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Ashes 4th Test | Aug 6 | England thrash Australia by an innings and 78 runs

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Robert said:
It's not doctored, it's a perfectly normal English wicket. These Australians lack the understanding of how to bat and bowl on it. Put Alderman on this deck and England would be in bother. Or, y'know, Siddle even.
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what would Siddle do?
 
Man Of Steel said:
Such doctored pitches should be completely banned in international cricket, this shift the advantage completely in hosts favor, this is a farce.
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I guess the 13/14 series was a farce as well? Those doctored bouncy wickets. How dare they prepare a typical Aussie wicket.
 
Sam1 said:
I guess the 13/14 series was a farce as well? Those doctored bouncy wickets. How dare they prepare a typical Aussie wicket.
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You're talking to a poster who thinks the Moon was built by aliens
 
Man Of Steel said:
I'm not in favor of doctored pitches, its happening all over the world and it has become boring watching all these one sided encounters, this same English side will be thrashed 5-0 come the next Ashes in Australia.
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Could you please use your vast scientific knowledge and impressive collection of sources to explain to us why the extra 3mm of grass is such a disgrace?
 
Man Of Steel said:
I wish England gets bundled out before 150 and then Australia score around 500 in second innings.
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If its such a doctored bowling friendly pitch and Australia are so superior shouldn't we nearly be all out by now?
 
See, good length just outside off gets the wicket. Put it in the right areas and put doubt in the batsman's mind.
 
That and bowling it at a scorching 95mph. It was a real effort ball :akthar
 
Man Of Steel said:
We know that already :|
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Maybe you should inform your much vaunted Aussie pace attack of this then?

Also, are we going to get that explanation as to what effect the extra 3mm of grass has which makes this pitch such a disgrace?
 
Bell has done a Hafeez/Watson here.....

Was umpire's call at the end, but it was too full to review.
 
Excluding that double hundred Steve Smith has played very badly.

He is moving to his off, exposing both middle and leg, covering his 4th and 5th stumps and still nicking it to the slips :))
 
Need to get them out under 180-200 to have any remote possibility of comeback.
 
Sam1 said:
Please tell me that wasn't serious...
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It's hard to know with MoS. Sometimes he makes crackpot comments, but in doing so he could be mounting a subtle troll attack.
 
Just as I write Starckers off he get two top-order wickets!
 
Cannot understand the Aussie thinking. They retain vogues who has done jack so far but drop Mitchell marsh. Will be very surprised to see heads not rolling after this series.

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Man Of Steel said:
It has changed the entire complexion of the game, tbh all cricket playing nations must be stripped off home advantage BS if we're going to see some competitive cricket between teams, its getting boring with hosts completely dominating the series everywhere in the world. ICC should step in and prepare neutral pitches in order to have a fair contest between bat and ball.
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Not what I asked.

Exactly how does 3mm of grass make such a difference from last year's pitch?
 
Man Of Steel said:
It has changed the entire complexion of the game, tbh all cricket playing nations must be stripped off home advantage BS if we're going to see some competitive cricket between teams, its getting boring with hosts completely dominating the series everywhere in the world. ICC should step in and prepare neutral pitches in order to have a fair contest between bat and ball.
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I hope today Broad wickets were not fluke roora.
 
Man Of Steel said:
Its not just the extra grass which has made a substantial difference in proceedings but the overcast conditions in Australian innings, the pitch had much juice as compared to last year's flat road which would have given UAE phatta a run for money.
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So England control the weather conditions?

Interesting hypothesis.

I'm gonna need to see some evidence for this too.
 
Amjid Javed said:
If at end of the series england win 3-1 or 4-1 it will look strange after the 1st two tests where series was 1-1 and looked competative.
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Lol we were leading 1-0 in first three test matches in england as well when we toured last time there
 
Eng 95/2 and slowly building a lead here... Aussies dont seem to be able to build up any sustained pressure here with the ball.
 
akki said:
Lol we were leading 1-0 in first three test matches in england as well when we toured last time there
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India were very competitive in the 1st 3 Tests last year. Then in the final 2 Tests, we were blown away like minnows. Nobody showed any passion or interest. They were ready to go home.
 
Dreadful shot from Cook to that one. Wasn't like Bells where he just couldn't get his bat down, he just didn't get it on the right place!
 
Can't tell without watching, how Aussies are bowling? Too fast - resulting too short or full? drifting on legs?

I think, next morning is extremely critical - unless AUS cleans the bottom half quickly, ENG is likely to bat once.
 
[MENTION=139269]Man Of Steel[/MENTION] [MENTION=865]Big Mac[/MENTION]

This not a vocabulary class my friends so Stick to the topic.
 
Aussies are have atleast one end to bowl out with a list of batsmen who havent go to many test runs in recent times in bairstow, stokes, and buttler so they would need to cause some sort of super collapse here.
 
MJ needs to man up and support Starc here. His bowling looks very ordinary. Not one good ball so far.
 
The walking wicket survives until the afternoon session.
 
Hazlewood has been a bit disappointing.

Thought he would utilize the conditions better. The current Australian lot don't bowl well enough with duke to match English bowlers along with ineptitude of their batsman.
 
Starc proving his doubters wrong again, he's a devastating bowler and Australia has to back him, especially with Haris gone and Johnson on his last legs.

Pure strike bowler, let him go all out and don't inhibit his confidence by asking him to keep things tight at the expense of producing wicket-taking deliveries.

Rope someone else for that task, let Starc be.
 
Mamoon said:
Starc proving his doubters wrong again, he's a devastating bowler and Australia has to back him, especially with Haris gone and Johnson on his last legs.

Pure strike bowler, let him go all out and don't inhibit his confidence by asking him to keep things tight at the expense of producing wicket-taking deliveries.

Rope someone else for that task, let Starc be.
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LOL who the hell is Haris?
 
Mamoon said:
Starc proving his doubters wrong again, he's a devastating bowler and Australia has to back him, especially with Haris gone and Johnson on his last legs.

Pure strike bowler, let him go all out and don't inhibit his confidence by asking him to keep things tight at the expense of producing wicket-taking deliveries.

Rope someone else for that task, let Starc be.
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Probably they would have done so, but that grand total of 60 is too demoralizing even for an Aussie die hard spirit. Also, Clarke can't go for all out - ENG's last 5 wickets have done lots of damage, if they allow scoring quick ams at some stage a lower order pertnership 'll take the lead to beyond reach. I don't think the wicket was justifiable for 10 wickets in 18 overs, that too without Jimmy. Bowlers hardly can go for wickets keeping things tight. Had Josh went for 15 in 10 overs, other 2 could have gone after, but he is a bit disappointing.
 
only 8 of the 120 deliveries bowled in Aussies innings would have hit the stumps. line and length bowling is the key. stop blaming the wicket. further to this what is wrong with hosts doctoring pitches to suite there strengths, isn't that what home advantage is all about?
 
What a shameful performance from AAustralia.Third worst after Pakistan's and Australia massacre against SA.
 
Everybody knows now not to take [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] bhai's pitch reports seriously.
 
Where would Australia be with Siddle here? Starc's got this. [MENTION=132373]Convict[/MENTION] [MENTION=8418]Random Aussie[/MENTION]
 
ChachaCricket said:
Everybody knows now not to take [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] bhai's pitch reports seriously.
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With the new drainage systems I expected dead dry tracks everywhere from now on. I'll accept that the situation is more complex that I thought. It is still possible to make a decent cricket wicket that helps the bowlers as well as batters and we have seen three in the six tests this year so far.
 
Man Of Steel said:
Mark my words: This so called English talented batsman aka Joe Rooooooooooooot will be walking wicket in Australia and elsewhere, he is so hyped by English commies on Sky if he's the reincarnation of Don in English ranks!
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Don't forget the silly hype from Shane Warne and Ricky Ponting as well.. But hey, at least he can play a swinging ball unlike Smith.
 
Junaids said:
I was howled down on the earlier thread for saying that Hazlewood's limitations are being exposed in this series.

And one of them seems to be that he has the cricketing brain of Umar Akmal or Phil Tufnell. He has a lot of ability, but both him and Starc clearly can't work out their own games or assess the state of play. They both need to be told exactly what to do by someone older and smarter than they are.
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Yes, of course. Bowlers are stupid idiots. Only batsmen have brains and can be captaincy material.
 
Man Of Steel said:
Well they are on Sky's payroll, ofcourse they're gonna repeat what's in England's interests otherwise they might lose their jobs, you certainly don't wanna disappoint your employer!
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You know Sky is not the same thing as the ECB don't you?
 
Johnson is quite simply a bouncy track bully. Has done nothing of note for a while. English bowlers have out shined their Australian counter parts who can't complain about the conditions being against them.
 
Man Of Steel said:
Well they are on Sky's payroll, ofcourse they're gonna repeat what's in England's interests otherwise they might lose their jobs, you certainly don't wanna disappoint your employer!
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Oh look, another conspiracy :murali.
 
Man Of Steel said:
Mark my words: This so called English talented batsman aka Joe Rooooooooooooot will be walking wicket in Australia and elsewhere, he is so hyped by English commies on Sky if he's the reincarnation of Don in English ranks!
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Joe Root has plenty of talent, he is much better then any of our current crop at the moment, so the hype is justifiable. stop hating.
 
Better couple of overs from Hazlewood.

Thats what he should have been bowling in his first spell.
 
Think England will just look to accumulate a big a lead they can get instead of declaring early and hoping to blow Australia out of the water again.

For Australia it is pretty much impossible to salvage this match but they can show a sense of pride and effort through a quick dismantling of the English batting and then some gutsy resolve in the third innings, but all this is a lot easier said than done, particularly when you've been shot out for 60 due to reckless batting.
 
Man Of Steel said:
I think you should add "only in England" multiple times in your statement, only then it'll be more appropriate and justified!
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i think my comments are entirely justified.


Venue Mat Inns NO 100s 50s 0s HS Runs Avg S/R Ca St
Home 18 33 5 5 8 1 200* 1661 59.32 53.79 19 0
Away 12 22 3 2 5 1 182* 925 48.68 48.84 8 0
Overall 30 55 8 7 13 2 200* 2586 55.02 51.91 28 0

as for SKY being owned by the british monarch, you are wrong again, it is actually backed by an australian- american, rupert murdoch
 
Aussies first Wicket.Rogers for a duck...A disaster to follow.

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Haroon786 said:
Think England will just look to accumulate a big a lead they can get instead of declaring early and hoping to blow Australia out of the water again.

For Australia it is pretty much impossible to salvage this match but they can show a sense of pride and effort through a quick dismantling of the English batting and then some gutsy resolve in the third innings, but all this is a lot easier said than done, particularly when you've been shot out for 60 due to reckless batting.
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There wont be any pride here. They have lost the Ashes. After such a spineless display, lots of heads will roll. Even the coach will come into the firing line, I suspect there is something wrong with the team atmosphere after the axing of Watson and Haddin.
 
Hard to watch overworked pacers due to lack of 5th bowler :(
 
AlphaFighter said:
There wont be any pride here. They have lost the Ashes. After such a spineless display, lots of heads will roll. Even the coach will come into the firing line, I suspect there is something wrong with the team atmosphere after the axing of Watson and Haddin.
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I didn't get the hoo haa over Haddin being dropped - mediocre player who's well past his sell by date.
 
Man Of Steel said:
I can't tolerate this mediocrity from Aussies, this is pretty below par performance from such high quality side, tbh I didn't expect them to surrender so easily and get blown away so cheaply. This is so frustrating to see an average bowler like Broad picking up 8 wickets, if it was jimmy it would be understandable but Broad... :facepalm:
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I don't rate Broad too highly either - but he's certainly better than average, very good bowler that would be opening the bowling for Pakistan in all formats of the game.
 
The lead is building up to an unmanageable extent. Aus needed to get them out cheaply. Looks like a gg for them :burn:
 
Haroon786 said:
I don't rate Broad too highly either - but he's certainly better than average, very good bowler that would be opening the bowling for Pakistan in all formats of the game.
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Anderson, Broad you give them a cloud and they become the second coming of Hadlee. Very one dimensional bowlers but perhaps the best going around on green tops. It takes skill and intelligence to consistently destroy teams even on such surfaces.
 
Amazing day of cricket followed closely by the usual garbage on PP.

The guy who said Aus should have declared at 21 - 5 takes the cake.


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Neville bowled for 02.Played better than most of this teammates.For a change,Finn takes a Wicket.

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Starc doesn't disappoint the English slip army.Does exactly what they wanted him to do.Broad 6.

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Lyon the last to fell.Guided Australia past 50.

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Broad's destruction of Oz's finally comes to an end.Finishes with 15/8 !!!
 
Haroon786 said:
Think England will just look to accumulate a big a lead they can get instead of declaring early and hoping to blow Australia out of the water again.

For Australia it is pretty much impossible to salvage this match but they can show a sense of pride and effort through a quick dismantling of the English batting and then some gutsy resolve in the third innings, but all this is a lot easier said than done, particularly when you've been shot out for 60 due to reckless batting.
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They haven't batted recklessly. Just badly. They would have scored a lot more if they did bat 'recklessly'. In fact the whole problem is that this whole thing becomes moralistic, so people start demanding they play defensively, whether or not that will help (which it won't).
 
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