Arsenal manager - Is Mikel Arteta the right choice?

[Rana]

I am a United fan. We always mess around in transfer windows.

What I meant to say was, United don’t take risks when it comes to targeting players. Yes, at times they are sold a bag of potatoes under the guise of gold but they won’t mess around with money.

Lukaku
Pogba
Di Maria
Van Persie
Casamiero
Sanchez
Varane

That’s a history of high quality signings and at least you give yourself the best chance as long as you make these players work for you.

Being linked with players like Kane, Muller, Ramos, Kroos is also an indication that United want to be giant in Europe regardless of whether they actually go on to sign these players

Arsenal lack this intent in the transfer window

 

[IMMY69]

[MENTION=491]IMMY69[/MENTION]

i was willing out of respect for length of time we have both been on here to give you benefit of the doubt. But you really are talking nonsense.

So let address you nonsense that you have written.

Last start with facts.

- Arteta has been in charge 3.5 years (so let's cut the nonsense about last 18-24 months) your making out as they his 1st 18 months at club don't count.

Your next excuse was the players he had. Same players got 70 points and finished 5th (1 point of CL spots) under Emery, got to a europa league and league Cup final. Same players helped Arteta win an FA Cup. So let's dismiss you first lame excuse.

Next you keep on harping on about about a squad of over hyped players? These players managed to get more PL points in a season (70) then Arteta did in his 1st 2.5 years, so again your excuse is a load of nonsense.

Tierney, holdings, Nelson, nketitah, xhaka. Martinelli, saka, ESR, (saliba out on loan) are all players he inherited, he's signed 21 players spending 500M that's more than enough time to build a squad. Yet your excuse is one more year.

Finally according "to the schedule" and "project"

- After 2.5 years Arsenal were not expected to make top 4 (last season)

- After 3.5 years Arsenal were not expected to challenge for a title (this season,)

Show me the proof of this schedule and project that you keep referring to? Have you got documented proof? Have you spoken to the kronkes? Arteta? Who ate these experts that have shown evidence of what the club's targets are?

Facts - go watch the edu interview from the summer (link below) and see what he says 5:14

"Even being realistic it is to win things"

https://youtu.be/Mzbcv4KEEgI

Then have a look at at his interview in January. Where he just rambles on with no conviction when asked about the title. "Saying the club does talk about titles"

https://youtu.be/Mzbcv4KEEgI

It's not more then PR nonsense and having no ambition.

Thank you so much for your post.

With all due respect, I don't need videos of past interviews.
I judge the team on how they are playing and from where the club was 3.5 years ago to where it is now.
Mentally shot, yes perhaps they are. But the style of play comes in to it.
Beating Spuds both home and away comes in to it.
Drawing at Liverpool when almost all of the top teams have failed there comes in to it.

I judge the players on how they have played across the season and I judge the manager on that.

Of course there is massive room for improvement and I agree with the assessment that there has been progress.
But I choose to judge this manager when there is a level playing field and that will be when he are in the CL and what that entails for our recruitment.

Like I said in a previous post, going around and around in circles with the same arguments is not gong to give you peace of mind and nor is it going to change anything at the club.

 

[shaz619]

Also when Arteta was appointed manager we had a squad of over hyped players on huge salaries.
Not a single one of those players is now in the Arsenal First team.

It took 18 to 24 months just to get to where we are now.

Of course, some can chose to take the word of fans like Rana but I prefer to listen to the experts who all believe that Arsenal are way ahead of schedule.

Yes we want to see continuous progression and we'll know if that is the case after the next season has started.

Did Arteta need to make best use of them / wasn't allowed to sell them off due to contracts etc ?

I suppose it would make sense because Arsenal has always been run like a proper business to.

I agree there, many are emotional right now and I do get it because they see it as an opportunity which may not come again, but that's only if lessons are not learned from the season.

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">"We can still achieve the Premier League"<br><br>Arsenal manager Mikel Arteta says he is proud of his squad and loves their mentality &#55356;&#57241;️ <a href="https://t.co/ZijWNlYbKQ">pic.twitter.com/ZijWNlYbKQ</a></p>— Sky Sports News (@SkySportsNews) <a href="https://twitter.com/SkySportsNews/status/1652959290066448385?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 1, 2023</a></blockquote>
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[MenInG]

Arsenal boss Mikel Arteta, speaking to BBC Match of the Day: "I am extremely happy, obviously and then there is pride. I am very proud of the players for the way they handled the environment and a team who has a lot of things that they do really well. We handled that really well. There was a lot of emotion from what happened last year here and in sport, when you have another opportunity, you have to show you have learned and approach it from a different way. I saw the fight in them to do it a different way today.

"We have to get back to that feeling [of losing last year - the video of which he showed his players ahead of Sunday] to understand. It is not enough just to talk about it. We have to see our faces and understand the emotions, not just the players but the staff also. You don't want to be like this anymore, it is a horrible feeling. Today we had to show a different type of competitiveness, desire and then quality.

"You have to continue to grow. We have done it for 10 months and we have to keep digging every day. The demands are incredibly high., we know that. We are doing what we have to do, to win football matches and competing really well. It is three games to go and we are still there.

"Before the game, I felt that I would put my boots on today because the atmosphere was incredible. That is what you want. You are playing for a championship, we guarantee second place. Let's keep going and digging and digging and see what is there."

 

[Firebat]

If we get 1 more win from our remaining 3 games, this will be our highest points total since the Invincibles season.

Arteta is not going anywhere right now, not even a question.

 

[Amjid Javed]

If manager like Anchelotti or any other world class manager is available Arsenal need to get then in.

Arteta will be remembered just like Brendon Rogers was at Liverpool and Leicester for bottling title races and top 4 races

 

[Rana]

If manager like Anchelotti or any other world class manager is available Arsenal need to get then in.

Arteta will be remembered just like Brendon Rogers was at Liverpool and Leicester for bottling title races and top 4 races

Tbf I think his away form this season deserves for him to have another season.

He’s got us back in the Champion’s league. He doesn’t have excuses about not being able to attract the best players in the world to play for us.

 

[Saj]

Careful what you wish for Arsenal fans - just look across London at Chelsea and Spurs and the mess both clubs are in.

 

[IMMY69]

It's been a phenomenal season when you think of where we were last season, the season before and before thst.

Arteta has earned himself two more seasons, unless it goes horrible wrong next season

 

[Rana]

Careful what you wish for Arsenal fans - just look across London at Chelsea and Spurs and the mess both clubs are in.

Chelsea are ruthless with managers

Tottenham are a joke tbh

 

[The_KING]

Careful what you wish for Arsenal fans - just look across London at Chelsea and Spurs and the mess both clubs are in.

You are talking as if Mikel Arteta is Arsene Wenger.

Arteta has done nothing as a manger, but some people hype him up like he is some proven winner.

 

[Amjid Javed]

You are talking as if Mikel Arteta is Arsene Wenger.

Arteta has done nothing as a manger, but some people hype him up like he is some proven winner.

Mediocre manager that losers in fan base are getting excited over because hes got CL football after 3.5 years in charge, that's the height of Mediocrity Arteta fan boys like to hype up

 

[Amjid Javed]

It's been a phenomenal season when you think of where we were last season, the season before and before thst.

Arteta has earned himself two more seasons, unless it goes horrible wrong next season

Phenomenon season? What because Arteta took Arsenal as low as 8th twice and now 2nd places is some sort of achievement.

No wonder the club has a loser mentality on the pitch when off it fans are twerking for mediocrity.

 

[Mamoon]

If manager like Anchelotti or any other world class manager is available Arsenal need to get then in.

Arteta will be remembered just like Brendon Rogers was at Liverpool and Leicester for bottling title races and top 4 races

Ancelotti )

Ancelotti has managed the most illustrious and powerful clubs in Europe for 20+ years and only won 5 league title. He doesn’t know the first thing about winning leagues.

He is a cup manager, that too when he is given a big purse. He is one of the most overrated managers of all time.

If Arsenal had Ancelotti this season, they would be struggling to finish 4th or 5th.

Arteta obviously has to take some blame for the collapse. Arsenal had an 8 point lead with 10 games to go and he should have been able to see it off. However, we should not lose perspective because it is an emotional moment.

Arteta is the ONLY reason Arsenal went toe to toe with City for the title this season and have finished second by a huge margin.

Ignorant and impatient Arsenal fans wanted his head on a stick for bottling 4th last season and 12 months later, he missed out on the league title by a whisker.

Arteta is doing a miraculous job at Arsenal and has proved that he is the right man for the long-term.

Arsenal fans who want him gone remind me of those Liverpool fans who were getting impatient with Klopp because he wasn’t winning anything before he signed VVD and Alisson and Liverpool won the CL and PL in consecutive seasons.

Arsenal is in a similar position. They are just short of 2-3 world class players to go to the next level and you have to trust Arteta to plug this gap in the summer window.

 

[proud_pakistani]

Ancelotti )

Ancelotti has managed the most illustrious and powerful clubs in Europe for 20+ years and only won 5 league title. He doesn’t know the first thing about winning leagues.

He is a cup manager, that too when he is given a big purse. He is one of the most overrated managers of all time.

If Arsenal had Ancelotti this season, they would be struggling to finish 4th or 5th.

Arteta obviously has to take some blame for the collapse. Arsenal had an 8 point lead with 10 games to go and he should have been able to see it off. However, we should not lose perspective because it is an emotional moment.

Arteta is the ONLY reason Arsenal went toe to toe with City for the title this season and have finished second by a huge margin.

Ignorant and impatient Arsenal fans wanted his head on a stick for bottling 4th last season and 12 months later, he missed out on the league title by a whisker.

Arteta is doing a miraculous job at Arsenal and has proved that he is the right man for the long-term.

Arsenal fans who want him gone remind me of those Liverpool fans who were getting impatient with Klopp because he wasn’t winning anything before he signed VVD and Alisson and Liverpool won the CL and PL in consecutive seasons.

Arsenal is in a similar position. They are just short of 2-3 world class players to go to the next level and you have to trust Arteta to plug this gap in the summer window.

Lol very rare to find Liverpool fans even back then who wanted Klopp out. Fact is we would struggle to get a manager of his level. Even today once he leaves it will be very tough to find his replacement.

 

[proud_pakistani]

Arteta is obviously the right choice. They have played some electric football this season and the best part is how he has really got the best of players like Odegaard, Saka. Still a very young team and they would have learnt a lot from this experience. Sometimes you need to lose to learn how to win. This was however their best chance to win the league in years. Chelsea, Liverpool, United, Newcastle will all comeback very hard next season. Challenging times ahead for all teams and Pep with Man City is the benchmark.

 

[Mamoon]

Lol very rare to find Liverpool fans even back then who wanted Klopp out. Fact is we would struggle to get a manager of his level. Even today once he leaves it will be very tough to find his replacement.

Most football fans are impatient and they measure success by trophies only. They fail to understand that trophies are a by-product. If the team is improving and progressing, trophies will eventually come.

Klopp couldn’t win anything in his first three seasons but it is obvious that he was taking Liverpool forward. There was a major difference between the Liverpool that he inherited and the one that lost the CL final in 2018 and had still not won anything under Klopp.

I have seen City fans grow impatient with someone like Pep because he hasn’t won the CL after all the spending and apparently winning the CL is what he was brought in for.

Anyone who thinks Arteta should be replaced and that he hasn’t taken Arsenal forward must be blind. The progression has been amazing and he deserves full banking.

 

[MenInG]

Most football fans are impatient and they measure success by trophies only. They fail to understand that trophies are a by-product. If the team is improving and progressing, trophies will eventually come.

Klopp couldn’t win anything in his first three seasons but it is obvious that he was taking Liverpool forward. There was a major difference between the Liverpool that he inherited and the one that lost the CL final in 2018 and had still not won anything under Klopp.

I have seen City fans grow impatient with someone like Pep because he hasn’t won the CL after all the spending and apparently winning the CL is what he was brought in for.

Anyone who thinks Arteta should be replaced and that he hasn’t taken Arsenal forward must be blind. The progression has been amazing and he deserves full banking.

Spot on.

Cannot remember when we last had hope for this team.

The end of next season could define his future but not a day before.

 

[Mamoon]

Arteta took over in November 2019. Let’s take a look at how Arsenal have fared in each of his full seasons (2020-21, 2021-22, 2022-23).

2020-21:

Position: 8th
Points: 61

2021-22:

Position: 5th
Points: 69

2022-23:

Position: 2nd
Points: 81 with two games to go
[MENTION=16]Amjid Javed[/MENTION] are you sure Arteta should be replaced? )

Arteta has improved Arsenal’s position by three places every season. This is progression and this is why he is the best man for the job. It is time to reward him with a new long-term contract and a big purse to further strengthen the squad.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Hilarious some fans calling others impatient.

Some fans have supported the club since the late 1980s, so they know from experience when club is progressing or a bottle job team etc..

Current era of fans haven't even seen team with a league title so no wonder they are getting excited by 2nd place finish.

 

[shaz619]

Most football fans are impatient and they measure success by trophies only. They fail to understand that trophies are a by-product. If the team is improving and progressing, trophies will eventually come.

Klopp couldn’t win anything in his first three seasons but it is obvious that he was taking Liverpool forward. There was a major difference between the Liverpool that he inherited and the one that lost the CL final in 2018 and had still not won anything under Klopp.

I have seen City fans grow impatient with someone like Pep because he hasn’t won the CL after all the spending and apparently winning the CL is what he was brought in for.

Anyone who thinks Arteta should be replaced and that he hasn’t taken Arsenal forward must be blind. The progression has been amazing and he deserves full banking.

Spot on.

Cannot remember when we last had hope for this team.

The end of next season could define his future but not a day before.

Agree that any team would take this at the start of the season, but you can’t overlook how Arsenal performed an all mighty choke, the moment they felt a tiny bit of pressure.

I don’t think the gulf in class between City and Arsenal is that wide.

Arsenal were good enough to win the league comfortably, but they bottled it.

To drop points the way they did, after getting themselves in a strong position, is a record in itself. Am sure that statistically, other teams in a similar position at the mid point, went on to win the league on most occasions.

But ignoring these events as an achievement it’s good, anything less than a league triumph next season will not be enough to make up for this seasons defeat

 

[Technics 1210]

With exception of a few supporters (Amjid Javed), many fans actually are failing to see the bigger picture.

While it is true that Arsenal gave Man City a run for their money and Arsenal were #1 on Jan 1st 2023, but a deep dive analysis is required.

First of all, this season was an anomaly with the WC being held over Nov/Dec, this meant that respective foreign players in the PL, had national duties, which disrupted the usual PL teams rota. Did it play a fundamental role in weakening top PL teams? There is no doubt the intensity of the heavyweight teams was less when compared with the previous seasons across the same period.

Then you have the likes of Chelsea, and Man U, and to an extent Liverpool - all heavyweights - going through major changes, and these changes have an effect on the pitch. Chelsea for obvious reasons, Man U, Ronaldo issue and bids for the club, Mane leaving Liverpool and potential bids for the clubs. Restructuring and uncertainty in a nutshell!

Arsenal's success this season has all the hall marks of Leicester City's winning the PL, during a season when all the major clubs were restructuring and Leicester pounded on the uncertainty. We can all see how Leicester have performed since.

In summary, next season, Arsenal will not even make it to the top 4 because the heavyweights will back to a consistent form, and next season will decide whether Arsenal got lucky this season through attrition or whether Arteta is the next incarnation of Pep!

 

[Amjid Javed]

With exception of a few supporters (Amjid Javed), many fans actually are failing to see the bigger picture.

While it is true that Arsenal gave Man City a run for their money and Arsenal were #1 on Jan 1st 2023, but a deep dive analysis is required.

First of all, this season was an anomaly with the WC being held over Nov/Dec, this meant that respective foreign players in the PL, had national duties, which disrupted the usual PL teams rota. Did it play a fundamental role in weakening top PL teams? There is no doubt the intensity of the heavyweight teams was less when compared with the previous seasons across the same period.

Then you have the likes of Chelsea, and Man U, and to an extent Liverpool - all heavyweights - going through major changes, and these changes have an effect on the pitch. Chelsea for obvious reasons, Man U, Ronaldo issue and bids for the club, Mane leaving Liverpool and potential bids for the clubs. Restructuring and uncertainty in a nutshell!

Arsenal's success this season has all the hall marks of Leicester City's winning the PL, during a season when all the major clubs were restructuring and Leicester pounded on the uncertainty. We can all see how Leicester have performed since.

In summary, next season, Arsenal will not even make it to the top 4 because the heavyweights will back to a consistent form, and next season will decide whether Arsenal got lucky this season through attrition or whether Arteta is the next incarnation of Pep!

This summer TW is make or break for Arsenal. Edu has already show incompetence in the last few TW that he can't gey big deals done, this summer Arsenal can't afford to not get their 1st choice targets, penny pinching or low ball offers for Rice or Caicedo will just see other clubs like City, United, Chelsea step in and take the signings instead.

When Arsenal have gone for PL proven players it's worked - White, Jesus, Trossard have been a success, Zinchenko has been good and bad. Jorginho hasn't been used enough to make a real impact.

Then uve had the so called squad depth players which has been completed and utter dog **** - tavares, lakonga, Vieira, Tomiyasu (can't stay fit), kiwor. All these garbage mistakes which have had to be rectified or will have to be rectified.

Then there has been the retaining / giving new contracts of holding, elneny, Nketiah

Reality is Arsenal have had last 4 TW to improve start 11 and squad depth, all they have done is improve starting 11.

Now most of the fan base have their prayer mats out hoping that CL money is all of sudden going going to get them next level of player .

1) The last 4 TW have been hit and miss what exactly is their proof thats going to change?

2) how many fans hands on heart Trust Edu to get a big deal over the line?

Arsenal need two top class midfielders, instead they are offering elneny a new contract and begging xhaka to stay

Jesus as good as his link up play is, he's not going to score more than 15 PL goals in season. Is Arteta going to be brave enough to sign an Ivan toney or someone else

The captaincy needs to change, having a arm waving, clapping player as captain ain't leadership. You might as well play gunnersaurus he could play the cheerleader role

Finally the defence is a shambles again plenty time to address this area.

White is good.
Saliba is amazing
Gabriel is decent

Rest of defence is mediocre or can't stay fit. Zinchenko, tomayassu, Tierney, kiwor, holding are not up to task. How much more money is going to have to be spent fixing the issue.

25 goals conceded at home is a shambolic effort for a team which bottled the league.

It reminds me of when Liverpool bottled league under Rogers, they conceded near enough 50 goals that season which wasn't good enough.

Arsenal mess this TW up and then will be fighting for 4th / 5th spot next year.

As far as cups go, Artetas performances since winning FA Cup have been embarrassing to say the least and another reason why I don't by into the fan boy manager hype.

 

[Mamoon]

Arteta will walk the league title with Pep’s budget.

The fact that he competed with City and outperformed the likes of Chelsea and United having spent far less money shows how brilliant a manager he is.

Arsenal is incredibly lucky to have him. City would love to have him replace Pep whenever Pep calls time on his City’s career, and teams like PSG, Madrid, Bayern, Juventus etc. would happily take him if he decides to leave Arsenal.

He is a brilliant tactician and the Arsenal board recognizes this, which is why he was given a new contract when a big portion of the supporters wanted his head on a stick.

Now it is time to back him in the summer and get the transfers done early.

 

[Technics 1210]

Arteta will walk the league title with Pep’s budget.

The fact that he competed with City and outperformed the likes of Chelsea and United having spent far less money shows how brilliant a manager he is.

Arsenal is incredibly lucky to have him. City would love to have him replace Pep whenever Pep calls time on his City’s career, and teams like PSG, Madrid, Bayern, Juventus etc. would happily take him if he decides to leave Arsenal.

He is a brilliant tactician and the Arsenal board recognizes this, which is why he was given a new contract when a big portion of the supporters wanted his head on a stick.

Now it is time to back him in the summer and get the transfers done early.

Arteta is the next Pep - this is what you claimed a number of seasons ago.

Now you are changing the tune by claiming if Arteta has Pep's budget, then Arteta would walk the league; when your initial claim was that Arteta was on par with Pep on a tactical level.

What are you insinuating here? A budget is proportionate to success? We all know this is not true given what has happened to Chelsea this season.

The only reason Arsenal *feel* they are lucky to have Arteta as manager is because Arteta was Pep's sidekick and fans live in hope that Pep has taught his 'protégé' a few tricks or 2.

 

[Mamoon]

Arteta is the next Pep - this is what you claimed a number of seasons ago.

Now you are changing the tune by claiming if Arteta has Pep's budget, then Arteta would walk the league; when your initial claim was that Arteta was on par with Pep on a tactical level.

What are you insinuating here? A budget is proportionate to success? We all know this is not true given what has happened to Chelsea this season.

The only reason Arsenal *feel* they are lucky to have Arteta as manager is because Arteta was Pep's sidekick and fans live in hope that Pep has taught his 'protégé' a few tricks or 2.

Arteta is the next Pep, hence my assertion that if Arteta had Pep’s budget, he would walk the league.

If Frank Lampard or Potter had Pep’s budget, they won’t walk the league.

Giving a big purse to a tactically inept manager leads to chaos, but giving a big purse to a tactical genius like Pep and Arteta brings results.

Arteta has done a miraculous job at Arsenal and turned things around to make the club a proper force again. He is the only reason why Arsenal challenged for the title in the first place.

Any other manger and Arsenal would be struggling like United and Liverpool this season, although they would still be ahead of the circus show in West London.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Arteta is the next Pep - this is what you claimed a number of seasons ago.

Now you are changing the tune by claiming if Arteta has Pep's budget, then Arteta would walk the league; when your initial claim was that Arteta was on par with Pep on a tactical level.

What are you insinuating here? A budget is proportionate to success? We all know this is not true given what has happened to Chelsea this season.

The only reason Arsenal *feel* they are lucky to have Arteta as manager is because Arteta was Pep's sidekick and fans live in hope that Pep has taught his 'protégé' a few tricks or 2.

The whole Peps number 2 thing is just a pitiful desperate wish that Arteta fan boys use so they can live up to so called hype. We saw it at united when they had different number 2s under fergie and when they came to manage on their own. Same is case with Arteta under Pep.

The guy has 1 way of playing, no plan B, no tactical awareness, his pathetic in game management is why Arsenal bottled the title.

Arteta fan boys then using united / Chelsea as some sort of comparisons because they have spent money, so have Arsenal..

Never seen such a average manager hyped so much as Arteta. The excuse was when he started was the players weren't good enough.

Same players finished 5th, EL final under Emery, same players helped Arteta win an FA Cup.

Look at how quickly Emery had turned villa around. Always excuse from Arteta fan boy club chairmen (mamoon) and vice chairman (immy69) when their hero comes up short.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Arteta will walk the league title with Pep’s budget.

The fact that he competed with City and outperformed the likes of Chelsea and United having spent far less money shows how brilliant a manager he is.

Arsenal is incredibly lucky to have him. City would love to have him replace Pep whenever Pep calls time on his City’s career, and teams like PSG, Madrid, Bayern, Juventus etc. would happily take him if he decides to leave Arsenal.

He is a brilliant tactician and the Arsenal board recognizes this, which is why he was given a new contract when a big portion of the supporters wanted his head on a stick.

Now it is time to back him in the summer and get the transfers done early.

Arteta wouldn't last a season at Real, Barca or Bayern. All these clubs sack managers for failures.

Real have had 18 Managers in last 20 years at club. Arteta is a proven fraud and failure in Europe and these big clubs demand not only winning league titles but also CLs.

It's very rare for Real to have managers longer then 3 years. Arteta has won nothing in last 3 season and only just made CL.

So why would any big club with ambition and accountability employe a proven failure.

 

[Amjid Javed]

https://youtu.be/hwJsJXFpys8

This is what most clueless Arsenal fans are like these days. This guy Daud is a reflection of the Arteta fan boy club, but also fans who accept mediocrity.

You have similar fans like mamoon, immy69 and few others acting in same way.

 

[Technics 1210]

https://youtu.be/hwJsJXFpys8

This is what most clueless Arsenal fans are like these days. This guy Daud is a reflection of the Arteta fan boy club, but also fans who accept mediocrity.

You have similar fans like mamoon, immy69 and few others acting in same way.

13 trophies he has bottled out 14 - what a quality quote.

 

[Kroll]

If Arteta had Pep's budget. )

As if Arsenal haven't spent anything. Some people need to realise Arteta has been schooled by his old master.

Arsenal back to their normal self next season, pushing and jostling for a European spot, not the title.

 

[Amjid Javed]

13 trophies he has bottled out 14 - what a quality quote.

Lee Gunner is brutal, this is how proper Arsenal fans are ones with expectations and accountability, rather then plastic Arteta fan boys.

 

[Amjid Javed]

If Arteta had Pep's budget. )

As if Arsenal haven't spent anything. Some people need to realise Arteta has been schooled by his old master.

Arsenal back to their normal self next season, pushing and jostling for a European spot, not the title.

130M a season on average spent in last 3 seaaons. no Arteta fan boy will mention that though as they want to make out he's spent peanuts.

Spanish brendon Rogers.

Or as Mourinho would say "specialist in failure"

 

[Saj]

Expectations are going to be even higher next season.

But things will be tougher - Chelsea, Man Utd and Liverpool and bound to be stronger next season.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Expectations are going to be even higher next season.

But things will be tougher - Chelsea, Man Utd and Liverpool and bound to be stronger next season.

Next season will be his 4th full season in charge, that means if he's still lucky to still be in a job he has to win a major trophy (I don't mean a FA Cup or league cup)

He's spent over 500M while in charge and the club will probably spend probably 200M in summer. No more excuse from his fan boys or the other club fans excepting mediocrity.

Personally you should be replaced now.

 

[Mamoon]

Arteta wouldn't last a season at Real, Barca or Bayern. All these clubs sack managers for failures.

Real have had 18 Managers in last 20 years at club. Arteta is a proven fraud and failure in Europe and these big clubs demand not only winning league titles but also CLs.

It's very rare for Real to have managers longer then 3 years. Arteta has won nothing in last 3 season and only just made CL.

So why would any big club with ambition and accountability employe a proven failure.

You are wrong. When you invest in a young manager, you gave him time.

Xavi has bottled the UCL in consecutive seasons and had a really slow start in La Liga as well but Barcelona kept faith in him and they have reaped the rewards this season.

Arteta is just in his third season as manager and has already made a huge impact. His potential is huge and any big club would love to have him.

 

[Mamoon]

If Arteta had Pep's budget. )

As if Arsenal haven't spent anything. Some people need to realise Arteta has been schooled by his old master.

Arsenal back to their normal self next season, pushing and jostling for a European spot, not the title.

There is difference between spending money and having Pep’s budget. Every manager needs to spend money.

Klopp couldn’t win anything for Liverpool until Barcelona overpaid for Coutinho and he used that money to buy the most expensive CB and GK of all time.

Arteta has spent money and Arsenal has seen the results of that spending this season but he has still spent a fraction of what Pep has.

The fact that he was able to push Pep all the way for the league title after spending a fraction of what he has shows what a brilliant manager he is, and the mess the likes of Chelsea and United have created with their big spending shows that some Arsenal fans should be careful what they wish for.

They need to get over their delusion that Arteta is holding the team back etc. Arteta is the sole reason why they challenged for the league this season in the first place.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Up until this season, Arsenal had spent the most money in transfers over a 5 year period (only Chelsea bohley spree has superseded that)

Last 5 seasons - 549 M spent by Arsenal

Man city at same time man city have spent 250M

But Arteta hasn't had peps budget * why do Arteta fan boys have to lie.

 

[Kroll]

There is difference between spending money and having Pep’s budget. Every manager needs to spend money.

Klopp couldn’t win anything for Liverpool until Barcelona overpaid for Coutinho and he used that money to buy the most expensive CB and GK of all time.

Arteta has spent money and Arsenal has seen the results of that spending this season but he has still spent a fraction of what Pep has.

The fact that he was able to push Pep all the way for the league title after spending a fraction of what he has shows what a brilliant manager he is, and the mess the likes of Chelsea and United have created with their big spending shows that some Arsenal fans should be careful what they wish for.

They need to get over their delusion that Arteta is holding the team back etc. Arteta is the sole reason why they challenged for the league this season in the first place.

Its a bit of a myth that Pep has spent more than everyone else. He just gets everyone to play at their optimal. In the last five years of the PL, Arsenal have been the 3rd biggest spenders after Chelsea and Man Utd.

 

[Kroll]

Up until this season, Arsenal had spent the most money in transfers over a 5 year period (only Chelsea bohley spree has superseded that)

Last 5 seasons - 549 M spent by Arsenal

Man city at same time man city have spent 250M

But Arteta hasn't had peps budget &#55358;&#56611;&#55358;&#56614;* why do Arteta fan boys have to lie.

Just saw this, yep that's right, flat out lies are being spouted which can easily be debunked.

 

[hitthestump]

Up until this season, Arsenal had spent the most money in transfers over a 5 year period (only Chelsea bohley spree has superseded that)

Last 5 seasons - 549 M spent by Arsenal

Man city at same time man city have spent 250M

But Arteta hasn't had peps budget &#55358;&#56611;&#55358;&#56614;* why do Arteta fan boys have to lie.

Not an accurate equivalency at all. Arteta has overseen a complete overhaul of the first team XI. Pep hasn't had to do anything close to that over the past 5 years.

 

[MenInG]

The main challenge is for Arteta to build a squad which can do 2-3 major tournaments with equal energy.

Right now we are just about able to do PL.

 

[Amjid Javed]

The main challenge is for Arteta to build a squad which can do 2-3 major tournaments with equal energy.

Right now we are just about able to do PL.

3.5 Years he's had to build a team and squad depth.

Instead the so called depth has been wasted on lakonga, tavares, Vieira, kiwor, tomiyasu.

Then retaining holding, elneny, Nketiah, Nelson etc...

What exactly is going to change when Arteta and edu are making these poor decisions which had proved zero depth.

This is why either Edu or Arteta need to be made accountable or even sacked

 

[Mamoon]

Up until this season, Arsenal had spent the most money in transfers over a 5 year period (only Chelsea bohley spree has superseded that)

Last 5 seasons - 549 M spent by Arsenal

Man city at same time man city have spent 250M

But Arteta hasn't had peps budget * why do Arteta fan boys have to lie.

Its a bit of a myth that Pep has spent more than everyone else. He just gets everyone to play at their optimal. In the last five years of the PL, Arsenal have been the 3rd biggest spenders after Chelsea and Man Utd.

Just saw this, yep that's right, flat out lies are being spouted which can easily be debunked.

Such fabricated nonsense will not fly past me. Not on my watch. I'm sorry it is nothing personal, but I will make sure to call ** when I see it.

Firstly, it is completely idiotic to go back 5 years because Arteta was not the Arsenal manager 5 years. I'm sure you can do basic arithmetic - Arteta was appoined Arsenal manager on 19 December 2019. Today is 16 May 2023. This is not 5 years.

It is true that Arsenal wasted a lot of money between the 2016 and 2019 summer windows. Wenger/Emery spent decent money for little to no return. They spent over £150m on Pepe, Lacazette and Mustafi who couldn't cut the mustard.

If Arsenal's recruitment was better, Emery might have been able to keep his job or at least Arteta would have inherited a much better squad.

When Arteta joined Arsenal, City already had the following players and they have been pivotal to their success over the last few years:

De Bruyne
Bernando
Foden
Rodri
Gundogan
Mahrez
Ederson
Walker
Stones
Laporte

With the exception of De Bruyne, all of these players were signed by Pep. On the other hand, the following was Arsenal's core when Arteta took over:

Aubameyang
Lacazette
Pepe
Xhaka
Torreira
Guendouzi
Tierney
Luiz
Sokratis
Bellerin
Leno

With the exception of Xhaka, none of these players have been starters for Arsenal this season. In fact, with the exception of Xhaka and Tierney, none of these players are at Arsenal anymore.

Since Arteta joined Arsenal, he has spent £387m on incoming transfers. In the same period, Pep has spent £400m on incoming transfers.

So in spite of having a Premier League winning squad, Pep has spent more money than Arteta on new signings even though Arteta had inherited a squad that was a million miles away from challenging for the Premier League title.

The only conclusion that we can derive here is that Arteta is a genius. He has managed to close the gap between Arsenal and City in spite of spending less money than Pep in the same period.

When you look at where City was when Arteta joined Arsenal and where Arsenal was, Arteta has done a miraculous job.

Besides, this is no ordinary City team. It is one of the best ever in the history of English football and Pep is undoubtedly the best and most influential manager in modern football.

Arteta though is not far behind. He is also a footballing mastermind and the way he has transformed Arsenal and made them title challengers in the Pep and Klopp era is testament to his immense potential as manager.

Arsenal is lucky to have him, they should and will fully back him in the window and anyone who criticizes him or thinks he should be replaced doesn't know the first thing about football.

 

[topspin]

You are wrong. When you invest in a young manager, you gave him time.

Xavi has bottled the UCL in consecutive seasons and had a really slow start in La Liga as well but Barcelona kept faith in him and they have reaped the rewards this season.

Arteta is just in his third season as manager and has already made a huge impact. His potential is huge and any big club would love to have him.

What about if Arsenal miss out on either the PL or CL next season?

 

[topspin]

Will he get a better chance to win the league?

 

[proud_pakistani]

Most football fans are impatient and they measure success by trophies only. They fail to understand that trophies are a by-product. If the team is improving and progressing, trophies will eventually come.

Klopp couldn’t win anything in his first three seasons but it is obvious that he was taking Liverpool forward. There was a major difference between the Liverpool that he inherited and the one that lost the CL final in 2018 and had still not won anything under Klopp.

I have seen City fans grow impatient with someone like Pep because he hasn’t won the CL after all the spending and apparently winning the CL is what he was brought in for.

Anyone who thinks Arteta should be replaced and that he hasn’t taken Arsenal forward must be blind. The progression has been amazing and he deserves full banking.

I agree but there werent any liverpool fans who wanted Klopp sacked. If so they were minimal because the managers before him we had were generally far mediocre than Klopp. Even Brendan Rodgers who had one very good season fell off after Suarez left. Most Liverpool fans were impatient with Rodgers because everyone knew that was his ceiling and most importantly BR would struggle to attract major talent unlike Klopp which is why Liverpool fans have still kept faith. Even after the current season Liverpool fans dread Klopp leaving as it is unknown who will come next.

 

[Technics 1210]

Such fabricated nonsense will not fly past me. Not on my watch. I'm sorry it is nothing personal, but I will make sure to call ** when I see it.

Firstly, it is completely idiotic to go back 5 years because Arteta was not the Arsenal manager 5 years. I'm sure you can do basic arithmetic - Arteta was appoined Arsenal manager on 19 December 2019. Today is 16 May 2023. This is not 5 years.

It is true that Arsenal wasted a lot of money between the 2016 and 2019 summer windows. Wenger/Emery spent decent money for little to no return. They spent over £150m on Pepe, Lacazette and Mustafi who couldn't cut the mustard.

If Arsenal's recruitment was better, Emery might have been able to keep his job or at least Arteta would have inherited a much better squad.

When Arteta joined Arsenal, City already had the following players and they have been pivotal to their success over the last few years:

De Bruyne
Bernando
Foden
Rodri
Gundogan
Mahrez
Ederson
Walker
Stones
Laporte

With the exception of De Bruyne, all of these players were signed by Pep. On the other hand, the following was Arsenal's core when Arteta took over:

Aubameyang
Lacazette
Pepe
Xhaka
Torreira
Guendouzi
Tierney
Luiz
Sokratis
Bellerin
Leno

With the exception of Xhaka, none of these players have been starters for Arsenal this season. In fact, with the exception of Xhaka and Tierney, none of these players are at Arsenal anymore.

Since Arteta joined Arsenal, he has spent £387m on incoming transfers. In the same period, Pep has spent £400m on incoming transfers.

So in spite of having a Premier League winning squad, Pep has spent more money than Arteta on new signings even though Arteta had inherited a squad that was a million miles away from challenging for the Premier League title.

The only conclusion that we can derive here is that Arteta is a genius. He has managed to close the gap between Arsenal and City in spite of spending less money than Pep in the same period.

When you look at where City was when Arteta joined Arsenal and where Arsenal was, Arteta has done a miraculous job.

Besides, this is no ordinary City team. It is one of the best ever in the history of English football and Pep is undoubtedly the best and most influential manager in modern football.

Arteta though is not far behind. He is also a footballing mastermind and the way he has transformed Arsenal and made them title challengers in the Pep and Klopp era is testament to his immense potential as manager.

Arsenal is lucky to have him, they should and will fully back him in the window and anyone who criticizes him or thinks he should be replaced doesn't know the first thing about football.

So let me get this straight, Pepe has spent £13 Million more than Arteta in the same period?

If Arteta had Pep's budget.

What does an extra £13 Million get you in the Premier League? A waterboy?

 

[Mamoon]

So let me get this straight, Pepe has spent £13 Million more than Arteta in the same period?

If Arteta had Pep's budget.

What does an extra £13 Million get you in the Premier League? A waterboy?

Please read my post again. I have explained everything in depth Both City and Arsenal were in completely different phases when Arteta took charge of Arsenal.

City still have the same core from 2019-20 except 2-3 players while Arsenal have a completely different team now.

City were a champion team in 2019-20 while Arsenal was barely top 6 material. Today, City is still a champion team while Arteta has turned Arsenal into title challengers while spending £13m less than Pep in the same period.

In other words, Pep had a world class squad in 2019-20, Arteta inherited a mediocre squad and in spite of spending less money than Pep since, he has closed the gap between City and Arsenal massively, displacing Liverpool as City’s main title rival.

This is the genius of Arteta and all the proof that anyone needs of how much potential he has as a manager. Any other manager and Arsenal would not challenged City for the PL title this season after spending less money than City in the same period.

If Arteta had Pep’s budget, i.e. if he gets to spend the amount of money Pep has spent at City since taking over in 2016, there is no doubt that he will also win several PL titles and fight for trebles etc.

Arteta is a brilliant young manager and anyone who doubts it has to be blind as a bat. Has he had mistakes? Sure he has, every manager makes mistakes. Pep himself has made massive mistakes which have prevented City from winning the UCL until now.

With the money that he has spent and the players that he has had, Pep should have already won at least 2 UCLs with City.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Arsenal could end up 9 or 10 points behind Man city, after being 8 points clear with 9 games to go. Arteta needs to be sacked, this current run of form is unacceptable and shows how clueless Arteta is and that the weak mentality at team will never be shifted.

 

[MenInG]

Arsenal could end up 9 or 10 points behind Man city, after being 8 points clear with 9 games to go. Arteta needs to be sacked, this current run of form is unacceptable and shows how clueless Arteta is and that the weak mentality at team will never be shifted.

No he doesn't need to be sacked.

He needs to be supported for the next season and then his situation monitored.

 

[Amjid Javed]

No he doesn't need to be sacked.

He needs to be supported for the next season and then his situation monitored.

Supported with what? 3.5 years in charge and season after season club is bottling end of season, EL semi final, Top 4 and now title.

If we lose today we have won 2 in last 8 and City could end up 10 points ahead

Big clubs don't collapse like this at end of season. He needs to be sacked, same again next season.

 

[Amjid Javed]

So man city will win title with 3 games to spare, 8 points behind to 10 points clear if they win both games in hand.

18 point swing essentially in 7 or 8 games.

Gutless surrender, not even made City fight for the title.

But I'm sure Arteta cheerleaders mamoon, MIG and immy69 will have a new set of excuses for this clown in charge.

 

[Amjid Javed]

They need to get over their delusion that Arteta is holding the team back etc. Arteta is the sole reason why they challenged for the league this season in the first place.

8 points clear with 9 games left, City are now winning league with 3 games to spare, they win their 2 games in hand the will be 10 points clear.

18 point swing in 8 games, and your the delusional one doing bhangra that Arteta is some sort of genius.

2 wins in last 8 games, let that hard cold facts and stats slap some sense into you.

The Spanish brendon Rogers aka fraudeta has taken Arsenal as far as he can.

Let's see what your lake excuses are now

 

[topspin]

At the end of the day, the inexperience of the team and Arteta has shown during the last 8 games.

This might shock some of the Arteta loyalists but this is not an effort to be proud of even in the slightest because the harsh reality is Pep actually went easy on us. Earlier in the season, he was benching 2 of his best players in KDB and Gundorgan because he was doing his experiments. He could afford to do this because deep down he knew he was going to win the PL before the season had began. After losing some points, he stopped all the experimenting and brought Gundorgen and KDB back to the fold to do what they do best.

City could've easily managed 100 points. Pep has done it before but this team of his is even better and they will win the treble.

Arsenal will not get a better chance so therefore I'm doubtful we'll win a PL or CL with Arteta (even if we spend £200m) but he has bought himself one more season.

Edu is the biggest culprit. He needs to be sacked because his inability to get deals over the line is terrible. We should have gone all out in January and bolstered our options in the centre of defence and in midfield. That is where the title has been lost.

EDU OUT!

 

[topspin]

What about if Arsenal miss out on either the PL or CL next season?

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]

You've been bullish about our title hopes for most part of this season and unfortunately that hasn't panned out but I kindly like to ask again, what should Arsenal do with Arteta if we fail to win either the PL or UCL?

 

[Amjid Javed]

The fact Arsenal in Artetas entire reign keep going through these huge slumps in form every season and it's taking Arteta to long to find solutions. 2 wins in 8 is beyond pathetic.

Never rated this clown in charge and never will. Arsenal ain't winning anything next season with this fraud in charge.

 

[topspin]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]

You've been bullish about our title hopes for most part of this season and unfortunately that hasn't panned out but I kindly like to ask again, what should Arsenal do with Arteta if we fail to win either the PL or UCL?

next season that is*

 

[Amjid Javed]

At the end of the day, the inexperience of the team and Arteta has shown during the last 8 games.

This might shock some of the Arteta loyalists but this is not an effort to be proud of even in the slightest because the harsh reality is Pep actually went easy on us. Earlier in the season, he was benching 2 of his best players in KDB and Gundorgan because he was doing his experiments. He could afford to do this because deep down he knew he was going to win the PL before the season had began. After losing some points, he stopped all the experimenting and brought Gundorgen and KDB back to the fold to do what they do best.

City could've easily managed 100 points. Pep has done it before but this team of his is even better and they will win the treble.

Arsenal will not get a better chance so therefore I'm doubtful we'll win a PL or CL with Arteta (even if we spend £200m) but he has bought himself one more season.

Edu is the biggest culprit. He needs to be sacked because his inability to get deals over the line is terrible. We should have gone all out in January and bolstered our options in the centre of defence and in midfield. That is where the title has been lost.

EDU OUT!

Arsenal can't afford another hit and miss TW, edu won't deliver and Arteta will flop again.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Arsenal could end up 9 or 10 points behind Man city, after being 8 points clear with 9 games to go. Arteta needs to be sacked, this current run of form is unacceptable and shows how clueless Arteta is and that the weak mentality at team will never be shifted.

Who would you get?

 

[topspin]

Arsenal can't afford another hit and miss TW, edu won't deliver and Arteta will flop again.

Lets see what Arteta can do with squad depth, assuming we do spend £200m this summer. If he can't win the PL or UCL next season then he needs to go.

From what I've seen of him, I'm not convinced he knows how to rotate players. A good case in point is Saka. He's been run to the ground.

 

[topspin]

Who would you get?

You know what Eddie Howe would be a good contender if the job was to become vacant.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Who would you get?

Ancelotti
Zidane
Luis Enrique
Simione

Theirs 4 top class managers that could be used, all with winners mentality and proven winners.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Lets see what Arteta can do with squad depth, assuming we do spend £200m this summer. If he can't win the PL or UCL next season then he needs to go.

From what I've seen of him, I'm not convinced he knows how to rotate players. A good case in point is Saka. He's been run to the ground.

Squad depth?

Werent tavares, lakonga, tomiyassu, Vieira, kiwor, nketitah (new contract), Jorginho suppose to be squad depth

With xhaka leaving, Tierney likely to go the squad depth is going to get worse. The club will waste more money fixing areas of team (LB, RB etc ...) because of Artetas amateurish decisions and poor squad management.

Our defence has conceded 40 plus goals and are 2nd in league, 200M spent by Arteta on defenders since he took over.

 

[Amjid Javed]

You know what Eddie Howe would be a good contender if the job was to become vacant.

Even getting Unai Emery back would be better then Arteta right now.

Howe would be a good shout.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

You know what Eddie Howe would be a good contender if the job was to become vacant.

Well, you can forget that one, he's hopefully here for years to come

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Ancelotti
Zidane
Luis Enrique
Simione

Theirs 4 top class managers that could be used, all with winners mentality and proven winners.

The same Ancelotti that is 14 points behind Barca despite having a better squad?

 

[topspin]

Even getting Unai Emery back would be better then Arteta right now.

Howe would be a good shout.

Emery has done seriously well. He's hit the ground running. That's what you need. He failed last time because of the language barrier as players couldn't understand him but I think he's learnt from that and is now at the peak of his powers. He's already schooled Arteta in the Europa League.

 

[Amjid Javed]

The same Ancelotti that is 14 points behind Barca despite having a better squad?

Same Ancelotti that won La liga last season and CL. Same guy who PL with Chelsea

Why have you not mentioned the other 3 managers I named?

 

[Amjid Javed]

Emery has done seriously well. He's hit the ground running. That's what you need. He failed last time because of the language barrier as players couldn't understand him but I think he's learnt from that and is now at the peak of his powers. He's already schooled Arteta in the Europa League.

He will continue to do well at Villa if he's back by their owners.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Same Ancelotti that won La liga last season and CL. Same guy who PL with Chelsea

Why have you not mentioned the other 3 managers I named?

Just wanted to focus on Ancelotti first, it just demonstrates top managers can "lose" a league title

There's very little to show that Ancelotti will be able to compete with Pep, he's very much a competition manager really

As for Zidane, doesn't appear to show an appetite for a job apart from Real, doubt he'll want to come to Arsenal

Luis Enrique is an interesting one, his record is quite mixed really, don't think he's the guy people think he is

As for Simeone, he's brilliant but your fans/clubs isn't ready to accept that type of football

Ultimately my point being, I don't think any of the other managers you listed win the league with this squad and in this circumstances. Ultimately it doesn't bother me but I think it's strange to use this season as the one to get rid of him

The reality is Arsenal have shown progress under Arteta

 

[Technics 1210]

Please read my post again. I have explained everything in depth Both City and Arsenal were in completely different phases when Arteta took charge of Arsenal.

City still have the same core from 2019-20 except 2-3 players while Arsenal have a completely different team now.

City were a champion team in 2019-20 while Arsenal was barely top 6 material. Today, City is still a champion team while Arteta has turned Arsenal into title challengers while spending £13m less than Pep in the same period.

In other words, Pep had a world class squad in 2019-20, Arteta inherited a mediocre squad and in spite of spending less money than Pep since, he has closed the gap between City and Arsenal massively, displacing Liverpool as City’s main title rival.

This is the genius of Arteta and all the proof that anyone needs of how much potential he has as a manager. Any other manager and Arsenal would not challenged City for the PL title this season after spending less money than City in the same period.

If Arteta had Pep’s budget, i.e. if he gets to spend the amount of money Pep has spent at City since taking over in 2016, there is no doubt that he will also win several PL titles and fight for trebles etc.

Arteta is a brilliant young manager and anyone who doubts it has to be blind as a bat. Has he had mistakes? Sure he has, every manager makes mistakes. Pep himself has made massive mistakes which have prevented City from winning the UCL until now.

With the money that he has spent and the players that he has had, Pep should have already won at least 2 UCLs with City.

https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/premier-league-five-net-spend-134509929.html?guccounter=1

In the past 5 years, City's net spend is 10th in the table, and Arsenal are sitting 3rd.

Chelsea has spent 2/5ths of City's total since 2008, in a year!

The fact is it is not all about the money, City are just smart at spending money, and Pep is genius, and his protege has much to learn.

 

[Mamoon]

https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/premier-league-five-net-spend-134509929.html?guccounter=1

In the past 5 years, City's net spend is 10th in the table, and Arsenal are sitting 3rd.

Chelsea has spent 2/5ths of City's total since 2008, in a year!

The fact is it is not all about the money, City are just smart at spending money, and Pep is genius, and his protege has much to learn.

City is an extremely well run club. They have spent huge money on transfers since 2008 but they have also heavily invested in their infrastructure and academy.

There is no doubt that Pep is a genius. People who say he is all about money should look at what he did at Barcelona.

When you give a top manager money, you get results. Pep has proved it, Klopp has proved it. Arteta has also shown what he can do when he is backed by the board.

He has spent money in the last few years and he has closed the gap with City. There is no doubt that he has what it takes to dominate the league as long has he is allowed to spending.

Money doesn’t guarantee success, but money backed by a quality manager who knows what he is doing pretty much guarantees success.

 

[Mamoon]

8 points clear with 9 games left, City are now winning league with 3 games to spare, they win their 2 games in hand the will be 10 points clear.

18 point swing in 8 games, and your the delusional one doing bhangra that Arteta is some sort of genius.

2 wins in last 8 games, let that hard cold facts and stats slap some sense into you.

The Spanish brendon Rogers aka fraudeta has taken Arsenal as far as he can.

Let's see what your lake excuses are now

You said the same last season when Arsenal finished 5th and you claimed that Arteta should be sacked because Arsenal will never be title contenders under him.

Your anti-Arteta agenda is very obvious and I won’t entertain it.

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]

You've been bullish about our title hopes for most part of this season and unfortunately that hasn't panned out but I kindly like to ask again, what should Arsenal do with Arteta if we fail to win either the PL or UCL?

It doesn’t matter if Arsenal don’t win the league next season as long as they produce an improved performance than this season and obviously mount a serious title challenge.

If Arsenal finish second with 92 points and City win the league with 100 points it doesn’t matter that Arteta should be sacked.

As far as the UCL is concerned, you have to understand that winning the UCL requires a lot of luck. It is an extremely prestigious tournament but it is not the true litmus test of a team or a manager.

Pep has dominated league football for 15 years but he has only won the UCL twice so far. Even a manager like Di Matteo has won a UCL.

Ancelotti doesn’t know the first thing about dominating leagues. He has 5 titles in 20 seasons in spite of managing almost every rich and powerful European powerhouse but he seems to always do well in the UCL.

Inter are in the UCL final but they are not even close to being the best team in Italy. They can defend like dogs in Istanbul and have the game of their lives and beat City 1-0, but if they and City play in the same league, they wouldn’t come close to finishing above them.

These are my expectations for next season:

- Serious title challenge with 90+ points
- A strong UCL showing irrespective of how far the team goes.

As long as Arsenal can do this it will show that the team is trending in the right direction. Of course, if they regress and limp to 4th or 5th in the league you will have to question Arteta’s future.

 

[Mamoon]

Emery has done seriously well. He's hit the ground running. That's what you need. He failed last time because of the language barrier as players couldn't understand him but I think he's learnt from that and is now at the peak of his powers. He's already schooled Arteta in the Europa League.

Emery is one of those managers whose thrives in mid table sides. Not every manager has the personality and the mentality to manage a big club with expectations.

He failed badly at PSG and Arsenal. You have to be extraordinarily incompetent to bottle the French league with PSG even if you are competing with a Monaco team that has Mbappe, Bernardo and Fabinho.

He schooled Arteta in Europa just like he schooled Klopp with Sevilla. That is his comfort zone, that is his domain. He doesn’t have the level to dominate league football with a big club.

 

[Mamoon]

Lets see what Arteta can do with squad depth, assuming we do spend £200m this summer. If he can't win the PL or UCL next season then he needs to go.

From what I've seen of him, I'm not convinced he knows how to rotate players. A good case in point is Saka. He's been run to the ground.

Squad depth?

Werent tavares, lakonga, tomiyassu, Vieira, kiwor, nketitah (new contract), Jorginho suppose to be squad depth

With xhaka leaving, Tierney likely to go the squad depth is going to get worse. The club will waste more money fixing areas of team (LB, RB etc ...) because of Artetas amateurish decisions and poor squad management.

Our defence has conceded 40 plus goals and are 2nd in league, 200M spent by Arteta on defenders since he took over.

You need to understand that squad depth isn’t just numbers. It’s about having players who the right profile.

Arsenal already have depth in terms of numbers but the problem is that if 1-2 first team players are unavailable, the entire system breaks down because the backup players cannot function in the system.

For example, if Zinchenko is unavailable, Tierney cannot fill his boots not because he is a bad player but because he is a very different player.

You replace Tierney with Zinchenko and it disrupts the whole team and how they play.

When Holding replaced Saliba, Arsenal suffered not just because Holding is a bad defender but because Arsenal had to change the way they play.

Arteta knows he needs to rotate but he cannot because it breaks down the system. This summer, he needs to find backup players who fit into the system.

This means a full-back who can pass the ball. The interest in Cancelo is genuine and he would be a starting RB, but if Zinchenko is unavailable, he can easily play LB and it won’t impact the team.

Holding also needs to be replaced with a ball playing CB in Saliba’s mould.

He also needs a left footed wide player who can provide cover to Saka.

I watched City against Chelsea yesterday and their reserve players played almost exactly like the first team with an obvious and expected drop in quality. This is what Arsenal need to do as well.

 

[Mamoon]

This might shock some of the Arteta loyalists but this is not an effort to be proud of even in the slightest because the harsh reality is Pep actually went easy on us. Earlier in the season, he was benching 2 of his best players in KDB and Gundorgan because he was doing his experiments. He could afford to do this because deep down he knew he was going to win the PL before the season had began. After losing some points, he stopped all the experimenting and brought Gundorgen and KDB back to the fold to do what they do best.

City could've easily managed 100 points. Pep has done it before but this team of his is even better and they will win the treble.

This comes as a shock not because there is an element of truth to what you said but because I’m sorry to see such an illogical post from a logical poster like yourself.

Pep did not go easy on Arsenal. No one goes easy on anyone. Pep is an extremely competitive manager who hates losing and his hunger to win is always there no matter how much he wins. His obsession and passion for football and winning trophies are second to none.

City struggled for the first half of the season because he was unable to figure out the best system after signing Haaland. He didn’t know his best team.

City had predominantly played without a number 9 last season and suddenly they had a big guy upfront who doesn’t get heavily involved in the build up.

He experimented not because he wanted to but because he had to. He tried different combinations and once he found the right one (benching Foden etc.), they went up a notch and Arsenal couldn’t keep up with the pace and obviously Arsenal’s problems compounded when their players burned out due to lack of rotation thanks to the squad limitations.

There are two things that Pep does better than anyone else and Arteta needs to learn this from him.

1. He is not afraid of benching or selling anyone. He got rid of Ronaldinho immediately, he benched Henry for a youth player like Pedro and replaced Yaya with Busquets even though Yaya was one of the top midfielders in the world at the time and Busquets was a rookie.

He converted Messi into a false 9 when everyone thought he was too small and weak to play in the middle. He benched prime Zlatan. He got rid of a City cult hero like Joe Hart immediately. He binned his replacement Bravo after one season without giving him a chance to redeem himself.

He immediately chucked Cancelo out of the team this season when things didn’t work out anymore. He dropped Foden from the playing XI who is City’s golden child.

2. He is not afraid of playing players in positions other managers won’t even think about. He sees football very differently. Playing Messi in the middle, playing without a striker, playing Bernardo as a full back, playing Stones in midfield etc. He also has the charisma and the personality to make sure the players respect his decisions as well.

For me Arteta’s biggest mistake this season was thrusting Holding into the team when it was obvious that he didn’t fit the system. He could have made an out of the box decision - he could have experimented with Partey in defense, played White as RCB and tried Nelson as a RWB etc.

He needs to be more tactically flexible and I’m sure he will learn with experience.

 

[shaz619]

Arsenal have a habit of choking, the issue runs deep, don’t know if that’s Arteta’s fault. But they would be silly to fire him after and 2nd place finish in the toughest league in the world