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Ahmed Shehzad vs Ajinkya Rahane : The better future prospect?

11ShadyBrothers said:
If you are talking about just tests then you should not have butted in here in the first place. Everyone was talking about awful Rahane is in ODIS and you brought your agenda. LOL. That is just hilarious.

No one cares about what rahane does in tests. He is equal to Shehzad in that and no one is denying it. Shehzad wipes the floor with rahane like my kaam wali does with the jhaaru in ODIs and T20s.

How many tests Rahane has played outside of Asia because you make it sound like Rahane has played similar amount of tests as Inzy or Miandad? Do you really think he would be able to keep that sort of average? Must be really delusional to think that.
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Please read his posts... He responded to a post saying that Shehzad averages more than Rahane in all formats (including tests). Which is why be brought in his argument about test matches.

Rahane is equal to Shehzad in tests? Come out of your fantasy world please.
 
11ShadyBrothers said:
Wow. Now you have started lying as well. Getting exposed here are we? :))) you added another test to shehzad's average. A test which is currently going on and in which Shezhad hasnt even batted. HAHAHAHA.
[MENTION=3442]cricket lover[/MENTION] Shehzad has just played 2 tests in which he averages 21.5.
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Now you say he is lying without knowing anything. Do you think he knew the average off the top of his head? No, he looked it up. And in most statistical sources, it says that he has played 3 tests despite the third test still ongoing.

For example, on HowStat, if you look up his test matches in Sri Lanka, it says he has played 3 test matches at an average of 21.50 (but only 4 innings). http://www.howstat.com/cricket/statistics/Players/PlayerCountries.asp?PlayerID=3675
 
11ShadyBrothers said:
Wow. Now you have started lying as well. Getting exposed here are we? :))) you added another test to shehzad's average. A test which is currently going on and in which Shezhad hasnt even batted. HAHAHAHA.
[MENTION=3442]cricket lover[/MENTION] Shehzad has just played 2 tests in which he averages 21.5.
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Lol That is some epic twisting by joshila. As they say, everything is fair in love n war
 
If you are talking about just tests then you should not have butted in here in the first place. Everyone was talking about awful Rahane is in ODIS and you brought your agenda. LOL. That is just hilarious.
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Read the OP and the thread title and then tell me where does it mention ODIs only?Tests are the purest format of cricket and thats where greats are made.

No one cares about what rahane does in tests. He is equal to Shehzad in that and no one is denying it.
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Who is this no one sir?Because i see experts mention Tests as the best format to judge a player.And no HTB Shehzad isnt equal to Rahane in tests.

Shehzad wipes the floor with rahane like my kaam wali does with the jhaaru in ODIs and T20s.
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I am not talking pajama cricket here.Why do you bring ODIs when i mentioned Tests in my post?

How many tests Rahane has played outside of Asia because you make it sound like Rahane has played similar amount of tests as Inzy or Miandad? Do you really think he would be able to keep that sort of average? Must be really delusional to think that.
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Inzy has a total of 3 centuries in ENG SA AUS in his entire test career,Rahane already has 2.I am very sure that Rahane will have better stats than Inzy away from Asia.
 
Sachin136 said:
Now you say he is lying without knowing anything. Do you think he knew the average off the top of his head? No, he looked it up. And in most statistical sources, it says that he has played 3 tests despite the third test still ongoing.

For example, on HowStat, if you look up his test matches in Sri Lanka, it says he has played 3 test matches at an average of 21.50 (but only 4 innings). http://www.howstat.com/cricket/statistics/Players/PlayerCountries.asp?PlayerID=3675
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Aww CJ is so innocent. Isnt he? :))
 
11ShadyBrothers said:
Wow. Now you have started lying as well. Getting exposed here are we? :))) you added another test to shehzad's average. A test which is currently going on and in which Shezhad hasnt even batted. HAHAHAHA.
[MENTION=3442]cricket lover[/MENTION] Shehzad has just played 2 tests in which he averages 21.5.
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You need to learn to read stats sir.Once the test match starts and even 1 ball is bowled the test gets added in the players career stats.But since he hasnt started his innings it doesnt gets added in the innings list.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/259410.html?class=1;template=results;type=allround

ESPNCricinfo agrees with me.Seems they are lying as well.
 
Sachin136 said:
Now you say he is lying without knowing anything. Do you think he knew the average off the top of his head? No, he looked it up. And in most statistical sources, it says that he has played 3 tests despite the third test still ongoing.

For example, on HowStat, if you look up his test matches in Sri Lanka, it says he has played 3 test matches at an average of 21.50 (but only 4 innings). http://www.howstat.com/cricket/statistics/Players/PlayerCountries.asp?PlayerID=3675
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Even then, he has to be vigilant and responsible for what he says coz he is in an argument here.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Read the OP and the thread title and then tell me where does it mention ODIs only?Tests are the purest format of cricket and thats where greats are made.



Who is this no one sir?Because i see experts mention Tests as the best format to judge a player.And no HTB Shehzad isnt equal to Rahane in tests.



I am not talking pajama cricket here.Why do you bring ODIs when i mentioned Tests in my post?



Inzy has a total of 3 centuries in ENG SA AUS in his entire test career,Rahane already has 2.I am very sure that Rahane will have better stats than Inzy away from Asia.
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Exactly my point. Where on the title does it just mentions tests specifically? So what the hell are you on about, mate? Tests are the purest format. HAHAHA. Whattay legend you are. You will defend IPL in one thread, BCCI in another, ODI cricket in another and now tests is the purest format for you. Lejund!

Even in the purest format Rahane isnt the clear winner to begin with. So, your agenda pretty much falls flat.

I am talking about averages. No one is discussing centuries. I find it hilarious how you have to resort to clutching at straws now to defend your argument. :)) So, mesour do you really beleive that Rahane would be able to maintain an average of 50 throughout his career? Because if you are then i dont want to live on this planet anymore.
 
Sachin136 said:
Now you say he is lying without knowing anything. Do you think he knew the average off the top of his head? No, he looked it up. And in most statistical sources, it says that he has played 3 tests despite the third test still ongoing.

For example, on HowStat, if you look up his test matches in Sri Lanka, it says he has played 3 test matches at an average of 21.50 (but only 4 innings). http://www.howstat.com/cricket/statistics/Players/PlayerCountries.asp?PlayerID=3675
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cricketjoshila said:
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/259410.html?class=1;template=results;type=allround

What about cricinfo?They twisting it as well?
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But u should HV mentioned that the game is in operation n that shehzz hasn't had an innings yet
 
axl100mph said:
Even then, he has to be vigilant and responsible for what he says coz he is in an argument here.
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If you read the post he answered, a guy was asking him about the test matches Shehzad played in Sri Lanka and his average there. It wasn't a part of the argument.

Anyway when most people look at statistics they just glance at it. You can't accuse someone of lying just because they didn't fully read how many innings he played.
 
cricketjoshila said:
You need to learn to read stats sir.Once the test match starts and even 1 ball is bowled the test gets added in the players career stats.But since he hasnt started his innings it doesnt gets added in the innings list.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/259410.html?class=1;template=results;type=allround

ESPNCricinfo agrees with me.Seems they are lying as well.
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I think you have a brain of your own? Or is it controlled by ESPN cricinfo as well? Because if you had bothered using your brain you would have easily noticed that the third test is a test that just started yesterday. Now, i am gonna tell you a secret. Go to cricinfo>open a player's profile > go to their test matches list> And voila!

Not that difficult. :))
 
11ShadyBrothers said:
Exactly my point. Where on the title does it just mentions tests specifically? So what the hell are you on about, mate? Tests are the purest format. HAHAHA. Whattay legend you are. You will defend IPL in one thread, BCCI in another, ODI cricket in another and now tests is the purest format for you. Lejund!

Even in the purest format Rahane isnt the clear winner to begin with. So, your agenda pretty much falls flat.

I am talking about averages. No one is discussing centuries. I find it hilarious how you have to resort to clutching at straws now to defend your argument. :)) So, mesour do you really beleive that Rahane would be able to maintain an average of 50 throughout his career? Because if you are then i dont want to live on this planet anymore.
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Are you new to cricket? No one looks at batting averages without context. Rahane has numerous wrong decisions gone against him and despite that he averages 50+ overseas.
 
Sachin136 said:
Now you say he is lying without knowing anything. Do you think he knew the average off the top of his head? No, he looked it up. And in most statistical sources, it says that he has played 3 tests despite the third test still ongoing.

For example, on HowStat, if you look up his test matches in Sri Lanka, it says he has played 3 test matches at an average of 21.50 (but only 4 innings). http://www.howstat.com/cricket/statistics/Players/PlayerCountries.asp?PlayerID=3675
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cricketjoshila said:
Vigilant for what sir?

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/259410.html?class=1;template=results;type=allround

The most reputed cricket site agrees with me.Once a ball is bowled the test match is added to the players career.Thats not my fault.May be ICC should change the laws.
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Chalo I will have to agree with u as i was being a bit too harsh. but still it would be better if u mentioned about the test being in operation
 
Exactly my point. Where on the title does it just mentions tests specifically?
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I specifically mentioned tests in my post that you quoted.Go read again.

So what the hell are you on about, mate? Tests are the purest format. HAHAHA. Whattay legend you are. You will defend IPL in one thread, BCCI in another, ODI cricket in another and now tests is the purest format for you. Lejund!
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Which old poster you are with a new name?Came out,didnt you?

Btw what has IPL or BCCI got to do here?

Test is the purest format of the game and thats the view of the experts.Your crying wont change it.



Even in the purest format Rahane isnt the clear winner to begin with. So, your agenda pretty much falls flat.
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He is a clear winner over HTB shehzad.

I am talking about averages. No one is discussing centuries. I find it hilarious how you have to resort to clutching at straws now to defend your argument. :)) So, mesour do you really beleive that Rahane would be able to maintain an average of 50 throughout his career? Because if you are then i dont want to live on this planet anymore.
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I am discussing performance outside Asia.And yes Rahane will maintain a 50 plus avg throughout his career.And he will avg 45 plus away from home.And where you want to live isnt my concern sir.
 
Sachin136 said:
Are you new to cricket? No one looks at batting averages without context. Rahane has numerous wrong decisions gone against him and despite that he averages 50+ overseas.
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Aww. So, now they need to add another column for rahane in stats, right? The number of wrong decisions against him. :( Poor rahane, whole world conspiring against him and his indian brothers. PCB kanspiracy!
 
Sachin136 said:
Now you say he is lying without knowing anything. Do you think he knew the average off the top of his head? No, he looked it up. And in most statistical sources, it says that he has played 3 tests despite the third test still ongoing.

For example, on HowStat, if you look up his test matches in Sri Lanka, it says he has played 3 test matches at an average of 21.50 (but only 4 innings). http://www.howstat.com/cricket/statistics/Players/PlayerCountries.asp?PlayerID=3675
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11ShadyBrothers said:
Axl, CJ would do anything to try to prove he is right by using hook or crook. I am a long time lurker and i know how it goes. :))
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Larkey, ATM rahane is way ahead of shehzad. U will be better placed to argue about shehzzi's competence after 2016.
He is better at ODI though, whereas for t20 , rahane is the worse of the two despite being a better all round batsman than shehzad
 
cricketjoshila said:
I specifically mentioned tests in my post that you quoted.Go read again.



Which old poster you are with a new name?Came out,didnt you?

Btw what has IPL or BCCI got to do here?

Test is the purest format of the game and thats the view of the experts.Your crying wont change it.





He is a clear winner over HTB shehzad.



I am discussing performance outside Asia.And yes Rahane will maintain a 50 plus avg throughout his career.And he will avg 45 plus away from home.And where you want to live isnt my concern sir.
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I think you need to get your head around a simple fact that everyone is discussing ODIs here. And the post you quoted mentioned T20 and ODI stats as well. Very simple. Or do i have to explain it step by step to you too?

Ekh. Resorting to personal insults and calling me out as an old poster. You can do better than that, mate. Or maybe not. The only person who is crying here is you and trust me no one gives two hoots about whatever you trying to prove here now because Rahane is awful in ODIs and t20s and like i said Shehzad wipes the floor with him.

Calling shehzad an HTB when he has played only 2 away tests? Your bachi kuchi credibility if there was any left, goes down the dump.

Wow, i am just gonna bookmark it here.
 
11ShadyBrothers said:
Aww. So, now they need to add another column for rahane in stats, right? The number of wrong decisions against him. :( Poor rahane, whole world conspiring against him and his indian brothers. PCB kanspiracy!
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:facepalm:

Did I say there is any conspiracy against him? No? Then stop trying to read my mind. I was simply saying that even with all these wrong decisions Rahane clearly has performed much better than Shehzad.

Now, for all we know, Shehzad can go overseas and perform very well (which is unlikely, from however much I have seen him bat, but still possible). The sample size is too little to dispute his performance outside UAE so far. But until he does that, Rahane is a better test player by far.
 
axl100mph said:
Larkey, ATM rahane is way ahead of shehzad. U will be better placed to argue about shehzzi's competence after 2016.
He is better at ODI though, whereas for t20 , rahane is the worse of the two despite being a better all round batsman than shehzad
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Of course. I am holding out on my opinion on away performances in tests till 2016. Like i mentioned in my previous posts as well.
 
axl100mph said:
Larkey, ATM rahane is way ahead of shehzad. U will be better placed to argue about shehzzi's competence after 2016.
He is better at ODI though, whereas for t20 , rahane is the worse of the two despite being a better all round batsman than shehzad
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Rahane hasn't done too well in ODIs (mainly because batting at #4 seems like a very wrong position for him), but he outperforms Shehzad in T20s.
 
Hehehe.... And some people have the audacity to compare the two in tests/odis/t20s :younis

Batted like a proper tail-ender today.Watching at home, one could predict that he was gonna get LBW to an inswinger the way he was lunging forward and leaving the away swingers.

I can guarantee he won't last 30 balls on avg. in Eng/NZ/SA/AUS.
 
Rahane isn't fun to watch in ODIs at all.
 
Why the fight boys.

Shehzad is rubbish and everybody knows that. Just one of his fan saying otherwise and putting him ahead of Rahane doesn't mean anything so neighbors let's chill.

I'd take Rahane over Shehzad even in ODIs, but ideally both are not suited to the format.

The comparison is an insult to Rahane who is technically a very good batsman while Shehzad is a static feet blocker.
 
A come back after that unfortunate injury in UAE where he scored 150+. First innings got out to a good ball by Prasad. Hopefully he will redeem it in the second innings.
 
Hawkeye said:
Why the fight boys.

Shehzad is rubbish and everybody knows that. Just one of his fan saying otherwise and putting him ahead of Rahane doesn't mean anything so neighbors let's chill.

I'd take Rahane over Shehzad even in ODIs, but ideally both are not suited to the format.

The comparison is an insult to Rahane who is technically a very good batsman while Shehzad is a static feet blocker.
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Yada yada yada. Your opinon = Everyone's opinion? LMAO
 
His real test will come when he plays outside Asia. I think he will struggle considering all his technical flaws
 
Wait what? Did someone just say Shehzad is equal to Rahane in tests? Joke of the day for me :)) :)) :)))
 
Rahane in Lanka is proving rather suspect. Shuffling him up and down the line-up to accommodate Rohit isn't helping matters either.
 
Varun said:
Rahane in Lanka is proving rather suspect. Shuffling him up and down the line-up to accommodate Rohit isn't helping matters either.
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He looks well on the path to being a batsman who's a gem overseas but is mediocre in overseas conditions. However, he'll be a permanent feature of the Test side for the next 7-8 years and rightly so.
 
Varun said:
Rahane in Lanka is proving rather suspect. Shuffling him up and down the line-up to accommodate Rohit isn't helping matters either.
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Still a quality batsman and being shoved around the lineup is hurting him, like you said.
 
Have seen him get out like that soooooo many times.

Shehzad 11 test

Rahane 17 test

Shehzad 21 innings

Rahane 31 innings

Shehzad 3 tons

Rahane 3 tons

Shehzad 3 fifties

Rahane 7 fifties

Shehzad avg 43

Rahane avg 43.

Shehzad age 23.

Rahane age 27.

Shehzad never played a single innings at home.

Shehzad is the MUCH better ODI cricketer too.
 
Bullet Drive said:
Have seen him get out like that soooooo many times.

Shehzad 11 test

Rahane 17 test

Shehzad 21 innings

Rahane 31 innings

Shehzad 3 tons

Rahane 3 tons

Shehzad 3 fifties

Rahane 7 fifties

Shehzad avg 43

Rahane avg 43.

Shehzad age 23.

Rahane age 27.

Shehzad never played a single innings at home.

Shehzad is the MUCH better ODI cricketer too.
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"Shehzad never played a single innings at home"
Bus kr dey bhaai, stop clutching at straws.
Uae conditions r even flatter than the ones in pak.
Atleast in pak, there used to be some moisture from the overnight due.
If anything, its rahane who has performed awayrom home.
Just see what happens to shehzzi when he tours england next year.
 
Now, a second innings ton in Lanka to set-up a chase after going 0-1 down in the series!

Well done Rahane! Shows he is proficient on a spinning deck as well.
 
100s in England, New Zealand, Sri Lanka.

90s in Bangladesh, South Africa.

This one came at #3.
 
Bullet Drive said:
Have seen him get out like that soooooo many times.

Shehzad 11 test

Rahane 17 test

Shehzad 21 innings

Rahane 31 innings

Shehzad 3 tons

Rahane 3 tons

Shehzad 3 fifties

Rahane 7 fifties

Shehzad avg 43

Rahane avg 43.

Shehzad age 23.

Rahane age 27.

Shehzad never played a single innings at home.

Shehzad is the MUCH better ODI cricketer too.
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Excellent post. Shehzad is younger than rahane and has more in his tank to offer. Lets hope he does well in 2016 to end this argument once and for all.
 
Varun said:
100s in England, New Zealand, Sri Lanka.

90s in Bangladesh, South Africa.

This one came at #3.
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A couple of 100s in Australia as well - to add to the list.
 
Shehzad plays for himself. Rahane, like most batsmen around the world, plays for the team.

Any stats are rendered useless once people realize this ultimate difference.
 
*syed59* said:
Shehzad plays for himself. Rahane, like most batsmen around the world, plays for the team.

Any stats are rendered useless once people realize this ultimate difference.
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How did you come to that conclusion?
 
Rahane currently averages 51 away from home. This includes 16 tests played in Aus,SA,NZ,Eng and SL.

Doubt Shehzad can match that. Hell, how many Pakistani or Asian batsman in history have matched that?

Rahane is something truly special for India.
 
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Red Devil said:
How did you come to that conclusion?
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If someone stands drunk in front of you with that smell oozing out of his mouth, do you need alien abilities ? Or are your senses and your knowledge of what and how a wine drinker is, enough to reach a conclusion of him being drunk ?

Just an example, don't take it too seriously on Shehzad.
 
Scrolln said:
Rahane currently averages 51 away from home. This includes 16 tests played in Aus,SA,NZ,Eng and SL.

Doubt Selfie can match that. Hell, how many Pakistani or Asian batsman in history have matched that?

Rahane is something truly special for India.
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Somehow never gets the hype. Everybody is all about Root, Kohli, Williamson, Smith blah blah.

Rahane and Darren Bravo sort of fly under the radar.
 
Scrolln said:
Rahane currently averages 51 away from home. This includes 16 tests played in Aus,SA,NZ,Eng and SL.

Doubt Selfie can match that. Hell, how many Pakistani or Asian batsman in history have matched that?

Rahane is something truly special for India.
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You must be delusional to think that he can keep that average till the end of his career.
 
11ShadyBrothers said:
You must be delusional to think that he can keep that average till the end of his career.
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I dont think you understand the significance of these stats.

Rahane has played only one test at home. And he has looked comfortable in every country he has played so far, which includes all the major tests playing nations barring the rubbish WIndies.

I remember only SRT from the subcontinent who was as successful in his first series in every nation. Even he struggled in NZ.

I would be dissapointed if he does not better or maintain his overseas stats from here on. Most batsmen take a tour or two to get used to overseas conditions. Rahane has adapted extremely quick.
 
Glad you guys liked it. :misbah

Nothing more satisfying than watching people taking a seriously immense analogy remark so lightly. :rosco
 
Both are overrated. Real batsman can play in all formats. Rahane is rubbish in limited overs. Out of the 2, Shehzad is clearly the dominant one even though he himself is nothing special either.
 
Energetic said:
Both are overrated. Real batsman can play in all formats. Rahane is rubbish in limited overs. Out of the 2, Shehzad is clearly the dominant one even though he himself is nothing special either.
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I think the argument is that Rahane is in fact, underrated.
 
Rahane's overseas record in his first shot is extremely underrated (even that involves quite a few wrong decisions which is partly due to the scared kitten look he has on his face).

Rahane's only weakness is spin. He doesn't get right in front and can struggle in good spin tracks. If he sorts that out, he will be a sureshot ATG (of course no one can predict such stuff with certainty as careers can derail but as of now, he looks solid).

Rahane vs Shezzy boy will be a no competition IMHO.

Let's wait and watch.
 
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Both are overrated. Real batsman can play in all formats. Rahane is rubbish in limited overs. Out of the 2, Shehzad is clearly the dominant one even though he himself is nothing special either.
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Thats true that a real batsman can play in all formats. I have noticed Indian posters trying to slip in Rahane like some test demi god everytime and in all honesty its very annoying when they claim that oh how under-rated he is, when he is not. Shehzad wipes the floor with rahane in the 2 formats by miles and even in the test one the comparison wont be just until the end of 2016.
 
Maybe Rahane at No 3 is a blessing oin disguise for us.

At No 3 he can control the game properly.

Plus its better he faces pace at first as opposed to spin (which he is tentative when starting out).

Let's see how he continues at this spot.
 
11ShadyBrothers said:
Thats true that a real batsman can play in all formats. I have noticed Indian posters trying to slip in Rahane like some test demi god everytime and in all honesty its very annoying when they claim that oh how under-rated he is, when he is not. Shehzad wipes the floor with rahane in the 2 formats by miles and even in the test one the comparison wont be just until the end of 2016.
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So YK is not a real batsman?
 
[MENTION=139202]11ShadyBrothers[/MENTION] is as deluded as they come.
There is a world of difference btw the quality of the two players in question.

I wonder where he will hide come 2017, when shehzz would hv shown us what he is good for on overseas soil
 
axl100mph said:
[MENTION=139202]11ShadyBrothers[/MENTION] is as deluded as they come.
There is a world of difference btw the quality of the two players in question.

I wonder where he will hide come 2017, when shehzz would hv shown us what he is good for on overseas soil
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How am i deluded? Is he better than shehzad in odis and t20s? Did i make any future prediction like you who seems to own some crystal ball?
 
I think Rahane does not get the rating he deserves because of his body language. Most of the time his face looks scared, even when he is doing well.
 
Rahane is India's Shafiq - very good in tests, but poor in LO's. Rahane in tests is way ahead of Shehzad at this point. Shehzad is better in LO's.
 
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