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SherWaqar said:
I was a lurker. Arsenal fans love to dish it out but can’t hack it in return.
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If you were lurker last season, you would've noticed there was a particular Liverpool fan who was antagonising Arsenal fans on this thread. In response, we invaded the Liverpool thread merely to troll him.

SherWaqar said:
Why are you guys afraid of admitting you are champions elect?
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Arsenal have fallen short and haven't won the title since 2004, so we'll believe it when we see it.
 
Going back to the Chelsea game.

Chelsea were fortunate that they only lost by one goal. If we go by xG, Arsenal should have won 3-1 as they dominated the game. But there is no reason why we can't at least draw to Chelsea in the return leg at the Emirates.

Gyokeres deserved his Player of the match award with his goal and assist. I thought his work rate was nothing short of brilliant.

Unfortunately, Saka and Martinelli are not beating their man so they're having to cut inside or pass it backwards rather than cross it into his path. As mentioned by AJ, Odegaard is too slow to release the ball. These three are not helping Gyokeres' cause and are leaving him starved of service.

Arsenal are far more right wing dominant and Gyokeres looks far more likely to score with Ben White at RB with his overlapping runs and Madueke on the RW, as he's regularly beating his man.
 
I feel sorry for Eze. Arteta's treatment of him hasn't been good.
 
topspin said:
Going back to the Chelsea game.

Chelsea were fortunate that they only lost by one goal. If we go by xG, Arsenal should have won 3-1 as they dominated the game. But there is no reason why we can't at least draw to Chelsea in the return leg at the Emirates.

Gyokeres deserved his Player of the match award with his goal and assist. I thought his work rate was nothing short of brilliant.

Unfortunately, Saka and Martinelli are not beating their man so they're having to cut inside or pass it backwards rather than cross it into his path. As mentioned by AJ, Odegaard is too slow to release the ball. These three are not helping Gyokeres' cause and are leaving him starved of service.

Arsenal are far more right wing dominant and Gyokeres looks far more likely to score with Ben White at RB with his overlapping runs and Madueke on the RW, as he's regularly beating his man.
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I'm not a fan of xG, but if you look at the sitter Gabriel missed from a header, also the Sanchez save made in game. We should have won game by 2 goal margin.

The 2 goals were conceded were poor and I wasn't happy with that.

In terms of getting crosses in early, getting balls in early, our players are under clear instructions to recycle the ball and not play high risk passes or crosses. There has to be a middle ground where more risk are taken.

Gyokeres has been part to blame with lack of intensity in some games, at same time our players aren't helping him either. This is something that should already be worked on in training.

With madueke playing tonight, we may seem Gyokeres at least get a few chances from early balls into box vs forrest.
 
WTH is wrong with Martinelli?

Just keep missing sitters with the league on the bloody line!
 
Pathetic decision making in the final 10 yards

Today is not a day where you are you are going to walk the ball in to the opposition’s goal. You’ve missed 2-3 sitters now right in front of it
 
Created a lot of chances, but haven't even hit the target. We need to test the keeper atleast
 
Rana said:
WTH is wrong with Martinelli?

Just keep missing sitters with the league on the bloody line!
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Shouldn't be starting. He's always been trash whenever he's started for Arsenal in the PL.

CL is a different story.
 
9 points lead there for the taking

Come on Arsenal don’t let this golden opportunity go!
 
Need to bring on Trossard and Saka

Enough of this Madueke+Martinelli rubbish

Not clinical enough!
 
Shades of that Liverpool home game again

How Arsenal are just comfortable with Nottingham holding on to this much possession and running down the clock is totally absurd!

Nowhere near enough urgency to retrieve the ball!
 
Get some subs on ffs and go for win, just bout staying awake here 😴😴
 
Looks like arsenal insist on having possession back after Nottingham pop in a goal and we get a kick off again.

Really poor urgency off the ball by the Gunners!
 
Nottingham off the ball absolutely glued to our players

Arsenal just need watching NF pass the ball around at a distance!
 
Awful.

We could and should have been way ahead in the league BUT this is what makes this league so special... there will be more twists and turns and nothing is in the bag until it's mathematically impossible.
 
We beat Man City, and still Arsenal can't take advantage.

Arsenal have a better team than Man City, but the only thing that will stop Arsenal from winning the title will be Arteta.
 
Yet another lacklustre away performances we have scored just 14 goals in 11 away games. Yes he has won 6 games, but the performances have been like watching fkin paint dry
 
What's up guys. 7 point lead sounds alrite but should be way more.

Arteta has to take responsibility today for the line up. You can't be starting Madueke ahead of Saka. He is awful he really is.
The worst version of Saka is better than the best version of Madueke.

Also Rice and Zubimendi look shattered. Why do both need to start against 17th place Forest. Could have played 1 for an hour and then switched. Played either Merino or Eze.

Still think we will win the league nothing has changed but it's frustrating that we can't really do what Liverpool did last season by romping home. It's way less pressure when the chasing pack is miles away.

2 0-0 draws in a row is disappointing however we did enough to win the game today.

How are VAR deciding that's not handball.

Anyway hope everyone is good.

Would like to give a shout out to certain fans who were saying Spurs would do well this season because they lost the super cup final to PSG.

I've not really gone through the thread but my guess would be Liverpool fans are dancing for city to win the league?
 
MK7Z said:
What's up guys. 7 point lead sounds alrite but should be way more.

Arteta has to take responsibility today for the line up. You can't be starting Madueke ahead of Saka. He is awful he really is.
The worst version of Saka is better than the best version of Madueke.

Also Rice and Zubimendi look shattered. Why do both need to start against 17th place Forest. Could have played 1 for an hour and then switched. Played either Merino or Eze.

Still think we will win the league nothing has changed but it's frustrating that we can't really do what Liverpool did last season by romping home. It's way less pressure when the chasing pack is miles away.

2 0-0 draws in a row is disappointing however we did enough to win the game today.

How are VAR deciding that's not handball.

Anyway hope everyone is good.

Would like to give a shout out to certain fans who were saying Spurs would do well this season because they lost the super cup final to PSG.

I've not really gone through the thread but my guess would be Liverpool fans are dancing for city to win the league?
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Welcome back bro. We've missed you and hope you're prediction turns out to be true.

The way I see it, we've dropped points against 10 men Chelsea, depleted Liverpool at home and now 17th place Forest. If we're getting nervous in January, imagine what it'll be like in April/May. That's twice now where we've spurned the chance to go 9 points clear.

Utd at home next weekend will be tough. 3 points is a must.
 
topspin said:
Welcome back bro. We've missed you and hope you're prediction turns out to be true.

The way I see it, we've dropped points against 10 men Chelsea, depleted Liverpool at home and now 17th place Forest. If we're getting nervous in January, imagine what it'll be like in April/May. That's twice now where we've spurned the chance to go 9 points clear.

Utd at home next weekend will be tough. 3 points is a must.
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We seem to have almost gone into a try and win all home games, whatever we get away from home is a bonus. At moment we seem to be just bout getting away with it.
 
Amjid Javed said:
We seem to have almost gone into a try and win all home games, whatever we get away from home is a bonus. At moment we seem to be just bout getting away with it.
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And whenever we do win, it's mostly because the front 4 has been bailed out by the CMs and defenders, usually from set pieces.

So why is the front 4 not clicking? Is it Arteta's system, is he more concerned about work rate than creativity? There've clearly been instructed by Arteta to play low risk passes (backwards/sideways) and as a result the creativity hasn't been great.

I'm not convinced this approach will remain sustainable for the remainder of the season. 7 point is nice but never write off Pep, if there's anyone who's capable of going on a marathon win streak, it's him.
 
topspin said:
And whenever we do win, it's mostly because the front 4 has been bailed out by the CMs and defenders, usually from set pieces.

So why is the front 4 not clicking? Is it Arteta's system, is he more concerned about work rate than creativity? There've clearly been instructed by Arteta to play low risk passes (backwards/sideways) and as a result the creativity hasn't been great.

I'm not convinced this approach will remain sustainable for the remainder of the season. 7 point is nice but never write off Pep, if there's anyone who's capable of going on a marathon win streak, it's him.
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We aren't going to change tactically, we will keep trying to win games by suffocating teams, then winning from set pieces or individual brilliance. None of our attackers are thriving as keeping ball seems more important then ruthlessly killing teams off.

If we win league most people will forget the horrid football.
 
MK7Z said:
What's up guys. 7 point lead sounds alrite but should be way more.

Arteta has to take responsibility today for the line up. You can't be starting Madueke ahead of Saka. He is awful he really is.
The worst version of Saka is better than the best version of Madueke.

Also Rice and Zubimendi look shattered. Why do both need to start against 17th place Forest. Could have played 1 for an hour and then switched. Played either Merino or Eze.

Still think we will win the league nothing has changed but it's frustrating that we can't really do what Liverpool did last season by romping home. It's way less pressure when the chasing pack is miles away.

2 0-0 draws in a row is disappointing however we did enough to win the game today.

How are VAR deciding that's not handball.

Anyway hope everyone is good.

Would like to give a shout out to certain fans who were saying Spurs would do well this season because they lost the super cup final to PSG.

I've not really gone through the thread but my guess would be Liverpool fans are dancing for city to win the league?
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Welcome. It’s a 7 point lead right now on City but if Villa win tomorrow against Everton they will cut the lead to just 4 points. I know City are the real threat but just goes on to show that this league is in no way ‘done and dusted’.
 
The_KING said:
We beat Man City, and still Arsenal can't take advantage.

Arsenal have a better team than Man City, but the only thing that will stop Arsenal from winning the title will be Arteta.
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I do find this a bit of a strange take as I have heard a few people mention it

In isolation I understand why Arsenal fans will be disappointed they didn't beat Forest but they actually gained a point on City today

Also, slightly bigger picture, the gap 4 games ago was only 2 points, City had some relatively easy fixtures on paper so they have been bottling it

I think City will continue to drop points and I predict the lead will be at least 10 points in 3 games time
 
Geordie Ahmed said:
I do find this a bit of a strange take as I have heard a few people mention it

In isolation I understand why Arsenal fans will be disappointed they didn't beat Forest but they actually gained a point on City today

Also, slightly bigger picture, the gap 4 games ago was only 2 points, City had some relatively easy fixtures on paper so they have been bottling it

I think City will continue to drop points and I predict the lead will be at least 10 points in 3 games time
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Well, you called it last time bhai- will not be surprised if this happens...
 
topspin said:
Welcome back bro. We've missed you and hope you're prediction turns out to be true.

The way I see it, we've dropped points against 10 men Chelsea, depleted Liverpool at home and now 17th place Forest. If we're getting nervous in January, imagine what it'll be like in April/May. That's twice now where we've spurned the chance to go 9 points clear.

Utd at home next weekend will be tough. 3 points is a must.
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Thanks fella. I went through a few pages of the threads and seems nothing much has changed.

I used to think some of the stuff certain fans of a club is hot takes which is fine we all have them however I've come to the conclusion they actually don't have a clue about football. Issue with modern fans.

Not going to mention the club.... You know what happens when you do.

On Arsenal - it's getting to a point how badly do you want it. Almost a full squad now so time to earn your money Mikel. It's easier when you only have certain players available.

Also if Nwaneri had the minutes that Madueke has got in the PL he would have more than 0 goals and 0 Assists.. Called it a bad signing when we made to and nothing has changed my mind.

We will win it. But looks like we'll limp over the line rather than playing with confidence and wrapping it up and then going for the other comps.
 
Geordie Ahmed said:
I do find this a bit of a strange take as I have heard a few people mention it

In isolation I understand why Arsenal fans will be disappointed they didn't beat Forest but they actually gained a point on City today

Also, slightly bigger picture, the gap 4 games ago was only 2 points, City had some relatively easy fixtures on paper so they have been bottling it

I think City will continue to drop points and I predict the lead will be at least 10 points in 3 games time
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You are right in the grand scheme of things it's a point gained.

Our frustration comes from the team not taking the hand outs. If we are doing this now. Then PTSD tells Arsenal fans that they'll crumble in the last few games. Although I personally don't think it gets to the city game even. We should have an enough buffer until then.

I think 85 points should win it this season. 90 points is normally the magic figure but almost impossible for city to get there now.
 
The magic points total alot of the time has been around 90 points (or teams have won it with quite a few games to spare)

10 games is usually the max number you could usually drop points in (draws / losses) and still get to about 90 points

Arsenal are already at 7 (5 D, 2L), City 9 (4D, 5L) and Villa 8 (4D, 4L).

So that already tells you 90 points won't happen, on top of that most teams are finding away games tougher this season, this is why so very few points seperate so many teams in the table.

So like @MK7Z also mentioned 85 is likely to be more than enough for title winners
 
MK7Z said:
You are right in the grand scheme of things it's a point gained.

Our frustration comes from the team not taking the hand outs. If we are doing this now. Then PTSD tells Arsenal fans that they'll crumble in the last few games. Although I personally don't think it gets to the city game even. We should have an enough buffer until then.

I think 85 points should win it this season. 90 points is normally the magic figure but almost impossible for city to get there now.
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Another thing I tend to look at which is usually a good barometer is the number of losses, the most in the last 12 years (didn't bother checking further back) that the champions have lost is 6 games, which was City in 2020-21, which was the covid season and they ran away with it, with a couple of those losses coming at the end when the title was done

City have already lost 5 games and they will easily lose more games, I think they'll end up on 8/9 losses, you don't win the league carrying that many losses

I understand the nerves, PTSD etc so don't expect Arsenal fans to shout from the rooftops that it's done but as a neutral and if I did bet I would put heavily towards Arsenal

As I mentioned earlier I think it will become even clearer in 3 games time as City for me will drop more points than you
 
Geordie Ahmed said:
Another thing I tend to look at which is usually a good barometer is the number of losses, the most in the last 12 years (didn't bother checking further back) that the champions have lost is 6 games, which was City in 2020-21, which was the covid season and they ran away with it, with a couple of those losses coming at the end when the title was done

City have already lost 5 games and they will easily lose more games, I think they'll end up on 8/9 losses, you don't win the league carrying that many losses

I understand the nerves, PTSD etc so don't expect Arsenal fans to shout from the rooftops that it's done but as a neutral and if I did bet I would put heavily towards Arsenal

As I mentioned earlier I think it will become even clearer in 3 games time as City for me will drop more points than you
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Ye. That's why I'm confident that we'll win it this time round.

I don't think Arsenal fans in general are built for title races. They accuse the team of being scared or pooing their pants but the fans do the same at any dropped points.

Historically being in the position arsenal are in at the moment tends to lead to a title. Anything can happen but I see usbgetting our act together soon as we have a period of 1 game a week for a couple of weeks. Although with the squad we have fatigue is not an excuse.

Gordon has been quite poor this season but we are getting linked to him for the summer. He's better than Madueke and Martinelli in my opinion but that's not a high bar.
 
topspin said:
And whenever we do win, it's mostly because the front 4 has been bailed out by the CMs and defenders, usually from set pieces.

So why is the front 4 not clicking? Is it Arteta's system, is he more concerned about work rate than creativity? There've clearly been instructed by Arteta to play low risk passes (backwards/sideways) and as a result the creativity hasn't been great.

I'm not convinced this approach will remain sustainable for the remainder of the season. 7 point is nice but never write off Pep, if there's anyone who's capable of going on a marathon win streak, it's him.
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Arteta’s system is doing very well. It makes Arsenal extremely hard to score against. I know stats aren’t everything, but nearly every game Arsenal are ahead xg. Even that psg tie, Arsenal were ahead xg and failed to win the match.

Martinelli, Madueke poor end product they make very bad decisions. Saka’s been bad for a while. Gyokores seems to be bad at everything so far. Trossard has been good, but even he sometimes is inconsistent.

If Arteta played a more attacking system with more chances and worse defense, it would likely perform worse. And you would not play to Arsenal’s strengths in defense. It would also as a result cost far money to build an attack. Seen even 70 mill gets you an unproven striker in Portuguese league. Haaland should have cost something like 200 mill if not for his contract.

The problem is the wingers and strikers are not clinical enough. However even average wingers and strikers cost a lot. Striker at a top premier league team is so hard to play given the systems don’t suit them. So to get a striker good enough to work even bearing that in mind, you need 100 mill min. Or you take a risk on a young guy who also costs a lot of money (like Hojlund and Sesko who still often fail).

It’s a shame that Rodrygo couldn’t be got. But that’s the problem, you choose between him, or you strengthen the rest of the positions with arguably worse players. And again not totally sure he’d choose Arsenal over a bigger team that’s won stuff in recent past.

It should be easier to sign the best players/talents for more reasonable amounts once Arsenal actually have won the league. Like what city have done in recent past. Much easier to convince them to join the winning team. In the same ways these players won’t continue to bottle the league once they actually gain confidence why winning it.
 

Marseille in talks with Arsenal over Nwaneri loan​


French club Marseille are in talks to sign Arsenal midfielder Ethan Nwaneri on loan for the rest of the season.

Discussions about a deal are ongoing with a loan fee one of the aspects of the deal being worked on.

BBC Sport previously reported that Nwaneri was not expected to go on loan this season with the original feeling from both club and player being that the 18-year-old would benefit by being part of a squad that is challenging for a title.

However, the prospect of playing football in another league and country while getting regular game time is a scenario that is appealing to the player.

The England Under-21 international has made just 12 appearances for the Gunners in all competitions, starting four games but none in the Premier League, and has scored once this season in the Carabao Cup.

Nwaneri signed a new contract in the summer until 2030, but has found his route into the first team challenged by the signings of Noni Madueke for £48.5m and Eberechi Eze for £67m.

Nwaneri's taste of regular minutes last season has raised his expectations and having to fight for game time at a club like Arsenal has not surprised him, but with two England internationals ahead of him, regular minutes have been hard to come by.

Eze himself has struggled to break into the Arsenal starting XI in recent weeks and has played 23 minutes in the Gunners last six Premier League games. He has been an unused substitute in four of those matches.

Last season, Nwaneri played mostly on the right wing and scored nine goals in 37 appearances in all competitions to mark himself out as one of England's most talented young players.

But with Madueke the first choice as back up to Bukayo Saka and Eze the number 10 to challenge captain Martin Odegaard, the two positions Nwaneri would fit into have become harder to get.

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Ethan Nwaneri transfer news: Marseille agree deal to sign midfielder on loan from Arsenal

French club Marseille agree to sign Arsenal midfielder Ethan Nwaneri on loan for the rest of the season.
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Comfortable win tonight. Goals by the strikers good to see. Gyokores scored from open play, which has been rare for him. Though it was kind of on a plate for him but he was clinical. But you can see Jesus just offers more guile. Saka didn’t trust to pass to Gyokores again and Gyokores was struggling to get into the right positions when the crosses happened. He still looks rather slow too. But at least he scored today, but think he’s going to lose his place to Jesus, and Havertz too eventually.

Saka looked better today which was definitely encouraging given some games this season he’s looked rather underwhelming.
 
Excellent result. Wasn't easy. Full credit to Arteta and the team, who have come a long way in Europe. Last season, Arsenal lost 1-0 at San Siro in the group stage. Arsenal now have 7 wins out of 7 and top two place guaranteed. Excellent achievement.

Now we need to make it count in the knockout stages.
 
ads101 said:
Arteta’s system is doing very well. It makes Arsenal extremely hard to score against. I know stats aren’t everything, but nearly every game Arsenal are ahead xg. Even that psg tie, Arsenal were ahead xg and failed to win the match.

Martinelli, Madueke poor end product they make very bad decisions. Saka’s been bad for a while. Gyokores seems to be bad at everything so far. Trossard has been good, but even he sometimes is inconsistent.

If Arteta played a more attacking system with more chances and worse defense, it would likely perform worse. And you would not play to Arsenal’s strengths in defense. It would also as a result cost far money to build an attack. Seen even 70 mill gets you an unproven striker in Portuguese league. Haaland should have cost something like 200 mill if not for his contract.

The problem is the wingers and strikers are not clinical enough. However even average wingers and strikers cost a lot. Striker at a top premier league team is so hard to play given the systems don’t suit them. So to get a striker good enough to work even bearing that in mind, you need 100 mill min. Or you take a risk on a young guy who also costs a lot of money (like Hojlund and Sesko who still often fail).

It’s a shame that Rodrygo couldn’t be got. But that’s the problem, you choose between him, or you strengthen the rest of the positions with arguably worse players. And again not totally sure he’d choose Arsenal over a bigger team that’s won stuff in recent past.

It should be easier to sign the best players/talents for more reasonable amounts once Arsenal actually have won the league. Like what city have done in recent past. Much easier to convince them to join the winning team. In the same ways these players won’t continue to bottle the league once they actually gain confidence why winning it.
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Brilliant analysis as always. If we can't get Rodryo, who do you pursue in the summer to strengthen the front 4?

Also, do you agree with the decision to hand Saka a long term contract paying £300k p.w.?
 
We dominated inter at San Siro. What a great performance. Next up, decimation of United at the Emirates.
 
Excellent win last night, just have to go game by game in each competition and keep the momentum going. Group stages have gone well, but ultimately you have to show same form in knockout stages and try and win entire thing later in season
 
topspin said:
Brilliant analysis as always. If we can't get Rodryo, who do you pursue in the summer to strengthen the front 4?

Also, do you agree with the decision to hand Saka a long term contract paying £300k p.w.?
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Not sure honestly. Rodrygo is a special player. You want someone to absolutely blow the likes of Martinelli, Trossard out of the water. Opportunities like him don’t come along very often. Now alonso is gone, who knows if he even will be available now. Maybe someone more knowledgeable than me can do it, but it’s so hard to find the next Salah etc. There are probably better options but Garnacho is mega talented with experience at 21. Not sure how Chelsea got him for so cheap, whether they use him or not. But you’ll have the same problem like with Martinelli or Madueke, their end decisions are terrible. You’ve just got to somehow hope they will mature and fix that which is no guarantee.

This attack just needs someone of genuine quality in there. Like an actual superstar. Whether it’s strikers, wingers etc. Haaland alone just makes that attack scary. The positioning, pace, strength, even footballing iq is very good (which is impressive given how young he is) it’s another level to the rest of the strikers in the league.

Saka is someone who’s pretty consistent. Today’s match you see he got some impressive crosses in. Took a shot when he probably shouldn’t have, but clear he has no real faith in Gyokores. But got some good crosses off. But Saka himself isn’t some goal machine. He won’t carry a side like Salah can. Probably is worth 300k in today’s market, and I don’t think the team would be better off getting rid of him. But yes I think competition to him is healthy like Madueke. But I’m fine with the salary, Saka is overall the best forward at Arsenal. And if Havertz, Jesus are earning so much, it’s tough to argue against saka’s salary.

Most of the forwards aren’t terrible they’re just not elite. And will be comfortably outperformed by Liverpool and Man City. Arsenal’s defense and midfield on the other hand is elite. But this probably Arteta’s plan as you could see today, the strength will lie in how many forwards he has to choose from, rotating them in and out when needed. They’re all interchangeable, there’s no forward so good that you have no choice but to leave him on the pitch/start him. They all have some good qualities even if they’re not complete players. They’ve all got parts missing in their game. Except Gyokores who looks like an odd man out, he looked slow, poor positioning, I don’t even think he’s that clinical in front of goal. Not sure what Gyokores offers so far. I feel he is behind Jesus, havertz, and even merino so far as a striker.
 
topspin said:
Brilliant analysis as always. If we can't get Rodryo, who do you pursue in the summer to strengthen the front 4?

Also, do you agree with the decision to hand Saka a long term contract paying £300k p.w.?
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Rodrygo's stock seems to have fallen recently.

In regards to Saka. 100% Arsenal did the right thing handing a long term contract. The Weekly wage is always debateable but to be honest its inline with other high earners around and he is one of the top players around.

You will get the usual suspects saying he hasn't won anything etc which is true. He has not been at his highest level so far this season - quite a bit away to be fair but he still finds ways to affect games - even at his worst. I think Saka has been good/decent this season but we need more from him.

Don't listen to rival fans telling you he is over-rated etc. Every single team ( especially in the prem ) would take Saka in their team whether he winning medals or not.
 
Small advantages in the champions league can go a long way. By finishing top 2 - probably 1st they are guaranteed to play 2nd legs at home however far they progress. Its not a game changer but its a preference cos then you know what you gotta do and back yourself to win at home.

We are a good side and these lot need to get the trophies in now.

Fans on this forum can call them what they want in regards to Stoke etc etc. Firstly we don't care if we win.

Secondly, you have coaches around the world of the top teams praising the set up and structure of the team yet you have fans on here trying to analyse and call us rubbish? stick to cricket

I would also like to address this notion that this year the PL is not a good league. Are people actually that lacking between the ears?

Liverpool the reigning champions spent near enough £500 million on a team that won the league.

Man City have spent close to £500 million in 12 months yet they are not ready or whatever people wanna say and excuse they wanna give em.

Other teams have spent big ( inc Arsenal)

The league if anything is harder this year as its proven that the top teams can drop points against lower opposition. Surely that makes its a stronger league right? as the quality of the lower teams has led them to compete better with the higher teams.

Nobody was calling the league weak when Man City and Liverpool were romping home with close to 100 points every season.

Make it make sense.
 
CL league stage with 8 fixtures each, onus is on teams to win games and get points on board to finish top 8.

As we saw last season once you get to knockouts some teams will play in the same fashion Barca, Real, Bayern, Liverpool etc.. but you will also get teams who will adjust to playing differently over a 2 leg tie. So same form now has to be carried over, but also be able to adjust tactically.

On top of that you may end up with 6 English teams in the last 16 (if certain teams get through the play off round)

That means more then likely the prospect of any English team wanting to get to final having to get through all English ties, which obviously can make it even harder.
 
Have not been on the forum for a while, but just checking in on whether @Amjid Javed still thinks Arsenal can not win the league with Arteta?!

Patience leads to good things.

City are going to start focussing on UCL soon -especially if they have to go through the play offs- so for me it is done if the gap goes up from this point onwards.
 
Abdullah said:
Have not been on the forum for a while, but just checking in on whether @Amjid Javed still thinks Arsenal can not win the league with Arteta?!

Patience leads to good things.

City are going to start focussing on UCL soon -especially if they have to go through the play offs- so for me it is done if the gap goes up from this point onwards.
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Klopp won 1 PL title in 9 years.

He got deserved credit for the season he won the title. Overall he was a failure in PL

Same applies fot Arteta thus far, 6 seasons of failure in PL. If Arsenal win league, yes I will credit. See my post from 3 years ago. My stance for manager is the same either deliver or move on.

You can fail a driving test 6 times and pass on 7th. Doesn't make you a good driver. At same time, id say well done for passing your test.

Winning now, doesn't change the past failures.

Not sure what point you were angling at here?

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Amjid Javed said:
Klopp won 1 PL title in 9 years.

He got deserved credit for the season he won the title. Overall he was a failure in PL

Same applies fot Arteta thus far, 6 seasons of failure in PL. If Arsenal win league, yes I will credit. See my post from 3 years ago. My stance for manager is the same either deliver or move on.

You can fail a driving test 6 times and pass on 7th. Doesn't make you a good driver. At same time, id say well done for passing your test.

Winning now, doesn't change the past failures.

Not sure what point you were angling at here?

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Wrong example being used with the driving lesson. If somebody is evidently getting closer and closer and closer, you don't rip it up and risk serioys derailment.

Arsenal were totally correct not to start giving the guy ultimatums. The title might have come late but serious foundations have been laid for sustained success, thanks to Arteta.

He has done an incredible job.
 
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Abdullah said:
Wrong example being used with the driving lesson. If somebody is evidently getting closer and closer and closer, you don't rip it up and risk serioys derailment.

Arsenal were totally correct not to start giving the guy ultimatums. The title might have come late but serious foundations have been laid for sustained success, thanks to Arteta.

He has done an incredible job.
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Their is no evidence at all for sustained success, the team hasn't even reached a cup final for 5 season. The team needs to get over the line 1st and actually win a trophy or even title. The fact the team has struggled to Balance multiple competitions also doesn't give an indication of sustained success either.

All your doing is making a formed opinion with nothing to back it up. Also unless Man city get banned etc.. or Liverpool stop spending money etc.. it's not exactly as though their are signs the league will become a farmers league in next few years. Same goes in Europe all the big guns Real, Barca, Bayern, PSG are still around. Sustained success occurs when you can see your head and shoulders above pretty much most teams in Europe and In PL and have a volume of trophies to go with it.

Arsenal right now are in same position Liverpool were in last season. Top of league, In a league Cup semi and Top of CL group. In end Liverpool just win the league.

Winning nothing for 5 seaaons and zero cup finals after spending thar much money ain't a brilliant job. You give most decent managers 6 or 7 seasons and billion quid you would probably get 1 league title
 
To have "sustained Sucsess" in English football whether it be Liverpool 80s, Man utd 90s / 2000s, Chelsea under abramovic, City under their owners.

All of these sides

- more money to spend then other teams
- they were seen as the most attractive team to join in the league or Europe
- the pretty much obtained all the best players
- Had world class managers
- The teams were visible head and shoulders above their peers in those eras

Now let's look at Arsenal right now,

- Are Arsenal going to outspend City or Liverpool? No! On top of that City and Liverpool are better are balancing books and it's a reason why they keep throwing money around in case of City
- Are Arsenal most attractive option in PL for players to join? For some players yes, some No. Its nowhere near the level where huge numbers of players are turning down other clubs just for Arsenal
- have Arsenal shown indication they will regularly dominate the domestic cups? No
- Have Arsenal shown indication they will dominate Europe? No, other than Real Madrid no one has shown sustained success in CL
- In regards to PL, even if Pep leaves, or slot was sacked these clubs can still attract managers like Luis Enrique, Anchelloti. Tuchel, Alonso etc. So it's not as though clubs are not going to be able to get other managers in who are top quality.

Whereas teams who had Sustained success had managers who were generational or levels above the rest. The other competing sides had decent managers at best

@Abdullah feel free to counter any of the above and exactly where sustained success is going to come from
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Although I agree about Mikel ultimately being judged by what he has done and until now its almost.

Same goes for the players - We have some very good players but they need to create their own legacy now.

Mikel has evolved a lot over the years and has been given the tools do well - but it all comes down to what you win and his time must be now.

If Mikel was to leave Arsenal do folks think he would win the league with the next club he joined? Lets not pretend that the big clubs out there would not try to get him. He 100% would not get the same amount of time but Other leagues really only have 1 or 2 big teams anyway so his chances to win the league would be higher.

I think he is a sought after coach - this is not me glazing him - however the point remains - he must become a winner.
 
Amjid Javed said:
Winning nothing for 5 seaaons and zero cup finals after spending thar much money ain't a brilliant job. You give most decent managers 6 or 7 seasons and billion quid you would probably get 1 league title
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Even 6 seasons most managers won’t win 1 league title after spending billions. That is why Chelsea and Man Utd have failed. Man City have had the best coach, the best players, the best business. And have kept up with the spending of the others. It takes ages to overtake that advantage. Just by being an established team that wins things, they’re also less like to bottle and the absolute best players will want to join them to win stuff. Thus can be negotiated at more reasonable prices. For example Haaland (who abused what was written is his contract) or even isak demanding Liverpool transfer. Even if klopp’s only won 1 title, he’s done incredible work.

But let’s talk about money. Arteta since he took over has been outspent by Chelsea, man united, Man City and somehow spurs. Liverpool isn’t that far behind either. So it’s not like he has had a monetary advantage over the rest. Which is what pep had for long stretch when assembling his sides (though not any more).

What’s worse is we break down the signings. First season he signed no one in 2019/20. for the second season £77m split amongst 5 players. Third season was his first major rebuild for 2021/22. That was £143 million. And even that was split between 6 players and most of those players are not what you call susperstar signings (white, ramsdale, oodegard, tomiyasu, lokonga, Tavares). As you can see a lot of it was spent in terms of rebuilding a squad, buying many positions for small amounts. This is because the squad was so bad (due to previous lack of spending even under Wenger) that it had to be revamped.

The window before 2022/23 season he was backed. You see a change, bigger signings. And as it can be seen Arteta has pretty much challenged for the title/come second three years in a row. For context, Amorim got over £200 million to spend in his short time.

It is very possible that had Arteta been financially backed earlier he would have started challenging for the title earlier. However you also run the risk of ruining a squad like United. I think in hindsight it was a good idea to properly get rid of the deadwood slowly, and determine whether the manager is capable before spending big. Unlike the ten hag situation.

What Arteta has done has build a young valuable squad fairly efficiently (when compared to most) which is challenging for the title. That is difficult. If you’d ask most Arsenal fans 6 years ago they’d have taken that. Chelsea and man united would take that now. It looks like Arsenal will finally win this year. And if they do win, they still have a young quality squad with plenty more years left before falling off. They could win multiple times. And Arteta has put them in a position to do so.

It takes ages to overturn 20 years of basically not challenging for the title or champions league. Arsenal are not a side that is used to winning anymore. On the flip side this is why Chelsea still win champions league, super cup not because they are a consistently good side, it’s because they at least have more recent memories of big trophies. Man City still win titles even being bad in patches, and then coming back. Why Arsenal have bottled the league. The first win is the hardest to get. Once you get that it gets easier.

I think it’s just inevitable Arteta will win a title. And pretty sure he will do it this season. But even if he doesn’t he’s done a very good job building this squad for someone else to take over from his foundations. But a bad manager or an average one simply doesn’t achieve what Arteta has.
 
MK7Z said:
Although I agree about Mikel ultimately being judged by what he has done and until now its almost.

Same goes for the players - We have some very good players but they need to create their own legacy now.

Mikel has evolved a lot over the years and has been given the tools do well - but it all comes down to what you win and his time must be now.

If Mikel was to leave Arsenal do folks think he would win the league with the next club he joined? Lets not pretend that the big clubs out there would not try to get him. He 100% would not get the same amount of time but Other leagues really only have 1 or 2 big teams anyway so his chances to win the league would be higher.

I think he is a sought after coach - this is not me glazing him - however the point remains - he must become a winner.
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Being a sought after manager is fine, reality is when you manage at a club who had no accountability to win stuff and you go else where you are in for a reality check. You simply aren't used to delivering under pressure.

Yes if you go to a big club elsewhere the chances of winning maybe higher, but like you said you ain't getting the luxury of 5 failed seasons in a row. On top of that most other big clubs are ruthless and even if your an ex playee xavi, Zidane, Alonso etc.. that means nothing to these clubs if you can deliver.

Even look at Bayern and how they treat ex players.

Also take into account most of these clubs have huge stars, huge egos etc.. Arteta has already shown he can't handle such players. You ain't going to get the luxury at Bayern, Real, Barca etc.. where every player is going to fall In line like obident school kids. Most of these players are these sort of clubs will turn around and challenge the manager or even question what have you won, what have you achieved. Gaining respect in Arsenal change room where you've been backed no matter what failures, gain respect elsewhere is completely different

Alonso found that out at Real. You even have this scenario at Liverpool where VVD and Salah have essentially undermined Slot this season.

It's happens in any walk of life, if you work with no accountability and no pressure to deliver, then go into an environment where the expectation all the time is to deliver your going to struggles. As all those around you are use to pressure and you ain't.
 
ads101 said:
Even 6 seasons most managers won’t win 1 league title after spending billions. That is why Chelsea and Man Utd have failed. Man City have had the best coach, the best players, the best business. And have kept up with the spending of the others. It takes ages to overtake that advantage. Just by being an established team that wins things, they’re also less like to bottle and the absolute best players will want to join them to win stuff. Thus can be negotiated at more reasonable prices. For example Haaland (who abused what was written is his contract) or even isak demanding Liverpool transfer. Even if klopp’s only won 1 title, he’s done incredible work.

But let’s talk about money. Arteta since he took over has been outspent by Chelsea, man united, Man City and somehow spurs. Liverpool isn’t that far behind either. So it’s not like he has had a monetary advantage over the rest. Which is what pep had for long stretch when assembling his sides (though not any more).

What’s worse is we break down the signings. First season he signed no one in 2019/20. for the second season £77m split amongst 5 players. Third season was his first major rebuild for 2021/22. That was £143 million. And even that was split between 6 players and most of those players are not what you call susperstar signings (white, ramsdale, oodegard, tomiyasu, lokonga, Tavares). As you can see a lot of it was spent in terms of rebuilding a squad, buying many positions for small amounts. This is because the squad was so bad (due to previous lack of spending even under Wenger) that it had to be revamped.

The window before 2022/23 season he was backed. You see a change, bigger signings. And as it can be seen Arteta has pretty much challenged for the title/come second three years in a row. For context, Amorim got over £200 million to spend in his short time.

It is very possible that had Arteta been financially backed earlier he would have started challenging for the title earlier. However you also run the risk of ruining a squad like United. I think in hindsight it was a good idea to properly get rid of the deadwood slowly, and determine whether the manager is capable before spending big. Unlike the ten hag situation.

What Arteta has done has build a young valuable squad fairly efficiently (when compared to most) which is challenging for the title. That is difficult. If you’d ask most Arsenal fans 6 years ago they’d have taken that. Chelsea and man united would take that now. It looks like Arsenal will finally win this year. And if they do win, they still have a young quality squad with plenty more years left before falling off. They could win multiple times. And Arteta has put them in a position to do so.

It takes ages to overturn 20 years of basically not challenging for the title or champions league. Arsenal are not a side that is used to winning anymore. On the flip side this is why Chelsea still win champions league, super cup not because they are a consistently good side, it’s because they at least have more recent memories of big trophies. Man City still win titles even being bad in patches, and then coming back. Why Arsenal have bottled the league. The first win is the hardest to get. Once you get that it gets easier.

I think it’s just inevitable Arteta will win a title. And pretty sure he will do it this season. But even if he doesn’t he’s done a very good job building this squad for someone else to take over from his foundations. But a bad manager or an average one simply doesn’t achieve what Arteta has.
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What managers at Chelsea or United have been given 6 seasons? None, so not sure why you have brought either of those as examples.

Also you then selectively picked one bit of my response to another poster.

My response was in relation to Abdullah taking about Arsenal being in place for sustained success. When reality is there is no evidence to support it. Also the landscape of football right now is not exactly set where Arsenal are head and shoulders above the rest in regard to dominating domestically or in Europe.

I gave plenty of examples of where teams who have sustained success and what they did to achieve it. Other then a goos squad right now, Arsenal don't fit the criteria of any other side who have dominated.

Finally I'm consistent with my views, again something I mentioned before klopp winning 1 title in 9 years was failure. Yes he won everything at Liverpool and in a 2 or 3 year period Liverpool showed they could compete on all fronts. But then they stop putting money in for transfers, then the sustained success soon dissapeared. Arsenal have similar owners, where with all their franchise, they win a major trophy and thats enough for them. The don't care for trying to dominate the sports they are in.

Winning a title after 20+ years for that season in isolation would get applause, but the entire period when you review would not be a success.

Also this notion that 20 years of not challenging for CL? Because now we have reached 1 quarter final and a semi final, hows that any different to the last 20 years? It's not. People getting giddy because of how we have performed in league stage. Its means nothing unless you win it.

Actuality competing? Get to final atleast and actually have a chance of even remotely lifting it 1st.
 
Amjid Javed said:
What managers at Chelsea or United have been given 6 seasons? None, so not sure why you have brought either of those as examples.

Also you then selectively picked one bit of my response to another poster.

My response was in relation to Abdullah taking about Arsenal being in place for sustained success. When reality is there is no evidence to support it. Also the landscape of football right now is not exactly set where Arsenal are head and shoulders above the rest in regard to dominating domestically or in Europe.

I gave plenty of examples of where teams who have sustained success and what they did to achieve it. Other then a goos squad right now, Arsenal don't fit the criteria of any other side who have dominated.

Finally I'm consistent with my views, again something I mentioned before klopp winning 1 title in 9 years was failure. Yes he won everything at Liverpool and in a 2 or 3 year period Liverpool showed they could compete on all fronts. But then they stop putting money in for transfers, then the sustained success soon dissapeared. Arsenal have similar owners, where with all their franchise, they win a major trophy and thats enough for them. The don't care for trying to dominate the sports they are in.

Winning a title after 20+ years for that season in isolation would get applause, but the entire period when you review would not be a success.

Also this notion that 20 years of not challenging for CL? Because now we have reached 1 quarter final and a semi final, hows that any different to the last 20 years? It's not. People getting giddy because of how we have performed in league stage. Its means nothing unless you win it.

Actuality competing? Get to final atleast and actually have a chance of even remotely lifting it 1st.
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I’m more talking about whether Arteta is a bad manager or not. I already know your views on that subject. More referencing the failing 6 or 7 times driving test. It was just more simple to quote that sentence as I wasn’t talking about sustained success.

Chelsea and man united would never have given them 6 seasons because they were failing. I don’t think you give any of their managers 6 or 7 seasons they would win. They were removed because things were declining. They’d likely be even worse off. This is different from Arteta where in the most part you can see the team and squad improving every season. This season it’s the strongest it has been.

If we talk about sustained success. This is a young high performing squad. With a manager who could potentially manage for a few more decades even. Favourites to win the champions league right now according to most bookmakers. Favourites to win the title. That’s a strong position. You can see Man City and Liverpool are hurting from some of their superstars ageing like Salah, van dyk, Kevin de bruyne (now gone). They’re having to find replacements. And even spending a lot of money it’s difficult to replace guys so integral to your side. Arsenal don’t have the same issues.

As long as Arsenal keep improving on an upward trajectory there is no issue. The title win eventually happen.

Comparing to big clubs like Bayern, Barcelona, Bayern Munich. These teams are different. They have won things. Champions league, league titles, ballon d’or winners. Even Liverpool now they have genuine superstars like Salah, van dyk because they have won champions league and title under klopp. Until Arsenal achieve those sort of things, you can’t have the same standards. For over a decade, nearly 2, Arsenal have not challenged for title, making up the numbers in champions league, and with a top 4 aim every season rather than winning title. No big team truly respected Arsenal in the same way that they do now for over a decade. They actually feel like a threat now.

This team is young without any superstars. Imagine after they actually win something. Players used to winning now. And superstars wanting to come to Arsenal. You say as if it’s something that will hurt Arteta if they had superstars. Imagine having guys like mbappe, dembele, Yamal etc on top of this already strong side. When Arsenal get a habit of winning, this sort of player will want to come to Arsenal. Look at Haaland, he could have gone to anyone, and he chose Man City. When you start winning all these guys want to join the winning side. But as I said first win is the hardest. Liverpool also know this too well, with decades of mediocrity before Klopp came along.
 
ads101 said:
I’m more talking about whether Arteta is a bad manager or not. I already know your views on that subject. More referencing the failing 6 or 7 times driving test. It was just more simple to quote that sentence as I wasn’t talking about sustained success.

Chelsea and man united would never have given them 6 seasons because they were failing. I don’t think you give any of their managers 6 or 7 seasons they would win. They were removed because things were declining. They’d likely be even worse off. This is different from Arteta where in the most part you can see the team and squad improving every season. This season it’s the strongest it has been.

If we talk about sustained success. This is a young high performing squad. With a manager who could potentially manage for a few more decades even. Favourites to win the champions league right now according to most bookmakers. Favourites to win the title. That’s a strong position. You can see Man City and Liverpool are hurting from some of their superstars ageing like Salah, van dyk, Kevin de bruyne (now gone). They’re having to find replacements. And even spending a lot of money it’s difficult to replace guys so integral to your side. Arsenal don’t have the same issues.

As long as Arsenal keep improving on an upward trajectory there is no issue. The title win eventually happen.

Comparing to big clubs like Bayern, Barcelona, Bayern Munich. These teams are different. They have won things. Champions league, league titles, ballon d’or winners. Even Liverpool now they have genuine superstars like Salah, van dyk because they have won champions league and title under klopp. Until Arsenal achieve those sort of things, you can’t have the same standards. For over a decade, nearly 2, Arsenal have not challenged for title, making up the numbers in champions league, and with a top 4 aim every season rather than winning title. No big team truly respected Arsenal in the same way that they do now for over a decade. They actually feel like a threat now.

This team is young without any superstars. Imagine after they actually win something. Players used to winning now. And superstars wanting to come to Arsenal. You say as if it’s something that will hurt Arteta if they had superstars. Imagine having guys like mbappe, dembele, Yamal etc on top of this already strong side. When Arsenal get a habit of winning, this sort of player will want to come to Arsenal. Look at Haaland, he could have gone to anyone, and he chose Man City. When you start winning all these guys want to join the winning side. But as I said first win is the hardest. Liverpool also know this too well, with decades of mediocrity before Klopp came along.
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Again in terms of sustained success

- being bookies favourite for CL means nothing. Liverpool and Barcelona were bookies favourites last season
- Arsenal are not going to outspend Liverpool, Man city. Teams in past who have dominated have more often then not had huge more spending power compared to the rest (Liverpool 80s, United 90s, Chelsea under Roman, Man city under Arab owners)
- Arteta is not a generational manager like shankly, Fergie, Pep. This guys not even on Herbert Chapman, Bertie Mee, GG or wenger level either
- even if Arteta manags Arsenal another 10 years. There are still other managers out there better than him. Even if Pep or Slot went, both clubs could get better Managers in then Arteta
- Arsenal are not going to be the only club players want you
- Liverpool and Citys issues of replacing aging players, they are already spending to change that. They are not exactly standing still and letting the League become a farmers league.
- Arsenal aren't going to start taking the best players from rival teams. (I don't mean taking Chelsea left overs). Again to sustain you Need to strengthen and look to weaken rivals at same time.

Yes we have a good squad, but you have to be able to maintain that over a period of time. Liverpool managed to compete with City, until they reverted to type. Arsenal owners are exactly the same

- Also sustained success you have accountability whether it be players, DOF or manager. Again that doesn't happen at Arsenal

- Top tier / star players? In entire history of club, barring a few examples Arsenal have never gone and got superstars. On top of that Arteta is a control freak. Have a look at how he controls everything like players like Eze do etc.. you think Star players are going to want to join and be micro managed what they do? Mbappe or yamal are going to go "yes mikel il run back, yes mikel I won't risk giving ball away". Simply ain't going to happen

Right now barring this half season, this team hasn't shown it can compete on multiple fronts in a season. If you can't do that over a sustained period you ain't going to have sustained success either. Again look at how many domestic cup finals or European finals Liverpool 80s, United 90s, Chelsea under roman, City now get to. we get past a semi or get over line regularly.

People getting carried away already. As the saying goes learn to walk before you can run.
 
Noni Madueke has gone a whole year now without a PL goal or Assist. Pathetic stats.

The reason why Arsenal fans were annoyed at the signing and its proven to be a poor signing so far. A tap in vs Bayern is not going to change that.

I can say with full confidence if Ethan had the same amount of minutes this guy had he would have more output.

I get its not always about G/A but even watching him he plays with no end product so its not surprising that he has no involvements.

It will take a lot for me to accept this signing.
 
MK7Z said:
Noni Madueke has gone a whole year now without a PL goal or Assist. Pathetic stats.

The reason why Arsenal fans were annoyed at the signing and its proven to be a poor signing so far. A tap in vs Bayern is not going to change that.

I can say with full confidence if Ethan had the same amount of minutes this guy had he would have more output.

I get its not always about G/A but even watching him he plays with no end product so its not surprising that he has no involvements.

It will take a lot for me to accept this signing.
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Arsenal had to buy their annual Chelsea reject. We Will probably buy Reece James or someone else next. The fact he was Chelsea 3rd choice winger, again should have set off Alarm bells..

Because Ethan lack of pressing or defensive duties this is why he's not getting game time, same goes for Eze. Unless your a good obident player and do as the micro manager says you ain't playing regular.

No freedom in this team from an attacking point of you and long term its non sustainable either.
 
Amjid Javed said:
Arsenal had to buy their annual Chelsea reject. We Will probably buy Reece James or someone else next. The fact he was Chelsea 3rd choice winger, again should have set off Alarm bells..

Because Ethan lack of pressing or defensive duties this is why he's not getting game time, same goes for Eze. Unless your a good obident player and do as the micro manager says you ain't playing regular.

No freedom in this team from an attacking point of you and long term its non sustainable either.
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Have you seen Madueke try to win a duel or make a challenge, or even win a header. Honestly he plays like a kid in a school yard. No idea what he offers apart from giving Saka a break if we are a couple of goals up which we rarely are tbh.

Guy cant even take a pen on a open net.
 
MK7Z said:
Have you seen Madueke try to win a duel or make a challenge, or even win a header. Honestly he plays like a kid in a school yard. No idea what he offers apart from giving Saka a break if we are a couple of goals up which we rarely are tbh.

Guy cant even take a pen on a open net.
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I'd seen a lot of Madueke at Chelsea, also had loads if dicussions about him with my mate who is a Chelsea fan. He was glad when he left, funnily enough only time Madueke looked decent was when he played for Chelsea in games vs Arsenal. His decision making is awful, the fact he can beat his man so regularly you would think he would work on his end product. It doesn't look like he does.. ALso paying 50 mil when that money could have been used elsewhere. But ultimately the manager is requesting such players as he clearly doesn't trust other players who won't follow orders like an obident pet.

Unnecessary signing, we should have just signed Eze earlier in window when we got madueke.
 
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