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Aman said:
Difference is Umar gets out trying to build momentum, he doesn't get out after handing over the early ascendancy to the opposition.
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Oh man, atleast think before you write.Early ascendency??What is 20-3??

What do want him to do, carry on slogging like Akmal??
 
Arsal_AK said:
Oh man, atleast think before you write.Early ascendency??What is 20-3??

What do want him to do, carry on slogging like Akmal??
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5-1 after 5 overs.

5-1.

5 for 1 after 5 overs.

Get the bowlers off their lengths by attacking them, you don't let them settle and get into their groove :facepalm:
 
Haroon786 said:
The only ones that are delusional are the fans trying to defend Shezhad.
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Give chance to bunch of unproven & overhyped stars before WC. He is the only batsman at top order that is scoring run consistenly since his comeback.
 
Yes he has scored runs but who are you kidding that 80-90 ball 50s are going to win matches ?
 
Been averaging 40 with a strike rate of 73(which is, admittedly, somewhat substandard) with 7 50s and 3 100s from 29 innings ever since his comeback last year. Don't see how his batting is torturous.
 
DW44 said:
Been averaging 40 with a strike rate of 73(which is, admittedly, somewhat substandard) with 7 50s and 3 100s from 29 innings ever since his comeback last year. Don't see how his batting is torturous.
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When you have another 2 tuk tuks it becomes a massive problem.
 
Haroon786 said:
Is that a match winning innings ?
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No, but his other innings definitely are.And these innings are frequently becoming less and less as the time goes on.

The second ODI, I agree he was pathetic, but then was quite good in the first one too.
 
Haroon786 said:
Yes he has scored runs but who are you kidding that 80-90 ball 50s are going to win matches ?
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dude i said it before and i say it again ... he has given the role of anchoring innings which he is trying its best . Other batsman are told to play their natural game or Play aggressively as they like . . .
you don't have to be Einstein to know the strategy It can be shown just by watching cricket
 
Haroon786 said:
Yes he has scored runs but who are you kidding that 80-90 ball 50s are going to win matches ?
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Strike rate around 77 and average around 45, since he started scoring consistently. I know it's not great but good for a Pakistani opener. He needs an attacking opener along with him,that's where the problem lies. Sharjeel is a tried and tested failure,need to replace him.
 
DW44 said:
Been averaging 40 with a strike rate of 73(which is, admittedly, somewhat substandard) with 7 50s and 3 100s from 29 innings ever since his comeback last year. Don't see how his batting is torturous.
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Agreed.Hardly looks torturous, when you consider the mighty fine batting performances of the others in the team.
 
shah_1 said:
Give chance to bunch of unproven & overhyped stars before WC. He is the only batsman at top order that is scoring run consistenly since his comeback.
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In ODIs you can only have one batter striking in the 70s because they are a huge liability, in our team we have 2-3 of these type of players, so we will hardly ever have the chance of chasing big totals with such slack in the batting.
 
Another little fun fact.

Hafeez's strike rate is 72, Misbah's 70.

But throw out the one who has been consistently performing all over the world.
 
Haroon786 said:
In ODIs you can only have one batter striking in the 70s because they are a huge liability, in our team we have 2-3 of these type of players, so we will hardly ever have the chance of chasing big totals with such slack in the batting.
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So sack, the others instead of your best opener in ages.
 
Arsal_AK said:
No, but his other innings definitely are.And these innings are frequently becoming less and less as the time goes on.

The second ODI, I agree he was pathetic, but then was quite good in the first one too.
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Even Tharanga has match winning knocks, the point is thst one good knock followed by 7-8 slow, selfish innings isn't good enough.
 
And as for today, 10 of 20 is okay.Hardly anyone starts with a SR of 100 when the ball is moving all over the place.

He also was looking to score unlike Hafeez who was leaving every ball.
 
Haroon786 said:
In ODIs you can only have one batter striking in the 70s because they are a huge liability, in our team we have 2-3 of these type of players , so we will hardly ever have the chance of chasing big totals with such slack in the batting.
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He should be Misbah that needs to be dropped and play Harris Sohail

41 year old past his prime or 22 year old who has potential to improve?
 
Hafeez is the best all rounder in the world in ODIs.

Misbah is the captain.

The only one to drop is Shezhad.
 
Haroon786 said:
Hafeez is the best all rounder in the world in ODIs.

Misbah is the captain.

The only one to drop is Shezhad.
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This.

Hafeez, Misbah, Shehzad and Fawad.

Far too many slowish players to win anything down under.
 
Haroon786 said:
Hafeez is the best all rounder in the world in ODIs.

Misbah is the captain.

The only one to drop is Shezhad.
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Captain is just not good enough, we have no chance in WC if we persist with Misbah as a captain. Hafeez should be the one captaining Pakistan cricket team.
 
[MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION], at least Fawad and Hafeez end up with faster knocks when they're scoring big, but Shezhad apart from the odd innings is slow, too slow.
 
Haroon786 said:
[MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION], at least Fawad and Hafeez end up with faster knocks when they're scoring big, but Shezhad apart from the odd innings is slow, too slow.
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Yep 100s at a SR of 85 :91:

These days most 100's come at a SR of close to 100, if not more.
 
Very limited and ordinary batsman. Ideally, should be shown the door but unfortunately, he's the best opener we have at the moment.
 
Before calling for him to be dropped, realize that he is only 22 and has 100s in NZ,WI,SA, and Asia.
 
Tbh as limited as he is Pakistan dont have any better openers than him. Jamshed has lost it mentally Sharjeel hasnt impressed. And our other options are TTFs or U-19s. If Shehzad can improve his strike rotation he can become a good opener. But it is a serious flaw he needs to work on.
 
sunnykhan said:
Dhoni's avg is also inflated with lots of not outs..

Right now, Fawad is more valuable than Shehzad.
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yeah dhoni's is also inflated but you think fawad is anywhere close to dhoni...bringing dhoni here is pointless........fawad doesn't impress me, he is a slightly better version of misbah....he won't go far in odis better try him in test matches
 
Haroon786 said:
Umar Akmal is far better than Shahzhad.
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:facepalm::69:... Still there are ppl who think like this...OMG...

Come on guys U.akmal is just another hack like Afridi and u ppl compare him with SRT, Ponting and Kohli :facepalm...

Never say the word "TALENT" again... When u dont have the temperament talent is nothing boss...

Famous quote " Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard"
 
Mamoon said:
Very limited and ordinary batsman. Ideally, should be shown the door but unfortunately, he's the best opener we have at the moment.
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limited and ordinary batsmen cannot score you centuries bro.. and that too in NZ, SA, WI and Asia...You need skill and temperament to achieve such feat....I wish he will score one in AUS during the WC'15...

Come on man... U ppl never bite the ones who doesn't score runs, instead u bite the ones who score runs with S/R of 70-80..

And u want to remove them and replace... Now with the ones who score little runs you achieve 100, 150 and 200.. and without them u will be 50 allout..
 
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sunnykhan said:
I think Shahzaib can be a good partner to Shehzad.
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if they had persisted with him after the T20 WC 2009.. He played a significant role in winning the WC.... Problem with pakistan selectors they dont persist with one person, and they are so generous that they wanna give chance to everyone..
 
Rayyman said:
Before calling for him to be dropped, realize that he is only 22 and has 100s in NZ,WI,SA, and Asia.
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Pakistan team is scoring 300s and 400s in an ODI, so lets remove the ones with lower S/R... :misbah
 
I am neutral on Shehzad.

On a green top either he will stay around (his technique might not work there) but if he does, he will store most of the runs in this team so he can't be really dropped.

On a flat bed he will hamper the run flow ... because batting at 70-75 SR on a motorway won't help us to set huge targets or chase huge targets unless other batsmen play blinders.

So he is average to good batsmen depending on conditions so far.

Of course, he could all change in next 2-3 years and start striking and timing the ball better and decimating attacks and become very good to excellent.

But at the moment, his slow starts on pancakes of wickets don't really help Pakistan when you have 3 other tukkers in the side, like Misbah and Fawad.
 
ok here is a thing , when your resources are limited it makes no sense no complain. with the dearth of talent pakistan is suffering from i don't see anyone replacing him . i'd rather have a man who can face 60 balls and score 40 runs than someone who faces 10 and scores 15 . Yes like all of stupid pakistani batsmen he too throws away his wicket. Parera got him with an in dipper a bowl he could so easily have negotiated and in 3rd odi he threw it away. Some one should request Indian Batsmen to coach them for a while .I remember John Wright grabbing Sehwag by his collar when he got out after getting a start. But i dare say Ahmed is the best opener in Pakistan ,something which is a reflection of miserable state of cricket in pakistan so suck it up and deal with it. Instead ppl shouls vouch for exclusion of Umar Akmal i'd rather have his score 35 in every game than score a 60 and get out on 10 in next match . much like the besharam politicians these cricketers dont learn at all ,bhai khud hi retire hojao !!:misbah:yk:hafeez:afridi!!!!!
 
WTH is wrong with you people? Look at the state Pakistan Cricket is in right now just before the WC with their Batting Order in complete Shatters along with Bowlers going for plenty and not taking wickets, Yet most of you are bragging about dropping/replacing the one decent Batsman that we have produced in the recent years just because of God-Damned Strike Rate. Let me be clear fellas this isn't India and we don't have world class batsmen at our disposal, our middle order is weak and we need to survive first 10 overs and see off the new ball and later consolidate, but then again I would gladly take someone with SR of even 60 and scoring 50 (70) than someone who scores 6 (2) with a SR of 100.
 
DarkLord said:
WTH is wrong with you people? Look at the state Pakistan Cricket is in right now just before the WC with their Batting Order in complete Shatters along with Bowlers going for plenty and not taking wickets, Yet most of you are bragging about dropping/replacing the one decent Batsman that we have produced in the recent years just because of God-Damned Strike Rate. Let me be clear fellas this isn't India and we don't have world class batsmen at our disposal, our middle order is weak and we need to survive first 10 overs and see off the new ball and later consolidate, but then again I would gladly take someone with SR of even 60 and scoring 50 (70) than someone who scores 6 (2) with a SR of 100.
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There is a poster called CricketAnalyst would would take that because he wants 10 other batsmen to do the job instead of the guy who does 6 of 2 balls.

According to him the guy who plays 6 off 2 balls didn't stop the others from scoring so he is a good player.

According to him the guy who strikes 10 of 3 balls in most of the matches is the biggest match winner while the guy who scores 50 off 65 balls has wasted 15 balls which 10 other batsmen could use.

He also thinks not everyone should bat like 6 of 2 balls guy, but only one particular guy should be given that leverage.

He also feels that despite that guy being a repeated failure, where his role is to actually make 30 odd runs but he departs for 31 zeroes and perhaps 100 below 10 scores in his career , he should be kept in the team because of the usefulness of letting others do the scoring when he himself fails.

It's so hard to find such type of batsmen according to CricketAnalyst.

What a true match winner :)
 
nafaiz said:
limited and ordinary batsmen cannot score you centuries bro.. and that too in NZ, SA, WI and Asia...You need skill and temperament to achieve such feat....I wish he will score one in AUS during the WC'15...

Come on man... U ppl never bite the ones who doesn't score runs, instead u bite the ones who score runs with S/R of 70-80..

And u want to remove them and replace... Now with the ones who score little runs you achieve 100, 150 and 200.. and without them u will be 50 allout..
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Hafeez has hundreds in all those places as well barring South Africa. Shehzad is a mediocre batsman like Hafeez and by no means Test class. Don't be deluded into thinking that he's a future great.
 
Name another hack who averages near 40 with a SR of near 90.
 
No torture at all.

Super batsman and we are lucky to have him.

Unlike him to not score a hundred this series.

Expect a ton in AUS series.
 
It's weird to see people criticizing Misbah for his slow SR, but at least he has to consolidate after a collapse, but yet Shezhad is left unscathed without any such dead weight on his shoulders and plods along at 65-70 SR which is more beneficial to the opposition than it is for his own team.
 
Having a SR like Shehzads is fine if you have shown you can score tons which he has.

Misbahs SR is a problem because he throws his wicket away every single game.

Thats the problem.
 
A strike rate like that is not fine whether you are score hundreds or not. Its criminal in this era.
 
And actually it should have been 5 hundreds in wins if it wasn't for your beloved husband Sohail Tanvir who lost us the game from the most winnable position.
 
Bullet Drive said:
Oops you are wrong again.

If this is the case, why are 4 out of his 5 hundreds in wins?

Thanks.
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So his rubbish hundred against Bangladesh in the Asia Cup a match winning effort for you?

Flattest of wicket, tiny boundary, pathetic bowling attack and pathetic fielding, target of 327 and he scored his 50 of 86 balls before departing for 103 of 123 balls which is a really poor effort in the circumstances.

When he came onto bat, required run rate was 6.5 and when he departed, the required run rate was over 10.

One of the worst knocks ever which became a match winning one thanks to Afridi's blaze. This is why stats of match winning/match losing/runs in wins/runs in losses are highly misleading.

Your fan boyism really makes me go 'oops'.
 
Mamoon said:
So his rubbish hundred against Bangladesh in the Asia Cup a match winning effort for you?

Flattest of wicket, tiny boundary, pathetic bowling attack and pathetic fielding, target of 327 and he scored his 50 of 86 balls before departing for 103 of 123 balls which is a really poor effort in the circumstances.

When he came onto bat, required run rate was 6.5 and when he departed, the required run rate was over 10.

One of the worst knocks ever which became a match winning one thanks to Afridi's blaze. This is why stats of match winning/match losing/runs in wins/runs in losses are highly misleading.

Your fan boyism really makes me go 'oops'.
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If you don't rate that knock, you know zilch about cricket and I will not continue with this debate.

If you are putting down a 100 in a match winning cause then you seriously need medical help.
 
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