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ICC CT 2017 | England [310] beat New Zealand [223] by 87 runs

MMHS said:
How does that help us?

If Poms win today & then Aussies beat them, which we should expect - we'll be sucking fingers on our last match.

If Kiwi's win by tiny margin; one of ENG - AUS is out, & we have a slim chance of beating NZ, but small margin (we lost to ENG in 48th overs) & advance (even better, if they consider head to head).
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I'm saying the same thing ever since the morning. Bangladesh best bet is NZ Winning today and Bangladesh can later defeat them with a better run rate.

If England win today and lose to Australia then Game over for Bangladesh
 
NZ showing us how to chase 300 against a quality attack. They may or may not get there, but they will certainly run it close.
 
IndYeah1 said:
Bangladesh don't deserve to get past the league stage. There's no way they are getting there without rain assistance. NZ and the winner of Eng/Oz should get in.
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No, BD will deserve it, if we can beat NZ. Do your maths & you should know that.

There can be 3 options -

1. ENG winning all 3 matches, which leaves AUS at 2 & BD-NZ match becomes a direct QF shoot-out, winner takes all

2. ENG beats NZ, but loses to AUS - Kiwi's loss, because of the wash out - if they beats us; we are out in any case

3. ENG loses both - Poms out, Aussies in. Winner of BD-NZ qualifies & to do that BD'll need a better NRR, probably a win inside 40 overs or by 50+ margin - fully deserving, if we can do that.

Only way, we won't deserve it, if Poms beat both AUS & NZ by bigger margin than us in terms of NRR & then BD-NZ match gets washed out - leaving Poms at 6 points & other 3 at 2 each; BD qualifies by virtue of better losing margin against Poms.

You'll be fool to think that I am excited about our prospect of qualifying through back door.
 
Mainul said:
If there is a washout against kiwis in Cardiff,3 of the teams except England (England beating Aussie and New Zealand i assume) will have 2 points each.So any team with better run rate out of 3 will go through.Very interesting scenario!

To me thus Poms vs Australia is the most important match !
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BD-NZ is the most important match for us:( You can look it from all 6 directions ..................
 
Looks like we didn't have a bad show against Poms ..............
 
IndYeah1 said:
They can be competitive against NZ outside of Bangladesh, but they have been disappointing so far. I thought their batting would do a lot better than it has. Apart from Tamim, its been disastrous. And they got shock and awed by the Aussie pace attack. Shows that they are not there yet.
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Bangladesh played well against England,scoring 305 is not a matter of joke.As i have mentioned earlier in a post,lack of experience of playing against this Aussie attack was the cause of downfall.Any team can bundled out for 182 against this Aussie attack.I can't remember,after how long Bangladesh played against Australia.There was a bit of hesitancy and lack of confidence in Bangladeshi batsmen in playing bowling of Starc,Hazlewood,Cummins,Pattinson.This is pretty normal.If Bangladesh get the chance of playing a full series against Australia,i am sure you will find a different Bangladesh against Australia.
 
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] this broom guy seems to be kiwi version of Asad Shafiq or even worse, at least Shafiq has Viv esque List A record and a decent test record.
 
MMHS said:
Looks like we didn't have a bad show against Poms ..............
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Dil ke tasali Ko ghalib ye khayal Acha hai, you will see vs Aussie if it's belter the true worth of this English bowling but still I would take this attack over bowling power house Pak.
 
The Broom sweeps the floor with the company of Ahmed shehzad and imrul kayes.pathetic player
 
nz have bits and peace player
nz have only guptil and williamson in batting
 
Hmm England looking far too clinical as an ODI side. If OZ can't beat them, only India can stop them i guess.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Hmm England looking far too clinical as an ODI side. If OZ can't beat them, only India can stop them i guess.
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If it's belter on a sunny day, this overhyped pom team will be put to sword because Aussie have best ftb hacks, and they have gunine bowlers not bitsas.
 
Great bowling figures for Wood and Ball.

Got a good chance of getting into the Final on this form.
 
Santner is good as defensive bat, but he is last person you need when rr is over 10, very limited stroke player
 
Zeshan547 said:
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] this broom guy seems to be kiwi version of Asad Shafiq or even worse, at least Shafiq has Viv esque List A record and a decent test record.
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NZ is doing wonderfully well in cricket - from a population of 1/4th of Dhaka City - that too 35% is either immigrant, most (Chinese) of whom never even watches cricket, or native Kiwi (Maori) & cricket being their 5th sports - after Rugby, soccer, golf & Olympic sports. Hardly any kid with multiple sports skill goes to cricket there, therefore Broom is playing cricket probably only because he wan't good or physically gifted enough to go to other sports.
 
The 2nd Fastest Centurion in Odis and first person to break Shahid Afridis record is still on crease.
 
Just want thrashing of New Zealand.

I have a question.Australia still don't have any run rate as all 2 games have been washed out.If their game against England is washed out too they still won't have any run rate despite getting 3 points?Then if Bangladesh beat New Zealand,then Australia and Bangladesh both will have 3 points.How it will be then decided based on net run rate? [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION].
 
MMHS said:
NZ is doing wonderfully well in cricket - from a population of 1/4th of Dhaka City - that too 35% is either immigrant, most (Chinese) of whom never even watches cricket, or native Kiwi (Maori) & cricket being their 5th sports - after Rugby, soccer, golf & Olympic sports. Hardly any kid with multiple sports skill goes to cricket there, therefore Broom is playing cricket probably only because he wan't good or physically gifted enough to go to other sports.
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In short you mean there isn't anyone better in kiwi system to replace him, I don't think so. I guess selectors are betting their money on wrong horse.
 
Mainul said:
Just want thrashing of New Zealand.

I have a question.Australia still don't have any run rate as all 2 games have been washed out.If their game against England is washed out too they still won't have any run rate despite getting 3 points?Then if Bangladesh beat New Zealand,then Australia and Bangladesh both will have 3 points.How it will be then decided based on net run rate? [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION].
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If two teams are on equal points then the team with most wins goes through.

If number of wins is equal then run rate comes into picture.

So if Australia England match is washed out and Bangladesh win against NZ, Bangladesh go through to the semis courtesy of the one win against NZ.
 
MMHS said:
NZ is doing wonderfully well in cricket - from a population of 1/4th of Dhaka City - that too 35% is either immigrant, most (Chinese) of whom never even watches cricket, or native Kiwi (Maori) & cricket being their 5th sports - after Rugby, soccer, golf & Olympic sports. Hardly any kid with multiple sports skill goes to cricket there, therefore Broom is playing cricket probably only because he wan't good or physically gifted enough to go to other sports.
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Exactly they have better pace attack than entire subcontinent. The subcontinent teams are only good because they create these slow pitches for the weak bowling like spin.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong but won't a win today guarentee England finish top of their group?
 
And no disrespect to BD but this semi final fixtures including Aus, England, South Africa and India seems a lot more interesting than if BD is to qualify instead of OZ or Poms.
 
Nuz batting is just garbage apart from kane and an inconsistent guptil,they didn't deserve to progress for the semis
 
czar said:
If two teams are on equal points then the team with most wins goes through.

If number of wins is equal then run rate comes into picture.

So if Australia England match is washed out and Bangladesh win against NZ, Bangladesh go through to the semis courtesy of the one win against NZ.
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Although i wouldnt mind Bd in semis, i rather see Ind facing Aus than BD.
 
Zeshan547 said:
And no disrespect to BD but this semi final fixtures including Aus, England, South Africa and India seems a lot more interesting than if BD is to qualify instead of OZ or Poms.
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Yeah fair point. Ind will easily stream roll past us if we qualify for semis.
 
czar said:
If two teams are on equal points then the team with most wins goes through.

If number of wins is equal then run rate comes into picture.

So if Australia England match is washed out and Bangladesh win against NZ, Bangladesh go through to the semis courtesy of the one win against NZ.
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Thanks.
 
HitWicket said:
Correct me if I'm wrong but won't a win today guarentee England finish top of their group?
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Yes it has since NZ and Bangladesh can only get a maximum of 3 points Now while England already has 4 points.

England will infact top the group now with 2 wins even if they lose last match to Australia because Australia would only have one win.
 
We couldve challenged Eng better, but our bowling is so bad even 350 they wouldve chased.
 
BDfanforever said:
Yeah fair point. Ind will easily stream roll past us if we qualify for semis.
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And BD may not qualify for semis but they are surely atlest 6th best team from 8 playing in this tourney, after 4 qualifiers, and Kiwis, easily ahead of SL and Pak, and have totally proved they deserve 6th ranking. So all is not lost for BD, they have shown they belong.
 
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Zeshan547 said:
And no disrespect to BD but this semi final fixtures including Aus, England, South Africa and India seems a lot more interesting than if BD is to qualify instead of OZ or Poms.
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You are right.But you can be sure that Bangladesh will be a better opponent than semifinalist Kenya in WC 2003.
 
I think India SA match will decide the winner of Group B. Let's not assume that India will be the sure shot topper.

But for now, England is the confirmed topper of Group A and will meet the runner up of Group B.
 
Poor Kane going to have to carry this team for the next decade.

From an impartial perspective, it would be better for Aus to progress. They're a much stronger side and will be genuine contenders, NZ will be easy beats for India or SA.
 
Good bowling job England, seamers finding some movement in a dead pitch and Rashid did well too!
 
Aman said:
Poor Kane going to have to carry this team for the next decade.

From an impartial perspective, it would be better for Aus to progress. They're a much stronger side and will be genuine contenders, NZ will be easy beats for India or SA.
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U guys can still qualify if u beat us and Nz can beat IND in semis.
 
czar said:
I think India SA match will decide the winner of Group B. Let's not assume that India will be the sure shot topper.

But for now, England is the confirmed topper of Group A and will meet the runner up of Group B.
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How about Srilanka?They still have 2 games left.
 
czar said:
I think India SA match will decide the winner of Group B. Let's not assume that India will be the sure shot topper.

But for now, England is the confirmed topper of Group A and will meet the runner up of Group B.
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And if it means SA / Ind match winner will most likely have to face OZ in semis, then I guess losing that match and avoiding Oz in semis may not be the worst option for both saf and ind, because if given the choice both teams would rather face poms than Aussie because of the record in 50 over matches in ICC tournaments, poms are yet to win 50 over ICC trophy and in front home crowd they will feel even more pressure.
 
Aman said:
Poor Kane going to have to carry this team for the next decade.

From an impartial perspective, it would be better for Aus to progress. They're a much stronger side and will be genuine contenders, NZ will be easy beats for India or SA.
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New Zealand was just unlucky not to win against strong Australia because of rain.They are a good ODI side indeed.
 
Mainul said:
New Zealand was just unlucky not to win against strong Australia because of rain.They are a good ODI side indeed.
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But may be not as good as you think, their middle and lower order have been Pakistan level in this CT so far, that's how bad it is.
 
Since England are already the Group A Toppers, I expect them to try new combinations before the Semis so there is a chance that Australia might take advantage of a complacent England and manage to win against them.

Australia will enter the ground with an intent to win and qualify which looks the most likely outcome to me and better for the tournament too.
 
Mainul said:
Just want thrashing of New Zealand.

I have a question.Australia still don't have any run rate as all 2 games have been washed out.If their game against England is washed out too they still won't have any run rate despite getting 3 points?Then if Bangladesh beat New Zealand,then Australia and Bangladesh both will have 3 points.How it will be then decided based on net run rate? [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION].
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Poms have to beat AUS, within 47 overs or 25+ margin. Then a wash out takes us to SF.

Otherwise, AUS to lose & we beat Kiwis.
 
Gotta Drop Imrul and play Firestarter Taskin.

Tamim
Soumya Doube Ton Sarkar
Heart Breaker Riyadh
Mushy
Sabbir
Miraz
Shakib
Mashrafee
Taskin
Mustafiz
Rubel
 
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