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You can sack Arteta if you want but i don't think it makes much difference to the outcome.
The line up today was the definition of mediocrity. Ultimately no coach is getting this team CL football this year.
Arsenal need to focus on transfers more than they do anything else. Arteta's job is just an unwelcome distraction right now.
Yes. I believe he is going to be an absolutely brilliant manager. If the Arsenal board give proper backing, I see him making Arsenal a major force again. I am very glad that they didn’t settle for a washed up, past it manager like Ancelotti.
Experience is overrated. If you are good enough, you are good enough. If not, you can manage a 1,000 matches and you will still struggle.
The king of ‘that didn’t age well’ comments
Arteta is like Imran Khan, terrible leader, silly comments in the press, clueless in the job and tearing the fabric of there organisations apart, yet they still have some fans that will defend them to death.
Lets not get started on there personal recruitments.
We bought Sancho, Varane and Ronaldo and probably will get Saul, yet we still spent less then Arsenal.)
Blaming the board to defend a manager is out of fashion now, Arteta has been given enough investments
Yes that’s a factually correct statement if you are a clueless kid and do not realize that transfer fee is just a fraction of the total cost of a transfer.
When you look at the wages and the other costs of the signings that United have made this summer, Arsenal have absolutely no chance of replicating that.
Artetas clueless fans go on like he has no money to spend till you point out his spending, then they try and move the conversation else where. He outspent everyone this summer.
As for wages and other costs, players like sancho and ronaldo make those back for the club through merchandise and other sales, those players are brands and any clubs could replicate that by taking those brand players.
Arsenal have simply reverted to norm. A look at the club's postwar history shows a good couple of years under Bertie Mee in the early 1970s and a successful spell under George Graham between 1988-1993. Then obviously the golden era in the late 1990s/early 2000s under Arsene Wenger.
Sandwiched in between are long periods of mediocrity. I can understand the sense of entitlement if you grew up in the Henry-Pires-Bergkamp years but that era was an anomaly.
Chelsea fluked the win today. Arsenal deserves all 3 points.
Arteta is definitely a top manager in the making. He will definitely make Arsenal a force again.
It was always obvious that Arteta is a top manager. He is in the same class as Pep and Klopp (Lampard belongs in that group as well) and will make Arsenal a proper force provided he gets the funds and the control in the market.
Today’s result was a fluke because City would beat this Arsenal side 9/10 times, but you can see the impact Arteta has had in terms of defensive organization and keeping the ball.
The effects of Emery’s chaotic mess are being slowly overcome and you can see that the players have been set up with a purpose.
You can’t draw such parallels with the past because the context is different.
The formation of the PL led to a commercial boom in English football from mid 90’s onwards and Arsenal, along with Man United, was at the forefront of that boom.
There was no reason for Arsenal to revert back to long periods of mediocrity in spite of Chelsea and City changing the dynamics in the 2000s.
Arsenal has been in slow decline since 2006, but even six years back, Arsenal finished ahead City, United, Chelsea and Liverpool in the league.
The real disaster started from 2016 onwards. The transfer policy of the club has been ridiculous.
Arsenal have spent over £500m (gross) over the past 5 years but the squad has only declined.
A smart transfer strategy like Liverpool post Coutinho would have put Arsenal in a far better shape than it is today.
I wonder when our Pep and Klopp will manage to dig us out of the hole we find ourselves in?
When the board can actually deliver the players that he demands.
Edu & the Indian guy couldn’t even wrap up the Aouar deal in three windows even though no other team showed proper interest in him.
On the other hand, it took Man United two hours to conclude the Ronaldo deal.
Patrick Viera beat him tactically today but Arteta got lucky with a late late equaliser.
Good point for Arsenal.
Arteta may have got lucky but this just prolongs our agony!!!
Viera would be a masssive upgrade on Arteta.
He has absolutely no excuses. Everyone was fit and no mid week games...
Players he brought in. Yet no passion and urgency (until Lacassette came on), no pattern to the play.
We're literally all over the place... what was the game plan?
Arteta may have got lucky but this just prolongs our agony!!!
Viera would be a masssive upgrade on Arteta.
He has absolutely no excuses. Everyone was fit and no mid week games...
Players he brought in. Yet no passion and urgency (until Lacassette came on), no pattern to the play.
We're literally all over the place... what was the game plan?
Viera has always had a great footballing brain. He wasnt the quickest on the field but because he was so smart, he would be other mids to the ball. ATG PL player and imo has the potential to be great manager too.
From what I can remember, Arsenal weren't interested in him as manager a few years ago. I think they would take him in a heartbeat now.
Arteta and Ole have enough good players to keep them ticking meaning a long hard tough life for the fans for a few more months.
What's Viera actually done ?. He needs this stint at Palace to work
The owners with Ashley gone are the most toxic in the leagueYou don't spend £150m in the summer to bring in the likes of Viera though.
There's only one way to get out of the hole now - double down on your spending and bring in a proven manager.
Just 3 of the players that started in that Man City 5-0 loss also started in today's 2-0 win away to Leicester. It's almost as if a manager should be judged when all his preferred players/signings are actually fit and available!
For context, Arsenal's two draws in this run were against Brighton (who today drew at Anfield) and Crystal Palace (who today won 2-0 away at Man City).
We also have the youngest starting XI in the entire league. With the addition of Lacazette into the team recently, that makes just 3 players above the age of 24 in the starting XI. So the players and manager will only get better.
Early days still but perhaps Arteta isn't taking Arsenal into the Championship as many have suggested![]()
He's certainly bought more time, until the end of this season.
You're being bit harsh. He deserves a lot of credit for turning it around. The losses in the first 3 x games isn't a fair reflection on Arteta because our line-ups in each of those games were heavily under strength, at best it was half of our full strength team.
Wins against Spurs and away to Leicester shows me that there are early signs of progress for Arteta's Arsenal side this season.
Anyone who thinks we should be fighting for top 4 is clueless. Chelsea, Liverpool and the 2 x Manchester clubs have much stronger sides.
This season is a straight 5th place battle between us and Spurs. I reckon we'll pip them to it as well.
We will then need another big summer transfer window to compete for top 4. It's a big transition and rebuilding phase for Arsenal. Arteta is a great fit for this long-term project and I have a great feeling we have found someone who has a great chance to deliver the revival of this great club.
Yes I think I am being a tad harsh on Arteta and yes I do agree with you in that we are now in the midst of a re-building programme. Finishing 5th would match most fans expectations.
The reason for being harsh is that yes we have beaten a poor spuds and just took three points from an inform Liecester but the second half against Leicester was poor and I would hate to think how many goals Man City or Liverpool would have scored against us in that second half, irrespective of Ramsdales' heroics.
I give credit to Arteta for sticking with the young guns and not being afraid to drop our 72M Pepe from the starting eleven. In this respect he has shown faith and courage so lets see how this season progresses.
In past transfer windows we've actually done ok in the January window, I think one or two astute purchases in January may set us up nicely for the second half of the season.
Where is the Arteta Out brigade now?
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Do you think Arteta will get Arsenal relegated?
How confident are you of us getting 4th place?
I still think it'll be tough when you consider our games in hand are against Liverpool (home), Spurs and Chelsea (both away).
But Arteta is giving me more confidence.
Mikel Arteta apologises for 'unacceptable' Arsenal performance in 3-0 defeat to Crystal Palace
Arteta criticised his team's performance, admitting they did not compete physically with Palace.
He told Sky Sports: "Congratulations to Palace for the game they played but we made it impossible for ourselves with the way we competed.
"You have to be physical and run and then you earn the right to play. We were really inconsistent on the ball and that is unacceptable.
"We were poor, especially in the first half. I apologise to our supporters. We didn't have the presence today or the composure to dominate the situation so that is what I'm most annoyed with. Some days you are not there and you are late all the time. They got on top of it and had a good atmosphere and we could not get out.
"When we had the big chances we didn't score to give ourselves the best chance to get back in the game. First of all we need to put our hands up and get the criticism we deserve. Then we accept it, look ourselves in the mirror and look to the next game. This was not good enough.
"We have to face the challenge and the opportunity is in our hands. We have to be honest with ourselves and support each other.
"From the beginning we were not at the races. When you come here you have to compete, you have to win duels and second balls and be aggressive and we were none of those and on top of that we were really poor on the ball.
"We tried in the second half, we had three or four big chances but the only half chance they had they got a penalty.
"It is time to accept the criticism, put your hand up and apologise because this performance was not good enough for this club, and then react. When everything goes well everyone wants to be there and be supportive."
Arteta was asked if perhaps one of the reasons for the defeat was the pressure being applied to them by Tottenham in the top-four race.
He replied: "No, the pressure has been there the last seven or eight weeks. Today we didn't perform it's as simple as that. We were second best in every department it's as simple as that. We have a game in hand still. In the nine games a lot will happen. We have to focus on ourselves."
https://www.skysports.com/football/...l-performance-in-3-0-defeat-to-crystal-palace
The contact extension is well-deserved. By 2025, Arsenal under Arteta will be a proper force in England and European football.
He is doing at Arsenal what Klopp did at Liverpool. He is building a proper team and the signs are there for those who can see.
When Klopp took over in October 2015, he took Liverpool to an 8th place finish. The next two seasons, he scraped to 4th before his team took off in 2018-19.
It took a solid foundation (which Arteta is building) and 2-3 big signings that will take the team to the next level (Salah, Alisson, Van Dijk etc.) which will happen for Arsenal.
Best young manager in the world. Arsenal are incredibly lucky to have him.
Those Arsenal fans who want him sacked have gone absolute bonkers. You have to be blind as a bat to not see the belief and steel that he has added to the team.
Back to back wins against Chelsea and Man United with fourth place on the line, no margin for error and three consecutive defeats on the back shows the character that he has instilled in the team, something that Wenger failed to do in his last 10 years and Emery never managed.
The fact that Arsenal are seriously pushing for a top 4 after the start that they had shows how brilliant the recovery has been.
He has been very good in the market as well - he has brought some proper characters with balls (Ramsdale, White etc.) the type of players that Arsenal have lacked for years and years, and he also knows the right time to move on from someone.
Looking forward to an excellent summer window - I am convinced that 12 months from now, Arsenal would not be challenging for the title (unless Man City/Liverpool collapse) but would have closed the gap somewhat.