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In Tests Virat Kohli is averaging 24.6 since the start of 2020. Seems his test peak from 2016-2019 in which he dominated averaging 67 while scoring 16 hundreds with a ridiculous conversion rate is over. His ODI peak also seems to be over, you can honestly say his whole ODI career he's been at his peak it's ridiculous how good he's been in ODI's imo he's the GOAT ODI batsman. But from 2012-2019 he averaged a ridiculous 66 @ 97 while scoring 35 hundreds with a ridiculous conversion rate. However, since the start of 2020 he's averaging 46 with no hundreds, still very good but not what you expect from possibly the greatest batsman of his format.

Kind of sad to see, he's a fun batsman to watch when he's on, but are his best days behind him? He's only 32 still, but he hasn't been playing the same since 2020, he's one of the most prolific centurions the game has ever seen yet he hasn't scored a hundred since Nov 2019. I expected him to break Sachin's record of 100 hundreds, but I'm not so sure now.
 
He will be 33 in October this year. Don't think he will have a peak again . He may or may not break Sachin records of 100 Tons but will not get anywhere closer to his record of 50 Test Tons.
 
Ricky Ponting from his debut to June 2007 averaged 60 in test cricket. From June 2007 to the end of his career his average was 40. In June 2007 Ponting was 32 years old and by the end of his career he was 37-38. I see a very similar trajectory with Kohli
 
I don’t think it’s about having another peak. It’s whether he can do enough and pull his weight as a test batsman. He may be able to recover to do that.

I do get the feeling Kohli is not motivated by personal milestones as say tendulkar was.

If he wants to he can flog the dead horse for 200 test matches like sachin did. If Kohli wants to play 200 tests, no-one can really stop him, he’s that influential in Indian cricket.

However, I don’t think he’s after the records and some made up media hyped measure of 100 100s that they invented for Tendulkar. When has anyone combined the number of test and ODI tons like they did for Tendulkar.
 
He just has too much on his plate.

Tendulker was a batsman and that’s it. His whole image was built on that, he had no personality or anything to keep up.

Kohli is as important a batter.
He’s the captain in all formats.
India is the biggest team in the world right now (at least financially)
Kohli is a supreme athlete with an unbelievable fitness regime.
He plays 3 formats instead of basically two.
He has a whole persona built around aggression and getting into the face of the opposition, and good looks that are a sponsors dream.
He’s the captain and star player of an IPL team - a tournament comparable to the likes of a young NBA etc in America.
He is married to a huge Bollywood actress increasing the scrutiny.
He is trying to change the legacy of Indian cricket in regards to fast bowling.
He has power in selection and other matters than no other player except maybe Dhoni had ever had.

This is too much for one person over a sustained period of time.
 
Atm he has 27 100s, I think he will hit over 40.

Kohli plays just way way too much cricket. Though he is 27, but he has depreciated faster and I see him more like a 34 year old. If he doesnt cut down and set his priorities, those 40 hundreds could become a distant dream.
 
Kohli plays just way way too much cricket. Though he is 27, but he has depreciated faster and I see him more like a 34 year old. If he doesnt cut down and set his priorities, those 40 hundreds could become a distant dream.

He is not 27, he is 32 but mentally it seems he is 35. Being married to a high profile Bollywood actress and being a father now, his priorities in life have changed
 
He is not 27, he is 32 but mentally it seems he is 35. Being married to a high profile Bollywood actress and being a father now, his priorities in life have changed
I think he will need to think about giving up on ODIs or T20s.
 
Kohli plays just way way too much cricket. Though he is 27, but he has depreciated faster and I see him more like a 34 year old. If he doesnt cut down and set his priorities, those 40 hundreds could become a distant dream.

These players go through spells where they can't buy a score and then suddenly they look like Don Bradman. Just like at Joe Root and they way he has hit 5 100s in a year. Great players don't stay down for too long
 
He still has a purple patch left in him.

Think he will still become the first batter to score 50 ODI tons.
 
No no there is plenty left in Virat yet. A very wealthy man he can afford to sac rice a few IPL's to concentrate on Test Cricket. He needs to balance and prioritise what is most important to him. His best days are still ahead of him.
 
These players go through spells where they can't buy a score and then suddenly they look like Don Bradman. Just like at Joe Root and they way he has hit 5 100s in a year. Great players don't stay down for too long

Root has scored 6 centuries this year?
 
In Tests Virat Kohli is averaging 24.6 since the start of 2020. Seems his test peak from 2016-2019 in which he dominated averaging 67 while scoring 16 hundreds with a ridiculous conversion rate is over. His ODI peak also seems to be over, you can honestly say his whole ODI career he's been at his peak it's ridiculous how good he's been in ODI's imo he's the GOAT ODI batsman. But from 2012-2019 he averaged a ridiculous 66 @ 97 while scoring 35 hundreds with a ridiculous conversion rate. However, since the start of 2020 he's averaging 46 with no hundreds, still very good but not what you expect from possibly the greatest batsman of his format.

Kind of sad to see, he's a fun batsman to watch when he's on, but are his best days behind him? He's only 32 still, but he hasn't been playing the same since 2020, he's one of the most prolific centurions the game has ever seen yet he hasn't scored a hundred since Nov 2019. I expected him to break Sachin's record of 100 hundreds, but I'm not so sure now.

Depends on where he mostly plays rest of his Test cricket career?
If it's in India then we may still see a peak after peak and a ton after ton.

However, if the games are mostly abroad then perhaps yeah, he may have a few last flashes in the pan left.

I personally like Kohli not primarily because of his batting but mostly because he is being a fair and honest human being. He has hardly displayed any wrong gestures towards Pakistani players or any other team or player who has not messed with him.
He also earned my respect when he visited Siraj's home and had a dinner with his family in small little area of Ahmedabad.

Dhoni and Tendulkar, and many, many other Indian crickters on the other hand, had no such class.
 
He needs to relieve himself from captaincy.

Virat Kohli the batsman is what India needs more than the captain.

SRT also had a similar dip between 2003-06 but he turned the table with his batting between 2007-2011. Kohli can do the same too but he needs to give up the captaincy for that.

At this point, he is just a very good test batsman and one of the all-time great LOI bat.
 
I don’t think it’s about having another peak. It’s whether he can do enough and pull his weight as a test batsman. He may be able to recover to do that.

I do get the feeling Kohli is not motivated by personal milestones as say tendulkar was.

If he wants to he can flog the dead horse for 200 test matches like sachin did. If Kohli wants to play 200 tests, no-one can really stop him, he’s that influential in Indian cricket.

However, I don’t think he’s after the records and some made up media hyped measure of 100 100s that they invented for Tendulkar. When has anyone combined the number of test and ODI tons like they did for Tendulkar.
So much wrong in this post!

I'd just say Tendulkar any day of the week over Kohli as he never looked disinterested about the game he loved the most, even in the 24th year of his international career.

Tendulkar never missed international games due to IPL or any other flimsy reasons.

Just for being motivated enough to play for his country is good enough reason for me to pick Tendulkar over Kohli, let's not go into their batting as Kohli is nowhere near Tendulkar in batsmanship.
 
SRT also had a similar dip between 2003-06 but he turned the table with his batting between 2007-2011.
He had a dip because he had a career threatening injury to handle, something I hope Kohli never have to face.

To be fair to Kohli though, Tendulkar wasn't the fittest guy during his 2.5 decades career while Kohli is amongst the fittest cricketers ever. Kudos to him for maintaining such high standards of fitness.
 
He had a dip because he had a career threatening injury to handle, something I hope Kohli never have to face.

To be fair to Kohli though, Tendulkar wasn't the fittest guy during his 2.5 decades career while Kohli is amongst the fittest cricketers ever. Kudos to him for maintaining such high standards of fitness.

I wonder if Kohlis relentless fitness regime is the problem. By being a fitness freak you can actually expend a lot of energy and have massive wear tear on your body

Tendulkar lived a little outside the field
 
I wonder if Kohlis relentless fitness regime is the problem. By being a fitness freak you can actually expend a lot of energy and have massive wear tear on your body
Such a fitness regime psychologically drains you a lot!
 
I think he is drained out. I expect him to retire from T20Is next year and ODIs after the 2023 World Cup, but he will probably stretch his Test career for another 5-6 years.

It is not going to happen but he needs to let go of his fitness regime as well. He is not a young man anymore and it is hard to sustain that intensity at his age.

He has been living on vegetables and nuts for years now and works out like a maniac. It can psychologically hamper anyone.

All this talk of his giving up captaincy are unrealistic because no one can lead the Indian team in his presence, unless he is surpassed in popularity and stardom which is not happening any time soon.

People will point out to Tendulkar letting others captain but again, there is a huge contrast between their respective personalities.
 
He had a dip because he had a career threatening injury to handle, something I hope Kohli never have to face.

To be fair to Kohli though, Tendulkar wasn't the fittest guy during his 2.5 decades career while Kohli is amongst the fittest cricketers ever. Kudos to him for maintaining such high standards of fitness.

Captaincy pressure and workload due to playing all formats is affecting his game. He is not able to concentrate on his own batting and improve due to that.

Once relieved from responsibility, he will do better as a test batsman. I do not agree that a player of his stature will have just a meagre good test career with just a three year purple patch of 2016-18. He is a better test player than that.
 
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He is past prime , but he is still good enough to carry on for another 3 - 4 years easily
 
Such a fitness regime psychologically drains you a lot!

It also takes up a ton of his time, batsmen don't need to be elite athletes to average 50+ so Kohli is definitely putting way more effort into fitness than necessary. Plus him being a vegetarian while maintaining that body must be insanely difficult.
 
Can we have Kohli please?

Any team in the world would dream to have him on their roster!
 
He just has too much on his plate.

Tendulker was a batsman and that’s it. His whole image was built on that, he had no personality or anything to keep up.

Kohli is as important a batter.
He’s the captain in all formats.
India is the biggest team in the world right now (at least financially)
Kohli is a supreme athlete with an unbelievable fitness regime.
He plays 3 formats instead of basically two.
He has a whole persona built around aggression and getting into the face of the opposition, and good looks that are a sponsors dream.
He’s the captain and star player of an IPL team - a tournament comparable to the likes of a young NBA etc in America.
He is married to a huge Bollywood actress increasing the scrutiny.
He is trying to change the legacy of Indian cricket in regards to fast bowling.
He has power in selection and other matters than no other player except maybe Dhoni had ever had.

This is too much for one person over a sustained period of time.

We desis are all the same.

We try to exaggerate everything.

Yes he spends 3 hours a day thinking and plotting on how to get into the face of the opposition.

2 hours a day trying to change the legacy of Indian cricket in regards to fast bowling.

1 hour a day in selection matters.

Can't we just say:

1. He plays all 3 formats and captains the team too

2. Tons of sponsorships and engagements he probably needs to fulfill

3. Has a lot of business interests otherwise

4. Married to a bollywood wife which brings its own set of socializing

And leave it at that....

Nothing against you bhai...but why do you make up such stories?

As if he is tossing and turning each night trying to change the face of Indian cricket.
 
I think he is drained out. I expect him to retire from T20Is next year and ODIs after the 2023 World Cup, but he will probably stretch his Test career for another 5-6 years.

It is not going to happen but he needs to let go of his fitness regime as well. He is not a young man anymore and it is hard to sustain that intensity at his age.

He has been living on vegetables and nuts for years now and works out like a maniac. It can psychologically hamper anyone.

All this talk of his giving up captaincy are unrealistic because no one can lead the Indian team in his presence, unless he is surpassed in popularity and stardom which is not happening any time soon.

People will point out to Tendulkar letting others captain but again, there is a huge contrast between their respective personalities.

What will you say when he will be stripped of captaincy?

It will happen sooner or later.
 
We desis are all the same.

We try to exaggerate everything.

Yes he spends 3 hours a day thinking and plotting on how to get into the face of the opposition.

2 hours a day trying to change the legacy of Indian cricket in regards to fast bowling.

1 hour a day in selection matters.

Can't we just say:

1. He plays all 3 formats and captains the team too

2. Tons of sponsorships and engagements he probably needs to fulfill

3. Has a lot of business interests otherwise

4. Married to a bollywood wife which brings its own set of socializing

And leave it at that....

Nothing against you bhai...but why do you make up such stories?

<B>As if he is tossing and turning each night trying to change the face of Indian cricket.</B>

What change? We won in England in 2007 with Zaheer Khan as sole bowler and drew in 2003 with Kumble as sole bowler. But after that, we have won nothing in England. What was the change exactly? Do we( general perspective) mean the moral victory that we were better than the scoreline of 4-1 humiliation that we got in 2018?

Or the change that we won the test series in Australia 2020 where Kohli was captaining us from India as suggested by few?

Or the change that we became a dominant team at home? Is that even a change to begin with? Pakistan and Sri Lanka are weak teams themselves, so how exactly do we differentiate this home domination to the earlier ones?

Most of these stories are made up, just hyperboles and false exaggeration. But reality is there is no major improvement in our test cricket game except improvement in quality of fast bowlers and the credit goes to the whole lot of investment that has been made on that. Furthermore, there have been a number of changes that have actually demeaned the quality of our test team although a lot of the blame for that goes more to the Dhoni era than the Kohli era.
 
I think he is drained out. I expect him to retire from T20Is next year and ODIs after the 2023 World Cup, but he will probably stretch his Test career for another 5-6 years.

It is not going to happen but he needs to let go of his fitness regime as well. He is not a young man anymore and it is hard to sustain that intensity at his age.

He has been living on vegetables and nuts for years now and works out like a maniac. It can psychologically hamper anyone.

All this talk of his giving up captaincy are unrealistic because no one can lead the Indian team in his presence, unless he is surpassed in popularity and stardom which is not happening any time soon.

People will point out to Tendulkar letting others captain but again, there is a huge contrast between their respective personalities.

That is basically an ego issue. Kohli has become bigger than Indian cricket itself, to the point where keeping the captaincy when there are better candidates around and it may be inhibiting his batting itself.
 
What change? We won in England in 2007 with Zaheer Khan as sole bowler and drew in 2003 with Kumble as sole bowler. But after that, we have won nothing in England. What was the change exactly? Do we( general perspective) mean the moral victory that we were better than the scoreline of 4-1 humiliation that we got in 2018?

Or the change that we won the test series in Australia 2020 where Kohli was captaining us from India as suggested by few?

Or the change that we became a dominant team at home? Is that even a change to begin with? Pakistan and Sri Lanka are weak teams themselves, so how exactly do we differentiate this home domination to the earlier ones?

Most of these stories are made up, just hyperboles and false exaggeration. But reality is there is no major improvement in our test cricket game except improvement in quality of fast bowlers and the credit goes to the whole lot of investment that has been made on that. Furthermore, there have been a number of changes that have actually demeaned the quality of our test team although a lot of the blame for that goes more to the Dhoni era than the Kohli era.

True.

Majority of Kohli's entire aura is marketing, hyperbole and PR.

All willingly accepted by fans.

Imagine struggling to beat this England team.

What would happen if we come up against this lineup:

Cook
Strauss
Trott
Pietersen
Bell
Prior
Swann
Broad (2011 version)
Anderson
Bresnan

I shudder to think what this team will do to Kohli's India in England.

:))

We win one random game in Lords (against a floundering England who actually botched a winnable game) and equate it to have achieved something crazy.

I think one day fans are going to wake up and realize we had a pretty good pool (somewhat decent batsmen and great bowlers) but we hardly capitalized on it because of our approach.

We are winning NOT because of aggression but due to our lower order & bowlers being good.

It's actually so good that we are carrying a non existent MO for the last 2-3 years.

Imagine having a somewhat functional MO.
 
Once relieved from responsibility, he will do better as a test batsman.
lol, as if someone has put a gun on his head and threatened him of dire consequences if he doesn't lead Indian team!
 
He will be 33 in October, he has 2-3 years max left and his peak years are gone. He is actually one injury away from curtains. Ponting deteriorated so badly after 33 and Kohli's game is very similar to him.
 
It also takes up a ton of his time, batsmen don't need to be elite athletes to average 50+ so Kohli is definitely putting way more effort into fitness than necessary. Plus him being a vegetarian while maintaining that body must be insanely difficult.
Agree with this. This kind of fitness regime isn't for everyone unless you're Cristiano Ronaldo!
 
We desis are all the same.

We try to exaggerate everything.

Yes he spends 3 hours a day thinking and plotting on how to get into the face of the opposition.

2 hours a day trying to change the legacy of Indian cricket in regards to fast bowling.

1 hour a day in selection matters.

Can't we just say:

1. He plays all 3 formats and captains the team too

2. Tons of sponsorships and engagements he probably needs to fulfill

3. Has a lot of business interests otherwise

4. Married to a bollywood wife which brings its own set of socializing

And leave it at that....

Nothing against you bhai...but why do you make up such stories?

As if he is tossing and turning each night trying to change the face of Indian cricket.
Yeah, just like how a certain event manager purportedly works 18 hrs a day!
 
That is basically an ego issue. Kohli has become bigger than Indian cricket itself, to the point where keeping the captaincy when there are better candidates around and it may be inhibiting his batting itself.

Kohli has a massive ego and it has contributed to his rise as the legend that he is today. His egoistic personality has been critical to his success.

Who are the better candidates anyway? For years, certain fans did a lot of propaganda for the timid coward Rahane and now they are finally quiet on that front and for good reason.

Rohit is no doubt an excellent captain but he is a year older than Kohli and could be in decline in a couple of years.

Ashwin himself is 34. At this point, if Kohli is sacked, India at best will have to settle for a short-term, interim option and I don’t think it would be a lot of good for the Indian team.

Alternatively, you could take a punt with a young player like Dhoni in 2007, but I don’t see captaincy potential in any of the young guys. Maybe someone like Gill could lead the team in the future, but he is clearly not ready for captaincy at this point.
 
Yeah, just like how a certain event manager purportedly works 18 hrs a day!

I know it will trigger a lot of people but there are some ridiculous similarities between Kohli and our event manager. :P

If only people open their eyes to the truth......

But we choose to believe the stories we want. :)
 
Apparently the tides are shifting in BCCI
Really disappointed in how Ganguly has handled Indian cricket, he has proved to be a totally lame duck BCCI prez. Needless to say, Shahs & Dhumals are much more powerful than him.
 
I know it will trigger a lot of people but there are some ridiculous similarities between Kohli and our event manager. :P

If only people open their eyes to the truth......

But we choose to believe the stories we want. :)
To be fair to Kohli though, we've still won something under him (even if not the silverware which matters most!). Under event manager, it's one disaster after another on all the possible fronts!
 
When the talent pool is blocked to such an extent, there is no replacement for you.

Smart strategy.

By the way, a lot of fans will still take Rahane as the captain if it meant Kohli is played or benched according to his performance.

But the fear that he will flounder was real. A fact that was known to all.

Right now, we have non-performing trimurthis with kohli as captain.

Worst of all worlds lol.
 
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That is basically an ego issue. Kohli has become bigger than Indian cricket itself, to the point where keeping the captaincy when there are better candidates around and it may be inhibiting his batting itself.
Sad for Indian cricket but true. He has become an even bigger mafia than Dhoni ever was which I thought would've never been possible during Dhoni's reign.
 
To be fair to Kohli though, we've still won something under him (even if not the silverware which matters most!). Under event manager, it's one disaster after another on all the possible fronts!

Haha true.

As much as we are annoyed with Kohli, he did move Indian test cricket forward.

Just not the right choice now.
 
Haha true.

As much as we are annoyed with Kohli, he did move Indian test cricket forward.

Just not the right choice now.

A few of you talking like this reporter to Kohli


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A few of you talking like this reporter to Kohli


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I like to think we are like this reporter:

This reporter has asked a more honest, meaningful and fair question to Kohli than 1000s of experts who are nothing but glorified cheerleaders.
 
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True.

<B>Majority of Kohli's entire aura is marketing, hyperbole and PR.

All willingly accepted by fans.</B>

Imagine struggling to beat this England team.

What would happen if we come up against this lineup:

Cook
Strauss
Trott
Pietersen
Bell
Prior
Swann
Broad (2011 version)
Anderson
Bresnan

I shudder to think what this team will do to Kohli's India in England.

:))

We win one random game in Lords (against a floundering England who actually botched a winnable game) and equate it to have achieved something crazy.

I think one day fans are going to wake up and realize we had a pretty good pool (somewhat decent batsmen and great bowlers) but we hardly capitalized on it because of our approach.

We are winning NOT because of aggression but due to our lower order & bowlers being good.

It's actually so good that we are carrying a non existent MO for the last 2-3 years.

Imagine having a somewhat functional MO.

This is how everything works in today's era of social media.

I came to a post yesterday by someone somewhere claiming that, when it matters, Kohli has performed a lot more than Root has. I can assure you they will struggle to come up with enough examples to prove this point given the number of clutch knocks that Root has played in past year or so but that is what marketing and PR does.

Kohli's PR basically cashed on the baseless argument that were floating in 2013-14 that Tendulkar bottled in his career in crunch situations when it mattered. His PR marketed it extremely well by suggesting that the difference between Kohli and Tendulkar is that Kohli is a big match player which Tendulkar wasn't. :))

The reality though is far from what it actually is perceived as.

Honestly, this series is a golden chance for Kohli to further reclaim his legacy as captain or perceive it as one. England are pretty much down and out relying on 2-3 individuals in absence of Stokes, Woakes and Archer/Wood. He can easily win this series and then his PR can claim to have won test series in Australia and England both which no other Indian captain has done. But I really doubt if it is any kind of big achievement given the names that were missing in both the series from opposition and I hope it doesn't become a kind of embarrassment if we instead end up losing this one.
 
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This is how everything works in today's era of social media.

I came to a post yesterday by someone somewhere claiming that, when it matters, Kohli has performed a lot more than Root has. I can assure you they will struggle to come up with enough examples to prove this point given the number of clutch knocks that Root has played in past year or so but that is what marketing and PR does.

Kohli's PR basically cashed on the baseless argument that were floating in 2013-14 that Tendulkar bottled in his career in crunch situations when it mattered. His PR marketed it extremely well by suggesting that the difference between Kohli and Tendulkar is that Kohli is a big match player which Tendulkar wasn't. :))

The reality though is far from what it actually is perceived as.

Honestly, this series is a golden chance for Kohli to further reclaim his legacy as captain or perceive it as one. England are pretty much down and out relying on 2-3 individuals in absence of Stokes, Woakes and Archer/Wood. He can easily win this series and then his PR can claim to have won test series in Australia and England both which no other Indian captain has done. But I really doubt if it is any kind of big achievement given the names that were missing in both the series from opposition and I hope it doesn't become a kind of embarrassment if we instead end up losing this one.

Haha true.

I am laughing at those comparisons.

For years, we had to hear how Tendulkar was a choker but Kohli was a clutch player.

Kohli 2013 edition looked like he would be something else in pressure but that Kohli is long gone.

Even in his peak (2016-18), his performance in pressure games & pressure situations left a lot to be desired.

As for this series, if we win it....the praise will be earth shattering.

If we lose it, "hota hai, don't blame the team" consolation messages will be doled out.

All the resistance is coming from fans. Not the experts whose job is to honestly critique the game.

But with their livelihood involved in today's PR world, they are taking the safe route.
 
As for this series, if we win it....the praise will be earth shattering.

If we lose it, "hota hai, don't blame the team" consolation messages will be doled out.
Again, such uncanny similarities with how event manager's regime operates. If the team succeeds, then its all his success. However, if it fails which it does with such alarming regularity, it's all others' failure. And hence they're sacked.
 
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Not sure this series is the best judge, as Kohli is being made to look particularly clueless at the moment by Anderson and Robinson. England seem to have worked him out and have formulated a clear plan to keep taking his wicket. Seeing a class batsman like Virat being bamboozled, softened up and turned around corners yesterday morning before finally nicking off was quite the sight.
 
Virat Kohli's last century for India was on 23rd November 2019 (644 days ago and 52 innings ago)
 
How Kohli comes back from this slump will determine how he is ranked in the grand scheme. Both Lara and Tendulkar recovered from dips in their early 30s to have a late blast of good form. I think Kohli has it in him.
 
A few of you talking like this reporter to Kohli


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hahaha

Kohli was decent enough to just let it go.
Even Ice cool Dhoni would have admonished.
 
Too good to write off.

But complacency has crept in to his game. Leaving those off-balls were key to his success in England last time out. He did well leaving on day 3 but was back flirting again on day 4. All his dismissals have been the same.

Maybe he's lost the hunger unbeknown to him as a result of marriage, fatherhood, age...

I don't know... but I wouldn't write him off.
 
Fans Laud Virat Kohli For 'keeping His Cool' After Reporter Questions Indian Batting Unit


https://www.republicworld.com/sport...r-reporter-questions-indian-batting-unit.html

The reporter asked a perfectly fair question reg backfoot play.

There was no insult in his tone either.

Fans know ghanta about cricket and think he insulted Kohli.

And trust Republic TV to turn it into an article glorifying Kohli's patience.
 
Fans Laud Virat Kohli For 'keeping His Cool' After Reporter Questions Indian Batting Unit


https://www.republicworld.com/sport...r-reporter-questions-indian-batting-unit.html

The reporter asked a perfectly fair question reg backfoot play.

There was no insult in his tone either.

Fans know ghanta about cricket and think he insulted Kohli.

And trust Republic TV to turn it into an article glorifying Kohli's patience.

Not all of our fans are sensible or even cricket fans.

Legitimate question....I wonder how many journalistic careers have been destroyed by kohli and Dhoni?
 
So much wrong in this post!

I'd just say Tendulkar any day of the week over Kohli as he never looked disinterested about the game he loved the most, even in the 24th year of his international career.

Tendulkar never missed international games due to IPL or any other flimsy reasons.

Just for being motivated enough to play for his country is good enough reason for me to pick Tendulkar over Kohli, let's not go into their batting as Kohli is nowhere near Tendulkar in batsmanship.

I can’t believe I’m going in to bat to defend Kohli, but let’s go.

Tendulkar was useless to the Indian team for the last 10-12 years of his career.

Their match winners were Dravid, Sehwag, Laxman, Kumble initially, then Zaheer Khan, Dhoni etc later.

Kohli even when he is not scoring is more useful than Tendulkar was in that period because of his captaincy, leadership and attitude he brings.

Tendulkar for his last 10-12 years was there for no other reason than to pad his stats. India wanted him to be some sort of bradman, but he never was, and even his stats weren’t standout compared to his peers (they weren’t even the best). That’s when this whole spin of 100 100s started.

Kohli and Dhoni have done so much more for Indian cricket than Tendulkar ever did.
 
I can’t believe I’m going in to bat to defend Kohli, but let’s go.

Tendulkar was useless to the Indian team for the last 10-12 years of his career.

Their match winners were Dravid, Sehwag, Laxman, Kumble initially, then Zaheer Khan, Dhoni etc later.

Kohli even when he is not scoring is more useful than Tendulkar was in that period because of his captaincy, leadership and attitude he brings.

Tendulkar for his last 10-12 years was there for no other reason than to pad his stats. India wanted him to be some sort of bradman, but he never was, and even his stats weren’t standout compared to his peers (they weren’t even the best). That’s when this whole spin of 100 100s started.

Kohli and Dhoni have done so much more for Indian cricket than Tendulkar ever did.

Not only are you 100% wrong but you are so oblivious to it.

Not a bad idea to check facts.

I will let others educate you.
 
Not all of our fans are sensible or even cricket fans.

Legitimate question....I wonder how many journalistic careers have been destroyed by kohli and Dhoni?

Not sure but they sure have destroyed the culture of accountability.

Braindead fans dont help either.

When you are stupid, you are oblivious to it but others feel the pain.

That's whats happening in reality for us.
 
My two bits about Kohli's slump and its impact on present state of affairs.

Virat Kohli has gone 50 innings without a century.
Kane Williamson too did the same, went 23 innings without a century TWICE in 2012 and in 2016 and his average during the periods were 19.21 and a healthy 48 respectively. Look at Kane now.

Joe Root had gone 28 innings without a century and his average during the period was 25.75. Look at Root now

Steve Smith went 59 innings and had average of 23.6 from 2010 to 2013, however this was at the start of his career when he wasn't a regular batsman. Look at what Smith has achieved since then.

So, based on the above, shall we wait so that in near future we say "look at Kohli now?" Yes
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Kohli - in his slump period :
Has scored came twice close to scoring a century in ODI at 89
Highest T20I score was 94*

but the slump is sharp in the Tests (probably why people calling him to focus on tests and take a break from shorter formats)
Highest Test score was 74
A measly average of 24.64
19 innings and just four 50's

Kohli's performance has been poor across all formats so its not a case of shorter format causing decline in the Tests.
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India's performance during Kohli's slump?

Amazingly, India has performed well during Kohli's slump (they did reach WTC finals) and have won the hearts of cricket fans with some marquee performances.

- Last time Kohli excused himself from Australia Tour and India didn't suffer in their batting performances.

- Kohli's absence as a captain too didn't hurt India in the field, the bowling resource management and field placements by the replacement captain Rahane was excellent.

- in the current Ind-Eng series, Kohli has scored nothing of value at all and as a captain has made some wrong selection and toss decisions.

- there is a perception that in his slump he doesn't want to experiment with MO batsmen so Rahane and
Pujara are getting a long rope.

-even in his IPL stints as a captain he has not achieved success like MS Dhoni or Rohit Sharma have.

So all above makes it seem that he is not crucial to India's plans. However, the reverse is true as Kohli is very very Big in India cricket.

What does Kohli enjoy so much power?

- He unites the Indian team into a strong unit and commands total respect from the players. The team backs each other well.
- Team Spirit : Kohli is not known to back down from a fight. That spirit is prevalent in the team and they do fight back after every collapse.
- He is a leader unlike no other cricket icon among his contemporaries. Others can only dream at the amount of confidence his governing board have in him. Leads his team in all the formats and even Root, Smith, Babar, Holder, Bevuma or for that matter Morgan, Paine, Finch, Misbah, Azhar Ali (till Nov 2020 before Babar Azam), or DuPlessis/Quinton/Elgar.
Apart from him, only Kane Williamson has that stature and of course New Zealand has benefited from this approach like India has too.

These powers are vested in him due to the BCCI and its brand value. Kohli has started losing his appeal and if his slump continues, there will be more noise to see a different leader taking up his position.
The Indian fans are clamouring for resting him and this is the current hot topic among Indian fans.

tbh, I don't think so BCCI will take any such drastic measure because India has not been in the bottom of the rankings really and the Indian cricket is growing from strength to strength despite some atrocious batting collapses.

The series is still not over and India may lose or may not lose this series. BCCI will likely take the next call only after the T20 WC. In a way, that is the deadline for Kohli to get back in form.
 
As I have been saying for last couple of years Kohli should stop playing in IPL if he wants to end his test career on a high. It is taking a toll on his body and I think because he hasn't won a single season of that Pyjama League it is really bugging him. He wants to prove a point it seems.

These days Kohli reminds me of those desis who want every dish on their plate whenever they go to any wedding function and then they don't even finish eating it. Time has come for Kohli to act like a mature man, relieve himself from LOI captaincy at the moment and prepare someone else for the upcoming ODIs and T20 WCs. Should learn from Sachin and Dravid. :inti
 
Can we have Kohli please?

Any team in the world would dream to have him on their roster!

Limited time exchange offer going on, 2 for 1.
Rahane and Pujara for Fawad Alam.
 
He is in the twilight of his career but, as he is a class act so I wont be surprised if he still has some quality innings left in him.

Thing is while the modern day fitness standards have gone up due to multiple contributing factors but, more cricket being played along with overall travelling associated with it has also increased. With the advent of leagues, bilateral T20s and incase of big 3 more test cricket as well, it makes players playing all 3 formats burn our sooner than in the previous eras.

You can go upto late 30s and can potentially still perform if you restrict yourself to one format the way Anderson is doing or Younis did till his retirement in test or but, if you end up playing all 3 formats along with long T20 leagues since early 20s then there is possibly a high likelihood you are going to get burnt out by the time you are in your early 30s.
 
He is in the twilight of his career but, as he is a class act so I wont be surprised if he still has some quality innings left in him.

Thing is while the modern day fitness standards have gone up due to multiple contributing factors but, more cricket being played along with overall travelling associated with it has also increased. With the advent of leagues, bilateral T20s and incase of big 3 more test cricket as well, it makes players playing all 3 formats burn our sooner than in the previous eras.

You can go upto late 30s and can potentially still perform if you restrict yourself to one format the way Anderson is doing or Younis did till his retirement in test or but, if you end up playing all 3 formats along with long T20 leagues since early 20s then there is possibly a high likelihood you are going to get burnt out by the time you are in your early 30s.

Constantly travelling on the job via airplane even with first class seats, train, cars, buses will age you like no tomorrow
 
Yes, his best days are behind him.

But No. That doesn't mean he can't still be India's best test batsman. And this is coming from a Rohit Sharma fan. Kohli's best days were so high up there, an average remaining career can still keep him among the Fab 4. Lower among them, but still there.

Rohit Shara will have the more stunning knocks. But for brutal consistency, Kohli will trump him and he still has it in him to do this.

Thank you.
 
Kohli will make a comeback in my opinion, he's too good to get suffocated for so long.

He will need to stop flirting with balls outside the off-stump, and dig in to get some runs.

He needs to avoid playing that cover-drive so far away from his body when he knows that English bowlers are swinging the ball.

His back-foot game on the off-side needs to improve dramatically, because it is the reason he has become so over-reliant on his cover-drive for runs on the off-side.

A simple approach will get him runs, similar to what Fawad Alam did against the West Indies. He waited for them to bowl in his areas and capitalized on that, allowed himself to get set, and then dictate the terms.
 
I can’t believe I’m going in to bat to defend Kohli, but let’s go.

Tendulkar was useless to the Indian team for the last 10-12 years of his career.

Their match winners were Dravid, Sehwag, Laxman, Kumble initially, then Zaheer Khan, Dhoni etc later.

Kohli even when he is not scoring is more useful than Tendulkar was in that period because of his captaincy, leadership and attitude he brings.

Tendulkar for his last 10-12 years was there for no other reason than to pad his stats. India wanted him to be some sort of bradman, but he never was, and even his stats weren’t standout compared to his peers (they weren’t even the best). That’s when this whole spin of 100 100s started.

Kohli and Dhoni have done so much more for Indian cricket than Tendulkar ever did.

Not even close to true.

Tendulkar's dip was from 2003-2006. Even during that time, he averaged a fairly respectable 44, but this period coincided with the peaks for Sehwag and Dravid.

Tendulkar then have another peak from 2007 to 2011, during which he averaged over 60, and was the best batsman in the Indian team by far. This period also coincided with India's rise to no.1 in tests.

From 2011 to 2013, Tendulkar's form dropped off and and frankly he would have retired a year earlier.
 
I expect him to have one last purple patch before he retires. He is just too good to stay quiet for a long period of time.

His peak years are obviously gone and he is never going to reach those heights he achieved during that 2016-2019 period when he was scoring a 100 every other game.

He already is the GOAT ODI batsman and an all-time great Test batsman as well. He sits on 43 ODI tons as of now, and he has done enough in his peak years to surpass Tendulkar's 49 hundreds.

In Tests, however, he will end up far behind Tendulkar as a batsman and will probably end up with around 35 centuries, which will keep the hundred centuries record safe for many more years to come.
 
Not even close to true.

Tendulkar's dip was from 2003-2006. Even during that time, he averaged a fairly respectable 44, but this period coincided with the peaks for Sehwag and Dravid.

Tendulkar then have another peak from 2007 to 2011, during which he averaged over 60, and was the best batsman in the Indian team by far. This period also coincided with India's rise to no.1 in tests.

From 2011 to 2013, Tendulkar's form dropped off and and frankly he would have retired a year earlier.

Tennis elbow issues have caused many athletes to retire for good. They are very difficult to come back from and the rehab is just as frustrating. It was a miracle Tendulkar was able to rediscover his form again at the last stages of his career
 
Damn it's kind of sad to see all this hate for Kohli, him, AB, and Babar are my 3 favorite batsman to watch play (apart from when he's playing Pakistan of course lol). I hope he bounces back and has a stellar of a game next test!
 
I think he is drained out. I expect him to retire from T20Is next year and ODIs after the 2023 World Cup, but he will probably stretch his Test career for another 5-6 years.

It is not going to happen but he needs to let go of his fitness regime as well. He is not a young man anymore and it is hard to sustain that intensity at his age.

He has been living on vegetables and nuts for years now and works out like a maniac. It can psychologically hamper anyone.

All this talk of his giving up captaincy are unrealistic because no one can lead the Indian team in his presence, unless he is surpassed in popularity and stardom which is not happening any time soon.

People will point out to Tendulkar letting others captain but again, there is a huge contrast between their respective personalities.

I don't get all this talk about him retiring so soon from ODI's. T20's sure go ahead, but like I said I consider him to be the Greatest ODI Batsman of all Time. I think he'll be fine playing till the 2027 Would Cup, it would be a shame to see the GOAT Batsman in a certain format hang it up so soon. He can honestly easily break all the ODI records and he should because he deserves to break them, I would hate to see him retire from the ODI format more than any other. I think it would be a shame to the cricketing world if Virat doesn't end up scoring 20K+ Runs and 60+ Hundreds in ODI's, which he's more than capable of doing.
 
As I have been saying for last couple of years Kohli should stop playing in IPL if he wants to end his test career on a high. It is taking a toll on his body and I think because he hasn't won a single season of that Pyjama League it is really bugging him. He wants to prove a point it seems.

These days Kohli reminds me of those desis who want every dish on their plate whenever they go to any wedding function and then they don't even finish eating it. Time has come for Kohli to act like a mature man, relieve himself from LOI captaincy at the moment and prepare someone else for the upcoming ODIs and T20 WCs. Should learn from Sachin and Dravid. :inti

He can always win an IPL after he retires from international cricket, I can see a 40 yo Kohli being a better T20 tamasha league batter than many.

Form is temporary but class is permanent. Who knows how many more 100s he has left in him... :don
 
They are, but his best days were the best of any cricketer on the planet so its not something that can be easily replicated.

He also has his own family now and it would be hard for any man to devote as much time to his own development and dedication to his single days.
 
Kohli's Reversion to his Old Mistakes

Kohli's lack of form is because of a recurrence in a problem he used to face with his head falling over. His stance is slowly reverting back to that which brought him a lot of failures on the 2014 tour to England, where he was eaten alive by Anderson.

VK 3rd Test Day 4.jpg

This is on Day 4 of the 3rd test, the delivery he almost got out to bowled by Anderson. Look at where the foot is placed. Due to that exaggerated movement of the foot, his instincts are telling him that the stumps are further out than they should be, prompting him to try and defend the ball which is in fact nowhere near the stumps. That shuffle across only works on a pitch that isn't really swinging, it's asking for trouble in English conditions. You can also see to what extent his head is falling over, dragging him towards deliveries that shouldn't be played on the front foot.

VK 3rd Test Day 4 Rb.jpg

This is the delivery on the same day of the test match that he got out to. Once again, just look where the bat is and where the body is. On this occasion, he didn't move his feet and genuinely had a lapse in concentration to flirt with a delivery that he had no business playing. However, the technical fault I mentioned comes into play, since this delivery is at the same height for a cut shot, a safer option in these conditions where the bounce was relatively constant. Kohli's limited range of strokes on the off-side, especially regarding the back-foot range of strokes, is preventing him from scoring runs against an English lineup he should be dominating. Again, though it is less prominent, we can see his head falling over.

VK 3rd Test Day 1.jpg

This is on Day 1 of the 3rd Test Match where we can again see how far across his head is compared with the rest of his body. His foot movement this time was not to the line of the ball, forcing him to overcompensate and try and drive it when it shouldn't have been considered in the first place. If you look at where he's playing that drive, it's too straight and it doesn't create a chance for the batter to at least salvage some runs from a risky stroke.

VK 1st test day 2.jpg

This is from Day 1 of the 1st test match, where we can yet again see that his foot movement places him in a situation of uncertainty where he does not recognize how far across from his stumps he is actually playing.

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To conclude, Kohli's lack of runs in test cricket, especially this series, is due to his awkward foot movement and wayward head position. He is a beast of an athlete and has a very strong mentality with aggression, but his coaches and analysts need to do a better job and show him where he is struggling. He had similar issues in 2014 against England, and he overcame those issues. He has the attitude and determination to do so again, but he needs better coaches around him to prevent this from recurring and to fix the problem before it becomes a habit.

If I had the connections I'd tell him this, especially since the dismissal pattern can be rectified with a few minor adjustments. However, one thing to note is that by covering up a flaw in your technique, you will expose something else which must be worked on. There is no perfect technique in test cricket, but for Kohli, he has the mental strength to outlast a poor patch of form. A few improvements in his technique should bring him back to his best.

I would suggest that he lets the bowler see his off-stump instead of shuffling across to cover that type of dismissal. It will allow him to make a better judgement of which deliveries to play, and how to do so. Fixing his back-foot game on the off-side will require a lot more work, but minor adjustments to the technique and stance will surely get him the runs he so desperately needs.

Note that all the images are from the England and Wales Cricket Board Youtube Channel. I do not own any of the images.
 
Not even close to true.

Tendulkar's dip was from 2003-2006. Even during that time, he averaged a fairly respectable 44, but this period coincided with the peaks for Sehwag and Dravid.

Tendulkar then have another peak from 2007 to 2011, during which he averaged over 60, and was the best batsman in the Indian team by far. This period also coincided with India's rise to no.1 in tests.

From 2011 to 2013, Tendulkar's form dropped off and and frankly he would have retired a year earlier.

I’m not arguing whether he regained his form or not. He made runs later on, but the vast majority were soft runs. India’s match winners were elsewhere.

This millennium, Tendulkar was predominantly only around for the stats, nothing else.
 
'Got to keep it simple': Sunil Gavaskar explains key area Virat Kohli needs to improve upon in England

India batting legend Sunil Gavaskar has advice for Virat Kohli who is struggling to get runs in England.
By hindustantimes.com

India batting legend Sunil Gavaskar believes India captain Virat Kohli has struggled to get runs consistently because of poor shot selection. Kohli has scored just one fifty in five innings in England so far and has found himself struggling to score runs consistently in the series.

During a recent discussion on Sony Sports Network, Gavaskar gave a piece of advice to Kohli. He wants Kohli to keep his methods simple in England.

"See how far from the body the bat is, that's what's getting him into trouble. He (Virat Kohli) is reaching out. So it's hard hands stuff that is getting into trouble. I don't think standing outside the crease is a worry. If you play closer to your body, you play and miss it. There is no harm in playing and missing it," he said.

"I think it's the shot selection. You have got to keep it simple. He has got 8000 runs, probably the last 6,500 runs he has got standing outside the crease. So I don't think he needs to make too many changes. I think it's just the shot selection," he added.

Gavaskar further said that Cheteshwar Pujara is also having similar troubles in the Test series.

"At the moment, we're talking about intent. There is 'intent' question against Pujara. Here it seems the intent is to get runs. It means there are deliveries you're playing when you should be leaving those. So it's basically again a question of shot selection.

"You don't have to play at those deliveries. If you leave those deliveries, it's not going to matter. You still had a day to go and you were 140 runs behind the England team. If you have a look, these are deliveries on the 4th stump, there are no complaints. But there are deliveries at the 5th, 6th stump. These are deliveries he should not be playing," Gavaskar signed off.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/got-to-keep-it-simple-sunil-gavaskar-explains-key-area-virat-kohli-needs-to-improve-upon-in-england-101630302178223.html
 
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