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Ahmed Shehzad vs Ajinkya Rahane : The better future prospect?

Unfair to say a league below, but that is definitely the top 5.
 
Pujara has been tested against only one world class spinner only so far - Swann.

He's yet to play Herath and our spinners who are much more threatening in these conditions than Australian, NZ or WI spinners.
 
Mamoon said:
Pujara has been tested against only one world class spinner only so far - Swann.

He's yet to play Herath and our spinners who are much more threatening in these conditions than Australian, NZ or WI spinners.
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biggest dustbowls are in central India. I think someone who does well there, tends to do well everywhere.

Pujara has handled atleast 1 very good spinner (as you mentioned Swann) on such dust bowls.
UAE doesnt spin as sharply, has slow turn and easier to pick.

Herath in Lanka is next challenge though.
 
London_Lahori said:
How many ODI tons does Rahane have outside Asia?

I think Rahane is a very good player, I don't think there's much between the players to be honest. Both will be around world cricket for a while. Rahane had played the better test innings prior to today but shehzad has played the better ODI and T20 innings.

Both good players.
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This. Shehzad will score more runs overall, Rahane will score more in tougher conditions.

Both are as important to the team's cause.
 
ahmed is the good player and also aggressive in the match but ajinka is also good but technicke overall is better for ahmed if u watch him he play the spin and micheal clake also give him clap after he make the century
 
DawoodChaudhry said:
ahmed is the good player and also aggressive in the match but ajinka is also good but technicke overall is better for ahmed if u watch him he play the spin and micheal clake also give him clap after he make the century
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Likely because Clarke has no idea how to even score a 10 in UAE conditions.
 
I wonder what happened to the pediction by the PP expert re: Shehzad to be owned by Lyon...anybody knows how that panned out?

Can I have the lottery numbers from you oh exalted one?
 
Scores a ton today, Rahane.

These two are carrying this thread on like a see-saw.
 
Rehane is quality. But these wickets are downright disgraceful. I am sure even Hafeez will smack tons after tons here.
 
Monsee said:
I wonder what happened to the pediction by the PP expert re: Shehzad to be owned by Lyon...anybody knows how that panned out?

Can I have the lottery numbers from you oh exalted one?
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The only batsman who made Lyon like a bowler. He's mediocre against spin.

Others whacked him around while he playing across the line stuck at the crease getting trapped LBW.
 
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Arsal_AK said:
Rehane is quality. But these wickets are downright disgraceful. I am sure even Hafeez will smack tons after tons here.
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lol did you even watch the match?
ample swing, variable bounce .... this is a disgraceful wicket?

you must be new to cricket.
 
Rahane much better technically and ability-wise than Shehzad but the latter has a knack for scoring big.

Gimme Rahane any day, much better than Kohli.

Why isn't Pujara in the ODI squad?
 
Fastandfurious said:
Rahane much better technically and ability-wise than Shehzad but the latter has a knack for scoring big.

Gimme Rahane any day, much better than Kohli.

Why isn't Pujara in the ODI squad?
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He has back issues like Clarke. We dont want to over strain him with ODIs.

Plus we have enough quality bats already.

Even Unmukt Chand, Manesh Pandey, Uthappa and Samson have already made enough noise in India A tours etc to give them a chance in ODI team.
 
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Fastandfurious said:
Rahane much better technically and ability-wise than Shehzad but the latter has a knack for scoring big.

Gimme Rahane any day, much better than Kohli.

Why isn't Pujara in the ODI squad?
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Pujara never look like promising what ever little chances he got in Odis. And because of his dodgy knees, selectors are bit sceptical to consider him as an ODI prospect. Since India are playing so much ODis, It would be difficult for him to manage his body. So as per now let him concentrate in test.
'Rahane much better than Kohli', perhaps it is test cricket that your talking about becaause in ODIs no one is better than kohli ATM except amla and de-villers.
 
Enforcer said:
'Rahane much better than Kohli', perhaps it is test cricket that your talking about becaause in ODIs no one is better than kohli ATM except amla and de-villers.
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De Villiers yes, Amla the choker - no.
 
Rahane over Shehzad any day, but Kohli is a superstar.
 
Rahane will beat Kohli in tests (maybe - Kohli yet hasn't found his range) but in ODIs, Kohli is something else.

Rahane does not have one tenth of Kohli's temperament.

Kohli's brain and temperament for LOIs is something else. In fact, I wish Sachin had it. Not that Sachin was bad temperament wise (he was brilliant) but Kohli is just next level.

If things go according to plan, Kohli will retire as the greatest ODI batsman to ever play the game ahead of Viv and Sachin.

Of course, I don't expect people to agree with me.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Rahane will beat Kohli in tests (maybe - Kohli yet hasn't found his range) but in ODIs, Kohli is something else.

Rahane does not have one tenth of Kohli's temperament.

Kohli's brain and temperament for LOIs is something else. In fact, I wish Sachin had it. Not that Sachin was bad temperament wise (he was brilliant) but Kohli is just next level.

If things go according to plan, Kohli will retire as the greatest ODI batsman to ever play the game ahead of Viv and Sachin.

Of course, I don't expect people to agree with me.
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No, he won't. Until he scores against quality bowling outside the SC.
 
Fastandfurious said:
No, he won't. Until he scores against quality bowling outside the SC.
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Yes he has to do that.

But he can do it.

Watch his series against SA in SA in 2010.

Averaged 48 in that series odd but looked a class above everyone else in the team who played in that series (Sachin, Sehwag skipped that series due to niggles or some stuff if I remember correctly).
 
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Mamoon said:
But I'm sure if worked upon, he would prove a massive player alongside Kohli and Pujara.

Axe the TTF Rohit and nurture Rahane.


He would succeed if the Indian selectors are as patient with him as they are with Rohit.
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Rahane has improved a lot in ODIs. Scoring at a quicker rate and more consistently. He was averaging in lower 20s and now he is 30+ and his SR has gone up on the same tracks where he was failing. Plus, he scored well even in England ODI as an opener.
 
leatherface58 said:
Rahane has improved a lot in ODIs. Scoring at a quicker rate and more consistently. He was averaging in lower 20s and now he is 30+ and his SR has gone up on the same tracks where he was failing. Plus, he scored well even in England ODI as an opener.
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He's a classical batsman who'd soon be beastly in T20s as well. Extremely gifted and brilliant to watch in full flow.

One of the best timers in the game today.

Another terrific prediction by me. :baelish
 
Enforcer said:
Ofcourse and those pitches are also disgraceful, where Rahane and Dhawan smashed the English bowlers. And where bhuvi kumar still manages to put of a figure of 8-3-14-2. whatever suits your agenda!

http://www.espncricinfo.com/england-v-india-2014/engine/current/match/667727.html
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Noobosauras said:
lol did you even watch the match?
ample swing, variable bounce .... this is a disgraceful wicket?

you must be new to cricket.
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Saurav said:
is that why SL failed to make 200?:13:
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I said he is quality, didn't I??

The wicket was a highway though.
 
Mamoon said:
He's a classical batsman who'd soon be beastly in T20s as well. Extremely gifted and brilliant to watch in full flow.

One of the best timers in the game today.

Another terrific prediction by me. :baelish
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Like so many others right??
 
Mamoon said:
:inti

Stick to the topic.
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You are the king troll of this website and aim to get a rile out of fans. You at times open up and give a straight shooting opinion, but then go back to your hyperbole narrative to again, get a rile out of individuals.

I get your shtick, as do a couple others here, but posting for quality, over quantity and exposure is what you should aim for.
 
Arsal_AK said:
I said he is quality, didn't I??

The wicket was a highway though.
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Did you even see the match or just going with the score.

There was a lot of swing and bounce early on.Got easier later on
 
steelo green said:
You are the king troll of this website and aim to get a rile out of fans. You at times open up and give a straight shooting opinion, but then go back to your hyperbole narrative to again, get a rile out of individuals.

I get your shtick, as do a couple others here, but posting for quality, over quantity and exposure is what you should aim for.
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I won't say I'm a troll because my intentions are generally lucid, but then again no thief calls himself one. Quality is not quantifiable in my opinion though, but from experience I believe sitting on the fence is the best course of action and hand them over the baton, rather sticking your neck out so that at the end of the day, you can simply go with the flow and remain unscathed with their hands clean.

On the contrary, the drawback is that it is pretty boring because you are not accountable for anything and don't stand out. By standing out I don't mean seeking attention and riling others, but it is good to speak your mind and a lot of people don't do that because they fear accountability and I have little respect for such people.
 
Mamoon said:
Yes, the real superstar is Afridi.

Dhoni and Kohli are the biggest stars in cricket today and India has the greatest market.
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from where did afridi come into this:danish

Kohli as i said a star in india

long long way to go to reach stardom level in SA, AUS, ENG , NZ etc:usman
 
pakistani pride said:
from where did afridi come into this:danish

Kohli as i said a star in india

long long way to go to reach stardom level in SA, AUS, ENG , NZ etc:usman
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http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/253802.html?class=2;template=results;type=batting

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/253802.html?class=1;template=results;type=batting

Kohli averages 53 in Australia, 38.5 in England, 58 in Nz and 45.5 in SA in ODIs.

In Tests he averages 71 in NZ, 68 in SA and 37.5 in Australia.

Atleast do some research before embarrassing yourself like that.

One bad England series when he was hopelessly out of form and trolls have something to sing now!
 
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Mamoon said:
I won't say I'm a troll because my intentions are generally lucid, but then again no thief calls himself one. Quality is not quantifiable in my opinion though, but from experience I believe sitting on the fence is the best course of action and hand them over the baton, rather sticking your neck out so that at the end of the day, you can simply go with the flow and remain unscathed with their hands clean.

On the contrary, the drawback is that it is pretty boring because you are not accountable for anything and don't stand out. By standing out I don't mean seeking attention and riling others, but it is good to speak your mind and a lot of people don't do that because they fear accountability and I have little respect for such people.
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Actually, from the description you gave, you are a troll. You make bold statements to get people to respond.

I see how you say that you go to school in Pakistan, but daily I doubt that. I don't think you're a bad guy by any means, but elusive and shifty.

The others may play into your little spider web, but I won't even indulge anymore.

Have fun picking on the minnows.
 
It would be a fair comparison if shehzad would also get to bat on flat tracks in india.
 
Swanny said:
It would be a fair comparison if shehzad would also get to bat on flat tracks in india.
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And it would be a fair comparison if Rahane gets to bat on the flat tracks of UAE for Test matches (they ain't super flat but they are flat with a bit of spin).

Indian test matches are more spin oriented. Plus Rahane has played all his tests barring one outside SC (and the one he played was a rank turner).

Plus Ajinkya hasn't boosted his ODI record by tonking a hell a lot of runs in ODI roads in India.

We can play this game all day long but let me point out that things get evened out in the long run.
 
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Swanny said:
It would be a fair comparison if shehzad would also get to bat on flat tracks in india.
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Rahane has played just one test match in India. Do check records before running your loud mouth here .

Or , if you're a troll. Good job.
 
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sensible-indian-fan said:
And it would be a fair comparison if Rahane gets to bat on the flat tracks of UAE for Test matches (they ain't super flat but they are flat with a bit of spin).

Indian test matches are more spin oriented. Plus Rahane has played all his tests barring one outside SC (and the one he played was a rank turner).

Plus Ajinkya hasn't boosted his ODI record by tonking a hell a lot of runs in ODI roads in India.

We can play this game all day long.
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What about odis in india where even 350+ is routinely scored & chased?
We saw what rahane did in odis vs sa & nz where pitches were sporting he couldnt get bat to ball.

Heck even in india when pitches werent belters he struggled & averaged in low 20's for 20-30 matches.

Opening in tests whether in uae or outside is tougher than playing at 5/6 & that is why only a few openers have a 50+ average.
 
India has the flattest ODI tracks in the world. When any non SC team visits India for tests, they prepare turners but if it's a SC team, they make flat tracks.
 
Swanny said:
What about odis in india where even 350+ is routinely scored & chased?
We saw what rahane did in odis vs sa & nz where pitches were sporting he couldnt get bat to ball.

Heck even in india when pitches werent belters he struggled & averaged in low 20's for 20-30 matches.

Opening in tests whether in uae or outside is tougher than playing at 5/6 & that is why only a few openers have a 50+ average.
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How many runs did Rahane score in those 350 run fests against Aussies?

Hint: He wasn't even part of the playing XI.

Rahane may be No 5 but he still played majority of his games outside SC. Including one game in a pukka green track.

We saw what rahane did in odis vs sa & nz where pitches were sporting he couldnt get bat to ball.
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Rahane is garbage as No 4 in ODIs but we ALL saw what happened in England when he opened. With the new ball swing and all.

Opening in tests whether in uae or outside is tougher than playing at 5/6 & that is why only a few openers have a 50+ average.
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I agree but also remember that openers from SC teams playing in SC will average more than No 5 playing outside SC conditions.
 
Fastandfurious said:
India has the flattest ODI tracks in the world. When any non SC team visits India for tests, they prepare turners but if it's a SC team, they make flat tracks.
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Sadly its true.

But I don't think we will make flat tracks for SC teams.

Its been a long time since an SC team toured us for tests.

Several years back, we didn't make rank turners for non SC teams too.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Sadly its true.

But I don't think we will make flat tracks for SC teams.

Its been a long time since an SC team toured us for tests.

Several years back, we didn't make rank turners for non SC teams too.
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Well you did against Pakistan to negate the fast bowlers and in return Pakistan prepared a forest.
 
Fastandfurious said:
Well you did against Pakistan to negate the fast bowlers and in return Pakistan prepared a forest.
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India Pakistan test series is not all that it is made out to be (unlike ODIs).

Usually flat tracks are prepared cos both sides are afraid to lose to one another.

Has been that way for decades.

The forest you guys prepared would be an aberration.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
India Pakistan test series is not all that it is made out to be (unlike ODIs).

Usually flat tracks are prepared cos both sides are afraid to lose to one another.

Has been that way for decades.

The forest you guys prepared would be an aberration.
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Watch some old games under Imran in Pakistan, you won't find the pitch.
 
Swanny said:
What about odis in india where even 350+ is routinely scored & chased down by India?
 We saw what rahane did in odis vs sa & nz where pitches were sporting he couldnt get bat to ball.

Heck even in india when pitches werent belters he struggled & averaged in low 20's for 20-30 matches.

Opening in tests whether in uae or outside is tougher than playing at 5/6 & that is why only a few openers have a 50+ average.
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Corrected.

India hasn't ever lost after scoring 350 in India.

Do get your facts right.
 
Swanny said:
What about odis in india where even 350+ is routinely scored & chased?
We saw what rahane did in odis vs sa & nz where pitches were sporting he couldnt get bat to ball.

Heck even in india when pitches werent belters he struggled & averaged in low 20's for 20-30 matches.

Opening in tests whether in uae or outside is tougher than playing at 5/6 & that is why only a few openers have a 50+ average.
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As far as Rahane is concerned, in test he is better than Shehzad. Easy to argue and I leave it to check for yourself. But they play at different positions so comparison is actually not fair in the first place.

In ODIs Shehzad has been better. But Rahane has also been good.
Check details here

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Shehzad has been excellent in South Africa, Nz, Bangla, UAE poor in SL, WI and Zm
Rahane is good in England, average in India and Bangla and poor in Srilanka.

Shehzad wins the ODI comparison comprehensively.

Also, regading roads in India, Rahane averages mere 32 in India so your rant is not very to the point.
 
steelo green said:
Actually, from the description you gave, you are a troll. You make bold statements to get people to respond.

I see how you say that you go to school in Pakistan, but daily I doubt that. I don't think you're a bad guy by any means, but elusive and shifty.

The others may play into your little spider web, but I won't even indulge anymore.

Have fun picking on the minnows.
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Why can't I go to school in Pakistan? I don't see a connection.
 
steelo green said:
Actually, from the description you gave, you are a troll. You make bold statements to get people to respond.

I see how you say that you go to school in Pakistan, but daily I doubt that. I don't think you're a bad guy by any means, but elusive and shifty.

The others may play into your little spider web, but I won't even indulge anymore.

Have fun picking on the minnows.
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Woah, that's a very personally directed post.

How come expressing your opinions is 'trolling' ? The ones which you at times don't agree with?

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] does slit wrists quite often, but so do you. He has his personal favorites and those he don't like/rate, like everyone else. Not sure why'd you call that trolling.
 
And I do go to school in Pakistan. Hawkeye is my witness. :yk2
 
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And I do go to school in Pakistan. Hawkeye is my witness. :yk2
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Yeah ! :))

Not sure why some people think if you're from this part of the country, you don't have access to schools or quality education, entertainment and all those other amenities of life.
 
Hawkeye said:
Woah, that's a very personally directed post.

How come expressing your opinions is 'trolling' ? The ones which you at times don't agree with?

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] does slit wrists quite often, but so do you. He has his personal favorites and those he don't like/rate, like everyone else. Not sure why'd you call that trolling.
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If you understood the English language, you would see the difference between wrist slitting and speaking the turth.

He just said he says things to be here or there, a hyperbole, never take the middle ground to simply "generate" conversation.

Are you that dense?

You fall into the trap, and are actually justifying it. Pretty funny actually.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Sadly its true.

But I don't think we will make flat tracks for SC teams.

Its been a long time since an SC team toured us for tests.

Several years back, we didn't make rank turners for non SC teams too.
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I don't get why we can't say that Shehzad and Rahane are good players, Rahane more technically sound, Shehzad seems to have a higher affinity for runs so far, and it will take about 4-5 years before we can really judge any disparity between the two?

As of now they are two very young good openers who will play for their countries for about 10-15 years and be some of the top scorers in the world.

I like them both, Shehzad in ODI's so far, Rahane in tests, but I see them both as 40s in ODIs average players, and mid 40s to low 50s in tests.

Both countries are lucky (Pakistan more so because they needed some sort of player like him vs India who have a plethora of talent) to have them and have them producing at such a young age.
 
steelo green said:
I don't get why we can't say that Shehzad and Rahane are good players, Rahane more technically sound, Shehzad seems to have a higher affinity for runs so far, and it will take about 4-5 years before we can really judge any disparity between the two?

As of now they are two very young good openers who will play for their countries for about 10-15 years and be some of the top scorers in the world.

I like them both, Shehzad in ODI's so far, Rahane in tests, but I see them both as 40s in ODIs average players, and mid 40s to low 50s in tests.

Both countries are lucky (Pakistan more so because they needed some sort of player like him vs India who have a plethora of talent) to have them and have them producing at such a young age.
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True.

Such debates make sense only after a good sample set.

Even then careers derail (Cook and Clarke).
 
Rahane is India's best batsman against new ball not sure about Shehzad.
 
JaDed said:
Rahane is India's best batsman against new ball not sure about Shehzad.
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He's quite inconsistent actually. Today was a good example, and he does have technical problems outside the offstump.
 
90MPH said:
He's quite inconsistent actually. Today was a good example, and he does have technical problems outside the offstump.
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He would not played that wild shot if not for the stagnant run rate.. I'd not be worried
 
Sandeep said:
He would not played that wild shot if not for the stagnant run rate.. I'd not be worried
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Correct. He was just a bit loose.
It's not like he got beaten by the outswinger and edged the ball through.
He drove at it and edged it, happens sometimes.
 
Straight_Drive said:
lol i don't know why you like rayudu so much...but i have not based my opinion on rayudu based on two matches...i have followed rayudu's career in ipl , A tours , Bangla series, asia cup , almost all his international matches...he is not a big player...he & rahane lost us the asia cup match with their slow batting.....he is mediocre in every way possible...in australia A tour when every player was striking at 100+ rayudu's strike rate was 78.....so he will/should be dropped no matter how many useless fifties he scores cause when the big pressure matches comes he will singlehandedly lose the match
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a brilliant 100 by him
kya kehte ho ab
 
Rahane isn't cut out for ODIs, whereas Shehzad excels in both formats.
 
JaDed said:
Are you expecting every match 50 or hundred from Rahane?
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I'm talking abt consistency he's averaging below 30 as an opener
3 matches ago he scored a ton he is a very good player but not consistent enough
 
Mir jibran said:
I'm talking abt consistency he's averaging below 30 as an opener
3 matches ago he scored a ton he is a very good player but not consistent enough
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Oh ok,except for Sachin and Dada India never really had consistent openers and yeah i agree as an opener he is not consistent.
 
JaDed said:
Oh ok,except for Sachin and Dada India never really had consistent openers and yeah i agree as an opener he is not consistent.
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so who's ur opening pair for WC dhawan/rohit or dhawan/rahane
and I think rayudu will be a regular now
 
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