Is it high time to sack Mikel Arteta?

[KingKhanWC]

Just more PR nonsense from Arteta, everytime Liverpool have dropped points, Arsenal have then followed it up by not taking advantage, or have dropped points with the next few games themselves.

Every season Arteta poor squad management is exposed, espcially when rotation has to happen or a few injuries. Arsenal ain't winning any major trophies under this guy.

Most of all the kronkes will keep this loser in charge as long as he gets top 4 like wenger did.

Most fans have either final seen reality or in the case of two Arteta fans boys, they have run of like cowards into hiding

Tbh I'm starting to think this bloke is actually deluded. Before the season he stated he needs and believes 100pts are needed and possible. Now sure the title hasn't been won by anyone with 30+ points to play for but use such language again expecting something near impossible with the players he has . Other managers would go opposite and take all pressure off, see what transpires but mikel thinks hes won 6 titles in 5 years and has the great Barcelona team of 2010 in his dressing room.

hes taking arsenal down the utd route

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Over my dead body - we won't give up title says Arteta

Arsenal will not stop fighting for the Premier League title despite slipping 11 points behind leaders Liverpool, says Gunners boss Mikel Arteta.

The Spaniard admitted that Saturday's 1-0 defeat by West Ham was a "tough one to take" but any thoughts of giving up the chase would be "over my dead body".

"Mathematically it is possible." he added.

"Three days ago we could close a gap and you are like 'you are one-and-a-half games away'.

"The difficulty is higher than three days ago but if you are going to win the Premier League you have to do something special.

"If you are going to win the Premier League with the circumstances we have you will probably have to do something that nobody else has done in the history of the Premier League."

BBC

Just imagine Salah passing over his dead body

@KingKhanWC @Amjid Javed

 

[Amjid Javed]

Just imagine Salah passing over his dead body

@KingKhanWC @Amjid Javed

Arteta will get to give Liverpool a guard of honour when Arsenal visit Liverpool at Anfield near the end of season. That should be another slap of reality to Arteta and his failures

 

[FearlessRoar]

Ruben Amorim admits he won’t be given as much time to succeed as Mikel Arteta​

Ruben Amorim believes he will not get as much time as Mikel Arteta did at Arsenal in his attempts to transform Manchester United’s fortunes.

The Spaniard has been in charge at the Emirates Stadium for more than five years and has only won one major trophy, the 2020 FA Cup.

But he is on course for a third consecutive second-place finish in the Premier League and to take Arsenal to the Champions League quarter-finals for a second year in a row.

By contrast, Amorim’s United are languishing in 14th place in the Premier League ahead of Sunday’s meeting with the Gunners and the Portuguese, who only has a two-and-a-half year contract, believes he needs success quicker.

“I will not have the time Arteta had,” he said, before going on to reference the way the Arsenal manager moved on from Mesut Ozil and Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang. “I feel that. It’s a different club. So we just need to survive with the players on Sunday and we are doing these games.

“I think it’s a different club. I think in that aspect the way Arteta dealt with that is an inspiration for everybody but I will not have the time like Arteta had.”

Amorim is waiting to see if Harry Maguire and Manuel Ugarte, who missed Thursday’s 1-1 draw with Real Sociedad, are fit to return at Old Trafford on Sunday.

And he is considering giving Chido Obi, who was ineligible for the Europa League tie, a first start for United against his old club.

He added: “If they are training, if they play today, they can be ready and Chido is on the list so he can play.”

Amorim is not expecting any of the rest of United’s injured contingent to return this weekend but is holding out hopes that Amad Diallo could play again later in the campaign, though there is no chance Lisandro Martinez will.

“I think it’s just Amad and Lisandro but even Amad we will see in the last month,” he said. “I don’t want to say anything but I have the hope to have Amad before the end of the season.”

United supporters are planning protests against the co-owners, the Glazer family, and Amorim believes they are entitled to voice their opinions.

He explained: “People have the right to protest. I think it's a good thing to do that. It's part of our club. Everybody has a voice. But our job and my job is just to improve the team and give them something in this moment because they deserve it and they are amazing.”

Ruben Amorim admits he won’t be given as much time to succeed as Mikel Arteta

Arteta has won only one major trophy in more than five years as Arsenal boss but Amorim doesn’t expect to get that leeway at Manchester United

www.independent.co.uk

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Arteta will get to give Liverpool a guard of honour when Arsenal visit Liverpool at Anfield near the end of season. That should be another slap of reality to Arteta and his failures

11th may still too far, Arteta wants to end it early

 

[Amjid Javed]

11th may still too far, Arteta wants to end it early

Either way it's embarrassing.

The fact Artetas cheif cheerleader has gone AWOL since end of January is hilarious.

Only fans who have zero ambition will keep backing this failed manager.

The board don't have ambition, so won't sack him.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

UEFA Champions league, the last hope for Arteta this season....would be embarrassing to end up with no trophy...While a struggling MU almost in the final.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

UEFA Champions league, the last hope for Arteta this season....would be embarrassing to end up with no trophy...While a struggling MU almost in the final.

Come on bro. Let me stir the remainder of the Pot

If we win the Europa, then that's 3 trophies in last 3 years

Surely Gooners will have to admit their symptoms of Bottlejobs are terminal

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Come on bro. Let me stir the remainder of the Pot

If we win the Europa, then that's 3 trophies in last 3 years

Surely Gooners will have to admit their symptoms of Bottlejobs are terminal

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[Amjid Javed]

Clueless management once again tonight, when set pieces don't work and when saka isn't firing. Their is no plan B.

Usual clueless like for like subs from the manager.

Time to move on, Arsenal are not winning anything under this manager

Plenty of better managers out their for this club

 

[KingKhanWC]

Long throw ins everytime is strange, not enough pace to head in goal so relying on ball bounce after ariel dual .

Hes Learning on the job , one day will become a successful manager but arsenal need silverware now , hes had a long effort . Next season is a must and his last imo if he doesn't deliver

 

[Amjid Javed]

As expected keown, Wilshire are making excuses on TV, what the hell is their to bd proud off, celebrating failure and calling it progress.

This club will never change.

 

[Amjid Javed]

So according to Arteta fanboy chairmen back in December 2023 - Arsenal were going to win 2 PL titles in next 4 years

2 years later and it's another 2 trophyless seasons

Seems certain people will never learn

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

Where is mamoon? Hope he's doing fine

 

[Amjid Javed]

Where is mamoon? Hope he's doing fine

He's back now, after hiding like a coward for 4 months. I though Topspin was going to break record for longest period of hiding, but mamoon has taken that award.

Proper fans who believe in what they preach or say, don't run off like cowards.

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

Even I thought Arteta was going to win some title. Pretty disappointed

 

[Amjid Javed]

Even I thought Arteta was going to win some title. Pretty disappointed

You need to start having a sense of reality, rather then something that simply won't happen

 

[The Bald Eagle]

The GOAT Arteta....

 

[Amjid Javed]

The GOAT Arteta....
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The GOAT of failure

But still you will see his supporters making up execuses

 

[Rana]

Feels like he’s hit his ceiling for now. Too long we have been 2nd best at most

Who would you get though to take you to the next level? Champions league contender and PL winner? Who’s the guy?

 

[Mamoon]

I can see him lifting the Premier League next season if Berta does his job. Edu messed up big time last summer.

Arteta is the reason why Arsenal fans are disappointed over finishing second. The same set of fans who celebrated fourth like a trophy for years.

Arteta has raised the bar and redefined the expectations of the club. Since 2006, Arsenal had forgotten what it took to compete for the title.

If Arsenal spend big in the summer and Arsenal still fall short next season, I would agree that his position should be reviewed. Huge summer and season coming up that will dictate the short & medium-term future of the club.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Arteta personally asked for calafori and Merino, but now it's Edus fault

Funny how certain want to worship the manager like a god, then come up with retarded excuses every season after failure

 

[KingKhanWC]

I can see him lifting the Premier League next season if Berta does his job. Edu messed up big time last summer.

Arteta is the reason why Arsenal fans are disappointed over finishing second. The same set of fans who celebrated fourth like a trophy for years.

Arteta has raised the bar and redefined the expectations of the club. Since 2006, Arsenal had forgotten what it took to compete for the title.

If Arsenal spend big in the summer and Arsenal still fall short next season, I would agree that his position should be reviewed. Huge summer and season coming up that will dictate the short & medium-term future of the club.

There are reports arteta and Berta are arguing over which striker to sign . Gyokeres is wanted by berta but arteta wants Sesko ?

 

[Amjid Javed]

Feels like he’s hit his ceiling for now. Too long we have been 2nd best at most

Who would you get though to take you to the next level? Champions league contender and PL winner? Who’s the guy?

Plenty of good managers out there, you telling me that a manager whose won zero trophies and zero cup finals in 5 seasons can't be changed.

This fan base is scared of change, zero accountability. Most fans happy making excuses and making out their super positive. Rather then demanding better from the club.

 

[Rana]

Plenty of good managers out there, you telling me that a manager whose won zero trophies and zero cup finals in 5 seasons can't be changed.

This fan base is scared of change, zero accountability. Most fans happy making excuses and making out their super positive. Rather then demanding better from the club.

I’m not saying that, but I would like to know which managers are available to take over? Arsenal doesn’t need a complete overhaul in players. They have some missing links that they must get right, and yes a refreshed mindset+ strategy with the new players.

So who would you go for?

 

[Amjid Javed]

I’m not saying that, but I would like to know which managers are available to take over? Arsenal doesn’t need a complete overhaul in players. They have some missing links that they must get right, and yes a refreshed mindset+ strategy with the new players.

So who would you go for?

Inzaghi at inter would be good option, has won serie A before. In his 2nd CL final now.

But you will find people crying about so called negative football, yet at same time people cheering for Arteta dark Arts football.

Simone, Anchelloti, flick, Luis Enrique were all available before.

The fact Arsenal are wasting 15M a year on Artetas wages, the excuse from the fan base that Arsenal can't attract high-quality managers.

Just like player transfers, managers have a price as well.

 

[Amjid Javed]

I’m not saying that, but I would like to know which managers are available to take over? Arsenal doesn’t need a complete overhaul in players. They have some missing links that they must get right, and yes a refreshed mindset+ strategy with the new players.

So who would you go for?

Sorry on your second part, the team needs a midfield and attack up grades. So with Berta and a new manager this team could be taken forward.

By the time kronkes act the long time damage will be done, by which will take a complete overhaul will be needed

 

[Amjid Javed]

There are reports arteta and Berta are arguing over which striker to sign . Gyokeres is wanted by berta but arteta wants Sesko ?

Arteta wants sesko, as he will be happy with a few games here and there. It also means ...havertz doesn't get dropped.

Even stevie wonder can see this mess the manager had created.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Arteta wants sesko, as he will be happy with a few games here and there. It also means havertz doesn't get dropped.

Even stevie wonder can see this mess the manager had created.

Sesko is still developing, if Gyokeres is open to the move it should be sealed asap . Arsenal needs a striker badly, cannot afford to miss out on him.

Its not a good sign if the manager and sporting director dont get on, as many transfers and departures need to be sorted.

 

[Kianig89]

Sacking Arteta will be foolish absolutely foolish, if Arsenal sack Arteta Man U will hire him before he packs his Emirates bag

 

[Amjid Javed]

Sacking Arteta will be foolish absolutely foolish, if Arsenal sack Arteta Man U will hire him before he packs his Emirates bag

No other club would waste 15M a year on Arteta, nor would any big club put up with 5 trophyless seasons in a row either.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Sesko is still developing, if Gyokeres is open to the move it should be sealed asap . Arsenal needs a striker badly, cannot afford to miss out on him.

Its not a good sign if the manager and sporting director dont get on, as many transfers and departures need to be sorted.

DOF job is to get the players in

Manager / head coach job is to coach the players

Kronkes stupidly gave a novice in Arteta to much power and 5 trophyless season is the result.

Sadly most of the weirdos in fan base including 3 posters on this forum

 

[Amjid Javed]

Arteta one minute calls the owners the best, days he has a good squad.

Now he's admitting squad is short. We'll thats his own fault for wasting money on trash players. On top of that he was happy signing new 15M a year contract. So knew the conditions he had to work in.

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Obviously we need players because the squad is really short, and on top of that we are losing four or five players that are going to end contracts, and their loans are finished," he told the press after Sunday's win over Newcastle.

 

[Mamoon]

There are reports arteta and Berta are arguing over which striker to sign . Gyokeres is wanted by berta but arteta wants Sesko ?

Arteta prefers Sesko because he offers more versatility. He prefers CF role but he can also play on the LW and Arteta might be looking at him as a potential replacement for Martinelli. It is understandable that Arteta doesn’t want to kill off Havertz because he adds a lot of value to the team in spite of not being prolific in front of goal.

Berta is very clear that he wants Gyokeres. He has brought the Atletico mindset with him. Atletico has a culture of always investing in a world class striker. They never compromise on that.

He bought Suarez, Costa and Alvarez during his time at Atletico and also brought back Griezmann. If he has his way, Arsenal will always have a star man upfront always.

He will eventually have his way especially because he’s new and Arteta will have to adjust to how he builds the squad. The main issue right now is Gyokeres will prefer United due to Amorim connection and is waiting to see if they make the UCL.

 

[Mamoon]

Arteta personally asked for calafori and Merino, but now it's Edus fault

Funny how certain want to worship the manager like a god, then come up with retarded excuses every season after failure

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Arteta wanted a winger as well but Edu failed to deliver on that front and Arsenal ended up loaning Sterling on deadline day. Also, let’s not forget that injuries played a big role and PGMOL screwed up Arsenal on numerous occasions.

Arsenal did not play their best football for most of the season but let’s not deny the fact that they got unlucky as well.

 

[topspin]

Arteta wanted a winger as well but Edu failed to deliver on that front and Arsenal ended up loaning Sterling on deadline day. Also, let’s not forget that injuries played a big role and PGMOL screwed up Arsenal on numerous occasions.

Arsenal did not play their best football for most of the season but let’s not deny the fact that they got unlucky as well.

He also wanted a CF in Jan but his wishes were not met. I don't know if you've caught up with what was being posted in the Arsenal thread during your absence, but if you did you'll notice the one with worst written posts has changed his tune on Edu so he can intensify his toxic agenda against Arteta.

 

[topspin]

I’m not saying that, but I would like to know which managers are available to take over? Arsenal doesn’t need a complete overhaul in players. They have some missing links that they must get right, and yes a refreshed mindset+ strategy with the new players.

So who would you go for?

An excellent response. I'm not the most pleased with Arteta's performance as Head Coach during this season but it's a big risk sacking him now and replacing him with someone else. His replacement could be someone like Ancelotti, who Mamoon has rightly highlighted his substandard record in winning leagues despite having coached some of the most elite sides in Europe. If he wasn't able to accomplish that, who is to say that someone of his calibre would keep Arsenal in a title race? - let alone win it.

The only manager I would replace Arteta at the moment (out of all those available) is Xabi Alonso. His move to Madrid has yet to be confirmed, however even if he turned down Real Madrid, it is unlikely that Arsenal would be able to convince him to join them.

This is the problem with AJ. In his deluded world, everything is black and white.

 

[Amjid Javed]

He also wanted a CF in Jan but his wishes were not met. I don't know if you've caught up with what was being posted in the Arsenal thread during your absence, but if you did you'll notice the one with worst written posts has changed his tune on Edu so he can intensify his toxic agenda against Arteta.

Also resorting to making things up? I didn't change my tune on Edu.

I simply stated the reason he left was because pretty much his job was made Redundant because Arteta was getting more power on the transfers in last 12-18 months

 

[Amjid Javed]

An excellent response. I'm not the most pleased with Arteta's performance as Head Coach during this season but it's a big risk sacking him now and replacing him with someone else. His replacement could be someone like Ancelotti, who Mamoon has rightly highlighted his substandard record in winning leagues despite having coached some of the most elite sides in Europe. If he wasn't able to accomplish that, who is to say that someone of his calibre would keep Arsenal in a title race? - let alone win it.

The only manager I would replace Arteta at the moment (out of all those available) is Xabi Alonso. His move to Madrid has yet to be confirmed, however even if he turned down Real Madrid, it is unlikely that Arsenal would be able to convince him to join them.

This is the problem with AJ. In his deluded world, everything is black and white.

hilarious calling someone deluded when uve done a full turn on the following.

- Anchelloti is a failure . 2 la liga and 2 CL in last 4 seasons. Is supposedly failure

- 2023 / 24 thread, you names 3 possible replacements and also said Arsenal should consider sacking arteta. Now your saying he's doing a good job

- havertz is a failure, havertz is top 10 striker, havert is a failure

- oddegard is better then maddison, oddegard is a flop, oddegard is world class, oddegard is failure

The last 3 are you flip flip opinions, and all because you want a bit of male attention and acknowledgement.

Your a spinless as they come when it comes to opinions.

 

[Amjid Javed]

More excuses. Arteta personally asked for havertz, Merino, calafori signings in last 2 summer windows

In their primary roles they were signed for in midfield both havertz and Merino have been failures.

On top of that signing an injury prone calafori, whose defensive skills are as poor as Zinchenkos.

Edu recruitment a few years ago was poor so he's to blame for things in the past. Also I can see why slowly Arteta got more say in signings on that baasis. But then it went to the point where Arteta was pretty much having all the say in signings. One extreme to another.

But as usual you will pedal out excuses for Arteta

 

[Amjid Javed]

Arsenal has title in bag 2 seasons ago

Arsenal will win title 1 season ago

Arsenal win win title this season

Arteta will win 2 titles in 4 years (December 2023)

Havertz will win 3 titles before 2030.

This is nonsense a certain Arteta cheerleader comes up with.

But when failure happens, excuses roll.

 

[BouncerGuy]

PLEASE STAY ON TOPIC INSTEAD OF MAKING PERSONAL REMARKS.

 

[Amjid Javed]

- Josh kronke mentioned the self sustaining model again in January.

- Arsenal were more interested in balancing the books in summer, then going that extra step.

Oh but it didn't stop Arteta signing a new 15M contract or calling the owners best he's worked for. Arteta knew full well conditions he was expected to work under, when he signed a new deal.

A week ago he comes out with this nonsense.

Mikel Arteta has said Arsenal started this season aware they were "super short" in squad depth and possessed several players at risk of injury but "couldn't do anything about it."

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Arteta could have not wasted money on signings in merino and calafori which were needed. When your owners are giving you a certain amount of funds you should think about whst your spending it on. Also maybe giving "injury prone" players extended new contracts was plain dumb as well.

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But the usual losers this fan base will keep making excuses. If a employee isn't happy with working conditions, you leave your job.

Arteta knows he getting 15M a year, nor is he getting luxury of any other big club putting up with 5 years of failure.

Then acting like their are no other decent managers out, like the club will no longer exist if manager leaves or is sacked.

Pathetic new breed of fans who think a manager is more, important then so called club they support.

 

[Mamoon]

He also wanted a CF in Jan but his wishes were not met. I don't know if you've caught up with what was being posted in the Arsenal thread during your absence, but if you did you'll notice the one with worst written posts has changed his tune on Edu so he can intensify his toxic agenda against Arteta.

I didn’t read his posts, but I am not surprised to know this. I’m sure he was also crying when Arteta schooled Ancelotti after telling everyone that Arteta cannot compete in Europe and doesn’t have the mentality.

The excuses would be hilarious if Arsenal win the league with Arteta. He will then try to give all the credit to Berta or focus on how other clubs underperformed.

It is very clear that he is not an Arsenal fan. No proper fan would hope that the team loses so that his opinion is vindicated. Even the harshest critics of Arteta celebrate when Arsenal and actively hope that they do, but he is the opposite.

You can clearly tell that he hopes for Arsenal to lose so that he is proved right. He disappears when Arsenal are winning and will barely make a comment. It hurts him a lot and such “fans” don’t deserve to be counted amongst the supporters

 

[Amjid Javed]

So someone doesn't read my post, yet replies to my comments



So someone who doesn't read my posts, but then replies, including one of my quotes below. Lying exposes again as usual

 

[Amjid Javed]

But but Arteta will win 2 PL titles in next 4 years.

2 years later from Dec 2023, zero titles

But but your not a real Arsenal fan

Lets exposes the liars

 

[Amjid Javed]

Then this season dissapearing this season in January and coming back in May.

But but I'm a proper fan. Your a fake fan

 

[KingKhanWC]

But but Arteta will win 2 PL titles in next 4 years.

2 years later from Dec 2023, zero titles

But but your not a real Arsenal fan

Lets exposes the liars

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@Mamoon

You have yet to apologise.

Areta believes injuries and red cards are the reason for failure this season. Some arsenal fans are saying they will walk the league next season.

Do you have a prediction?

I think it will be even tougher next season for arsenal and while arteta is still learning on the job , he may struggle again.

 

[Amjid Javed]

@Mamoon

You have yet to apologise.

Areta believes injuries and red cards are the reason for failure this season. Some arsenal fans are saying they will walk the league next season.

Do you have a prediction?

I think it will be even tougher next season for arsenal and while arteta is still learning on the job , he may struggle again.

cowards don't apologise, they just make excuses.

In any other area of life, if people aren't happy with something they ask for change or make changes.

Example - if you have kids and your not happy with school or teachers they have, you send your kids to a different school.

If you don't like eating food in a certain restaurant, you go else where.

Yet when fans demand a change of manager in a team, your a fake fan.

Sadly certain posters would rather make excuses for failure.

- the hype up the manager to a high level, yet when they end it trophyless. They say that their is no one better.

These same losers. Called klopp a failure for 1 PL title in 9 years, yet will be same fans with their pants down for manager who in 5.5 seasons hasn't won a PL title.

This is just a face saving exercise now for these clueless zero ball knowledge merchants

 

[KingKhanWC]

cowards don't apologise, they just make excuses.

In any other area of life, if people aren't happy with something they ask for change or make changes.

Example - if you have kids and your not happy with school or teachers they have, you send your kids to a different school.

If you don't like eating food in a certain restaurant, you go else where.

Yet when fans demand a change of manager in a team, your a fake fan.

Sadly certain posters would rather make excuses for failure.

- the hype up the manager to a high level, yet when they end it trophyless. They say that their is no one better.

These same losers. Called klopp a failure for 1 PL title in 9 years, yet will be same fans with their pants down for manager who in 5.5 seasons hasn't won a PL title.

This is just a face saving exercise now for these clueless zero ball knowledge merchants

I think most arteta fans would take klopps success right now after lack of trophies.

Perhaps some fans are concerned a new manager may take the club in a different direction, style of play etc but arsenal have spent a lot so have a very good base . Just need to get them over the line with a trophy or two . Inzagi I think could do this , hes now proven to win in a big league and may win the big double this year . Even the likes of Merson are now saying if hes not in the race at xmas he could be fired ?

 

[Amjid Javed]

I think most arteta fans would take klopps success right now after lack of trophies.

Perhaps some fans are concerned a new manager may take the club in a different direction, style of play etc but arsenal have spent a lot so have a very good base . Just need to get them over the line with a trophy or two . Inzagi I think could do this , hes now proven to win in a big league and may win the big double this year . Even the likes of Merson are now saying if hes not in the race at xmas he could be fired ?

These losers would rather keep failing with same manager, make excuses and have their weird teenage like crushes on manager then try and move on with someone else.

Pretty much they act as though the club would fold and stop existing if Arteta left.

Arteta won't get fired, unless he stops making CL spots. That's all these owners care for

 

[Amjid Javed]

@KingKhanWC - most Arsenal fans on this forum and across fan base don't have any standards, or appetite to demand success.

After every game Arsenal wins, they expect eid like celebrations and Arteta has to praised like he's God or the greatest manager in clubs history. Get the vaseline out for Arteta.

Oh we beat Real Madrid

Oh we didn't lose at eithad or Anfield

Oh we didn't lose a top 6 game.

Because Arsenal have gone trophyless and 5 years without a cup final.

This is what most of these begraits in fan base want credit for.

Wins in PL, CL etc.. which have ultimately lead to nothing.

Then when it comes to failure

It's owners fault
It's edus fault
It's injuries fault
Slot fluked it
Other teams were lucky and in right place at right time
PGMOL hate Arsenal
PSG fluked it as the keeper made some saves

Barca have been poor in CL for 10 years since winning it in 2015, their fans were fuming when they lost CL semi to inter

Yet Arsenal fans were celebrating the semi final like they had won the trophy.

Real Madrid fans are fuming at their failure in CL and PL this season

Man city fans are fuming at their failed season.

But you have mamoon, topspin, immy69 and loads of others wanting acknowledge that Arteta has won some games this season

The difference in mindset between a big club and retards happy with just competing is there for all to see.

 

[Amjid Javed]

2023/24 - Arteta / oddegard spouting PR at end of season that Arsenal should be disappointed with finishing 2nd
2024/25 - Arteta ask for patients

That tells you all that you need to know about this club, they don't believe themselves now that they can win stuff. 5.5 years into a so called "project" and the manager is asking for patients

 

[KingKhanWC]

@KingKhanWC - most Arsenal fans on this forum and across fan base don't have any standards, or appetite to demand success.

After every game Arsenal wins, they expect eid like celebrations and Arteta has to praised like he's God or the greatest manager in clubs history. Get the vaseline out for Arteta.

Oh we beat Real Madrid

Oh we didn't lose at eithad or Anfield

Oh we didn't lose a top 6 game.

Because Arsenal have gone trophyless and 5 years without a cup final.

This is what most of these begraits in fan base want credit for.

Wins in PL, CL etc.. which have ultimately lead to nothing.

Then when it comes to failure

It's owners fault
It's edus fault
It's injuries fault
Slot fluked it
Other teams were lucky and in right place at right time
PGMOL hate Arsenal
PSG fluked it as the keeper made some saves

Barca have been poor in CL for 10 years since winning it in 2015, their fans were fuming when they lost CL semi to inter

Yet Arsenal fans were celebrating the semi final like they had won the trophy.

Real Madrid fans are fuming at their failure in CL and PL this season

Man city fans are fuming at their failed season.

But you have mamoon, topspin, immy69 and loads of others wanting acknowledge that Arteta has won some games this season

The difference in mindset between a big club and retards happy with just competing is there for all to see.

A lot of arsenal fans on social media are young, they cant recall the Wenger league wins and have grown up on avg team so regularly winning over a season is sufficient. However those are undermining the size of arsenal, one of the biggest clubs in England and not winning anything after 5 years is unacceptable imo .

If Utd, City , LFC , Chelsea do not win a trophy in 3 years the manager will be gone Same for big clubs in Europe.

the pressure is certainly building, I know you feel top 4 and his job is secure but imo zero trophies again next season will mean he is replaced, if not arsenal are not thinking like a big club

 

[Amjid Javed]

A lot of arsenal fans on social media are young, they cant recall the Wenger league wins and have grown up on avg team so regularly winning over a season is sufficient. However those are undermining the size of arsenal, one of the biggest clubs in England and not winning anything after 5 years is unacceptable imo .

If Utd, City , LFC , Chelsea do not win a trophy in 3 years the manager will be gone Same for big clubs in Europe.

the pressure is certainly building, I know you feel top 4 and his job is secure but imo zero trophies again next season will mean he is replaced, if not arsenal are not thinking like a big club

If Arsenal carry on as they are, it won't be long before Man city pass Arsenal for the most trophies won.

The get out clause for this fan base is always oh look at united, Chelsea, spurs etc..

Reality is at any given point in history the league has always been contested by 2 or maybe 3 teams at a given point. So there has always been scenarios where other big teams haven't done well.

If you look at few years ago it was city. Liverpool, Chelsea fighting it out.

Now it's city, Liverpool, Arsenal

Regardless of what teams were fighting it out, no one remembers or cares bout teams who fell short.

Arsenal don't act like a big club, they more interested in PR, selling merchandise and pathetic gimmics like buying a dog called win, or an arm waving captain. It's actually embarrassing.

Because fans current lemmings aren't use to seeing winning titles because they were in nappies last time Arsenal won the league (in one person's case, they probably still in nappies now)

You have other fans who have never seen team win league because of no TV coverage 20 years ago in places like Peshawar

Or you have fans so old, they cant remember yesterday. Let alone 20 years ago when title was won

So they resort to hyping up competing as a trophy now, as a coping mechanism

 

[The Bald Eagle]

All hail Arteta the GOAT

 

[Amjid Javed]

| Oliver Glasner on where he ranks among Premier League managers after the FA Cup win:

"I've won the same number of trophies in England as Mikel Arteta, so I must be a world-class manager too (laughs)." Exactly

 

[Mamoon]

@Mamoon

You have yet to apologise.

Areta believes injuries and red cards are the reason for failure this season. Some arsenal fans are saying they will walk the league next season.

Do you have a prediction?

I think it will be even tougher next season for arsenal and while arteta is still learning on the job , he may struggle again.

If supporting your club is a crime, arrest me. I have nothing to apologize for.

 

[Mamoon]

| Oliver Glasner on where he ranks among Premier League managers after the FA Cup win:

"I've won the same number of trophies in England as Mikel Arteta, so I must be a world-class manager too (laughs)." Exactly

Makes sense. This is why Bendtner and Cristiano Ronaldo are equal as well, both have won the same number of World Cups.

 

[Mamoon]

If Arsenal carry on as they are, it won't be long before Man city pass Arsenal for the most trophies won.

The get out clause for this fan base is always oh look at united, Chelsea, spurs etc..

Reality is at any given point in history the league has always been contested by 2 or maybe 3 teams at a given point. So there has always been scenarios where other big teams haven't done well.

If you look at few years ago it was city. Liverpool, Chelsea fighting it out.

Now it's city, Liverpool, Arsenal

Regardless of what teams were fighting it out, no one remembers or cares bout teams who fell short.

Arsenal don't act like a big club, they more interested in PR, selling merchandise and pathetic gimmics like buying a dog called win, or an arm waving captain. It's actually embarrassing.

Because fans current lemmings aren't use to seeing winning titles because they were in nappies last time Arsenal won the league (in one person's case, they probably still in nappies now)

You have other fans who have never seen team win league because of no TV coverage 20 years ago in places like Peshawar

Or you have fans so old, they cant remember yesterday. Let alone 20 years ago when title was won

So they resort to hyping up competing as a trophy now, as a coping mechanism

“No TV coverage 20 years ago”
The PL has been broadcasted all over Pakistan since the late 90’s. You sound exactly like a coconut who never stepped foot in Pakistan after his parents left for the Midlands in the 70’s to work in factories. So out of touch with reality and with your homeland. Embarrassing.

 

[KingKhanWC]

If supporting your club is a crime, arrest me. I have nothing to apologize for.

You were quoted not my idea .

btw congratulations on finishing 2nd

 

[Amjid Javed]

Spoken like a true coward, no wonder you ran off in January for 4 months like spinless that you are.

Funny how your back tracking on your claims made in Dec 2023

But but i wont apologies.

Your happy to worship to Arteta like a god, but when you were put on the spot you bottled.

Il keep posting that quote from Dec 2023, so that everyone can see the liar that you are.

 

[Amjid Javed]

You were quoted not my idea .

btw congratulations on finishing 2nd

He doesn't support Arsenal, like a lot of the weirdos in fan base he supports Arteta and thinks the club's called GetonyourkneesforArteta FC

 

[Amjid Javed]

Makes sense. This is why Bendtner and Cristiano Ronaldo are equal as well, both have won the same number of World Cups.

Nice retard anology

 

[Amjid Javed]

 

[Amjid Javed]

We all know you didn't watch PL in the 90s. Your Internet connection magically always disconnects when you suddenly go into hiding.

Also pretty much all Arsenal fans watching the team in the 90s were brought up under GG and wenger football. Certainly wouldn't tolerate the current failure over last 5 years. No Arsenal fan going that far back. Would now celebrate 2nd place or no cup finals in 5 years..

So your lies just being exposed again

 

[Mamoon]

We all know you didn't watch PL in the 90s. Your Internet connection magically always disconnects when you suddenly go into hiding.

Also pretty much all Arsenal fans watching the team in the 90s were brought up under GG and wenger football. Certainly wouldn't tolerate the current failure over last 5 years. No Arsenal fan going that far back. Would now celebrate 2nd place or no cup finals in 5 years..

So your lies just being exposed again

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You are acting if Arsenal went from winning titles under Wenger to the Arteta era.

Everyone remembers the 98-05 period under Wenger, but we also remember the 06-18 rubbish under him where Arsenal had completely forgotten what it took to compete for the PL and celebrated finishing 4th like a trophy and getting absolutely hammered in Europe.

What tolerance are you talking about? If you and others could tolerate that era, you should be happy with where Arsenal are right now and the trajectory it is traveling in.

Arsenal under Arteta in the last 3 years are in a much stronger position than they have been post 2006 and that is something that you don’t have the courage and the honesty to acknowledge.

Arteta has brought Arsenal on the map again. He has made Arsenal believe again, he has made Arsenal relevant again. The same fans who were happy with top 4 are now upset over not winning the league because Arteta has raised the bar.

Yes he has to win the league at some point, I 100% agree with that, and I have faith that he will do it.

 

[Amjid Javed]

More waffling and excuses from Arteta fan , acting like Arsenal were non existent between 06-18.

Arsenal were in failed titled races in 07/08, 09/10. Also got to a CL semi final in 08/09. That was failure and not acceptable.

Yet now people are acting like the last few years are something new and a miracle. 5 years zero trophies, zero cup finals is failure.

Arteta is just another brendon Rogers, poch, Southgate level manager. (Until he wins major titles etc, that level of management he is currently will remain the same.

Also no one tolerated Wengers failures, he should have left a long time before he was eventually was kicked out.

Harping on about Arsenal being in an good position right now?

Based on what? 5.5 years into a so called project this team can't even compete on all fronts.

Every season the club has pretty much done decently in one competition, with the 3 of competition performances being pathetic.

The club had chance last summer to take that extra step and push for title this season. Arteta then personally asked for trash signings in merino and calafori. His blind faith in Jesus and havertz, came back to slap him in the face.

Arsenal weren't even in a title race this season, same fans who mocked ole for not being in title race and finishing 2nd, same fans celebrating 2nd this season.

Arsenal have regressed In the league, whilst teams like villa, Newcastle, Chelsea, forrest, Brighton, Brentford, Bournemouth have all got better. Will any of teams named win title? No - but the huge improvement in all those sides means, teams actually capable of competing for PL title - Liverpool, City, Arsenal will find it harder next season.

Arsenal no they messed up by throwing towel in during January transfer window and now think simply spending is going to elevate them above everyone else.

Reality is Man city, Liverpool, Chelsea, Newcastle etc.. will all spend as well.

Arteta and kronkes arrogance in summer thinking they would win league if city slipped up, slapped them in face. The recruitment was a shambles, that's on all parties involved.

That's poor mindset which will always mean this team will never dominate an era, or win a high volume of trophies over a sustained period.

 

[Mamoon]

More waffling and excuses from Arteta fan , acting like Arsenal were non existent between 06-18.

Arsenal were in failed titled races in 07/08, 09/10. Also got to a CL semi final in 08/09. That was failure and not acceptable.

Yet now people are acting like the last few years are something new and a miracle. 5 years zero trophies, zero cup finals is failure.

Arteta is just another brendon Rogers, poch, Southgate level manager. (Until he wins major titles etc, that level of management he is currently will remain the same.

Also no one tolerated Wengers failures, he should have left a long time before he was eventually was kicked out.

Harping on about Arsenal being in an good position right now?

Based on what? 5.5 years into a so called project this team can't even compete on all fronts.

Every season the club has pretty much done decently in one competition, with the 3 of competition performances being pathetic.

The club had chance last summer to take that extra step and push for title this season. Arteta then personally asked for trash signings in merino and calafori. His blind faith in Jesus and havertz, came back to slap him in the face.

Arsenal weren't even in a title race this season, same fans who mocked ole for not being in title race and finishing 2nd, same fans celebrating 2nd this season.

Arsenal have regressed In the league, whilst teams like villa, Newcastle, Chelsea, forrest, Brighton, Brentford, Bournemouth have all got better. Will any of teams named win title? No - but the huge improvement in all those sides means, teams actually capable of competing for PL title - Liverpool, City, Arsenal will find it harder next season.

Arsenal no they messed up by throwing towel in during January transfer window and now think simply spending is going to elevate them above everyone else.

Reality is Man city, Liverpool, Chelsea, Newcastle etc.. will all spend as well.

Arteta and kronkes arrogance in summer thinking they would win league if city slipped up, slapped them in face. The recruitment was a shambles, that's on all parties involved.

That's poor mindset which will always mean this team will never dominate an era, or win a high volume of trophies over a sustained period.

Between 2006 and 2018, how many times did Arsenal finish top 2 and how many times did they cross 80 points in the league?

Anyone who has watched both eras will agree that the last 3-4 years have been the best period for the club since 2006. Winning FA Cups while not competing for the league means absolutely nothing.

Ten Hag won two domestic cups in two seasons and he still got fired because United weren’t competitive in the league.

Arteta has made Arsenal competitive in the league again. It is a huge step forward for Arsenal. The fans should appreciate the progress instead of completely dismissing it because he has not won the league yet.

Yes, if he goes without winning the league you can compare him to Rogers and Pochettino but for now, his trajectory is very similar to Klopp at Liverpool and he is one title away from matching his Liverpool legacy.

 

[BouncerGuy]

PLEASE STAY ON TOPIC AND NO PERSONAL REMARKS

 

[Amjid Javed]

No one cares about points totals or 2nd place finishes. Only fans that seem to bring it up are fans who want to make excuses for failure.

Spurs fans used these excuses under Poch, who was a failure

Liverpool fans used these excuses under klopp, whose return of 1 PL title in 9 years was poor. Liverpool should have won 3 PL titles whilst klopp was there.

Now Arteta fans and Arteta himself using same points and 2nd place excuses as well.

Points totals are all relative to the the competition of the teams in a given era. Also squad sizes, number of subs etc.. play a part. Teams now have bigger squads to pick, can use more subs etc..

No one looks back in history and says oh look the points totals, look how many times this team came 2nd. All people are interested in are who wins trophies

Ten haag was rightly sacked, his recruitment was a shambles and he was tactically inept.

As far as Arteta goes he's been in charge for 5.5 years. The bare minimum any manager at a big club after being their for 3 years or more should be a title challenge, but also winning trophies.

People acting like after 5.5 years and 750m spent that 2nd place is a miracle its not.

Season upon season Arsenal have improved. The reality is every seasons Arsenal's target has changed as well

Europa league / domestic cup
Top 4 / europa league
Win PL / CL

Every single time when the this team and manager have gone from "no pressure" to "expecting to win" it's failed

Arteta may go to other teams and actually win stuff one day, as far as Arsenal goes, he's shown he can't handle multiple competitions at same time. He can't manage a squad when he has injuries, doesn't trust his squad.

The amount of excuses people make for Arteta, it's clear thst his fan boys only believe he can win stuff if

- team has no injuries
- team has no suspensions
- Arteta has a squad of 25 players and trusts every single one

Facts and reality is no manager, let alone Arteta is ever going to have that luxury

 

[Amjid Javed]

For the s still trusting this failure of a manager

 

[Amjid Javed]

Fraudeta should have his note pad out taking notes from All managers who have won a trophy this season, including ladies team.

 

[Amjid Javed]

So plenty of clubs ending trophy droughts all across Europe and I'm PL

Whilst Arsenal mens team are 5 years without a trophy or even a final.

You have celebrating

finishing 2nd
"progress in europe"
"we didn't lost at Anfield or eithad"

This sums up the losers in fan base and those backing this manager

 

[topspin]

So plenty of clubs ending trophy droughts all across Europe and I'm PL

Whilst Arsenal mens team are 5 years without a trophy or even a final.

You have celebrating

finishing 2nd
"progress in europe"
"we didn't lost at Anfield or eithad"

This sums up the losers in fan base and those backing this manager

Who do you think had a better season out of Arsenal and Spurs?

 

[Amjid Javed]

Who do you think had a better season out of Arsenal and Spurs?

At start of season Spurs objective was to make the CL and win a trophy.

Remember they finished 5th last season.

Arsenal supposed objective at start was to win the title or CL. Or in the kronkes case make the CL places, so they get money.

When history will look back it will show

Arsenal qualified for CL
Spurs qualified for CL and won a trophy

It's not difficult to see which will be seen as "better" in context of a single season.

Longterm Spurs will remain where they are more than likely, right now they won't care where they finished in league

When Arsenal won FA cup and league Cup double in 92-93 and finished 10th, do you think anyone cared where they finished?

To many people in this fan base have got carried away with draw at eithad, smashed city 5-1, smashed Real Madrid.

This is why when uve watched football for over 37 years like I have, you learn not to get over excited.

You and quite a few others keep wanting me to valid date credit to this manager, for certain results during season, when reality is the overall goal of winning title and trophies haven't been met. I've seen this club win big games in PL and Europe before. Unless it actually leads to something it's otherwise irrelevant.

Both mens and ladies team beat Real in CL, the ladies went and won it. The mens are celebrating "progress"

That's the level of scrapping of the barrel this club is at with the mens team.

Yet I have a so called Agenda against Arteta

My Agenda has been the same, either win trophies, or the manager goes. someone else comes in. If a new manager came in during summer, with current squad and few additions id be wanting manager to win title within 2 seasons

Number of times I've been Asked "will you give credit if Arteta wins trophy"

Answer is the same, yes I will.

Facts and reality are he's won nothing. So there nothing for me to give credit on.

Reality is I've been true on my word.

5 years, no trophies, no finals - its failure, no need for me to give credit. (No lying here, no back tracking). Yet people want to make hypothetical scenarios that I won't give credit.

Again reality Arteta has won fk all.

I want whats best for Arsenal, sadly most others have built a culture now that this manager is bigger than the club.

Once again in transfer window looks like the club is looking at project players like sesko than actually being serious about winning trophies.