An Afghan woman in Kabul: ‘Now I have to burn everything I achieved’

[WhenSultansBowled]

Germany and Japan were smashed in WW2, all their cities levelled, their industrial capacity and rail networks destroyed. Germany was even split into two countries. USA helped them rebuild. Why didn’t resistance fighters in those countries fight on, do you think, if Americans are so horrible?

As for munitions being sprayed around, even today you can find WW1 shells in the fields of France.

Some 75% of Afghan spending has come from overseas for the past two decades, so the West made a huge effort to nation-build with thousands of miles of road, wind and solar power, clean water supplies, hospitals and yes universities which women could attend.

LoL. Both Germany and Japan have companies older than USA. These were advanced economies with production lines, vast industrial parks/zones and skilled labor.

In comparison, Afghanistan doesn't even have a passenger train in 2021. Let that sink in.

I have never been in Japan, but I've been in Germany multiple times and I can assure you "all of their cities weren't leveled".

Do you realize the difference of destruction between WW1/2 ammunition/missiles and the modern ones?

Enlighten me, post videos / photos of so called 1000s of KMS of roads and video of power plants.

I won't be a hypocrite, if 'Muricans really did all that, then genuine Kudos to them.

 

[Robert]

LoL. Both Germany and Japan have companies older than USA. These were advanced economies with production lines, vast industrial parks/zones and skilled labor.

In comparison, Afghanistan doesn't even have a passenger train in 2021. Let that sink in.

I have never been in Japan, but I've been in Germany multiple times and I can assure you "all of their cities weren't leveled".

Do you realize the difference of destruction between WW1/2 ammunition/missiles and the modern ones?

Enlighten me, post videos / photos of so called 1000s of KMS of roads and video of power plants.

I won't be a hypocrite, if 'Muricans really did all that, then genuine Kudos to them.

Well, Afghanistan didn’t get nuked for one thing. For another, Tokyo was raised to the ground by the incendiary attack which killed 200,000 civilians. For another, read about the destruction of Dresden.

Modern airdropped munitions are quite light and very specifically aimed. Whereas a WW2 bombing raid on Germany involved a thousand bombers with around ten tonnes’ payload of highly inaccurate bombs per bomber. They flew to a city centre and unloaded on it. The German cities were hit throughout 1943 to February 1945 in rotation. The bomber war wound down after that because there was nothing significant left to destroy.

Mercedes-Benz and Mitsubishi existed pre-WW2 but their turnover would have been reduced to 1% of prewar levels due to destroyed works and supply chains and skilled labour killed in the saturation bombing. The Marshall plan was key to getting them back up and running.

I can remember playing on bomb sites in London as a boy - it took decades to fix the Blitz damage - and London took only a tiny fraction of the horror rained on the Axis cities.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Well, Afghanistan didn’t get nuked for one thing. For another, Tokyo was raised to the ground by the incendiary attack which killed 200,000 civilians. For another, read about the destruction of Dresden.

Modern airdropped munitions are quite light and very specifically aimed. Whereas a WW2 bombing raid on Germany involved a thousand bombers with around ten tonnes’ payload of highly inaccurate bombs per bomber. They flew to a city centre and unloaded on it. The German cities were hit throughout 1943 to February 1945 in rotation. The bomber war wound down after that because there was nothing significant left to destroy.

Mercedes-Benz and Mitsubishi existed pre-WW2 but their turnover would have been reduced to 1% of prewar levels due to destroyed works and supply chains and skilled labour killed in the saturation bombing. The Marshall plan was key to getting them back up and running.

I can remember playing on bomb sites in London as a boy - it took decades to fix the Blitz damage - and London took only a tiny fraction of the horror rained on the Axis cities.

Fair enough.

Also let's not forget that CIA's operations were also funded by an important part of Plan Marshall money. It was like USA starting a "new game" and making up the Europe according to their own vision.

Thanks to the plan Marshall USA had access to all EU markets, uncontested. And thanks to this, USA lived an incredible economic growth.

To this day, UK/NATO support blindly anything USA says. USA accused Iraq of having WOMD and the UK/Spain etc. participated in death of millions of Iraqis.

From Wikipedia:

Spoiler

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Plan
Laissez-faire criticismEdit

Laissez-faire criticism of the Marshall Plan came from a number of economists. Wilhelm Röpke, who influenced German Minister for Economy Ludwig Erhard in his economic recovery program, believed recovery would be found in eliminating central planning and restoring a market economy in Europe, especially in those countries which had adopted more fascist and corporatist economic policies. Röpke criticized the Marshall Plan for forestalling the transition to the free market by subsidizing the current, failing systems. Erhard put Röpke's theory into practice and would later credit Röpke's influence for West Germany's preeminent success.[141]

Henry Hazlitt criticized the Marshall Plan in his 1947 book Will Dollars Save the World?, arguing that economic recovery comes through savings, capital accumulation, and private enterprise, and not through large cash subsidies. Austrian School economist Ludwig von Mises criticized the Marshall Plan in 1951, believing that "the American subsidies make it possible for [Europe's] governments to conceal partially the disastrous effects of the various socialist measures they have adopted".[142] Some critics and Congressmen at the time believed that America was giving too much aid to Europe. America had already given Europe $9 billion in other forms of help in previous years. The Marshall Plan gave another $13 billion, equivalent to about $100 billion in 2010 value.[143]
Modern criticismEdit

However, its role in the rapid recovery has been debated. Most reject the idea that it alone miraculously revived Europe since the evidence shows that a general recovery was already underway. The Marshall Plan grants were provided at a rate that was not much higher in terms of flow than the previous UNRRA aid and represented less than 3% of the combined national income of the recipient countries between 1948 and 1951,[10] which would mean an increase in GDP growth of only 0.3%.[11] In addition, there is no correlation between the amount of aid received and the speed of recovery: both France and the United Kingdom received more aid, but West Germany recovered significantly faster.[11]

Criticism of the Marshall Plan became prominent among historians of the revisionist school, such as Walter LaFeber, during the 1960s and 1970s. They argued that the plan was American economic imperialism and that it was an attempt to gain control over Western Europe just as the Soviets controlled Eastern Europe economically through the Comecon. In a review of West Germany's economy from 1945 to 1951, German analyst Werner Abelshauser concluded that "foreign aid was not crucial in starting the recovery or in keeping it going". The economic recoveries of France, Italy, and Belgium, Cowen argues, began a few months before the flow of US money. Belgium, the country that relied earliest and most heavily on free-market economic policies after its liberation in 1944, experienced swift recovery and avoided the severe housing and food shortages seen in the rest of continental Europe.[144]

Former US Chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank Alan Greenspan gives most credit to German Chancellor Ludwig Erhard for Europe's economic recovery. Greenspan writes in his memoir The Age of Turbulence that Erhard's economic policies were the most important aspect of postwar Western European recovery, even outweighing the contributions of the Marshall Plan. He states that it was Erhard's reductions in economic regulations that permitted Germany's miraculous recovery, and that these policies also contributed to the recoveries of many other European countries. Its recovery is attributed to traditional economic stimuli, such as increases in investment, fueled by a high savings rate and low taxes. Japan saw a large infusion of US investment during the Korean War.[145]
The Postwar Period coin

Noam Chomsky said the Marshall Plan "set the stage for large amounts of private U.S. investment in Europe, establishing the basis for modern transnational corporations".[146]

The Marshall Plan has been recently reinterpreted as a public policy approach to complex and multi-causal problems (wicked problems) in search of building integrated solutions with multilevel governance.[147]

This whole "'Murican good guys" chest thumping by people like you has been one of the main reasons USA has been able to consistently killing people all over the world from centuries, with complete impunity...

On basis of their weapons and a worldwide network spreading propaganda...

Here's a list of some international conventions that the US didn't ratify:

The Geneva convention

Convention on the Non-Applicability of Statutory Limitations to War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity

The International Criminal Court

Optional Protocol to the Convention against Torture

International Convention for the Protection of All Persons from Enforced Disappearance

Forced Labour Convention

Arms Trade Treaty

Mine Ban Treaty

Freedom of Association and Protection of the Right to Organise Convention

The Paris Agreement

Convention on Consent to Marriage, Minimum Age for Marriage and Registration of Marriages

Discrimination (Employment and Occupation) Convention

American Convention on Human Rights

Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women

The UN Convention on the Law of the Sea

Convention on the Rights of the Child

Do you see a theme, Robert? Maybe it is time to question, "are we the baddies?"

Apparently, it is never a crime against women and children when USA does it. All their bombs are full of freedom and democracy dreams.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

I highly doubt, anyone at PP is stupid enough to believe that "Taliban are auctioning off women in street" but Indian "news" media have been pushing this fake narrative to spread lies:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This video of a burqa-clad woman kneeling on the ground as a man shouts into a megaphone doesn't show Afghan women being 'auctioned off' after the Taliban takeover<br><br>The footage actually shows a stunt by Kurdish activists in London in 2014 <a href="https://t.co/ou6RDquvqM">https://t.co/ou6RDquvqM</a> <a href="https://t.co/VaquWtZ10n">pic.twitter.com/VaquWtZ10n</a></p>— AFP Fact Check �� (@AFPFactCheck) <a href="https://twitter.com/AFPFactCheck/status/1429352643915223042?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 22, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[MenInG]

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[OMB]

Pop star Aryana Sayeed escapes Afghanistan on US flight amid Taliban takeover


After four days of travelling, the 'Bache Kabul' singer has reached the US with her husband
Aryana Sayeed has been a driving force for Afghanistan's pop music scene.


The Afghan Bache Kabul singer, 36, revealed on social media that she managed to travel to Qatar on a US cargo jet with her husband, music producer Hasib Sayed.

“I had said in one of my recent interviews that I will be the last soldier to leave the Motherland, and interestingly enough, that is exactly what happened,” she wrote on her Instagram.

The singer revealed she flew from Doha to Istanbul, before confirming she has now made it safely to the US.

“Wanted to let everyone know that we have finally landed in the US after four days of travelling and exhaustion,” Sayeed said in an Instagram post on Saturday. The post shows a picture of hygiene essentials, including shampoo, toothpaste and hand sanitiser, given to the singer by the American Red Cross.

Afghan band Kabul Dreams lament Taliban takeover: 'Musicians have to protect themselves'
“Far from home but we are well, safe and extremely grateful,” The Voice star wrote. “And yet I simply cannot stop thinking about our people and those who did not have the same option as me and many others to get to a safe location.”

Thousands of Afghans flocked to the airport in Kabul last week as foreign diplomats and security forces left the Afghan capital to be overrun by the Taliban. Crowds of men, women and children gathered in and around Hamid Karzai International Airport, hoping to secure a place in one of the planes leaving the country. Images and videos from the scene showed hundreds chasing a military plane as it took off with foreign diplomats and staff on board. Those clinging to the plane were seen falling off as the aircraft took off.

“I can’t believe you left Afghanistan in chaos,” Sayeed wrote in an Instagram post on Saturday, tagging US President Joe Biden and the United Nations. "Taking a few thousand civilians and American citizens out of Afghanistan is appreciated but it won’t solve the problem. What about the millions who are left behind? Thousands of them displaced with no shelter, no food to eat and nowhere to go. What will happen to them?”

A vocal critic of the Taliban, Sayeed is one of Afghanistan’s most celebrated pop stars. While she sings mostly in Persian and Dari, she also has several songs in Pashto. Sayeed was born in Afghanistan and lived in the country until she was 8. She then moved with her family to Pakistan before settling in Switzerland. She released her debut single Mashallah in 2008, but it was her 2011 track Afghan Pesarak that made her a sensation in Afghanistan. Sayeed moved back to Afghanistan after that and became a driving force in the country’s pop scene.

https://www.thenationalnews.com/arts-culture/2021/08/21/pop-star-aryana-sayeed-escapes-afghanistan-on-us-flight-amid-taliban-takeover/

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

This morning a local girls' school in Kunduz (under Taliban protection):

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">طالبان نے قندوز میں لڑکیوں کی تعلیم کی اجازت دے دی ہے<br>سکول کھلے ہیں، بچیاں تعلیم حاصل کر رہی ہیں <a href="https://t.co/BMqQxrzQ7D">pic.twitter.com/BMqQxrzQ7D</a></p>— افغان اردو (@AfghanUrdu) <a href="https://twitter.com/AfghanUrdu/status/1429422965620420615?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 22, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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Terrorist TTP filth might bomb girls' schools to pin it on Taliban...

 

[Robert]

Fair enough.

Also let's not forget that CIA's operations were also funded by an important part of Plan Marshall money. It was like USA starting a "new game" and making up the Europe according to their own vision.

Thanks to the plan Marshall USA had access to all EU markets, uncontested. And thanks to this, USA lived an incredible economic growth.

To this day, UK/NATO support blindly anything USA says. USA accused Iraq of having WOMD and the UK/Spain etc. participated in death of millions

This whole "'Murican good guys" chest thumping by people like you has been one of the main reasons USA has been able to consistently killing people all over the world from centuries, with complete impunity...

On basis of their weapons and a worldwide network spreading propaganda...

Do you see a theme, Robert? Maybe it is time to question, "are we the baddies?"

Apparently, it is never a crime against women and children when USA does it. All their bombs are full of freedom and democracy dreams.

People like me? There are no people like me. There is just me. If you’ve real many of my posts you will see that I have come to regard Iraq as a truly bad idea.

Saddam was in a sense a stabiliser in the ME - a Sunni leader surrounded by Shia. A senior civil servant told me that in the nineties. He wasn’t listened to.

The death toll in Iraq was less caused by Coalition strikes than the knock-on effect of collapsed infrastructure, lack of clean water, destroyed hospitals and failed rule of law - and then the rise of ISIL which was an unpredicted consequence of the fall of Saddam.

Looking forward, particularly following Biden’s unilateral action I think the time has come to start to soften on Atlanticism, for an integrated EU Army to defend the EU, and for UK to be a key part of that.

 

[Technics 1210]

The media is hell bent on sensationalising stories supporting the Western narrative.

Rashid Khan seems to be doing well. Does he have to burn everything he has achieved? Thought so.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

The media is hell bent on sensationalising stories supporting the Western narrative.

Rashid Khan seems to be doing well. Does he have to burn everything he has achieved? Thought so.

One of our Indian posters put up a story of an Afghan woman thanking India for getting her out of Afghanistan. A single lady. This is the problem with narrative coming from outside of Afghanistan. They are only interested in making themselves look good, but obviously they don't have any solutions for Afghanistan itself, otherwise the Taliban wouldn't have won. It's just useless noise.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Kabul slowly getting back to "normal"

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Kabul Today <a href="https://t.co/UTOYjtRrh5">pic.twitter.com/UTOYjtRrh5</a></p>— Malang (@MalangKhostay) <a href="https://twitter.com/MalangKhostay/status/1429192853461291014?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 21, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Don't spread lie <br><br>The former government's health minister, who is still continued his job, says this about women's work. <a href="https://t.co/iYvCzs3skL">pic.twitter.com/iYvCzs3skL</a></p>— Malang (@MalangKhostay) <a href="https://twitter.com/MalangKhostay/status/1429484322424303621?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 22, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[MenInG]

The Taliban government have banned women from visiting the Band-e-Amir national park in Bamiyan province.

Afghanistan's acting minister of virtue and vice, Mohammad Khaled Hanafi, said women had not been observing hijab inside the park.

He called on religious clerics and security agencies to forbid women from entering until a solution was found.

Band-e-Amir is a significant tourist attraction, becoming Afghanistan's first national park in 2009.

It is a popular destination for families and the ban on women attending will prevent many from being able to enjoy the park.

Unesco describes the park as a "naturally created group of lakes with special geological formations and structure, as well as natural and unique beauty".

However, Mr Hanafi said going to the park to sightsee "was not obligatory", Afghan agency Tolo News reported.

 

[Major]

The media is hell bent on sensationalising stories supporting the Western narrative.

Rashid Khan seems to be doing well. Does he have to burn everything he has achieved? Thought so.

he lives in uae

 

[rickroll]

he lives in uae

Plus HE is a male. Maybe some of the posters here refuse to understand women need some rights as well?

 

[FearlessRoar]

The makers of a documentary about Afghanistan's first female orchestra said the story was "inspiring".

Sisters follows musician Dan Blackwell who travels to the country's capital of Kabul to meet the musicians and conductor of the Zohra orchestra.

It was produced by the Northampton-based filmmaker Tony Klinger, who has made documentaries on The Who, Deep Purple and the film Get Carter.

Klinger said the film featured "the most extraordinary tales of triumph".

The film focuses on the two young leaders, conductor Negin Khpalwak and lead violist Zarifa Adiba.

It has been screened at the Colorado International and Chichester film festivals, as well as in the House of Commons.

Klinger said it was made in "some of the most challenging parts of the world".

He praised musician Blackwell, who was also the film's director, saying what the film "achieved through the universal language of music is truly inspiring".

Blackwell, also based in Northampton, said he discovered the group on the internet in 2017.

The musicians had "got together at this sort of secret school and formed an all-female orchestra", he explained.

He told BBC Radio Northampton that some of the members had "faced backlash from their family, some have been rejected by their families, there has been disputes, and there have been death threats".

The musician and filmmaker said the orchestra has played around the world but had not been able to perform in their home country.

After making contact with the orchestra, they invited him to Afghanistan to meet the musicians.

He travelled later in 2017 and went to the school where the orchestra was based which was "walled off and had armed guards".

The 25 members of the orchestra fled the country and were living in different parts of the world after the Taliban retook control in 2021, he said.

He began performing with some of the musician remotely, and has met up with orchestra again to play in the US.

"They're still performing music and they're getting their instruments and coming back together again," he said.

Source: BBC

Afghanistan's first female orchestra captured in documentary

Sisters follows musician Dan Blackwell who travels Kabul to meet the Zohra orchestra.

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Afghanistan's Taliban-appointed Deputy Foreign Minister Sher Mohammad Abbas Stanikzai has said the main reason people are distanced from the Taliban is the continued ban on women's education, TOLO News reported. TOLO News is an Afghan news channel broadcasting from Kabul.

The Taliban appointed Deputy Foreign Minister while speaking at a graduation ceremony, stressed the importance of reopening schools for girl students beyond grade 6 and said a society without knowledge is "dark".

The ceremony was held by the Taliban's Ministry of Borders and Tribal Affairs to mark the graduation of students who have studied in educational entities under the ministry.

Stanikzai said: "This is everyone's right. This is the natural right that God and the prophet have given them, how can someone take this right from them? If anyone violates this right, this is an oppression against the Afghans and the people of this country. Try to reopen the doors of the educational institutions for everyone. Today, our only problem with the neighbors and the world is caused by the issue of education. If the nation is getting distant from us and upset with us, that is due to the education issue."

The Taliban-appointed acting Minister of Borders and Tribal Affairs, Noorullah Noori, said that the youth living in far areas that lack access to education, have been enrolled in schools. He also stressed that there is no distance between religious and modern education.

"The issue of distance is not true. There is no distance. The education that is being taught under Islamic Emirate's rule, I can tell you that there has been no such system before," Noori said, according to TOLO News.

Girl students above grade six have been deprived of their education since the Taliban came to power.

Taliban-appointed Acting Minister of Education Habibullah Agha recently criticised the poor quality of education in the country's religious schools, TOLO News reported.

Habibullah Agha asked the Taliban and religious scholars to pay serious attention to raising the quality of education.

Source: NDTV

Taliban Minister Says Women's Education Ban Caused Public Disconnect

The Taliban appointed Deputy Foreign Minister while speaking at a graduation ceremony, stressed the importance of reopening schools for girl students beyond grade 6 and said a society without knowledge is "dark".

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The Taliban should allow women to study at all levels immediately. Education is crucial for individual growth and national progress.