Ahmed Shehzad vs Ajinkya Rahane : The better future prospect?

Rahane should bat faster in ODI cricket. His SR of 73 puts pressure on Raina and Dhoni coming in later on.
 
Like I said before, Rahane should open in ODIs. Not suited to the middle order.

What a pure and beautiful batsman, Shehzad is simply not in his class.
 
Bumping threads based on ability. I would rephrase myself,

Rahane has more ability in one finger than Shehzad has in his whole body. :sachin
 
That over from Anderson.. What a classy guy! But I'm still not convinced about his consistency in LOIs
 
Like I said before, Rahane should open in ODIs. Not suited to the middle order.

What a pure and beautiful batsman, Shehzad is simply not in his class.

Yeah. I too have been saying it for a long time.

The moment Rohit was injured, I knew the time for Rahane had arrived (felt bad for Rohit but happy for Rahane).

Still the No 4 problem hasn't been solved. Dunno what we are going to do about that.
 
Rahane is much better to watch, that's not arguable.

Shehzad is scratchy.
 
Yeah. I too have been saying it for a long time.

The moment Rohit was injured, I knew the time for Rahane had arrived (felt bad for Rohit but happy for Rahane).

Still the No 4 problem hasn't been solved. Dunno what we are going to do about that.

It shouldn't be done but I'm pretty sure Rohit will take his spot back when he comes back and Rahane will be back to no.4
 
w00t first ton up in ODIs!

Here's hoping there are many more to come.
 
Rahane Vs Shehzad is debatable today, but in 2 year's time, I expect Rahane to race ahead.
 
that is why you don't blindly follow stats....and stats only say that in odis...in test matches it is not even a comparison

although I'm a big big fan of rahane but I still think shehzad ll improve he's just 22 n rahane is 26
 
that is why you don't blindly follow stats....and stats only say that in odis...in test matches it is not even a comparison

Who said that Shehzad is better in tests? He is in ODI's though and looking at the 4 year age difference, still has plenty of time to make up the differences and weakness' in his technique.
 
Who said that Shehzad is better in tests? He is in ODI's though and looking at the 4 year age difference, still has plenty of time to make up the differences and weakness' in his technique.
lol where have you been...this is both test match and odi comparison thread...and rahane will better in both..he hasn't got a fair run at the top like shehzad cause of so many batting rockstars in the team...he will be top odi player by next yea
 
lol where have you been...this is both test match and odi comparison thread...and rahane will better in both..he hasn't got a fair run at the top like shehzad cause of so many batting rockstars in the team...he will be top odi player by next yea
You said he's a better test batsmen, of which no one really seems to be arguing, but fine, if they said it, they don't know what they're talking about.

Doubt that regarding ODI's hindsight is a **** though.

Talent and performance are two totally different things.

People go for Umar talking about how he has talent but not the performance (which I argue is wrong anyways but for arguments sake lets keep it there. I won't laud a player for 2-3 good matches, and chastize him for 2-3 bad ones because even the greats have had stretches of upwards of 5-10 matches where they didn't perform or they were extremely good.

You are never as good as when you are playing extremely well, and you are never as bad when you are playing extremely poorly. This is why you look at the entire picture and the ebbs and flows of a career.
 
You said he's a better test batsmen, of which no one really seems to be arguing, but fine, if they said it, they don't know what they're talking about.

Doubt that regarding ODI's hindsight is a **** though.

Talent and performance are two totally different things.

People go for Umar talking about how he has talent but not the performance (which I argue is wrong anyways but for arguments sake lets keep it there. I won't laud a player for 2-3 good matches, and chastize him for 2-3 bad ones because even the greats have had stretches of upwards of 5-10 matches where they didn't perform or they were extremely good.

You are never as good as when you are playing extremely well, and you are never as bad when you are playing extremely poorly. This is why you look at the entire picture and the ebbs and flows of a career.

Rahane hasn't got a chance in odis...this is the first year where he is a regular in the team.....rahane has all the class and ability to be the top odi player.....you haven't followed his career it seems...he was always a replacement guy in the team filling in as an opener or middle order bat for injured players thus only playing 1 or 2 matches at a time ....the class and ability he has just shows he will dominate this format
 
The purity in Rahane's stroke play is just a treat to watch.
He's so easy on the eye.
 
rayudu is one of the unluckiest cricketers he deserved his debut at 18 but got it at 28
he ll be India's better no 4 batsmen
rohit is nothing
nope rayudu hasn't impressed me one bit...batting strike rate less than 70 and his list a record aren't great either
 
the target was so small he could milk his way at strike rate of 70 but when better teams come and the target is 300+ he will be a liability

Rahane hasn't played on those flat pancakes of India yet. He has been on tough overseas tours with the team where the entire team has struggled. But if you take out that one ODI series against Australia where everyone was scoring hundreds for fun...Rohit has been pretty mediocre himself in ODI's especially away from home.

In 15 games (All away from home) - Rayudu has scored 325 runs at 40.92 and at a SR of 69
In 17 away games Rohit has scored 469 runs at 31.26 at a SR of 64.20..

Now tell me why should Rohit play ahead of Rayudu? The guy for all the chances he has received bats poorly when playing overseas but keeps on getting chances. The other guy after so many years of struggle gets a chance to play for India but gets hammered for scoring slow when he has played only 15 games while the other has played 124 games for a mediocre ODI career.
 
Rahane hasn't played on those flat pancakes of India yet. He has been on tough overseas tours with the team where the entire team has struggled. But if you take out that one ODI series against Australia where everyone was scoring hundreds for fun...Rohit has been pretty mediocre himself in ODI's especially away from home.

In 15 games (All away from home) - Rayudu has scored 325 runs at 40.92 and at a SR of 69
In 17 away games Rohit has scored 469 runs at 31.26 at a SR of 64.20..

Now tell me why should Rohit play ahead of Rayudu? The guy for all the chances he has received bats poorly when playing overseas but keeps on getting chances. The other guy after so many years of struggle gets a chance to play for India but gets hammered for scoring slow when he has played only 15 games while the other has played 124 games for a mediocre ODI career.
cause no matter how bad rohit is he is still better than rayudu....rohit can bully teams on a flat track....rayudu is our version of misbah and shehzad...he will score but at a pathetic strike rate ...look at his list A record...if you have to drop rohit then drop rayudu too and play someone better like karun nair , sanju samson or other guys who performed on australia A tour...rayudu wouldn't chase 300+ even in his dreams
 
He is a much batter allround batsman. Why Rahane has not performed in ODIs is a mystery to me. He should be averaging 40+ as an opener in ODIs.

He has not been given enough chances and has been shuffled around a lot. But he seems to be a good opener for ODI and his test form is translating into ODI form. If he gets a run of 5-10 ODIs as an opener, he would do well.
 
cause no matter how bad rohit is he is still better than rayudu....rohit can bully teams on a flat track....rayudu is our version of misbah and shehzad...he will score but at a pathetic strike rate ...look at his list A record...if you have to drop rohit then drop rayudu too and play someone better like karun nair , sanju samson or other guys who performed on australia A tour...rayudu wouldn't chase 300+ even in his dreams

List A SR's are not available to compare. Their List A averages are the same (Rayudu 36.47 and Rohit 36.93). So I don't know how you came to conclusion that Rohit is way better. We don't know if Rayudu can hammer on flat decks as he hasn't played on one yet.The world cup is in Australia where I am sure Rohit will be a sitting duck. I don't know what you are talking about as I have not seen Karun Nair or Sanju Samson play for India yet against international teams in international games so I am not sure if they are better than Rayudu or Rohit. I don't care who plays...Rohit should not be in the team unless he plays at the top of the order. If we are not playing him in the top of the order, I will rather prefer, Tiwary or Rayudu in the middle. At least Rayudu can hold an end up in Australia if we lose quick wickets. I don't have that confidence with Rohit in the middle. Rohit I am sure will play across the line or loft it straight to a fielder leaving India in further trouble.
 
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List A SR's are not available to compare. Their List A averages are the same (Rayudu 36.47 and Rohit 36.93). So I don't know how you came to conclusion that Rohit is way better. We don't know if Rayudu can hammer on flat decks as he hasn't played on one yet.The world cup is in Australia where I am sure Rohit will be a sitting duck. I don't know what you are talking about as I have not seen Karun Nair or Sanju Samson play for India yet against international teams in international games so I am not sure if they are better than Rayudu or Rohit. I don't care who plays...Rohit should not be in the team unless he plays at the top of the order. If we are not playing him in the top of the order, I will rather prefer, Tiwary or Rayudu in the middle. At least Rayudu can hold an end up in Australia if we lose quick wickets. I don't have that confidence with Rohit in the middle. Rohit I am sure will play across the line or loft it straight to a fielder leaving India in further trouble.
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These are the stats from Australia A tour earlier this year...anyone is better than Rayudu

6th column is Average and 8th is strike rate
 
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Jadhav and Samson must be tried.

Kinda annoying to see Jadhav not even picked for the squad when he did well in Australia. The freaking WC is in Australia.
 
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These are the stats from Australia A tour earlier this year...anyone is better than Rayudu

6th column is Average and 8th is strike rate

It is not international game is it? you don't need all batsmen to attack and score at 100 SR...that will not have the stability. I am okay with Rayudu being dropped but I am not okay with Rohit in the middle order. He is not good enough to play in the middle order and he is not reliable. If we need to try young players we need to play them ASAP. If we don't play them now, we cannot play any of them in that list in the World Cup. We need to make it work with people who has played over the last few years.
 
I agree.

I don't trust Rohit Sharma in the middle order. If Rohit must play, he must play at the top order. Not take up one of the most responsibility oriented spots in the middle order (No 4).

As bad Rayudu may be, I trust him more in the middle order.

Of course, we need a better option than both but what will happen is Rohit will be playing in no 4 when he comes back.
 
List A SR's are not available to compare. Their List A averages are the same (Rayudu 36.47 and Rohit 36.93). So I don't know how you came to conclusion that Rohit is way better. We don't know if Rayudu can hammer on flat decks as he hasn't played on one yet.The world cup is in Australia where I am sure Rohit will be a sitting duck. I don't know what you are talking about as I have not seen Karun Nair or Sanju Samson play for India yet against international teams in international games so I am not sure if they are better than Rayudu or Rohit. I don't care who plays...Rohit should not be in the team unless he plays at the top of the order. If we are not playing him in the top of the order, I will rather prefer, Tiwary or Rayudu in the middle. At least Rayudu can hold an end up in Australia if we lose quick wickets. I don't have that confidence with Rohit in the middle. Rohit I am sure will play across the line or loft it straight to a fielder leaving India in further trouble.

Rayudu's list A includes just 15 international games out of 82 and rohit's list A includes 124 ODIs out of 191 matches...taking out the international matches...List A average of Rayudu is 35.xx and Rohit 38.xx given the vast difference in no. of matches rohit is clearly better than rayudu
 
It is not international game is it? you don't need all batsmen to attack and score at 100 SR...that will not have the stability. I am okay with Rayudu being dropped but I am not okay with Rohit in the middle order. He is not good enough to play in the middle order and he is not reliable. If we need to try young players we need to play them ASAP. If we don't play them now, we cannot play any of them in that list in the World Cup. We need to make it work with people who has played over the last few years.
lol...did you see the players...most players in both teams have international experience and I am not making a case for rohit...but any tom, dick and harry is better than rayudu , we need jadhav or samson instead
 
lol...did you see the players...most players in both teams have international experience and I am not making a case for rohit...but any tom, dick and harry is better than rayudu , we need jadhav or samson instead

Sure I am okay with Jadhav or Samson playing now....Just don't want Rohit to play in the middle order. The guy has played 124 games being mediocre in ODI's...No other Indian player has received so many chances being mediocre in the last 10 years or so. He needs to dropped if he is not going to open. Play anybody, well play Yusuf Pathan in the middle if we want a player to slog and get out at least he will score quick.
 
Sure I am okay with Jadhav or Samson playing now....Just don't want Rohit to play in the middle order. The guy has played 124 games being mediocre in ODI's...No other Indian player has received so many chances being mediocre in the last 10 years or so. He needs to dropped if he is not going to open. Play anybody, well play Yusuf Pathan in the middle if we want a player to slog and get out at least he will score quick.

Rohit is not mediocre in the last 2 years...which game are you watching..he is above average who can bully teams on flat tracks

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those stats are from australia A tour...India A toured Australia genius

I always see India A do well from these away tours yet flop when it comes to the main International scene in places like Australia??? like I said A tour success doesn't prove much.
 
Domestic/A team records doesn't mean anything especially in India.

Please look at his stats away from home as Australia is not in India. Except for that one home series against Australia...Please look at his average and SR..It is extremely poor. Since Jan 2013 (I am taking Jan 2013 because he did make a comeback to the ODI side as a opener in 2013) he averages 31.26 with a SR of 64 overseas. Not really stats of a world beater. You can big up his home exploits but it is not going to help him in anyways when playing in Australia. Please look at his SR's other than that one home series...He is barely touching 70's....You said that Rayudu is capable of scoring runs but is slow and now you claim Rohit has been brilliant. He has been equally poor..Just remove that one series and tell me what his SR was over the last two years. I don't want to consider that series as James Faulkner was smashing every India bowler for fun in that series.
 
Please look at his stats away from home as Australia is not in India. Except for that one home series against Australia...Please look at his average and SR..It is extremely poor. Since Jan 2013 (I am taking Jan 2013 because he did make a comeback to the ODI side as a opener in 2013) he averages 31.26 with a SR of 64 overseas. Not really stats of a world beater. You can big up his home exploits but it is not going to help him in anyways when playing in Australia. Please look at his SR's other than that one home series...He is barely touching 70's....You said that Rayudu is capable of scoring runs but is slow and now you claim Rohit has been brilliant. He has been equally poor..Just remove that one series and tell me what his SR was over the last two years. I don't want to consider that series as James Faulkner was smashing every India bowler for fun in that series.

I think you quoted the wrong person....anyways my point is if it comes down to rayudu and rohit i will pick rohit every time...i didn't say he is world beater i said he is above average who can bully teams on flat tracks....better than mediocre but there are better players
 
Rahane hasn't got a chance in odis...this is the first year where he is a regular in the team.....rahane has all the class and ability to be the top odi player.....you haven't followed his career it seems...he was always a replacement guy in the team filling in as an opener or middle order bat for injured players thus only playing 1 or 2 matches at a time ....the class and ability he has just shows he will dominate this format

Then you haven't followed Shehzad either because this is also his first year where he is a regular.

Rahane has 30+ ODIs (not a small sample size) and you're right now talking about him right after his century and saying this stuff. I guess the career will speak for itself.
 
Then you haven't followed Shehzad either because this is also his first year where he is a regular.

Rahane has 30+ ODIs (not a small sample size) and you're right now talking about him right after his century and saying this stuff. I guess the career will speak for itself.

read my previous post ...i have been saying this from the time i joined this forum
 
read my previous post ...i have been saying this from the time i joined this forum

Regardless. He has 33 ODI's with a below 30 average. He has a hard career to really define at this point and I won't go one way or the other fullly until I have a bigger sample size. When he gets to 70-80 ODIs and improves his average then he will look better in my eyes but as of now he's a sub par ODI batsmen.
 
Another plus: Rahane doesn't blab about nonsense to opposition players.
 
Shehzad can play the big shots and is sometimes pleasing on the eye, but his strike rotating is dreadful and is very scratchy.

He needs to play like a slab of concrete for 50 odd deliveries before he can play shots like that.

His batting style and his personality are complete opposite. That little 30 odd vs SA is probably the finest he has ever played, but its as rare as a sensible innings by Afridi.
 
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Shehzad is a good player, but needs to sort out his issues.. His focus should be on the cricket field.. The guy has the ability to play some good shots but doesn't have a good head on his shoulders..
 
Tsotsobe was the number 1 ODI bowler in the world not long back.

Ye, as if rankings in ODI's matter. He was bowling pies in that match. Anyways, Shehzad is not a natural stroke maker but once he gets his eye in, he can play some shots.
 
Ye, as if rankings in ODI's matter. He was bowling pies in that match. Anyways, Shehzad is not a natural stroke maker but once he gets his eye in, he can play some shots.

Pakistan has a habit of making promising youngsters go awry after a while. May be a cultural thing or dressing room company (Afridi) :13::13:

Taufeeq Umar, Umar Akmal and now Shezad. The list is very long....
 
Pakistan has a habit of making promising youngsters go awry after a while. May be a cultural thing or dressing room company (Afridi) :13::13:

Taufeeq Umar, Umar Akmal and now Shezad. The list is very long....

Most of them are mentally weak because they haven't been through a tough domestic system. There are way too many teams in our domestic cricket.
 
Most of them are mentally weak because they haven't been through a tough domestic system. There are way too many teams in our domestic cricket.

I don't think its that simple. Fact is, there are many teams (except Australia, Eng) Where domestic setup is not upto the mark. Still countries like India/ NZ/ SL/ SA keep on producing so many good batsmen. In Pakistan, thing is, people like Afridi are worshipped as icons while strokemakers like Misbah are cursed. Any new player tries to go the former's way, losing his way in the process....
 
A duck after a hundred. A leaf out of Shehzad's book. :21:
 
Going to bump a thread after one good or bad performance is stupid. So far Rahane and Shehzad have been mediocre in ODIS. Rahane has outperformed Shehzad in Tests but both have very small samples. Personally i think Rahane will outperform Shehzad in both formats.
 
Gotta say this is a very evenly matched comparison, ebbs and flows very well.
 
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