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Ahmed Shehzad vs Ajinkya Rahane : The better future prospect?

Frank Underwood said:
Every time you post anything, it is always some Pakistan v India narrative and how India > Pakistan. Why can't more of you be less defensive and objective like [MENTION=134809]sensible-indian-fan[/MENTION]
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First this thread is about Shehzad vs Rahane so i dont know what i ahouod post if not compare them.

Second please dont tell me what to post and what not to.I am not here to copy anyone or be like anyone else.You are free to ignore my posts and read those that please you.

Thank you.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Sir you are free to report any offensive posts to the MODs.
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Fair enough.

You know what you're doing.

You know you post here just to show that India > Pakistan.

We know they are, and everyone knows Rahane > Shehzad in tests. Not one person argued that. You just had to throw that in to once again show the same narrative.

You want to continue the political battle, then don't post here where it is a liberal environment where everyone, Pakistani, Indian, Sri Lankan, Bangali, all try to get along and not try and fight as our governments do.

Every time you post it is, "But this Indian > Pakistani!!" even if it is unrelated to the topic, even if not one person mentioned it. You have some insecurity issues clearly.

It is as though any criticism of an Indian is followed with some sort of retort to bring down Pakistan.
 
cricketjoshila said:
First this thread is about Shehzad vs Rahane so i dont know what i ahouod post if not compare them.

Second please dont tell me what to post and what not to.I am not here to copy anyone or be like anyone else.You are free to ignore my posts and read those that please you.

Thank you.
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And once again, not one person was discussing the test merits. It was a known fact, so you had to throw it in for your nonsense as per the norm.
 
Frank Underwood said:
And once again, not one person was discussing the test merits. It was a known fact, so you had to throw it in for your nonsense as per the norm.
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Ummm someone in a Shehzad vs Rahane thread posted Rahane's ODI failures i posted his test success.Please if you find it offensive report that post.
 
Frank Underwood said:
Fair enough.

You know what you're doing.

You know you post here just to show that India > Pakistan.

We know they are, and everyone knows Rahane > Shehzad in tests. Not one person argued that. You just had to throw that in to once again show the same narrative.

You want to continue the political battle, then don't post here where it is a liberal environment where everyone, Pakistani, Indian, Sri Lankan, Bangali, all try to get along and not try and fight as our governments do.

Every time you post it is, "But this Indian > Pakistani!!" even if it is unrelated to the topic, even if not one person mentioned it. You have some insecurity issues clearly.

It is as though any criticism of an Indian is followed with some sort of retort to bring down Pakistan.
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Sir please report my offensive posts to MODS.I am sure that in my 4 years and 12000 odd posts the MODs know what i am posting.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Ummm someone in a Shehzad vs Rahane thread posted Rahane's ODI failures i posted his test success.Please if you find it offensive report that post.
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Exactly. There is no correlation for the two. You keep proving my point.

It's stating the obvious. If I say something so blatantly obvious, it is simply a means to bring down the other for no reason other than to resort to superiority in another way.
 
I like shehzad though, but he is too cocky for his talent. Need to play some county, and should look to take more singles. His technique against spinner is appalling, and not acceptable at all.

While Rahane is a treat to watch. Has good technique and everything. But he seems to me a little timid,should play with more surety and confidence. But for me he is not an ODI player , and is made for test Cricket only. Also not entirely convinced with his technique against spinning ball in test Cricket. Otherwise a terrific test player.
 
Frank Underwood said:
Fair enough.

You know what you're doing.

You know you post here just to show that India > Pakistan.

We know they are, and everyone knows Rahane > Shehzad in tests. Not one person argued that. You just had to throw that in to once again show the same narrative.

You want to continue the political battle, then don't post here where it is a liberal environment where everyone, Pakistani, Indian, Sri Lankan, Bangali, all try to get along and not try and fight as our governments do.

Every time you post it is, "But this Indian > Pakistani!!" even if it is unrelated to the topic, even if not one person mentioned it. You have some insecurity issues clearly.

It is as though any criticism of an Indian is followed with some sort of retort to bring down Pakistan.
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Joshila bhai has a history of being overly zealous with his nationalism. He simply cant tolerate any criticism of Bharat or an Indian even if that is legitimate criticism he will deflect the point by bringing Pakistan into it or some other unrelated point. He is always ultra defensive and comes to the defence of Mother India. A true patriot
 
Seriously i dont get why Rahane has such a garbage record in ODIS. He has a proper solid technique. Has a good array of attacking strokes. Good at finding the gaps in the field rotates the strike well. He cant slog but Amla cant too and he is a world class ODI batsman (in bilaterals).
 
Shehzad is a one dimensional block or blast typical Pak batsman. He cant rotate the strike is poor vs spin and has a loose technique. He is better at slogging once hes well set but that rarely happens. Odd to see him and rahane have such similar ODI records.
 
It was a really good knock by Rahane, he scored 44 under pressure, he couldn't find the boundaries, hitting the ball straight to the fielders, what a brilliant knock that was. Loved every moment of that knock, what a choke. :mj
 
Rahane has really under-performed in his ODI career so far. He gives it away after getting off to starts which is so unlike him given his Test record. I feel he's more of an opener in ODIs but I highly doubt he'll be breaking the Dhawan/Rohit partnership anytime soon and neither should he based on his performances. He might well be one of those players that are brilliant in one format but struggle in the other. Another Laxman, maybe?
 
Adil_94 said:
Seriously i dont get why Rahane has such a garbage record in ODIS. He has a proper solid technique. Has a good array of attacking strokes. Good at finding the gaps in the field rotates the strike well. He cant slog but Amla cant too and he is a world class ODI batsman (in bilaterals).
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No he doesnt
 
Rahane will leave Shehzad in his dust if he opens in ODIs. Simply a vastly superior batsman at all levels.
 
At No 4, Rahane is a predominantly garbage ODI batsman.

Can produce great innings at No 4 but too rarely.

He either should open or be thrown out and asked to work on his game.

Kedhar Jadhav succeeded in Aus yet wasn't even picked for Eng ODI series squad.

Has a list Average of 47 with 100+ SR.

Bossed bowlers last IPL.
Clucth player who produced great knocks in the Aus A quadrangular cup in Aus which we won.

But he doesn't picked.

Rayudu gets.

:facepalm:
 
Rahane's far too talented for it to not click for him in ODI's as well. A few seasons of IPL cricket as an opener and I think he'll be grand.
 
rahane is a waste of a talent down the order ... he doesn't have the strength to demolish attacks should be used much like rahul dravid at 1 down or to open he can definitely do a better job at opening than rohit sharma ... though rohit has had some massive innings i feel he puts himself and his team under a lot of pressure a lot of the time and like many west indian batsman once settled and on his day would destroy oppositions but his days are too rare
 
Technically better than Shehzad, so that advantage will only widen over time, especially is Shehzad refuses to learn.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
At No 4, Rahane is a predominantly garbage ODI batsman.

Can produce great innings at No 4 but too rarely.

He either should open or be thrown out and asked to work on his game.

Kedhar Jadhav succeeded in Aus yet wasn't even picked for Eng ODI series squad.

Has a list Average of 47 with 100+ SR.

Bossed bowlers last IPL.
Clucth player who produced great knocks in the Aus A quadrangular cup in Aus which we won.

But he doesn't picked.

Rayudu gets.

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How is Rahane in List A back in India. Is he one of the best or a Dravid style batsman
 
Some excerpts from a Rahane interview from Cricinfo reveal just how dedicated this guy is. Not only does he have raw talent, he constantly talks about preparation and specifically, preparing for specific conditions:

The most important and satisfying thing for me before every tour is the preparation. I prepared well for each of these tours.

Q:What were these preparations you talk about?

Before the South African tour, where the pitches have bounce and pace, I practised with wet rubber balls on cement wickets and AstroTurf. I took throwdowns from 15 yards to get my hand-eye coordination correct and also react quickly with my hands. Before England I faced a plastic ball initially, as that ball swings more. I also taped half of the tennis ball to make one side heavy, so there would be reverse swing. It was the same for New Zealand. For Australia, where the pitches and conditions are similar to South Africa, my preparation was the same.

My favourite shots are the straight drive and the cover drive, in Tests and T20 cricket. In Australia and South Africa, the cut and pull are better options. In England and New Zealand it is better to play the drives closer to the pitch of the ball, because the bowlers are trying to lure you into playing wider drives.

Q:playing the situation is the biggest test for any cricketer. What is your first impulse when you arrive at the crease?

I try to play in the present by focusing ball by ball - at least for the first 15 minutes. After that I look to dominate. Scoring runs is very important, even in Test cricket. In that first interval when I am going one ball at a time I am reading the situation, understanding the nature of the pitch, the bounce and the pace, and accordingly I adapt my game and mindset.
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On his assault on Mitchell Johnson in Melbourne:

The way you attacked Mitchell Johnson during your 147 in Melbourne last year was one of most enthralling innings of attacking play in Test cricket. Tell us about your thought process at the time.
My mindset was already aggressive in the dressing room. Even before I went in to bat I was visualising which areas I wanted to hit Johnson and the kind of shots. My conversation with Virat [Kohli] was on the same lines: we will not give them any opportunity to get aggressive with us; instead we will be more aggressive against them. Whichever ball I found in my areas, I backed my instincts. Once I got set I told Virat, "Now I am going to attack. Even if Johnson bowls bouncers, let us go for shots instead of waiting." It was important to score fast runs because we wanted to win the Test. By playing aggressively we wanted to tell them we have come here to win and we don't want to settle for a draw. That partnership with Virat was memorable.
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Also some very interesting questions on his approach in his awesome greentop hundred at Lord's:

It was a challenging wicket to bat on. My plan initially was to play as close to my body as possible and leave balls. But when we were 140 for 7 at tea [on the first afternoon] I just decided I would play my shots because runs would be very crucial on this wicket. I told Bhuvi [Bhuvneshwar Kumar] I am going to play shots, you back your game, but try and rotate the strike. I said I will take on Anderson and we will aim to score close to 300 by the end of the day. I knew that 300-320 would be a winning total on that track. We scored 295 and we won that Test. But that decision and risk we took in between was really crucial. At the time I did not know what was going to happen, but in that moment I trusted myself and ability and it clicked.

Q:When Anderson returned with the second new ball, you basically charged him, making 27 runs off 22 balls. Did you expect him to bowl where he did?
I backed my instincts and I got the feeling he would bowl that kind of line and length. And what I was thinking was actually happening that day. I just told Bhuvneshwar to support me from the other end, I will play my shots, and if I can push them on the back foot today, tomorrow the situation could be different.

Q:When do you get the confidence that you can go for your shots?

When I was on 29-odd, I just got the feeling: if I take these guys on, they will be on the back foot. I knew the new ball was coming, so I knew runs would come before the new ball and after it was taken. That confidence mentally came to me when Bhunveshwar responded positively. He just told me: Whatever you feel, you back your game. I am standing at the other end. I will rotate the strike and give it back to you, and if I feel like playing the shots, I will also play them.
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He also openly admits humbly that his ODI game hasn't matured yet, but as is obvious to anyone with a brain, he's improving:

You have not been able to bring the same kind of consistency and intensity to your one-day cricket as in Tests.
It is all about time. I feel my time is yet to come. In one-day cricket I admit that consistency has not come, but my game and game awareness have improved a lot. I like to keep my role simple whether I am opening or playing in the middle order. When I am opening I try and take my time. Facing the new ball you have the opportunity to get settled and make a big score. While playing in the middle order the plan is to rotate the strike with the odd boundary. But with five fielders inside the circle, strike rotation has become more challenging, even if your chances of hitting a boundary have increased. So I focus in the nets, I try to work out options to find the gaps and the singles.
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Some very interesting other answers in the interview here: http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/868123.html

It's easy to see the difference between Shehzad and Rahane. One is constantly trying to improve himself, repeatedly seeks advice from his seniors, and admits his shortcomings humbly. Love this guy. Easily my favourite young batsman right now. :)
 
Rahane is very likable as a player. His personality will see to it that his ODI game improves along with his ability in tests. I don't think that is the case with Shehzad, so while there might be grounds for comparing right of this moment, in a couple of years Rahane will be a better player so there won't be a comparison.
 
Well Rahane has Sachin to help out in Mumbai Dravid in RR Fletcher also in National set up.

Shehzad seems only Afridi to look up for
 
Adil_94 said:
When ive seen him in the zone in ODIs or in Tests ive seen him rotate the strike well. But a lot of the team he gets bogged down too. Its bizarre
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Exactly.How beautifully he did that Vs SA and then compare it with his innings Vs Bangladesh.
I think he is confused as to what his role is in the Odi team.Repeatedly being switched from opening to No. 4 has affected his approach and stats as well.

Ideally, he should be opening and should try to follow the Amla model.
Rohit being the best striker/hitter/slogger in the team can replace him at No.4.Would also solve our lower order hitting issues to some extent.
Not going to happen anytime soon though.
 
fringe playa said:
Exactly.How beautifully he did that Vs SA and then compare it with his innings Vs Bangladesh.
I think he is confused as to what his role is in the Odi team.Repeatedly being switched from opening to No. 4 has affected his approach and stats as well.

Ideally, he should be opening and should try to follow the Amla model.
Rohit being the best striker/hitter/slogger in the team can replace him at No.4.Would also solve our lower order hitting issues to some extent.
Not going to happen anytime soon though.
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Rohit was a terrible failure at 4 over 100 Odis .Has been arguably the best opener nearly averaging 50 since he switched to opening .
There is no need to mess with him now
 
fringe playa said:
Exactly.How beautifully he did that Vs SA and then compare it with his innings Vs Bangladesh.
I think he is confused as to what his role is in the Odi team.Repeatedly being switched from opening to No. 4 has affected his approach and stats as well.

Ideally, he should be opening and should try to follow the Amla model.
Rohit being the best striker/hitter/slogger in the team can replace him at No.4.Would also solve our lower order hitting issues to some extent.
Not going to happen anytime soon though.
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That is what I have been thinking too. Rahane is not a big hitter (as yet) in ODIs, so he should not be wasted in the middle order. His technique and skills (better than Rohit and Dhawan for sure) will surely ensure survival as an opener anywhere in the world, and he will also build a strong foundation for the middle order. With experience, he could turn into a dangerous and aggressive opener as well.
 
BeautifulGame said:
Rohit was a terrible failure at 4 over 100 Odis .Has been arguably the best opener nearly averaging 50 since he switched to opening .
There is no need to mess with him now
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As I said, not anytime soon.But things can change very quickly in cricket and I dont see why the above scenario cannot materialize in the next 1-2 years.

Dhoni is on his last legs and there are going to be a lot of options to look at once he retires.

No.4 is the most crucial position in our batting line-up.If supremely talented players like Rohit and Rahane have been unable to produce desired results in such a long time, I dont know which player from India is capable of doing it.
Remember ?? Yuvi had a very ordinary record in his first 100 matches.

But yeah, no need to mess with him now.However, definitely a possibility in future.
 
Looking good is Rahane!

This is the part where he'll show everyone how good he is on spinning decks as well.
 
People love to compare apple with oranges. another epic failure thread. Rahane class apart.
 
A poor comparison to begin with. Shehzad wasn't, isn't and never will be anywhere near Rahane's caliber. The first few pages of this thread are laughable to say the least.

Having said that, scoring 98 in a Test vs. Bangladesh has no significance, so this latest bump is uncalled for.
 
It actually is worth a bump.

Apart from being class apart from Shahzad, Rahane is one of the most unselfish players he showed that today. Trying to accelerate and playing for boundaries even in 90's and got out 2 runs short of a century.

While Shahzad's stubbornness to consume a lot of dot balls and getting out at wrong time to end up with 40(70) score is anything but unselfish. The less talk about his interviews and twitter account, the better it is.
 
Stallion__ said:
It actually is worth a bump.

Apart from being class apart from Shahzad, Rahane is one of the most unselfish players he showed that today. Trying to accelerate and playing for boundaries even in 90's and got out 2 runs short of a century.

While Shahzad's stubbornness to consume a lot of dot balls and getting out at wrong time to end up with 40(70) score is anything but unselfish. The less talk about his interviews and twitter account, the better it is.
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I believe that is Shehzad's inability, not selfishness. He is not good enough which is why he cannot score runs without consuming too many dot deliveries and taking 70-80 deliveries to bat fluently.

He is a poor timer of the ball and lacks the deft touch, he will not be able to score good runs if he bats at a high tempo.

The only reason why he managed to average 37-38 in ODIs in the last two years was because he batted at unacceptable SR for 72. Ask him to bat at 85-90 and that average would drop down to 30-31, which sums up his caliber and which is why Azhar has been so good so far.

In Tests, he is a decent option because for all his faults, he knows how to occupy the crease and has good conversion rate. Obviously that accounts for nothing if he does not improve his attitude.
 
Mamoon said:
I believe that is Shehzad's inability, not selfishness. He is not good enough which is why he cannot score runs without consuming too many dot deliveries and taking 70-80 deliveries to bat fluently.

He is a poor timer of the ball and lacks the deft touch, he will not be able to score good runs if he bats at a high tempo.

The only reason why he managed to average 37-38 in ODIs in the last two years was because he batted at unacceptable SR for 72. Ask him to bat at 85-90 and that average would drop down to 30-31, which sums up his caliber and which is why Azhar has been so good so far.

In Tests, he is a decent option because for all his faults, he knows how to occupy the crease and has good conversion rate. Obviously that accounts for nothing if he does not improve his attitude.
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Well I believe rotating strike is more of a habit than ability which he has never adopted. He looks very content with what he does and I don't think that he even realize or try to rotate strike.

Shahzad century against SA in 2013 actually is a good example when he rotated the strike effectively making more than 50% of his runs without boundaries despite early loss of wickets. But he has never looked to do that on consistent basis since then.

It was a same issue with Azhar Ali before he was in ODI team that he don't rotate strike enough. But he has shown some intent in doing that and has been successful.

There is a prominent difference in Azhar's and Shahzad's approach. Both are not naturally good in rotating strike. But with Azhar, you can sense, he has developed a habit of shuffling across and creating singles, and when he times one straight to a fielder, there is a visible disappointment on his face. While with Shahzad, he has never showed that will, and has played out maidens without much concern.

Some of the WI players like Samuels and Gayle do have that problem, but they are power strikers of ball unlike Shahzad and can make up for that once they get set. While Shahzad don't have such range of shots to balance out his strike rate once he gets set. So ideally, he should have focused more on singles and doubles which he has never done.

Its not the same case as with Misbah. By the time Misbah was at crease, the priority changes from maximizing the score to bat out 50 overs so its understandable in his case.
 
Rahane is definitely head and shoulders above Shehzad in Tests, but in ODIs Rahane hasn't done too many substantial things yet (although Shehzad is quite mediocre in ODIs too)
 
Rahane should have come in at 3 instead of No hit. Anyone but no hit.

Damn. These sharmas will one day screw Indian cricket pretty badly.
 
Acricketfan said:
Rahane should have come in at 3 instead of No hit. Anyone but no hit.

Damn. These sharmas will one day screw Indian cricket pretty badly.
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Rohit doesn't even play at 3 for Mumbai, in fact Rahane does. It makes sense to push up Rahane now that Pujara is out due to poor form.

Unless the team management is using Rohit at 3 to see if he can open in tests in case Dhawan/Rahul flop. While saving the spot for Pujara who can make a come-back when the team management thinks he's sorted out his chinks.

If the thinking is any different or if they really believe Rohit could become a no.3 bat. I might as well stop watching Indian test cricket, cant endure another round of humiliation in tests.
 
Mamoon said:
A poor comparison to begin with. Shehzad wasn't, isn't and never will be anywhere near Rahane's caliber. The first few pages of this thread are laughable to say the least.

Having said that, scoring 98 in a Test vs. Bangladesh has no significance, so this latest bump is uncalled for.
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Actually now days Bengladesh fans consider their team as top team...on par with Australia . So in that regard 98 might be a superb innings...(lets ignore Rahanes knocks in Eng/SA/Aus for time bieng) :))
 
Cricfan4eva said:
Rohit doesn't even play at 3 for Mumbai, in fact Rahane does. It makes sense to push up Rahane now that Pujara is out due to poor form.

Unless the team management is using Rohit at 3 to see if he can open in tests in case Dhawan/Rahul flop. While saving the spot for Pujara who can make a come-back when the team management thinks he's sorted out his chinks.

If the thinking is any different or if they really believe Rohit could become a no.3 bat. I might as well stop watching Indian test cricket, cant endure another round of humiliation in tests.
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Every fan feels that (barring some rare breed of Rohit fans).

You just know he is train wreak.
 
Rahane has lost India the last two ODI's single handedly. Cost them the World Cup SF and today a loss to Bdesh.

Shehzad averages more then Rahane in EVERY single format.
 
Bullet Drive said:
Rahane has lost India the last two ODI's single handedly. Cost them the World Cup SF and today a loss to Bdesh.

Shehzad averages more then Rahane in EVERY single format.
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Ahmed Shehzad isnt fit to tie Rahane's you know in test matches.Rahane avgs 45 plus away from Asia.
 
Shehzad in test: 47
Rahane in test: 45

Shehzad in ODI: 34
Rahane in ODI: 30

Even in t20s Shehzad is higher but who cares about them
 
Rahane at number 4 is not going to work. if they can't find a place for him as an opener, they'd be better off trying someone else at this position.
 
Mamoon said:
Rahane at number 4 is not going to work. if they can't find a place for him as an opener, they'd be better off trying someone else at this position.
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Yet you propose for shafiq in our team when he is a significantly poorer version of rahane.

Well, what can we say. I guess this is what happens when u have a man crush on someone
 
11ShadyBrothers said:
On what basis you say that? I think rahane isnt fit to even be Shehzad's malish wala going by FACTS unlike opinion of some joshila.
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Rahane avgs 45 plus outside Asia in test matches.How much does Shehzad avg outside of UAE?Shehzad avgs 21 outside UAE.

Rahane avgs 50.73 away from India.

What facts are you talking about sir?
 
axl100mph said:
Yet you propose for shafiq in our team when he is a significantly poorer version of rahane.

Well, what can we say. I guess this is what happens when u have a man crush on someone
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We did try Babar and he did well, so now he should play ahead of Asad in the next few series. It is easy to say that kick players out who are not performing, but you have to identify replacements first.

Both Pakistani and India are carrying non-performing players like Asad and Rahane simply because they are not enough suitable alternatives, and they think they might come good eventually because they are good batsmen.

Just like we are carrying Junaid now, because the alternatives are Anwar, Bhatti, Imran Jr., etc.

Unfortunately everyone on PP is a selector.
 
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11ShadyBrothers said:
On what basis you say that? I think rahane isnt fit to even be Shehzad's malish wala going by FACTS unlike opinion of some joshila.
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Let shehzad complete an overseas cycle before beating your chest.
Rahane has been the best subcontinental batsman on overseas tours for the past 1and a half year.
He has maintained a 45 avg despite playing all his tests overseas.
I don't expect that from :shehzad
 
Bullet Drive said:
Shehzad in test: 47
Rahane in test: 45

Shehzad in ODI: 34
Rahane in ODI: 30

Even in t20s Shehzad is higher but who cares about them
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Rahane 47 in tests not 45.Stop telling lies please.And he avgs 50.73 away from home.

Shehzad avgs 21.50 away from home.

Btw i clearly mentioned Tests,why do you bring ODIS?

And when you do bring ODIs you forget that Shehzad has a SR of 72 in ODIs despite being an opener.

I repeat

Ahmed Shehzad isnt fit to tie Rahane's you know in test matches.Rahane avgs 45 plus away from Asia.
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cricketjoshila said:
Rahane avgs 45 plus outside Asia in test matches.How much does Shehzad avg outside of UAE?Shehzad avgs 21 outside UAE.

Rahane avgs 50.73 away from India.

What facts are you talking about sir?
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I am talking about facts which bullet drive posted. You can narrow them down to suit your agenda but currently Shehzad wipes the floor with rahane in two formats at least clearly. And by 2016 your away filter (the only justification you have for rahane) will be resolved too.
 
Mamoon said:
We did try Babar and he did well, so now he should play ahead of Asad in the next few series. It is easy to say that kick players out who are not performing, but you have to identify replacements first.

Both Pakistani and India are carrying non-performing players like Asad and Rahane simply because they are not enough suitable alternatives, and they think they might come good eventually because they are good batsmen.

Just like we are carrying Junaid now, because the alternatives are Anwar, Bhatti, Imran Jr., etc.

Unfortunately everyone on PP is a selector.
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I still saw u mentioning Asad in your proposed squad.:69:
The guy is a poor timer, struggles to rotate strike n has no power. What utility can such a player bring to an ODI lineup when it already lacks dynamism?

On one hand u call shehzad a poor timer, when easily he is more dynamic than shafiq papa, can improvise better and is a much better player of fast bowling.
Have u ever seen, how Asad trys to pull a spinner, let alone a pacer?

I m no shehzad fan, bug qualitatively, he is way superior to Asad.
The difference was clear in that ODI against nz where we scored 360 odd when they both batted together, with shehzad doing the bulk of the scoring, meanwhile shafiq as usual, struggled to get anything away.
And yes, at that time, spinners were bowling n shafiq is supposed to be a good player of spin unlike shehzad, according to pp experts
 
axl100mph said:
Let shehzad complete an overseas cycle before beating your chest.
Rahane has been the best subcontinental batsman on overseas tours for the past 1and a half year.
He has maintained a 45 avg despite playing all his tests overseas.
I don't expect that from :shehzad
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I dont understand. If a cricketer is good at home is he automatically awful on away tours and do home performances not matter at all? An indian chest beating on away records is an irony in itself.
 
11ShadyBrothers said:
I am talking about facts which bullet drive posted. You can narrow them down to suit your agenda but currently Shehzad wipes the floor with rahane in two formats at least clearly. And by 2016 your away filter (the only justification you have for rahane) will be resolved too.
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First of all i mentioned only tests in my post so ODI stats are moot.

Secondly Rahane avgs 47 in tests not 45 as Bullet Drive lied.

Rahane avgs 47 in tests despite playing only 1 test at home.and avgs 50.73 away.

Shehzad avgs 47.86 in tests despite playing most of his tests in UAE and avgs 21.56 away.

Rahane wipes the floor with Shehzad in test match cricket.

If you are expecting Shehzad to avg more than Rahane away from home then you are expecting Shehzad to be better than Miandad or Inzy because even they didnt avg 50 away from homr.
 
axl100mph said:
I still saw u mentioning Asad in your proposed squad.:69:
The guy is a poor timer, struggles to rotate strike n has no power. What utility can such a player bring to an ODI lineup when it already lacks dynamism?

On one hand u call shehzad a poor timer, when easily he is more dynamic than shafiq papa, can improvise better and is a much better player of fast bowling.
Have u ever seen, how Asad trys to pull a spinner, let alone a pacer?

I m no shehzad fan, bug qualitatively, he is way superior to Asad.
The difference was clear in that ODI against nz where we scored 360 odd when they both batted together, with shehzad doing the bulk of the scoring, meanwhile shafiq as usual, struggled to get anything away.
And yes, at that time, spinners were bowling n shafiq is supposed to be a good player of spin unlike shehzad, according to pp experts
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No need of banging your head against the wall.

If Shehzad decides to compete for the middle-order spot, I would select him. We are short of numbers in the middle order - Misbah, Younis gone, Maqsood has injury problems and Fawad is out of favor as well, so we have no option but select Asad in the squad.

If you look at my proposed squad yesterday, I have him on the bench and not in the playing XI, and have both Umar and Maqsood in the squad.

We simply don't have enough middle-order batsmen, and that's probably the case with India as well. If Shafiq and Rahane don't deliver, they will eventually be filtered out.
 
11ShadyBrothers said:
I dont understand. If a cricketer is good at home is he automatically awful on away tours and do home performances not matter at all? An indian chest beating on away records is an irony in itself.
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Shehzad has played away and has done nothing.

Very Good Indian batsmen have a good away record as well.They are not HTBs like Shehzad.
 
11ShadyBrothers said:
I dont understand. If a cricketer is good at home is he automatically awful on away tours and do home performances not matter at all? An indian chest beating on away records is an irony in itself.
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No they do matter but if u r to compare two players then we have to see how they go in conditions that r foreign to them.
This is why I want u to reserve ur judgement for now.
From what I have seen of shehzad, he has no foot movt which doesn't auger well for an overseas assignment.
We saw this weakness getting exposed at the world cup n I fear it will esurface again.
 
cricketjoshila said:
First of all i mentioned only tests in my post so ODI stats are moot.

Secondly Rahane avgs 47 in tests not 45 as Bullet Drive lied.

Rahane avgs 47 in tests despite playing only 1 test at home.and avgs 50.73 away.

Shehzad avgs 47.86 in tests despite playing most of his tests in UAE and avgs 21.56 away.

Rahane wipes the floor with Shehzad in test match cricket.

If you are expecting Shehzad to avg more than Rahane away from home then you are expecting Shehzad to be better than Miandad or Inzy because even they didnt avg 50 away from homr.
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I don't like Shehzad and I am not even backing him but can you mention which Test Shehzad played away he has only played 8 Test matches and I don't seem to remember which away Test he played
 
axl100mph said:
I still saw u mentioning Asad in your proposed squad.:69:
The guy is a poor timer, struggles to rotate strike n has no power. What utility can such a player bring to an ODI lineup when it already lacks dynamism?

On one hand u call shehzad a poor timer, when easily he is more dynamic than shafiq papa, can improvise better and is a much better player of fast bowling.
Have u ever seen, how Asad trys to pull a spinner, let alone a pacer?

I m no shehzad fan, bug qualitatively, he is way superior to Asad.
The difference was clear in that ODI against nz where we scored 360 odd when they both batted together, with shehzad doing the bulk of the scoring, meanwhile shafiq as usual, struggled to get anything away.
And yes, at that time, spinners were bowling n shafiq is supposed to be a good player of spin unlike shehzad, according to pp experts
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One more thing, when selectors select a squad, they make a pool of players according to their roles: openers, middle-order batsmen, all-rounders, wicket-keepers, pacers and spinners.

Then they jot down names of players in each category, and select them accordingly.

Asad and Shehzad's selection have nothing to do with one another, they are not mutually exclusive. Shehzad has done better than Asad in ODIs without any doubt but he is competing with different batsmen, and if he loses out to them and it has no bearing on Asad's selection.

If I ask you to draw a pool of middle-order batsmen in Pakistan, you will not be able to look beyond Asad either simply because we don't have enough batsmen in that category.
 
cricketjoshila said:
First of all i mentioned only tests in my post so ODI stats are moot.

Secondly Rahane avgs 47 in tests not 45 as Bullet Drive lied.

Rahane avgs 47 in tests despite playing only 1 test at home.and avgs 50.73 away.

Shehzad avgs 47.86 in tests despite playing most of his tests in UAE and avgs 21.56 away.

Rahane wipes the floor with Shehzad in test match cricket.

If you are expecting Shehzad to avg more than Rahane away from home then you are expecting Shehzad to be better than Miandad or Inzy because even they didnt avg 50 away from homr.
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If you are talking about just tests then you should not have butted in here in the first place. Everyone was talking about awful Rahane is in ODIS and you brought your agenda. LOL. That is just hilarious.

No one cares about what rahane does in tests. He is equal to Shehzad in that and no one is denying it. Shehzad wipes the floor with rahane like my kaam wali does with the jhaaru in ODIs and T20s.

How many tests Rahane has played outside of Asia because you make it sound like Rahane has played similar amount of tests as Inzy or Miandad? Do you really think he would be able to keep that sort of average? Must be really delusional to think that.
 
Mamoon said:
No need of banging your headinst the wall.

If Shehzad decides to compete for the middle-order spot, I would select him. We are short of numbers in the middle order - Misbah, Younis gone, Maqsood has injury problems and Fawad is out of favor as well, so we have no option but select Asad in the squad.

If you look at my proposed squad yesterday, I have him on the bench and not in the playing XI, and have both Umar and Maqsood in the squad.

We simply don't have enough middle-order batsmen, and that's probably the case with India as well. If Shafiq and Rahane don't deliver, they will eventually be filtered out.
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Well, tbh shafiq is too limited to be stuck to in odis and is already 30 and unlike a late developer like azhar is a finished article.
Therefore, it would be much better*if*we hv rizwan in the squad over him.
Plus, I can't understand how u can have both maqsood n Umar on the bench along with teknique boy.
R u going to have 3 bats on the bench?
What about our super fit bowlers, r they not going to have more than one alternative
 
cricketjoshila said:
3 tests in SL.Andavgd 21.5
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Wow. Now you have started lying as well. Getting exposed here are we? :))) you added another test to shehzad's average. A test which is currently going on and in which Shezhad hasnt even batted. HAHAHAHA.
[MENTION=3442]cricket lover[/MENTION] Shehzad has just played 2 tests in which he averages 21.5.
 
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