbul to work on mechanisms for lasting peace and stability between the two countries.
On Oct 25, the second round of talks between the two sides began in the Turkish capital. But, Information Minister Attaullah Tarar announced in a post on X on Oct 29 that the talks “failed to bring about any workable solution”. He also asserted that Pakistan would continue to take all possible measures to protect its citizens from terrorism.
The information minister had said that Pakistan had repeatedly engaged with the Afghan Taliban regarding “persistent cross-border terrorism” by India-abetted“ terrorists.
“The Afghan Taliban regime has been asked time and again to fulfil their written commitments to Pakistan and to the international community in the Doha Agreement. However, Pakistan’s fervent efforts proved futile due to the Afghan Taliban regime’s unabated support to anti-Pakistan terrorists,” Tarar had stated.
However, mediators Turkiye and Qatar intervened and managed to salvage the dialogue process, with an Oct 31 joint statement released by Turkiye stating that “further modalities of the implementation will be discussed and decided” during a principal-level meeting in Istanbul on November 6 (today).
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A fascinating statement by the Pakistan Foreign Minister, Mr Ishaq Dar, in the country’s parliament. He complained that he had gone recently to Afghanistan and had met with Afghan leaders. He said he reached understanding/commitments/agreements on various issues with the Afghan officials. He said when I returned to Pakistan, the system did not allow their implementation. Pakistanis, Afghans and others concerned need to know what commitments/understandings/agreements were reached. Who/ what did he mean by "system"? Gen Malik, the ISI Chief? The Field Marshall, Asim Munir or? Given the potential for war between two neighbors with huge implications, it is important to get to the bottom of these allegations.
So it's clear problem is Pakistan not Afghanistan .
So it's clear problem is Pakistan not Afghanistan .
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Why is Pakistan making India a key figure in its dispute with the Taliban?
Pakistan's fears over closer India-Taliban ties are influencing its approach to peace talks with Kabul, analysts say.
Wow even Pak Opeds are finally speaking out across mediums.
Honestly I didn’t even know this was still going on..
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Pakistan can't fight a front war and here situation has becomes 2 front war.Why is Pakistan making India a key figure in its dispute with the Taliban?
Pakistan's fears over closer India-Taliban ties are influencing its approach to peace talks with Kabul, analysts say.www.aljazeera.com
Wow even Pak Opeds are finally speaking out across mediums.
Honestly I didn’t even know this was still going on..
Whats funny about it??Geo news Host: Tomorrow once again the talks will start. If the talks fail, what is your view?
Khawaja Asif: If negotiations fail, the situation will get worse. We have options. Given how we are being targeted, we may respond in kind.
Host: So is it war ?
Khawaja Asif: Yes, only WAR
And these guys are running Pakistan.
Sanatanis have a weird bloodlust fetish for some reason..let be real, indians only aspire for the destruction of Pakistan and Muslims.. that much is fact..
If war is the only answer, then war it will be..
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I never wished for anyone destruction but whoever send the terrorists to killed the Indian's need to be eliminated from the world to achieve the peace.
indians arent this equation…I never wished for anyone destruction but whoever send the terrorists to killed the Indian's need to be eliminated from the world to achieve the peace.
Pahalgham is dubious , the killings were reprehensible and many Pakistanis have said this multiple times, was any proof furnished if the perpetrators were sent by/trained by Pakistan.? Either way, let me repeat, the act was despicable and deplorable.
Sorry, but your posting history dictates you are anything but a peacemaker … you revel in this
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Why is Pakistan making India a key figure in its dispute with the Taliban?
Pakistan's fears over closer India-Taliban ties are influencing its approach to peace talks with Kabul, analysts say.
Wow even Pak Opeds are finally speaking out across mediums.
Honestly I didn’t even know this was still going on..
Did you read the article?
He complimented the Taliban leadership at the talks in Istanbul. “But the people in Kabul pulling the strings and staging the puppet show are being controlled by Delhi,” Asif charged. “India wants to engage in a low-intensity war with Pakistan. To achieve this, they are using Kabul.”
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I read the article, its an report.. that was a statement by Asif a diplomat not by the person writing, here is from the one that wrote the article:
“The defence minister presented no evidence to back his claim that India was propping up the Taliban to challenge Pakistan”
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Well it's the same logic that Indians use when attacks are made on their territory, i.e, Pakistan is launching terror attacks through proxies in Kashmir. Here you have the Afghans launching attacks on Pakistan and then flying to shake hands with officials in India.
That is just how this works. Everyone can have an opinion, doesn't mean they are right though.
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Yes.. all my point was the opinion or reporter is Pakistaniin Al Jazeera that is rare..my original post was just highlighting that..
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Deadlock persists in Pakistan-Afghanistan talks
Deadlock continues in the latest round of Pakistan-Afghanistan talks as the Pakistani delegation left for the airport, sources said on Friday.
Sources divulged that the delegation withdrew from the negotiating table. Qatar and Turkish authorities remain closely informed about developments. The sources pertaining to the development added that Pakistan exercised maximum patience under the current circumstances.
Decisions regarding the future of talks will now be taken following consultations within the Pakistani senior leadership.
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Deadlock continues in the latest round of Pakistan-Afghanistan talks as the Pakistani delegation left for the airport, sources said on Friday.
Sources divulged that the delegation withdrew from the negotiating table. Qatar and Turkish authorities remain closely informed about developments. The sources pertaining to the development added that Pakistan exercised maximum patience under the current circumstances.
Decisions regarding the future of talks will now be taken following consultations within the Pakistani senior leadership.
Deadlock persists in Pakistan-Afghanistan talks
Sources divulged that the delegation withdrew from the negotiating table. Qatar and Turkish authorities remain closely informed about developments.
www.samaa.tv
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And the third round of peace talks between Afghanistan and Pakistan has failed. What next?
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I don’t see the Pakistan–Taliban talks leading to any real peace, because Pakistan’s problem with Afghanistan isn’t terrorism but control. Its grudges go far beyond security concerns, and that mistrust will keep fuelling friction and bloodshed along the Durand Line.
Pakistan will not hold back, and the Taliban will not give in. Sounds like a tricky situation. I
Pakistan will not hold back, and the Taliban will not give in. Sounds like a tricky situation. I
Pakistan demands verifiable action against TTP and allied militants operating from Afghan soil, warning that ceasefire survival hinges on Kabul halting cross-border attacks, failing which, confrontation resumes with all options on the table.
The Taliban denies harboring these groups, rejects intrusive monitoring and any Joint Counterterrorism Mechanism, and instead demands a halt to deportations of undocumented Afghan refugees, unrestricted trade, and an end to cross-border CT operations.
Source: TKD
Look at their demands
Its time are given the iron rod treatment and this bollywood hard man image of aye pathan is ended once and for all hopefully pakistan army grinds these snakes into dust
The Taliban denies harboring these groups, rejects intrusive monitoring and any Joint Counterterrorism Mechanism, and instead demands a halt to deportations of undocumented Afghan refugees, unrestricted trade, and an end to cross-border CT operations.
Source: TKD
Look at their demands
Its time are given the iron rod treatment and this bollywood hard man image of aye pathan is ended once and for all hopefully pakistan army grinds these snakes into dust
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The Taliban just want to fight kafirs. Pakistan army should put their own citizens first and open up a passage to India to facilitate this. Indians are now good pals with the Taliban so what is the downside?
I would suggest setting up a train service through Punjab which would give direct face to face contact with these two friends in waiting.
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Pakistan’s real enemy isn’t in Kabul or New Delhi but within its own barracks.The Taliban just want to fight kafirs. Pakistan army should put their own citizens first and open up a passage to India to facilitate this. Indians are now good pals with the Taliban so what is the downside?
I would suggest setting up a train service through Punjab which would give direct face to face contact with these two friends in waiting.
The Army’s addiction to perpetual conflict has turned Pakistan’s national security into an industry of fear, feeding the military’s power, privileges, and budget.
Every new front, from the TTP to the TLP, was once raised as a proxy by Pakistan’s military itself. By waging wars it cannot win and creating monsters it cannot control, the Pakistan Army is destroying the very state it claims to defend.
The latest Western lollipop is also no strategy; it is merely a crutch for a decaying doctrine that thrives on chaos and calls it patriotism.
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Pakistan’s real enemy isn’t in Kabul or New Delhi but within its own barracks.
The Army’s addiction to perpetual conflict has turned Pakistan’s national security into an industry of fear, feeding the military’s power, privileges, and budget.
Every new front, from the TTP to the TLP, was once raised as a proxy by Pakistan’s military itself. By waging wars it cannot win and creating monsters it cannot control, the Pakistan Army is destroying the very state it claims to defend.
The latest Western lollipop is also no strategy; it is merely a crutch for a decaying doctrine that thrives on chaos and calls it patriotism.
I am no real believer in Pakistan, I sort of agree with both hindutvas and Talibans on this point. I agree with you!
But I reluctantly can't escape the truth that Pakistan for all it's pointlessness has developed nuclear technology for the Ummah. The Afghans never did. So I guess from an Islamic perspective Pakistan served a great purpose even though the country makes no sense whatsoever.
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Mullah Baradar announced today that Afghanistan has banned Pakistani imports; however, the Pakistani government sealed its border with Afghanistan many weeks ago. This ban is just for PR purposes only...Just to put things into perspective, the size of Afghanistan's economy is $18B whereas the size of Faislabad's economy (a mid-tier city in Pak) is $43B
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Do you give this perspectives when reporting on India and Pakistan?
Clearly Pakistanis care about the economy # like majority in India lol
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This is what you get when you have ignorant bafoons ruling with so called "divine" edicts. So you put entire Afghanistan at the mercy of US sanction waivers on Chabahar. The current waivers only last for few more months. Maybe Trump will bargain Bagram airport out of them this way... This is Taliban intelligentsia for you.
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Late to this thread but it is a mark of how much we let these clowns into our space. Our ex PM was famous for defending these thugs and now innocent people all over the region are paying the price. Words can't express how much I detest the jailed criminal. These thugs were given legitimacy by IK and supporters. Just imagine! I have always maintained and will maintain that our biggest enemies are within. We can prepare and respond to external threats but it is always the insider that blindsides us. @Rana @topspin @Slim @Major @Cpt. Rishwat @KingKhanWC @Mamoon
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Except that these very Talibans are the brainchild of the Pakistan army, protected and nurtured for nearly two decades after their fall..... But yeh, let's blame IK.
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You are a treasonous poster speaking Hindvata language. I won't engage you.
With talks stalemated and 12 Pakistanis slaughtered in the capital, it's time to put aside political differences and assess Pakistan's realistic options vis-a-vis Afghanistan.
OPTION 1 - Shred the ceasefire and resume air strikes. However Pakistan suffered losses last month, and history shows world powers like US and USSR painfully learning the limits of military power in Afghanistan. Also diverts resources away from eastern border.
OPTION 2 - Continue economic blockade of Afghanistan by keeping border crossings shut. However this also hurts KPK traders and could lead to Afghanistan permanently reorienting their trade towards Iran and other neighbours.
OPTION 3 - Continue negotiations. However talks cannot continue indefinitely while Pakistanis are massacred and Afghanistan refuses to lift a finger against TTP leadership on their soil.
Tough choices. Personally I'd combine all three. If there's intelligence on TTP formations in Afghanistan - hit them. Let them continue feeling the economic pinch. Initiate a massive PR effort involving major international media outlets, and diplomatic offensive using forums such as UN, OIC and SCO, while calling out India's volte face on the Afghan Taliban.
This feels an incredibly dangerous moment in Pakistan's history requiring national unity and decisive thinking.
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OPTION 1 - Shred the ceasefire and resume air strikes. However Pakistan suffered losses last month, and history shows world powers like US and USSR painfully learning the limits of military power in Afghanistan. Also diverts resources away from eastern border.
OPTION 2 - Continue economic blockade of Afghanistan by keeping border crossings shut. However this also hurts KPK traders and could lead to Afghanistan permanently reorienting their trade towards Iran and other neighbours.
OPTION 3 - Continue negotiations. However talks cannot continue indefinitely while Pakistanis are massacred and Afghanistan refuses to lift a finger against TTP leadership on their soil.
Tough choices. Personally I'd combine all three. If there's intelligence on TTP formations in Afghanistan - hit them. Let them continue feeling the economic pinch. Initiate a massive PR effort involving major international media outlets, and diplomatic offensive using forums such as UN, OIC and SCO, while calling out India's volte face on the Afghan Taliban.
This feels an incredibly dangerous moment in Pakistan's history requiring national unity and decisive thinking.
@DeadlyVenom @Major @RedwoodOriginal @Cpt. Rishwat @Bewal Express @The Bald Eagle @Extra_Cover @KingKhanWC @topspin @Rana @Pakpak @mazkhan @LordJames @IronShield
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As I have said before and I will repeat- PK cant afford another enemy on its Western Border. I accept the Afghans have never accepted and that is something that should part of the negotiations.
We cant fight a war to give the Americans an airbase, and as the Qataris found to their cost, an airbase that could easily be used to attack us in the future.
The regime change the Americans want isnt in our interest. The taliban are not good people but it wasnt long ago, the Generals accused Afghanistan under Ghani of attacking us with Ind help. We are now back to Ind controlling Afghanistan because they fear us.
Our negotiations should be about peace on both sides of the border. Dont trust the Americans, they always damage PK.
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It should be a mix of all 3 options. No one option will provide the desired results.
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There needs to be an attempt to end Talib rule in Afghanistan. Pakistan must ally with regional partners like China and Iran to make this happen
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This might be one of the options Pakistan needs to consider. Previously we have mistrusted the secular nationalists in Afghanistan because many of them want Pakistan wiped off the map. But if the Taliban share the same emotions, then might be better to engage the secularists, and yes include Iran and China. In reality even the non-Taliban Afghans are more religious than Pakistanis anyway, so even calling them secularist is probably a push.
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Violence begets violence, so I don't believe that, that is the way to solve this issue. I know alot of Pakistanis feel very angry right now, and I do too. But we have to show restraint and try to negotiate, while using our influence with other regional players like Turkey, Qatar etc. to push the Taliban.
Today we are paying the price for our decades-long foreign policy in Afghanistan. The Taliban are terrorists and even if you look at it from a cold hard realpolitik angle, you should have known that they were never people you could trust. But still we kept supporting and funding them over the years in pursuit short-term goals i.e. that the propped up Northern Alliance regime that was pro-India doesn't take power. Now the Taliban are normalizing relations with India and the generals who advocated backing these terrorists all these years are enjoying their retirement and playing golf.
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What is Pakistan endgame?
IF the Taliban regime could not be pro Pakistan then no regime in Afghanistan will be pro Pakistan.
TTP is a problem created by Pakistan. They played a dangerous game and it has backfired.
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Pakistan-Afghanistan tensions: FO says will ‘not shy away’ from any mediatory role by Iran
Foreign Office (FO) spokesperson Tahir Hussain Andrabi said on Sunday that Pakistan welcomed Iran’s offer of mediation between Islamabad and Kabul and would “not shy away from” it.“Iran is a brotherly, friendly country. Pakistan is always in favour of finding peaceful resolutions of issues through dialogue and diplomacy, and we appreciate the offer of mediation of our brotherly country, Iran,” Andrabi told Dawn upon a query about reports that Tehran was working to convene a regional meeting for mediation between Islamabad and the Afghan Taliban.
“We believe that Iran can play an important role. We would not shy away from any mediatory role by Iran. Mediations are always welcome,” Andrabi said, adding that Pakistan had a “very strong case”.
He further stated: “Generally, mediations are resented by a country or a side which is on a weak legal or a political case. Pakistan’s case on this issue, on terrorism emanating from Afghanistan, is very strong. So, obviously we will not shy away from mediation.”
Pakistan, which has been grappling with the problem of terrorism for long, has been demanding that the rulers in Kabul take action to stop cross-border terrorism. But, the Afghan Taliban deny Islamabad’s allegation of terrorists being allowed to use Afghan soil to carry out attacks in Pakistan.
Earlier this month, a third round of talks between Islamabad and Kabul, which were taking place in Istanbul in the presence of mediators from Turkiye and Qatar, broke down without any agreement, as negotiators failed to bridge deep differences over how to prevent cross-border terrorism. The talks had followed deadly border clashes between the two neighbours in October.
The border clashes between Pakistan and Afghanistan started late on the night of October 11 and continued into the next morning. The Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) said that 23 Pakistani troops were martyred and 200 Taliban and affiliated terrorists were killed when Islamabad responded to aggression by Kabul.
Afghanistan claimed it carried out the attack as a “retaliatory” measure, accusing Islamabad of conducting air strikes in its territory. For its part, Islamabad did not confirm or deny whether it was behind the strikes, but maintained that Kabul should “stop harbouring the Tehreek-i-Taliban Pakistan on its soil”.
After the initial skirmish on Oct 11, multiple others took place along the Pakistan-Afghanistan border. Meanwhile, strikes by Islamabad also targeted Gul Bahadur group camps in Afghanistan.
A ceasefire was then agreed upon on the evening of October 15, and eventually, the two sides came together for dialogue in Doha. After the Doha talks, a temporary ceasefire continued to prevent border hostilities while the two sides committed to reconvene in Istanbul to work on mechanisms for lasting peace and stability between the two countries.
On October 25, the second round of talks between the two sides began in the Turkish capital. But, Information Minister Attaullah Tarar announced in a post on X on October 29 that the talks “failed to bring about any workable solution”. He also asserted that Pakistan would continue to take all possible measures to protect its citizens from terrorism.
However, mediators Turkiye and Qatar intervened and managed to salvage the dialogue process with an October 31 joint statement released by Turkiye stating that “further modalities of the implementation will be discussed and decided” during a principal-level meeting in Istanbul on November 6.
But on November 7, Defence Minister Khawaja said that talks addressing cross-border terrorism were “over” and “entered an indefinite phase” as negotiators failed to bridge deep differences between the two sides.
Following the failure of the talks, the Afghan Taliban have suspended trade ties with Pakistan.
Earlier this week, the foreign ministers of Iran and Russia called for continued dialogue between Pakistan and Afghanistan to resolve their ongoing disputes on cross-border terrorism.
Previously on Nov 9, Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi said he had spoken with his Pakistani and Afghan counterparts, Ishaq Dar and Amir Khan Muttaqi, discussing bilateral ties as well as the recent negotiations in Istanbul between Islamabad and Kabul.
According to Iran’s state-run IRNA news agency, Araghchi had also expressed Iran’s readiness for any kind of assistance to resolve differences between the two countries.
The same day, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said his Foreign Minister Hakan Fidan, Defence Minister Yasar Guler and intelligence chief Ibrahim Kalin would visit Islamabad next week to discuss tensions between Afghanistan and Pakistan.
Meanwhile, Pakistan continues to suffer casualties among its security forces and civilian population in terror attacks, which authorities link to Afghanistan.
Source: DAWN
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Let me turn this around, what is the Taliban end game here?
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Pakistan airstrikes in Afghanistan? Anyone?
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Shameful act by Pakistan to killing children's including girl's .
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Really shameful act by Pakistan to killing chilldrens.
Mod don't delete the post just because you don't like this fact.
Mod don't delete the post just because you don't like this fact.
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I dont care about your random tweets... Just try and add some good source when you add something...
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Random source? I add two sources one is Pakistani amd another is spokesperson of Afghanistan government. These are random source for you ? Lol
If Afghanistan government spokesperson is random source then who is real source for you !!
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Pakistani airstrikes kill 10 in Afghanistan – DW – 11/25/2025
Airstrikes in Khost province killed a woman and nine children, a Taliban spokesperson said. This came a day after a suicide bombing in Peshawar, Pakistan, city killed three and injured at least 11.
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Very very shameful act by Pakistan air force by killing 9 children and 1 adult....
On one hand Pakistan condemning Israel for attacki g n killing Palestinians.... now what moral right they will have to condemn Israel
On one hand Pakistan condemning Israel for attacki g n killing Palestinians.... now what moral right they will have to condemn Israel
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True face of those hypocrites! But just mention Palestine and you'll see them shedding crocodile tears.Pakistani airstrikes kill 10 in Afghanistan – DW – 11/25/2025
Airstrikes in Khost province killed a woman and nine children, a Taliban spokesperson said. This came a day after a suicide bombing in Peshawar, Pakistan, city killed three and injured at least 11.
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Just saw Al-jazeera news headlines not mentioned of killing of 9 children and 1 adult by Pakistan.
It means Muslims killed in war by other religion country is a problem, muslims killed in war by Muslim country no problem.
What a hypocrisy
It means Muslims killed in war by other religion country is a problem, muslims killed in war by Muslim country no problem.
What a hypocrisy
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Strikes again in Afghanistan
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Afghanistan was torched again last night?
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Pakistan gets attacked by its own militants… and somehow Afghan women and children end up dead. Not the Taliban. Not any terror group
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They are not own militants... They are TTP..Pakistan gets attacked by its own militants… and somehow Afghan women and children end up dead. Not the Taliban. Not any terror group
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TTP is Pakistan based militant groups.
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Do you know what TTP is??TTP is Pakistan based militant groups.
tehreek-e-taliban Pakistan
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Yes i know very well .who are the TTP and TTA.
I also know who create the Taliban( TTP or TTA ). Who shelter the mujahideen for decades. Sab kuch pta hai muje.
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TTP is Pakistan based militant groups.
Then why is it Indians and Afghans defending them on these forums?
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Who defending the militants , this isn't india policy but Pakistan policy. Pakistan created all these monsters and shelter them but now they are killing own people's. This is result of good terrorist and bad terrorist
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We are exposing hypocrisy of Pakistan..
Why Pakistan is crying on when Israel kills Palestinians? What they are doing now?
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As per reports, Taliban spokesperson told the media that last night, Pakistan carried out airstrikes in Paktia, Khost, and Kunar provinces of Afghanistan. There’s no official statement from Pakistan so far; it may come later. The airstrikes followed a suicide attack on the FC HQ in Peshawar.
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No you aren't, you are only exposing your own hypocrisy, and I have not even mentioned Balochistan yet, where India has also been waging proxy war via terror attacks.
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Again you are derailing this thread
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