Ahmed Shehzad vs Ajinkya Rahane : The better future prospect?

[axl100mph]

How am i deluded? Is he better than shehzad in odis and t20s? Did i make any future prediction like you who seems to own some crystal ball?

In odis, t20s both r rubbish, with rahane being the enigma.

ok I wont argue with u on the matter that who is better in the shorter formats but the thing is, u r suggesting that shehz can actually match the indian in the longer format

I would rather say that its u who owns that crystal ball coz shehzad hasnt shown anything that may inspire confidence that he would match or rather even come close to what rahane has achieved in tests.
He is technically very inferior and the difference of quality of the two can seen from the best innings they played in their recent outings in sri lanka.
Compare rahane's 100 to shehz's 60odd that he got inthe 2nd test.
The latter's effort was typically laboured n cumbersome.
Have u seen his foot movt n how fragile he looks with it? Do u think he will be able to survive jimmy n co. In england nxt year with those duckfeet of his.
Heck he couldnt even avoid getting out in the slips on thos flat aussie tracks in the world cup.
Even putting that aside, let me tell u why I think he is rubbish at the odi game(rahane too but for different reasons)
Whenever shehzz has to score quick he does so by premeditating and hardly by good stroke making. This can work against inferior attacks but not against good bowling. With Rahane, u actually get to see cultured shots that r played on the merit of the ball.
There is a reason why shehz got stuck at 60 at a poor strike rate and rahane scored a 100 t as the latter just lacks spontaneity in shot making. Ultimately, he tried to force his way out of the rut by pulling at a ball that was not there to be pulled at.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Greatness in cricket world is decided in test matches.Thats why Yuvi Dhoni Bevan etc are not considered great players.Rahane will be considered a great if he avgs 50 in tests home and away.His poor LOI record wont make much of noise.

But a batsman wont be considered great if he fails in test cricket.

 

[11ShadyBrothers]

In odis, t20s both r rubbish, with rahane being the enigma.

ok I wont argue with u on the matter that who is better in the shorter formats but the thing is, u r suggesting that shehz can actually match the indian in the longer format

I would rather say that its u who owns that crystal ball coz shehzad hasnt shown anything that may inspire confidence that he would match or rather even come close to what rahane has achieved in tests.
He is technically very inferior and the difference of quality of the two can seen from the best innings they played in their recent outings in sri lanka.
Compare rahane's 100 to shehz's 60odd that he got inthe 2nd test.
The latter's effort was typically laboured n cumbersome.
Have u seen his foot movt n how fragile he looks with it? Do u think he will be able to survive jimmy n co. In england nxt year with those duckfeet of his.
Heck he couldnt even avoid getting out in the slips on thos flat aussie tracks in the world cup.
Even putting that aside, let me tell u why I think he is rubbish at the odi game(rahane too but for different reasons)
Whenever shehzz has to score quick he does so by premeditating and hardly by good stroke making. This can work against inferior attacks but not against good bowling. With Rahane, u actually get to see cultured shots that r played on the merit of the ball.
There is a reason why shehz got stuck at 60 at a poor strike rate and rahane scored a 100 t as the latter just lacks spontaneity in shot making. Ultimately, he tried to force his way out of the rut by pulling at a ball that was not there to be pulled at.

I would suggest you to wait till the end of 2016. Your opinions are not facts and just opinions. So are mine. Facts suggest that Shehzad is superior in two formats and rahane is not. End off.

 

[Sandeep]

I would suggest you to wait till the end of 2016. Your opinions are not facts and just opinions. So are mine. Facts suggest that Shehzad is superior in two formats and rahane is not. End off.

Agreed. Shehzad is better than rahane in tests and Lois.

 

[Mamoon]

Rahane is different class to Shehzad. No one rates Shehzad anymore except for his hardcore supporters. It was only in his little purple patch in 2013-2014 that a few people thought that he was the next big thing, since then he has been exposed, especially at the World Cup.

 

[Fahdi]

Rahane!

 

[Dee1990]

Lol how is this thread still going on? Anyone with an ounce of cricketing knowledge will know Rahane is the better batsman.

 

[ChachaCricket]

Absolutely ridiculous comparison. One guy is a world class talent, the other should be booted out of the team soon.

 

[The_KING]

Lol obviously Rahane is miles better than Shehzad

 

[msb314]

I'll reserve my judgement until Shehzad played overseas tests as to whos actually "better" (subjective term since both are in different stages of their development)

Not so long ago - Shehzad did score an important 65 in the 2nd test and a fantastic knock of 95 int he 4th ODI.

 

[Varun]

Rahane hasn't had the best of series in Lanka, then. One good match-winning knock surrounded by some mediocre ones.

 

[11ShadyBrothers]

Rahane hasn't had the best of series in Lanka, then. One good match-winning knock surrounded by some mediocre ones.

Yeah, i noticed that as well. Was waiting till the end of this test to make a comment.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Defo bad series for Rahane except for 1 knock.

 

[Slog]

Rahane is on a different level to Shehzad. (not that Rahane is some potential ATG either)

Shehzad has failed in SL and can count himself lucky that he isnt exposed to Test cricket in SA, England etc.

 

[hussain.r97]

Why is this even a comparison anymore? Rahane is leagues ahead. Can anyone say, with a straight face, that Shehzad is capable of the innings Rahane has produced? Do people honestly believe Shehzad can survive against Boult, Southee and co, or Anderson, Broad and co?

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[Mp812]

Shehzad is the better prospect.
Ajinkya seems to have cleared the propsect hurdly and seems to be in delivering mode now.

 

[Mp812]

Absolutely ridiculous comparison. One guy is a world class talent, the other should be booted out of the team soon.

Why would Ajinkya be booted out. He scored 1 century in SL a series where is supposedly a failure

 

[11ShadyBrothers]

Rahane is on a different level to Shehzad. (not that Rahane is some potential ATG either)

Yeah, i agree that shehzad is on a better level than rahane. \o/

 

[leatherface58]

Rahane is pretty much Laxman-lite. Good enough to average 50+ but not hungry enough.

Will end up averaging in the mid-40s unless he gets hungry enough.

Shehzad is technically inferior to Rahane but he is hungrier and consequently when he scores, it's a massive score. Might end up averaging 40+ with a big difference between averages in UAE and other away locations.

So rather contrasting batsmen and a very interesting comparison.

I would side with Rahane since he has played more clutch knocks but he has some issues to work out.

 

[The_KING]

Lol how can anyone say that Shehzad is better than Rahane? Rahane is miles ahead of Shehzad. Shehzad would be very lucky to score a test century in Australia, England and New Zealand whereas you expect Rahane to score centuries in those conditions. Both are mediocre limited overs players but Rahane is a much better test player.

 

[#GreenRoars]

Both will become better players

 

[Varun]

Rahane getting close to a first test ton in India!

 

[Acricketfan]

Yeah, i agree that shehzad is on a better level than rahane. \o/

I don't know how anyone can take you seriously after posting such non sense.

 

[Professor]

Rahane is scoring runs against South Africa while Shehzad is struggling in a Bangladeshi league.I am pretty sure it's clear who is better at this point,

Bilawal Bhatti to Ahmed Shehzad, OUT, Shehzad's painful innings comes to an end, Back of a length delivery outside off which straightens, he stays on crease and then clears the front leg for a big heave. He definitely timed that but just not able to give that power and not enough height to clear the man at long-off

 

[Diffusion]

Rahane's the next Dravid. Incredible talent.

 

[Suleiman]

Another pakistani player vs x player thread gone wrong. The Pakistani player after the creation of the thread goes through such trials and tribulations that he must ask himself what sin he has comitted to deserve this poor form.

Meanwhile the other player ends up having the best time of his career.

 

[SunTzu]

Shehzad has only ever played in UAE and 4 tests in Sri Lanka. Let's see how he goes next year with the overseas tours and then a judgement can be made. Right now it's only speculation as Shehzad has been quite decent on home tours so far.

 

[SunTzu]

Another pakistani player vs x player thread gone wrong. The Pakistani player after the creation of the thread goes through such trials and tribulations that he must ask himself what sin he has comitted to deserve this poor form.

Meanwhile the other player ends up having the best time of his career.

Haha. Rahane is having a torrid time on these ultra spinning tracks. Has played well this test though, hopefully he get through to a century.

 

[AmirFutureWasim]

shehzad has a better average. People are acting like there is a world of difference between the two.

I do agree after 2016 Rahane will be clearly superior but right now saying that rahane is miles better only feeds the insecurity that runs on non-desi tracks mean more.

I do agree Rahane > Shehzad for the record.

 

[Abdul]

Rahane is class - comparing him with lackluster Shehzad is a joke.

 

[Sachin136]

shehzad has a better average. People are acting like there is a world of difference between the two.

I do agree after 2016 Rahane will be clearly superior but right now saying that rahane is miles better only feeds the insecurity that runs on non-desi tracks mean more.

I do agree Rahane > Shehzad for the record.

It isn't an insecurity, it is a basic fact. Runs away from home in more difficult conditions against better bowlers who are accustomed to those conditions are valued much more, and rightfully so.

A much more important factor in judging batsmen than just batting averages can be seen by just watching them bat. No one can tell me without bias after watching them bat that Rahane isn't miles ahead of Shehzad.

 

[AmirFutureWasim]

It isn't an insecurity, it is a basic fact. Runs away from home in more difficult conditions against better bowlers who are accustomed to those conditions are valued much more, and rightfully so.

A much more important factor in judging batsmen than just batting averages can be seen by just watching them bat. No one can tell me without bias after watching them bat that Rahane isn't miles ahead of Shehzad.

It is an insecurity. For years, New Zealand used to be the epitome of mediocre.

Pakistan used to have Asif, Amir, Shoaib, etc. and people still had the same issue so it is an insecurity to me.

Meanwhile, if Aussie players struggle in India or whatever, they blame the pitches.

I even acknowledged Rahane is better than Shehzad. He will be miles better after 2016 when Shehzad fails dramatically overseas. So far, shehzad hasn't been tested much overseas.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

shehzad has a better average. People are acting like there is a world of difference between the two.

I do agree after 2016 Rahane will be clearly superior but right now saying that rahane is miles better only feeds the insecurity that runs on non-desi tracks mean more.

I do agree Rahane > Shehzad for the record.

This perception should change. While a few years back - India, SL and Pak (when they played at home) produced flat pitches more recently you've seen all 3 venues produce quality pitches that are result oriented. Yet we see runs being scored here as meaningless.

England rate KP's knock in Mumbai highly on a turner while Pujara's century on same pitch doesn't even get a mention when he's talked about.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

It isn't an insecurity, it is a basic fact. Runs away from home in more difficult conditions against better bowlers who are accustomed to those conditions are valued much more, and rightfully so.

A much more important factor in judging batsmen than just batting averages can be seen by just watching them bat. No one can tell me without bias after watching them bat that Rahane isn't miles ahead of Shehzad.

While that is true, the difference isn't a great deal these days with quickies from all over the world getting a decent exposure in India. Most of them spend 2 months on these pitches and know what length to hit on Indian pitches. It isn't exactly as easy for Indian bats at home these days as it was before.

 

[Varun]

Very welcome innings as well, we were under the pump mid-way through yesterday.

 

[IndianWillow]

This perception should change. While a few years back - India, SL and Pak (when they played at home) produced flat pitches more recently you've seen all 3 venues produce quality pitches that are result oriented. Yet we see runs being scored here as meaningless.

England rate KP's knock in Mumbai highly on a turner while Pujara's century on same pitch doesn't even get a mention when he's talked about.

This desi mentality will never change. Whether it be batsmen or bowlers. When MJ routs England at home, the Aussies accept his greatness even though MJ get thrashed when he tours India (averages 40 in India and 52 in SL - averages 40 in Asia over 12 tests). But when it comes to our own batsmen and bowlers, we are harsh judging them exclusively by their overseas performances.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Hard for many Indians to admit but there are things that Shezzy does Rahane cant do even in his dreams.

But I do believe Rahane is a more secure option in test cricket.

 

[Acricketfan]

Hard for many Indians to admit but there are things that Shezzy does Rahane cant do even in his dreams.

But I do believe Rahane is a more secure option in test cricket.

For example ?

 

[Indiafan]

For example ?

The perfect selfie?

 

[Indiafan]

It isn't an insecurity, it is a basic fact. Runs away from home in more difficult conditions against better bowlers who are accustomed to those conditions are valued much more, and rightfully so.

A much more important factor in judging batsmen than just batting averages can be seen by just watching them bat. No one can tell me without bias after watching them bat that Rahane isn't miles ahead of Shehzad.

Meh, runs here would be more valuable than on the flat Aussie wickets. Yet desi will think the later is some amazing feat.

 

[Acricketfan]

For example ?

You're right. [MENTION=3327]Indiafan[/MENTION]

 

[Acricketfan]

Can selfie play an innings like the 2 innings of Rahane in this match ?

 

[Acricketfan]

This thread should be closed, Rahane is miles ahead. Shezad despite being very talented has Pakistani genes which means he will never get anywhere as a batsmen barring the odd sparkle here and there....

And deprive us of the epic lulz ? No.

 

[zabalestmsm]

Who is better in ODIs? Shehzad? Although Rahane has better S/R and just 2 digits behind Shehzad's average!

 

[marlonbrowndo]

In tests its obvious, in odis they both are nothing special though atleast before recently shehzad did not throw away his slow starts. Rahane does

 

[leg-side-flick]

Aww. So, now they need to add another column for rahane in stats, right? The number of wrong decisions against him. Poor rahane, whole world conspiring against him and his indian brothers. PCB kanspiracy!

Yada yada yada. Your opinon = Everyone's opinion? LMAO

Excellent post. Shehzad is younger than rahane and has more in his tank to offer. Lets hope he does well in 2016 to end this argument once and for all.

Do you seriously believe that Shehzad is a better batsman than Rahane ?

 

[ChachaCricket]

This is like comparing Tendulkar with Ramiz. If Rahane doesn't go down as an ATG, he'll have underachieved.

 

[Acricketfan]

Do you seriously believe that Shehzad is a better batsman than Rahane ?

See my signature.

 

[leg-side-flick]

This is like comparing Tendulkar with Ramiz. If Rahane doesn't go down as an ATG, he'll have underachieved.

See my signature.

Strange line of thought... I won't take Shehzad over Rahane...

 

[Slog]

Shehzad is the better prospect.
Ajinkya seems to have cleared the propsect hurdly and seems to be in delivering mode now.

Shehzad made his debut in 2008 FFS. Seven Years!!! He's still a prospect?

 

[leg-side-flick]

Shehzad made his debut in 2008 FFS. Seven Years!!! He's still a prospect?

Some people in my office speak like him to help their non performing under studies get promotions...

 

[ExplicitAI]

Shehzad made his debut in 2008 FFS. Seven Years!!! He's still a prospect?

2009 bro

 

[Suleiman]

This thread rivals the Mustafizur vs M. Amir thread for the worst comparison ever.

Rahane has a higher ceiling and has his career in order. Shehzad has a lot of technical issues to work on. Can he overtake Rahane, let's say 4-10 years down the road? Lol maybe, if Rahane gets hooked on crystal meth and then suffers a sharp decline and Shehzad works on his weak areas. But right now it's not even a contest...

 

[axl100mph]

Shehzad made his debut in 2008 FFS. Seven Years!!! He's still a prospect?

2009 at the age of 16-17 just like his godfather

Despite that, he isnt the player he is/was touted to be.
Had enough natural ability to succeed but unfortunately, he is too big headed to reflect on his deficiencies n improve.

This and that bouncer hit has really cut short, what looked like a promising career, a year or so back

 

[axl100mph]

This thread rivals the Mustafizur vs M. Amir thread for the worst comparison ever.

Rahane has a higher ceiling and has his career in order. Shehzad has a lot of technical issues to work on. Can he overtake Rahane, let's say 4-10 years down the road? Lol maybe, if Rahane gets hooked on crystal meth and then suffers a sharp decline and Shehzad works on his weak areas. But right now it's not even a contest...

Well, lets pray that rahane gets hooked onto the kinda stuff that you had been on recently.
Would infuse some balance in this thread atleast

 

[Acricketfan]

Two hundreds in the match for Rahane !!! Where are you [MENTION=139202]11ShadyBrothers[/MENTION] , [MENTION=56866]Bullet Drive[/MENTION] ?

 

[Varun]

They're still comparable in ODI cricket though...

 

[Nikhil_cric]

In Tests, Rahane all the way. He has scored against strong bowling attacks away and now scored twin hundreds on a turner whereas Shehzad has only scored hundreds on the flatbeds of the UAE against weak bowling attacks.

 

[Belawal2014]

Rahane will come good in LOIs.

 

[11ShadyBrothers]

Shehzad hasnt played the last test series. Rahane was always slightly better than shehzad in tests on the fact that he had scored centuries in away tours and has better average. Not to mention the sample size for shehzad in tests in too small.

Shehzad is still superior in ODIs and t20s (the averages are testament to it) and i feel ashamed after reading some of the pakistani PPers comments. Just on the basis of their personal hatred for shehzad; they are lying too in support of an indian troll.

I find it funny that the trolls are out of the cave after being beaten and thrashed the last time around.

 

[Slog]

In no universe is Shehzad as good as Rahane in tests. Rahane is in a different level

 

[11ShadyBrothers]

In no universe is Shehzad as good as Rahane in tests. Rahane is in a different level

No one ever said this.

Shehzad wipes the floor with rahane in ODIs and t20s.

Thats what i have always and forever maintained.

And btw rahane is not on a different level. Just slightly better.

Kohli is on a different level.

 

[Slog]

No one ever said this.

Shehzad wipes the floor with rahane in ODIs and t20s.

Thats what i have always and forever maintained.

And btw rahane is not on a different level. Just slightly better.

Kohli is on a different level.

Rahane is arguably better in tests than Kohli if you compare overseas records

 

[cricketjoshila]

Shehzad doesnt even get a chance to play tests and ODI for Pakistan.He is that poor.

 

[cricketjoshila]

This thread is perhaps worse than the

Imran Nazir vs Sehwag

Akmal vs Kohli

and such other threads.

 

[Slog]

This thread is perhaps worse than the

Imran Nazir vs Sehwag

Akmal vs Kohli

and such other threads.

No.

Kohli and Sehwag are better than Akmal and Nazir in every imaginable aspect.

All said and done Rahane is overall a mediocre LOI player. So is Shehzad but it's not a clear cut win for either so thread is not as bad

 

[11ShadyBrothers]

I feel offended that an extremely mediocre LOI player like Rahane is being compared to Shehzad. Its equal to Kohli vs Umar Akmal thread.

 

[cricketjoshila]

No.

Kohli and Sehwag are better than Akmal and Nazir in every imaginable aspect.

All said and done Rahane is overall a mediocre LOI player. So is Shehzad but it's not a clear cut win for either so thread is not as bad

The difference in their Test performance is at such a different level that there can hardly be any comparision.

Ahmed Shehzad cant even make it to Pakistan ODI side,which itself has poor batting line up.Imagine how poor Shehzad is then.

 

[Varun]

All said and done Rahane is overall a mediocre LOI player. So is Shehzad but it's not a clear cut win for either so thread is not as bad

The thread was begun with a bunch of stats that were very comparable back in the day.

 

[LegendAli]

I feel offended that an extremely mediocre LOI player like Rahane is being compared to Shehzad. Its equal to Kohli vs Umar Akmal thread.

This has to be sarcasm, while Rahane is indeed a mediocre LOI player, he's actually still much better than Shehzad.

 

[hussain.r97]

This thread is a joke.

 

[Acricketfan]

No one ever said this.

Shehzad wipes the floor with rahane in ODIs and t20s.

Thats what i have always and forever maintained.

And btw rahane is not on a different level. Just slightly better.

Kohli is on a different level.

Really ?

In ODIs , both average in the 30s with strike rate in the 70s

In T20s , both average in the 20s with strike rate in 110s.

But but but Shehzad wipes the floor with Rahane in Odis and T20s.

Do you switch off your brain when you log into Pakpassion ?

Oh and why don't you mention me directly by name so that i know you're talking about me ?

 

[zabalestmsm]

Regardless of stats, one thing I like about Shehzad is that he has guts and he has shown some special glimpses of gutsiness! If only he was gutsy most of the times, his stats would have been even better! His gutsiness is mostly hidden!

 

[Aman]

Rahane is a world class Test batsmen, Shehzad hasn't ever been considered world class in any format.

 

[Aman]

This thread is a joke.

It may get up there with the Umar Akmal and Tendulkar comparisons.

Depends on how Rahane goes from here.

 

[Aman]

I'll reserve my judgement until Shehzad played overseas tests as to whos actually "better" (subjective term since both are in different stages of their development)

Not so long ago - Shehzad did score an important 65 in the 2nd test and a fantastic knock of 95 int he 4th ODI.

You still need to reserve judgment? Rahane has scored runs everywhere he has played...

 

[Aman]

Rahane is arguably better in tests than Kohli if you compare overseas records

Rahane is a better Test batsmen than Kohli full stop. You don't need to bring up home and away records.

 

[leg-side-flick]

No one ever said this.

Shehzad wipes the floor with rahane in ODIs and t20s.

Thats what i have always and forever maintained.

And btw rahane is not on a different level. Just slightly better.

Kohli is on a different level.

I doubt know what you are thinking...

Shehzad is not a better one day player than Rahane, I don't think he will even make it to current Indian XI..

As for tests, Rahane is on a totally different level, he is better than Kohli as well and actually as you would say, "wipes the floor with Shehzad there"....

If Misbah or Younis don't do well in England or Australia next year, then i think it won't be a exaggeration to say that Rahane is the best current test batsman in sub continent...

 

[FlickedOffHips]

i wouldn't write off shehzad. he's just turned 24. he's got plenty of time to work things out and put it all together.

rahane though is clearly ahead. his recent domination in ipl also shows that he has the game to be a top class one day player too. elegant and swashbuckling with seemingly minimal risk or effort.

it is easy to get carried away but there is no reason he can't go on to become the next indian great. probably not in sachin or dravid's category but not far behind.

 

[hussain.r97]

2016 will be a real eye opener for [MENTION=139202]11ShadyBrothers[/MENTION]