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Ahmed Shehzad vs Ajinkya Rahane : The better future prospect?

biggestdravidfan said:
Pakistan should first find a batsman to match Rohit sharma. Then think about matching Kohli , Rahane and Pujara. :misbah
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Misbah is better then every Indian batsmen bar Kohli, Pujara. Younis Khan is better then Sharma in Tests and everyone below him. Ahmad Shehzad is better then Dhawan.

Get over this delusion that you got greater batsmen then Pakistan. Pakistan is now starting to become a decent batting side.
 
Shehzad needs more time in test to make a comparison and Rahane needs more time in ODIs to make a comparison.
 
Zohaib Shah said:
Misbah is better then every Indian batsmen bar Kohli, Pujara. Younis Khan is better then Sharma in Tests and everyone below him. Ahmad Shehzad is better then Dhawan.

Get over this delusion that you got greater batsmen then Pakistan. Pakistan is now starting to become a decent batting side.
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I said 'find' , which means young and upcoming batsmen. Misbah and Younis are established batsman and without a doubt much better than Sharma ji. After the retirement of Misbah and Younis , not even god knows what would happen to Pakistani batting . Shehzad celebrates a century against Bangladeshi trundlers as if it was against a bowling line up of Ambrose , Donald , Lillee and Waqar.
 
biggestdravidfan said:
I said 'find' , which means young and upcoming batsmen. Misbah and Younis are established batsman and without a doubt much better than Sharma ji. After the retirement of Misbah and Younis , not even god knows what would happen to Pakistani batting . Shehzad celebrates a century against Bangladeshi trundlers as if it was against a bowling line up of Ambrose , Donald , Lillee and Waqar.
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Your whole nation celebrated the hundredth 100 by Sachin against Bangladesh so I would not be complaining. :)))
 
biggestdravidfan said:
I said 'find' , which means young and upcoming batsmen. Misbah and Younis are established batsman and without a doubt much better than Sharma ji. After the retirement of Misbah and Younis , not even god knows what would happen to Pakistani batting . Shehzad celebrates a century against Bangladeshi trundlers as if it was against a bowling line up of Ambrose , Donald , Lillee and Waqar.
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have you seen that celebration???
well zohaib shah is true that whole india celebrated madly that century & you are alleging young man for celebrates who didnt even raised his bat ag the same team.

plz check some archives threads bcz there was a thread with the name of shezads celebrations started by somebody
 
biggestdravidfan said:
If we can't win an argument , we'll drag Sachin into it. #lahorilogic
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I dragged Sachin in because you accused Ahmad Shehzad of celebrating a century against Bangladesh. Where as your whole nation celebrated a Sachin century against Bangladesh. So I don't see how I lost this argument by bring Sachin in? These are facts you yourself cannot deny.
 
biggestdravidfan said:
I said 'find' , which means young and upcoming batsmen. Misbah and Younis are established batsman and without a doubt much better than Sharma ji. After the retirement of Misbah and Younis , not even god knows what would happen to Pakistani batting . Shehzad celebrates a century against Bangladeshi trundlers as if it was against a bowling line up of Ambrose , Donald , Lillee and Waqar.
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lol shehzad didnt even celebrate that century . what a fail
 
Shehzad didn't even raise his bat when he scored a ton

Indians jealous as usual, nothing new.

You were jealous of Umar Akmal first, then Nasir Jamshed & now its Ahmed Shehzad. Stop your hate.
 
Bullet Drive said:
Shehzad didn't even raise his bat when he scored a ton

Indians jealous as usual, nothing new.

You were jealous of Umar Akmal first, then Nasir Jamshed & now its Ahmed Shehzad. Stop your hate.
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You're embarrassing yourself and other Pakistani fans..
 
Averaging 40 these days is nothing special at ALL. Yet here we are talking about 3 PP legends who don't even average that :facepalm:

Pipe Bomb.
 
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Aman said:
Why on earth should anyone be jealous of Pakistan's under 40 club? :facepalm:
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Umar Akmal aevrages 38-39, which is just under 40. Shehzad's average is on the lower side because he had a poor start to his career. The way he's going, though, I can see him touching 40 at least. Jamshed averaged way more than 40, but that went down due to a dip in form. He can still get to 40.

The fact that you think averaging 40 is 'nothing special at ALL' shows how much you know about cricket.

Stick to the sport the guy in your avatar plays.
 
Square Drive said:
Umar Akmal aevrages 38-39, which is just under 40. Shehzad's average is on the lower side because he had a poor start to his career. The way he's going, though, I can see him touching 40 at least. Jamshed averaged way more than 40, but that went down due to a dip in form. He can still get to 40.

The fact that you think averaging 40 is 'nothing special at ALL' shows how much you know about cricket.

Stick to the sport the guy in your avatar plays.
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38 at 6 :91:

Dhoni averages 55 at 5-6 and has his average scrutinized, what of Sir Akmal jr? :yk
 
Aman said:
38 at 6 :91:

Dhoni averages 55 at 5-6 and has his average scrutinized, what of Sir Akmal jr? :yk
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I didn't say Umar is better than Dhoni. I think it's pretty obvious that MSD is better. He's suited down the order.

However, that's not the case with Umar. UA is a middle-order batsman. That's just like putting Kane Williamson at #6 and then comparing him with MSD (a specialist #6 batsman).
 
Square Drive said:
I didn't say Umar is better than Dhoni. I think it's pretty obvious that MSD is better. He's suited down the order.

However, that's not the case with Umar. UA is a middle-order batsman. That's just like putting Kane Williamson at #6 and then comparing him with MSD (a specialist #6 batsman).
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Umar Akmal has done nothing, end of.

It's ignorant to think people are jealous of Pakistan because you have Akmal, Nasir and Shehzad.
 
Aman said:
Umar Akmal has done nothing, end of.

It's ignorant to think people are jealous of Pakistan because you have Akmal, Nasir and Shehzad.
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Nothing? Averaging 38 at #6 for a #4 batsman is definitely something.

Well, that's exactly what happened above - an Indian poster was taking a cheap shot at Shehzad above by saying that he celebrated a ton vs Bangladesh. India don't have consistent openers at the moment, while we do in the form of Shehzad. Hence, the jealousy.
 
Square Drive said:
Nothing? Averaging 38 at #6 for a #4 batsman is definitely something.

Well, that's exactly what happened above - an Indian poster was taking a cheap shot at Shehzad above by saying that he celebrated a ton vs Bangladesh. India don't have consistent openers at the moment, while we do in the form of Shehzad. Hence, the jealousy.
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Hm for a #4 batsmen who averages what at 4? :13:

Marks...
 
Shehzad is potentially a 35 averaging player at a strike rate of 75, Jamshed 40 at 80 and Umar 45 at 85-90.

This is their upper limit which means they will end up lower because very few players maximize their potential. Jamshed is the best batsman in Pakistan after U.Akmal and I'd put Maqsood at 3. Haris and Amin are as good but they are not proven yet. Speaking of the younger players, Younis and Misbah don't count.
 
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Aman said:
Hm for a #4 batsmen who averages what at 4? :13:

Marks...
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Averages 18 from the 3 games he's played there (out of 94 he's played in total). If you are judging him based on just 3 innings, then you are simply cruel.

Give him at least 10 games on a trot at that position and then talk.
 
Mamoon said:
Shehzad is potentially a 35 averaging player at a strike rate of 75, Jamshed 40 at 80 and Umar 45 at 85-90.

This is their upper limit which means they will end up lower because very few players maximize their potential. Jamshed is the best batsman in Pakistan after U.Akmal and I'd put Maqsood at 3. Haris and Amin are as good but they are not proven yet. Speaking of the younger players, Younis and Misbah don't count.
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Agreed, Umar's attitude problems will keep him in the high 30s to low 40s.
 
Square Drive said:
Nothing? Averaging 38 at #6 for a #4 batsman is definitely something.

Well, that's exactly what happened above - an Indian poster was taking a cheap shot at Shehzad above by saying that he celebrated a ton vs Bangladesh. India don't have consistent openers at the moment, while we do in the form of Shehzad. Hence, the jealousy.
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Delusions? Not many people in the world would cal Pakistani openers better than Indian openers.
 
Mamoon said:
Shehzad is potentially a 35 averaging player at a strike rate of 75, Jamshed 40 at 80 and Umar 45 at 85-90.

This is their upper limit which means they will end up lower because very few players maximize their potential. Jamshed is the best batsman in Pakistan after U.Akmal and I'd put Maqsood at 3. Haris and Amin are as good but they are not proven yet. Speaking of the younger players, Younis and Misbah don't count.
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Shehzad is almost averaging 35 despite failing in quite a few of his early games??

and I think Shehzad has much more potential compared to Jamshed, things like Conversion of 50s to 100s, performing away from home confirm that...

If shehzad ends up averaging 35 in ODIs and 40 in Tests, he would stand among all time great Pakistani openers
 
is this comparison still valid Shehzad has proved himself in all formats while Rahane is struggling to hold off his place
 
hur rizvi said:
TBF Rahane in test matches has given some very very good performances
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Yes indeed. As leatherface mentioned, if he was a Pak guy, all hell would have broken loose.

Truly impressive innings he played in Tests.

But still a long way to go.

By the way, Indians jealous of Ahmed Shehzad made a chuckle. Some fans genuinely think that.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Yes indeed. As leatherface mentioned, if he was a Pak guy, all hell would have broken loose.

Truly impressive innings he played in Tests.

But still a long way to go.

By the way, Indians jealous of Ahmed Shehzad made a chuckle. Some fans genuinely think that.
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I am a big fan of shehzad and hope that he will perform well, he has the potential, he doesnt necessarily have to be better than Kohli or Rahane to be good for Pakistan...

I would be more than happy if he averages 35-37 in ODIs with 80 S/R and averages 40+ in tests, I seriously beleive he has potential to acheive these averages or even better if he keeps working hard on his game
 
hur rizvi said:
I am a big fan of shehzad and hope that he will perform well, he has the potential, he doesnt necessarily have to be better than Kohli or Rahane to be good for Pakistan...

I would be more than happy if he averages 35-37 in ODIs with 80 S/R and averages 40+ in tests, I seriously beleive he has potential to acheive these averages or even better if he keeps working hard on his game
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Very sane post! In fact, this applies to all cricketers.. Why do they need to be better than contemporaries always?!
 
Sidilicious said:
Delusions? Not many people in the world would cal Pakistani openers better than Indian openers.
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None from Rohit or Dhawan are better than Shehzad. Truly FTBs they are, while Shehzad has scored tons at UAE and away against best bowling attack of this generation.
 
Hawkeye said:
None from Rohit or Dhawan are better than Shehzad. Truly FTBs they are, while Shehzad has scored tons at UAE and away against best bowling attack of this generation.
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I suppose Shehzad scored a ton against the Lankan attack and Cook failed. So Shehzad > Cook. Besides, Shehzad has a comparable test average to Cook as well. :sanga
 
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hur rizvi said:
I am a big fan of shehzad and hope that he will perform well, he has the potential, he doesnt necessarily have to be better than Kohli or Rahane to be good for Pakistan...

I would be more than happy if he averages 35-37 in ODIs with 80 S/R and averages 40+ in tests, I seriously beleive he has potential to acheive these averages or even better if he keeps working hard on his game
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Absolutely. Never said Shehzad was bad at all. Who knows maybe Shehzad can achieve a lot more too.
 
Sidilicious said:
Delusions? Not many people in the world would cal Pakistani openers better than Indian openers.
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Why is that so? Who do you have? Do you have any opener more consistent than Shehzad? You Indians are the only ones that wouldn't call Pakistani openers better than Indian openers. And what's ironic is that you think I'm deluded. You Indians need to get over the delusions that Indians openers/batsman are way better than those of Pakistan's.
 
Holding on well on the greenest pitch you'll see is Rahane. Top scorer with 46* (99) at the moment.
 
This knock should clear all doubts on Rahane.. The lad can bat, and bat well
 
He is India's best player overseas...I kept saying this and I will stand by this. Pujara throws his wicket away quite often after getting a start to my liking. Kohli has been too lose here too and in NZ. His shot to get out when India were cruising chasing 400 was one of the worst I have seen in recent times especially when you know that you have a very inexperienced middle order.
 
I don't know why people don't rate him. Guy scored 96 against Steyn, Philly and Morkel in South Africa. Then scored a ton in NZ when team needed it. Now scoring a half century on a proper green top. Let Shehzad bat on this kind of pitch. Then it will be a more apt comparison.
 
OK, he has batted well so far for his 50, but how does it prove he's better than Shehzad? He seems to have a good defense though.

Shehzad has played ONLY 3 tests so far that too in UAE, and has scored Tons there. With his good ODI record in hostile conditions of SA against best bowling attack, he has scored tons.

Nothing suggests he won't perform the same when he plays more Tests. So far, nothing can be 100% said about both Rahane and Shehzad when it comes to Tests as they haven't played much.
 
Hawkeye said:
OK, he has batted well so far for his 50, but how does it prove he's better than Shehzad? He seems to have a good defense though.

Shehzad has played ONLY 3 tests so far that too in UAE, and has scored Tons there. With his good ODI record in hostile conditions of SA against best bowling attack, he has scored tons.

Nothing suggests he won't perform the same when he plays more Tests. So far, nothing can be 100% said about both Rahane and Shehzad when it comes to Tests as they haven't played much.
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Relax, this thread is just comparing the two as and when they go along.
 
Hawkeye said:
OK, he has batted well so far for his 50, but how does it prove he's better than Shehzad? He seems to have a good defense though.

Shehzad has played ONLY 3 tests so far that too in UAE, and has scored Tons there. With his good ODI record in hostile conditions of SA against best bowling attack, he has scored tons.

Nothing suggests he won't perform the same when he plays more Tests. So far, nothing can be 100% said about both Rahane and Shehzad when it comes to Tests as they haven't played much.
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Rahane so far has played in 3 countries and has performed in all 3. Yeah he might have the odd poor series here and there but overall he has shown that he has the technique and temperament to survive and fight in tough conditions. His runs have all been in tough situations when the team has required him to score.
 
giri26 said:
Rahane so far has played in 3 countries and has performed in all 3. Yeah he might have the odd poor series here and there but overall he has shown that he has the technique and temperament to survive and fight in tough conditions. His runs have all been in tough situations when the team has required him to score.
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Surely looks better than Kohli in Tests.
 
He has better technique, a better timer of the ball and a greater range of shots. Also, plays spin better. I've always put him in the bracket of Kohli and Pujara as far as ability is concerned and the reason why he hasn't kicked on in ODIs is because he bats at the wrong position. He's an opener.

The only thing Shehzad is better at is spending time at beauty salons and obsessing with Kohli.

My favorite upcoming batsman from the subcontinent along with U. Akmal.
 
Rahane is ahead in tests, while Shehzad in LOI's as of know.As I said before, we will get a clearer picture 4-5 series down the line.
 
Hawkeye said:
I know. Just wanted to assert that he looks like a good prospect.
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I agree though. Kohli needs to work again on his game. His hyper-aggressive attitude isn't serving him well now. Rahane definitely is better in tests than Kohli right now.
 
Mamoon said:
He has better technique, a better timer of the ball and a greater range of shots. Also, plays spin better. I've always put him in the bracket of Kohli and Pujara as far as ability is concerned and the reason why he hasn't kicked on in ODIs is because he bats at the wrong position. He's an opener.

The only thing Shehzad is better at is spending time at beauty salons and obsessing with Kohli.

My favorite upcoming batsman from the subcontinent along with U. Akmal.
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Well, "Jinks" has primarily opened in the few ODIs he's played IIRC.
 
On comm they said Rahane is an opener in FC surely hes a better bet than Dhawan outside the SC.
 
Rahane should stick to his no.5 spot.. We have better openers to groom in India like Karun Nair and Jiwanjot
 
Woohoo!

Succeeds in England, New Zealand and South Africa.

Now he just needs to score against everyone in India and we have a gun #5.
 
Kane Williamson, Ajinkya Rahane are two most aesthetically pleasing batsmen I've seen in the current generation. So much class!
 
It was a great knock by Rahane.

If he had partners, he wouldn't have punched a good length delivery to force the pace. Great catch by Jimmy though.

Towards the end, he was simply toying around with the English bowling.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
It was a great knock by Rahane.

If he had partners, he wouldn't have punched a good length delivery to force the pace. Great catch by Jimmy though.

Towards the end, he was simply toying around with the English bowling.
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Durban was probably on his mind, he got stranded on 96 there. So did Laxman going back a few years. Getting centuries from #5 always seems tight.
 
Varun said:
Durban was probably on his mind, he got stranded on 96 there. So did Laxman going back a few years. Getting centuries from #5 always seems tight.
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Once Ashwin and Bhuvi are permanent members (which they will be), Indian lineup is going to get really strong. Rahane will make a lot more centuries.

Just have to throw out Dhoni somehow.

Jaddu has no business playing as an allrounder in Tests. Its a crime. He can play as one of the bowlers if needed.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Once Ashwin and Bhuvi are permanent members (which they will be), Indian lineup is going to get really strong. Rahane will make a lot more centuries.

Just have to throw out Dhoni somehow.

Jaddu has no business playing as an allrounder in Tests. Its a crime. He can play as one of the bowlers if needed.
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Agreed. Why don't the journalists at the pressers fire these questions to him? He can't run away.
 
A brilliant innings on a green pitch when Indians were in a huge trouble. Dude has a god balance between defense and attack. One of the better knocks in Eng by SC batsmen. He played brilliant knocks in SA and NZ as well.
 
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Agreed. Why don't the journalists at the pressers fire these questions to him? He can't run away.
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Dhoni will then praise every player to deflect it.

If it doesn't work, he will get philosophical.

If that doesn't work, he will say team strategy.
 
he has already surpassed shehzad with just one innings

shehzad has done nothing out of the ordinary...... his knock against bangladesh was a personal achievement for him which says a lot
 
Has he? Since he raised his game in Tests, I've primarily seen him bat at number 4 in ODIs which is wrong.
 
Mamoon said:
Has he? Since he raised his game in Tests, I've primarily seen him bat at number 4 in ODIs which is wrong.
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Yes he batted at No 4 in ODIs in the recent times. Wasted a lot of balls. Was a burden to the team.

He needs to work on his ODI game. Opener slot would be good.
 
Mamoon said:
Has he? Since he raised his game in Tests, I've primarily seen him bat at number 4 in ODIs which is wrong.
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He started off as an opener in ODI's. Rahane is a player who will not slog and is a correct player. Opening is the best spot for him in ODI's as he likes to play along the ground most of the times. He should stick to number 5 in tests.
 
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