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Asians make up 80% of child groomers – study

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More than 80% of people convicted of child-grooming offences are Asian, a report will reveal this week.

The research, by the anti-extremism organisation Quilliam, looked at 58 cases of grooming gangs identified in the UK between 2005 and 2017, which led to 264 convictions for grooming.

Of the 264 offenders, 84% were of Asian heritage, mostly Pakistani; 8% were black and 7% were white.

Haras Rafiq, chief executive of Quilliam, said: “There has been a lot of coverage of grooming gangs recently, ranging from the politically correct, who don’t want to talk about it, and the bigots who want to use it for hate.

“Not talking about it doesn’t make the problem go away, and letting bigots hijack the debate creates further division in society. We as a society need to tackle this head on.”

The report calls for better integration of British Pakistanis and harsher sentences if elements of racial targeting are found.

In the news again.
 
Grooming gangs probably do exist but no way in the level that has been made out in some sections of the British media.

I believe there is a case of institutionalised discrimination when it comes to terrorism-related and child grooming sentencing for socially stigmatised groups. I have heard the other side of this story from an extended network of associates that there is a case of guilt by association in both types of crimes mentioned.
 
In the news again.

Nah it's just 2 "Brown Sahib's" trying to make money of the issue.

Wouldn't be surprised if "Imam Kirmani" is one of them. I remember his fake article about certain Pakistani women and there integrating "Oral Skills"
 
Grooming gangs probably do exist but no way in the level that has been made out in some sections of the British media.

I believe there is a case of institutionalised discrimination when it comes to terrorism-related and child grooming sentencing for socially stigmatised groups. I have heard the other side of this story from an extended network of associates that there is a case of guilt by association in both types of crimes mentioned.

I agree you never hear about thes incidents blasted over and over the tabloids and no politicions ever mention it again and again.

Only apologists such as "Daddy didn't love them enough" and even the former Prime Minister "British Society Has Failed Young Black Males"

Gang rape: Is it a race issue?

A high proportion of such attacks appears to be carried out by young black men

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/gang-rape-is-it-a-race-issue-1711381.html
 
The real problem is British Pakistani men and women marrying people back home.
 
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The real problem is British Pakistani men and women marrying people back home.

Since 2014 that has been curtailed apparently with the new rules.
Asylum from certain areas of Pakistan have sky rocketed
 
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Since 2014 that has been curtailed apparently with the new rules.
Asylum from certain areas of Pakistan have sky rocketed

I think immigration with investment should be the only kind allowed.
 
Since 2014 that has been curtailed apparently with the new rules.
Asylum from certain areas of Pakistan have sky rocketed

Yep. It's not as easy now, they have tightened up immigration law. However, the freshies that remain are a big problem. 20-30 years from now when they are all dead things will get better since we won't be deporting them anytime soon
 
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Grooming gangs of Muslim men failed to integrate into British society
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The failure of certain parts of the Asian community to integrate into British society has led to gangs of British Pakistani Muslim men​ targeting white women with drink and drugs before raping and sexually abusing them, an anti-extremism think tank claims.

The failure of Asian communities to integrate into British society has led to gangs of Muslim men targeting white women with drink and drugs before raping and sexually abusing them, an anti-extremism think tank claims.

The report by Quilliam calls for greater support to help integrate British Pakistani people into modern British society.

It says that the gangs of mainly British-Pakistani men “have been influenced by the cultural conditions of their home country and a wider failure of British society to integrate these men into their adoptive culture.”

Researchers, who analysed 264 convictions of grooming gang members since 2005, had initially expected to find Asians had been unfairly singled out. When the final numbers came in we were alarmed and dismayed
Muna Adil

However, they discovered that 222 of those convicted, or 84 per cent, were men of Asian origin. Only 22 were black and 18 were white with two offenders not having an identified ethnicity. The findings are in stark contrast to the fact Asians make up only seven per cent of the UK population, the report said.

Muna Adil, one of two authors, said: “We began thinking we would debunk the media narrative that Asians are over-represented in this specific crime. But, when the final numbers came in we were alarmed and dismayed. For both of us being of Pakistani heritage, this issue is deeply personal and deeply disturbing.”

The report, called ‘Group Based Child Sexual Exploitation: Dissecting Grooming Gangs’, notes how many of the gangs had operated in North of England towns and cities.

“When David Cameron spoke of the failings of multiculturalism in 2011 he was attacked from all sides,” Ms Adil continued. “What these critics failed to see was the numerous self-segregated northern towns, the plethora of organisations that preached problematic attitudes towards women and other faiths, and the hundreds of young men and women being radicalised right here on British soil.”

There are elements from within the British Pakistani community that still subscribe to outdated and sexist views of women.

They found that while girls from the Asian community were seen as “protected” because chastity was linked to “family honour”, young white women were deemed “easy targets” and “open to sexual relationships with a little persuasion”.

They also identified how the men in the gangs had shared a common view of their sexual abuse, having collectively justified their behaviour.

Ms Adil added: “There are elements from within the British Pakistani community that still subscribe to outdated and sexist views of women embedded within their jaded interpretations of Islam. These backward views are passed down from generation to generation until the lines between faith and culture dissolve, making it increasingly difficult to criticise one without being seen as a critic of the other.”

The report also urges politicians and the police to dismiss political correctness and fears of being branded racist to ensure they can tackle the problem of grooming gangs head on.

It says: “The notion that certain cultures are out of bounds when it comes to criticism is not just misguided and misinformed, but often allows the most vulnerable individuals from society to continue to be victimised and abused.”

Since 2011, groups of men have been prosecuted for organised sexgrooming crimes against hundreds of girls in Rochdale, Rotherham, Oxford, Telford, Leeds, Birmingham, Norwich, Burnley, High Wycombe, Leicester, Dewsbury, Middlesbrough, Peterborough, Bristol, Halifax and Newcastle.

In only two of those cases were the men not of South Asian heritage. Of all the victims, only three were not white teenage girls.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...-muslim-men-failed-integrate-british-society/

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Article talks about scumbags being influenced by the cultural conditions of their home country.


Even if all of them are immigrants, I fail to see what could be special about these immigrants and cultural influence of their home country here. There are so many Pakistani immigrants all over the world and Group Based Child Sexual Exploitation is not really in the news in other places. If it was cultural influence of home country then why don't we see widespread problem everywhere?
 
The real problem is British Pakistani men and women marrying people back home.

What % marry outside of UK? 1%, 10%, 50% ? Just a rough estimate? You will find some small portion marrying this way irrespective of country of origin.
 
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As a Pakistani origin person, I am shocked and ashamed that such people are from the same land!
 
As a Pakistani origin person, I am shocked and ashamed that such people are from the same land!

You have nothing to be ashamed here. Sharing country of origin shouldn't be translated like this. I do get your point, but 200M + population in Pakistan, you will always have some scumbags. Scumbags are in every country even with a much smaller population.
 
https://news.sky.com/story/grooming-gang-convictions-84-asian-say-researchers-11164589




By Sally Lockwood, North of England Correspondent

British-Pakistani researchers have found that 84% of all people convicted since 2005 for the specific crime of gang grooming were Asian.

The Quilliam Foundation found that the demographic background of those who exploit youngsters in a paedophile ring was different to those who act in grooming gangs.

According to the most recent figures, released in 2012 by the National Crime Agency's Child Exploitation and Online Protection Command (CEOP), 100% of child sex offenders in paedophile rings were white.

The report says CEOP, an official government body, identifies two types of group-based child sexual exploitation offenders.

Type 1 offenders were those that targeted their victims based on their vulnerability (roughly equivalent of grooming gangs), whereas Type 2 offenders target children as a result of a specific sexual interest in children (roughly equivalent of paedophile rings).

CEOP found that 75% of Type 1 offenders were of Asian ethnicity, whereas 100% of Type 2 offenders were white.

Another interesting article although this report is not from the Quilliam foundation this time, and probably not going to make the headlines either I would think.
 
Disgusting! However racists and islamophobes are conveniently ignoring the recent scandals coming out of hollywood and all over America. In fact trump just endorsed a known sexual predator
 
What % marry outside of UK? 1%, 10%, 50% ? Just a rough estimate? You will find some small portion marrying this way irrespective of country of origin.

hunh? I married a nice lady from Pakistan. Does that make me a groomer? sorry but I dont get some posts at time's on here
 
the funny thing about this report is this. They have taken child grooming. Then they have narrowed it down to a specific crime within a larger crime , then found that 80% of people who carry out this specific crime are of asian descent.

Its like writing a report that looks at child abuse, narrows down those offenders who harm children below the age of 3 and finding out that they are all white. This is a heinous crime but it seems there are some people out there who want to create the impression that asian men are all rapists and peado's. And therefore must be dealt with (ethnic cleansing).

they are simply setting the stage for future problems.
 
the funny thing about this report is this. They have taken child grooming. Then they have narrowed it down to a specific crime within a larger crime , then found that 80% of people who carry out this specific crime are of asian descent.

Its like writing a report that looks at child abuse, narrows down those offenders who harm children below the age of 3 and finding out that they are all white. This is a heinous crime but it seems there are some people out there who want to create the impression that asian men are all rapists and peado's. And therefore must be dealt with (ethnic cleansing).

they are simply setting the stage for future problems.

In what ways do you think they've been inconsistent in narrowing it down? for that heinous crime they've found 80% off offenders are asian, now that doesn't mean 80% of the asian population in the UK are capable of grooming. Generalisations should be avoided but at the same time it's still a concern these numbers and beyond police work as a community it needs to be ensured that such individuals are dealt with, perhaps the molvi during jummah needs to talk about this and remind these evil people to behave themselves because they might react when you instil in them a fear of god, believe it or not many of these people live a life of hypocrisy, they will commit vile actions but still go pray on Friday and put money in the bucket during collection maybe out of guilt or feel like their sins have been forgiven
 
In what ways do you think they've been inconsistent in narrowing it down? for that heinous crime they've found 80% off offenders are asian, now that doesn't mean 80% of the asian population in the UK are capable of grooming. Generalisations should be avoided but at the same time it's still a concern these numbers and beyond police work as a community it needs to be ensured that such individuals are dealt with, perhaps the molvi during jummah needs to talk about this and remind these evil people to behave themselves because they might react when you instil in them a fear of god, believe it or not many of these people live a life of hypocrisy, they will commit vile actions but still go pray on Friday and put money in the bucket during collection maybe out of guilt or feel like their sins have been forgiven

Well Blacks commit the vast majority of gang rapes that isn't highlighted no studies done on it or TV docs or programs made about it. Independent reports commissioned on it etc.... just the usual apologists stating "Daddy didn't love them enough" The apologists go all the way to the top as the former Prime Minister stated "British Society Has Failed Young Black Males" I mean even Prominent Blacks such as Trevor Phillips have opinions on the Grooming gangs but no opinions on the Black criminal "Gangster" culture etc

Whites make entirely the paedo rings same as above no mention White Culture etc
 
In fact in Bradford and Leeds White's glorify the Black "Gangster" culture. Lumb Lane which in the 80' s and 90's used to be a hotspot for these "Yardies" They used to blatantly sell drugs pimp women out in residential areas near mosques etc and the Police used to turn a blind eye to it. Until some Young Pakistani males decided to get in on the action and battered and robbed and eventually killed a few did it stop.

Chapeltown in Leeds was much worse used to be heavily glorified by the Whites. Now i've heard the Central government has pumped in millions there just like Brixton etc.
 
Well Blacks commit the vast majority of gang rapes that isn't highlighted no studies done on it or TV docs or programs made about it. Independent reports commissioned on it etc.... just the usual apologists stating "Daddy didn't love them enough" The apologists go all the way to the top as the former Prime Minister stated "British Society Has Failed Young Black Males" I mean even Prominent Blacks such as Trevor Phillips have opinions on the Grooming gangs but no opinions on the Black criminal "Gangster" culture etc

Whites make entirely the paedo rings same as above no mention White Culture etc

Not sure how those crimes justify these crimes by the asians
 
Not sure how those crimes justify these crimes by the asians

Where did I say it does? If you are going narrow down the parameters to show Asians commit X amount of crime in a certain way then do the same for others too.

Unless of course you want to marginalise certain community's

Ethnicity or religion of someone committing a crime is irrelevant because a crime is a crime and is not made either worse or palatable if it is committed by a person of one background or another...why do you think some want to introduce race into it.....so they can teach you to hate people based on race and religion.
 
Where did I say it does? If you are going narrow down the parameters to show Asians commit X amount of crime in a certain way then do the same for others too.

Unless of course you want to marginalise certain community's

Ethnicity or religion of someone committing a crime is irrelevant because a crime is a crime and is not made either worse or palatable if it is committed by a person of one background or another...why do you think some want to introduce race into it.....so they can teach you to hate people based on race and religion.

This thread is about asian grooming crimes what bits of my post you initially responded to do you have a problem with ?
 
This thread is about asian grooming crimes what bits of my post you initially responded to do you have a problem with ?

In what ways do you think they've been inconsistent in narrowing it down?

Is murder narrowed down in multiple ways.
 
In what ways do you think they've been inconsistent in narrowing it down?

Is murder narrowed down in multiple ways.

It depends, it could be if 80% of offenders were asian or the blacks for example
 
In what ways do you think they've been inconsistent in narrowing it down? for that heinous crime they've found 80% off offenders are asian, now that doesn't mean 80% of the asian population in the UK are capable of grooming. Generalisations should be avoided but at the same time it's still a concern these numbers and beyond police work as a community it needs to be ensured that such individuals are dealt with, perhaps the molvi during jummah needs to talk about this and remind these evil people to behave themselves because they might react when you instil in them a fear of god, believe it or not many of these people live a life of hypocrisy, they will commit vile actions but still go pray on Friday and put money in the bucket during collection maybe out of guilt or feel like their sins have been forgiven

Did you read the other study which I posted on the same topic?

https://news.sky.com/story/grooming-gang-convictions-84-asian-say-researchers-11164589

That compares the differences between grooming and paedo profiles and the data suggests that while the grooming is carried out by 80% Asians, the paedo rings are 100% organised by white Brits.

Do you think there should be front page headlines about the link between white culture and child abuse? Have you seen any, and how do you think they would be received by the English white population?
 
Did you read the other study which I posted on the same topic?

https://news.sky.com/story/grooming-gang-convictions-84-asian-say-researchers-11164589

That compares the differences between grooming and paedo profiles and the data suggests that while the grooming is carried out by 80% Asians, the paedo rings are 100% organised by white Brits.

Do you think there should be front page headlines about the link between white culture and child abuse? Have you seen any, and how do you think they would be received by the English white population?

This thread was opened on the asian grooming issue and I've made a suggestion on what could be done to prevent it, no generalisations have been made but the fact that people seemed to be bothered by any criticism is a little concerning don't you think....what those white people have done doesn't justify the asian grooming stat you pointed out in the thread title, but it seems your issue is with the media rather then the crime, I agree they need to be more objective
 
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This thread was opened on the asian grooming issue and I've made a suggestion on what could be done to prevent it, no generalisations have been made but the fact that people seemed to be bothered by any criticism is a little concerning don't you think...

What has anyone being bothered got to do with it? I saw your suggestions, I'm sure I've seen similar ones before, and they might have merit. But you didn't answer my questions which are quite relevant don't you think?
 
What has anyone being bothered got to do with it? I saw your suggestions, I'm sure I've seen similar ones before, and they might have merit. But you didn't answer my questions which are quite relevant don't you think?

I did answer it, said the media should be more objective
 
Nope I said it would be better if the asians could get away with it since that seems to be what you want

Nope this is my view

f you are going narrow down the parameters to show Asians commit X amount of crime in a certain way then do the same for others too.

Unless of course you want to marginalise certain community's
 
Nope this is my view

f you are going narrow down the parameters to show Asians commit X amount of crime in a certain way then do the same for others too.

Unless of course you want to marginalise certain community's

I already said the media should be more objective. But what's concerning is how defensive people get whenever asians indulge in these crimes, this thread is opened on their grooming acts so am not sure why people don't want this to be criticised or make suggestions etc and what can be done
 
Do we not care about that 80% statistic? why is it that no one finds it even a little bit concerning
 
The 100% white paedo rings issue is certainly a big problem, but perhaps the white people will be able to make better suggestions then me on how we can resolve that issue. However, as far as the asian and black crimes are concerned; am open to make suggestions on what we can do to improve, not that am responsible or that we have a black or asian problem but there's always room for improvement my friends
 
I did answer it, said the media should be more objective

You edited it and put that in afterwards so I didn't see it in my initial reply to your post - if you see my post it has your original quote which doesn't include your qualification.

In any case, I would say the media is objective. Their objective is to sell papers, and they wouldn't sell them if they started putting up front page headlines with White Culture connection to Paedo gangs. There'd be outrage don't you think?
 
Do we not care about that 80% statistic? why is it that no one finds it even a little bit concerning

It's massively concerning, but we have had years of these front page headlines with mugshots to imprint the image of Asians/Pakistanis as grooming predators. All we need now is a similar media drive to portray the whites as paedos with similar questions and we could address all these horrible issues together as equal Brits of all hues and cultures. That would be the ideal wouldn't it?
 
It's massively concerning, but we have had years of these front page headlines with mugshots to imprint the image of Asians/Pakistanis as grooming predators. All we need now is a similar media drive to portray the whites as paedos with similar questions and we could address all these horrible issues together as equal Brits of all hues and cultures. That would be the ideal wouldn't it?

I don't think it is concerning that's why people bring up peado rings to justify these crimes by asians
 
You edited it and put that in afterwards so I didn't see it in my initial reply to your post - if you see my post it has your original quote which doesn't include your qualification.

In any case, I would say the media is objective. Their objective is to sell papers, and they wouldn't sell them if they started putting up front page headlines with White Culture connection to Paedo gangs. There'd be outrage don't you think?

Obviously there would be outrage and there ought to be defensive whites who point out how we should be focusing more on asian grooming rather then the crimes of their people
 
Qulliam is a joke of an organistion, one funded by the government to push their agenda. The OP should be careful of posting their views as they have no credibility.

Yes there is an issue but no one race, ethnicity has a monopoly on such crimes.

When we have celebrities, politicians, presidents accused of similar crimes, it shows this is a widespread problem.
 
Do Sikhs, Hindus or Buddhists migrants/locals show similar over representation in certain crimes on foreign lands?
 
Do Sikhs, Hindus or Buddhists migrants/locals show similar over representation in certain crimes on foreign lands?

Sikhs were the ring leaders in the Ayelsbury and Huddersfield grooming gangs.
 
Buddhists are the most over represented religious group in prison in the UK. But I don’t think many of them are involved in this type of crime.

You do get some Hindus and Sikhs in these groups though.
http://www.examiner.co.uk/news/west-yorkshire-news/ten-men-deny-100-charges-13881107

They’re probably slightly over represented I’d say.

Sikhs were the ring leaders in the Ayelsbury and Huddersfield grooming gangs.

Thanks for the info.
 
Researchers, who analysed 264 convictions of grooming gang members since 2005, had initially expected to find Asians had been unfairly singled out. When the final numbers came in we were alarmed and dismayed Muna Adil
Are they trying trying to tell us that since 2005, ie in the last 12 years, there's only been 264 convictions? Furthermore, since these each of those convicted on this list of 264 convictions has usually been part of a larger group, it means that, according to this research, on average there have only been two or three separate cases (albeit involving many individuals per case) per year? In the whole of the United Kingdom?



Here are some other key statistics about sexual violence:



* Approximately 85,000 women and 12,000 men are raped in England and Wales alone every year; that's roughly 11 rapes (of adults alone) every hour. These figures include assaults by penetration and attempts.
* Nearly half a million adults are sexually assaulted in England and Wales each year
* 1 in 5 women aged 16 - 59 has experienced some form of sexual violence since the age of 16
* Only around 15% of those who experience sexual violence choose to report to the police
* Approximately 90% of those who are raped know the perpetrator prior to the offence

These figures come from An Overview of Sexual Offending in England and Wales, the first ever joint official statistics bulletin on sexual violence released by the Ministry of Justice (MoJ), Office for National Statistics (ONS) and Home Office in January 2013.



Download the full report, a summary and/or the data tables for more information.



As well as this:



* 31% of young women aged 18-24 report having experienced sexual abuse in childhood (NSPCC, 2011)
* In 2012-13, 22,654 sexual offences against under-18s were reported to police in England and Wales with four out of five cases involving girls (NSPCC, 2014)
* Most women in the UK do not have access to a Rape Crisis Centre (Map of Gaps, 2007)
* A third of people believe women who flirt are partially responsible for being raped (Amnesty, 2005)
* Conviction rates for rape are far lower than other crimes, with only 5.7% of reported rape cases ending in a conviction for the perpetrator. (Kelly, Lovett and Regan, A gap or a chasm? Attrition in reported rape cases, 2005)

https://rapecrisis.org.uk/statistics.php

There is something seriously amiss with this figure of 264, it bears no relationship whatsoever with the official figures of rape or sexual abuse of under 18 year olds,


* 31% of young women aged 18-24 report having experienced sexual abuse in childhood (NSPCC, 2011)
* In 2012-13, 22,654 sexual offences against under-18s were reported to police in England and Wales with four out of five cases involving girls (NSPCC, 2014)
Is the report somehow suggesting that the, on average, around 20,000+ sexual offences against under-18's annually that take place, the vast majority are all committed by Asian men, of which only these 264 have been caught and convicted in over 12 years?

I am wondering whether when the pervert happens to be an Asian man, he is automatically classified into a separate category, a category which the researchers in the OP report then use as their base data to the exclusion of the vast majority of other cases?
 
hunh? I married a nice lady from Pakistan. Does that make me a groomer? sorry but I dont get some posts at time's on here

I don't think that previous poster meant it that way. I am sorry if my reply to that post made you feel that way.
 
In what ways do you think they've been inconsistent in narrowing it down? for that heinous crime they've found 80% off offenders are asian, now that doesn't mean 80% of the asian population in the UK are capable of grooming. Generalisations should be avoided but at the same time it's still a concern these numbers and beyond police work as a community it needs to be ensured that such individuals are dealt with, perhaps the molvi during jummah needs to talk about this and remind these evil people to behave themselves because they might react when you instil in them a fear of god, believe it or not many of these people live a life of hypocrisy, they will commit vile actions but still go pray on Friday and put money in the bucket during collection maybe out of guilt or feel like their sins have been forgiven

so your saying that 222 people who have committed this heinous crime should thus cause a community of 3 million Muslims to navel gaze and start questioning our very cultural existence in Britain? Its ludicrous. We should be more concerned with the amount of credit card, drug and GBH crimes committed in our community. Now before anyone jumps on me I'm not saying we shouldnt be concerned, we should. But the numbers are small and the police are doing a good job. That in itself is a good start.

Another thing we should be doing is looking at why such a large number of our men are working in the night time economy. Why are so many of our people still stuck in the mire of educated illiteracy and a 1950's pind mentality?
 
I don't think that previous poster meant it that way. I am sorry if my reply to that post made you feel that way.

its ok mate I wasnt having a go at you but the other post got deleted so I had to quote you to comment on his post lol..
 
so your saying that 222 people who have committed this heinous crime should thus cause a community of 3 million Muslims to navel gaze and start questioning our very cultural existence in Britain? Its ludicrous. We should be more concerned with the amount of credit card, drug and GBH crimes committed in our community. Now before anyone jumps on me I'm not saying we shouldnt be concerned, we should. But the numbers are small and the police are doing a good job. That in itself is a good start.

Another thing we should be doing is looking at why such a large number of our men are working in the night time economy. Why are so many of our people still stuck in the mire of educated illiteracy and a 1950's pind mentality?

Questioning cultural existence lmao where did you get that from, even a tiny bit of criticism gets taken personally if you have a problem with a specific point I mentioned point it out and explain why. All the other crimes also deserve our attention in the community but this thread is about asian grooming and that should also be of concern. Speaking of the night time economy, we shouldn't judge people on how they make a living so long they don't harm other people and am sure there are many good people who work the night shifts honourably to put food on the table for their family's, however there have been links between the night time economy and crime, including the one in the OP. The illiteracy and pind mentality is mostly amongst 1st gens but they won't be around next 20-30 years, outside these guys (not all of them) we have seen improvements in variour inner city's but we could always be better in all areas, if moves are made to prevent sin am not sure why anyone would have a problem with that.
 
I don't think it is concerning that's why people bring up peado rings to justify these crimes by asians

Has anyone tried to justify the crimes by Asians? No one has on this thread. If you think it's not concerning, then you would be wrong, Lady Warsi has spoken publicly on this issue when she was an MP, as have several Pakistani/Muslim spokesmen. But there is obviously the elephant in the room which hasn't been addressed publicly, and that is, if you portray Asians as a group as sexual predators, then stay silent on whites as a group of paedos, then there is obviously a bias in reporting which can only lead to prejudice and bigotry.

There is a need for both issues to be addressed, but only one is being addressed publicly.
 
Has anyone tried to justify the crimes by Asians? No one has on this thread. If you think it's not concerning, then you would be wrong, Lady Warsi has spoken publicly on this issue when she was an MP, as have several Pakistani/Muslim spokesmen. But there is obviously the elephant in the room which hasn't been addressed publicly, and that is, if you portray Asians as a group as sexual predators, then stay silent on whites as a group of paedos, then there is obviously a bias in reporting which can only lead to prejudice and bigotry.

There is a need for both issues to be addressed, but only one is being addressed publicly.

Am not denying that bias and I don't agree with it either, was focussing on the crime itself
 
Am not denying that bias and I don't agree with it either, was focussing on the crime itself

Fair enough. I think if the crimes had been treated as crimes regardless of ethnicity it would have been easier to deal with. Personally I have a massive British equality complex, and anything which makes me feel different to my white friends racially rubs me up the wrong way. That said, for those who do see themselves as different, and attend mosques and such, they have my admiration for their efforts on the one hand, and also a vague feeling of discomfort that they are doomed to be eternal apologists for some time yet.
 
Fair enough. I think if the crimes had been treated as crimes regardless of ethnicity it would have been easier to deal with. Personally I have a massive British equality complex, and anything which makes me feel different to my white friends racially rubs me up the wrong way. That said, for those who do see themselves as different, and attend mosques and such, they have my admiration for their efforts on the one hand, and also a vague feeling of discomfort that they are doomed to be eternal apologists for some time yet.

This thread isn't about british equality or other crimes it's about asian grooming though and we're focusing on that crime but if people want to discuss other crimes they can open a thread to discuss them otherwise they come across as child grooming sympathisers. Also not sure how this whole thing makes you feel inferior to your white friends?
 
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This thread isn't about british equality or other crimes it's about asian grooming though and we're focusing on that crime but if people want to discuss other crimes they can open a thread to discuss them otherwise they come across as child grooming sympathisers. Also not sure how this whole thing makes you feel inferior to your white friends?

I don't feel inferior, but I want equal opportunity to feel superior. Now if I could go into work and put a newspaper on my desk which had headlines Study shows "White Brits responsible for 100% paedos" with a big photo of a paedo ring with white mugshots on it....then I think that would be equitable situation. Not that I'd want to do it, it would make for an uncomfortable atmosphere, but then at least we'd be in similar positions. I'm sure you can see this, no?

As for the let's discuss this in a separate thread, it's a reasonable request, except the white paedo study was published in the same article as the Asian grooming one so the comparison has already been made.
 
I don't feel inferior, but I want equal opportunity to feel superior. Now if I could go into work and put a newspaper on my desk which had headlines Study shows "White Brits responsible for 100% paedos" with a big photo of a paedo ring with white mugshots on it....then I think that would be equitable situation. Not that I'd want to do it, it would make for an uncomfortable atmosphere, but then at least we'd be in similar positions. I'm sure you can see this, no?

As for the let's discuss this in a separate thread, it's a reasonable request, except the white paedo study was published in the same article as the Asian grooming one so the comparison has already been made.

Yeah, I already said media should be objective. Best to avoid those tensions. It won't happen though because such articles tend to sell well and are designed to stir the pot.
 
In fact in Bradford and Leeds White's glorify the Black "Gangster" culture. Lumb Lane which in the 80' s and 90's used to be a hotspot for these "Yardies" They used to blatantly sell drugs pimp women out in residential areas near mosques etc and the Police used to turn a blind eye to it. Until some Young Pakistani males decided to get in on the action and battered and robbed and eventually killed a few did it stop.

Chapeltown in Leeds was much worse used to be heavily glorified by the Whites. Now i've heard the Central government has pumped in millions there just like Brixton etc.

What I’ve noticed about Leeds (lived there previously for 6 years - now moved a bit further out but still work there) is that there has been a huge financial investment as a result of the so-called “Northern Powerhouse”, however this has mainly been done within the city centre which is now seriously impressive (albeit fuller of traffic then ever before) meanwhile many of the suburbs have got even more deprived. Leeds is going quickly and directly the way of London - in all of the best and worst ways.
 
Do we not care about that 80% statistic? why is it that no one finds it even a little bit concerning

Better to blame outsiders than look at uncomfortable truths closer to home, of course. Yet this disgusting behaviour feeds directly into the narrative of the Islamophobes.

Quilliam describes this problem as taking root where there is an outdated and backward interpretation of Islam which looks down on women who are uncovered, plus sexual repression, plus poverty, plus lack of education.
 
Better to blame outsiders than look at uncomfortable truths closer to home, of course. Yet this disgusting behaviour feeds directly into the narrative of the Islamophobes.

Quilliam describes this problem as taking root where there is an outdated and backward interpretation of Islam which looks down on women who are uncovered, plus sexual repression, plus poverty, plus lack of education.

Quilliam is a joke, its ruined the good name of Quilliam who was one of the first converts to Islam from England(known).

There is no interpretation of Islam when it comes to the groomers.

If anything they are following western culture. Drinking alcohol, taking drugs and fornication is not Islamic in any way at all, not even the most idiotic person or the most anti Islamic person could ever suggest this religion could be interpretation in allowing these things.

This is mainly a western culture issue with some elements of backward tribal thinking mixed in.
 
Better to blame outsiders than look at uncomfortable truths closer to home, of course.

That applies to quite a few of the parties if we dig deeper, the perpetrators, maybe the care system itself, how the girls end up there, the police and their attitudes, and more importantly the families of the victims.

In the end I think that is where you will get the most impact on changing things, when you drill down to the families of both victims and perpetrators and get accountability there.
 
Quilliam is a joke, its ruined the good name of Quilliam who was one of the first converts to Islam from England(known).

There is no interpretation of Islam when it comes to the groomers.

If anything they are following western culture. Drinking alcohol, taking drugs and fornication is not Islamic in any way at all, not even the most idiotic person or the most anti Islamic person could ever suggest this religion could be interpretation in allowing these things.

This is mainly a western culture issue with some elements of backward tribal thinking mixed in.


I knew this would happen. Blame the messenger, don’t acknowledge that there is a problem in the communities.
 
Better to blame outsiders than look at uncomfortable truths closer to home, of course. Yet this disgusting behaviour feeds directly into the narrative of the Islamophobes.

Quilliam describes this problem as taking root where there is an outdated and backward interpretation of Islam which looks down on women who are uncovered, plus sexual repression, plus poverty, plus lack of education.

I get the point of others, it makes things awkward for them in the workplace and other tricky situations; while the media could be more objective in the end the people who are responsible for those crimes are to blame for embarrassing everyone, am not bothered about anything else besides things which may stop from such a crime being committed in the first place, policing could certainly be better and if our community leaders speak out against it, won't really harm us ? I don't remember that case recently, I think the BBC created a documentary series ? am not sure about the role of their faith in the crime because we've seen it benefit people positively and am pretty sure no one encourages that behaviour, but am sure that some of the biggest failures which contributed to the heinous sin in that particular case was people turning a blind eye in addition to the police. Now am not making any generalisations here or pointing fingers at the rest.
 
That applies to quite a few of the parties if we dig deeper, the perpetrators, maybe the care system itself, how the girls end up there, the police and their attitudes, and more importantly the families of the victims.

In the end I think that is where you will get the most impact on changing things, when you drill down to the families of both victims and perpetrators and get accountability there.


The care system is not the perpetrators. The parents are not the perpetrators. The police are not the perpetrators. They did not rape hundreds of children.
 
I get the point of others, it makes things awkward for them in the workplace and other tricky situations; while the media could be more objective in the end the people who are responsible for those crimes are to blame for embarrassing everyone, am not bothered about anything else besides things which may stop from such a crime being committed in the first place, policing could certainly be better and if our community leaders speak out against it, won't really harm us ? I don't remember that case recently, I think the BBC created a documentary series ? am not sure about the role of their faith in the crime because we've seen it benefit people positively and am pretty sure no one encourages that behaviour, but am sure that some of the biggest failures which contributed to the heinous sin in that particular case was people turning a blind eye in addition to the police. Now am not making any generalisations here or pointing fingers at the rest.

The problem is where faith intersects with culture. Look at the Catholic priests scandal, covered up by the Church for decades. If the Church allowed priests to marry this problem would be drastically reduced.
 
I knew this would happen. Blame the messenger, don’t acknowledge that there is a problem in the communities.

of course there is a problem but you have stated you understand Quilliams pov where they think these people are taking an interpretation of Islam.

Explain how this is even possible when the main issues here are of sex outside of marriage, forcing children into such acts, drink and drugs. Not even the most rabid Islamaphobe would suggest these are Islamic or can be seen as Islamic. So please explain
 
I knew this would happen. Blame the messenger, don’t acknowledge that there is a problem in the communities.

I don't think he's denying it but far fetched with the Islamic interpretation lol honestly I've never read anything about grooming in the Quran Robert. It's more of a 1st generation tribal mindset among those people in addition to a lack of education, they see vulnerable women as easy prey / meat. Not everyone is like that obviously and I have many friends / relatives who are good people but we need an initiative which speaks out against these devils emphatically, preferably the Imam who commands respect.
 
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Considering the number of times people have mentioned Hollywood here and the problems the entertainment industry has in it's treatment of women ...why is it so offensive to suggest cultural issues when observing other representations?...

For instance Algerians are overrepresented in terror statistics compared to other communities in Britain ...Is it not therefore prudent to examine why there is this statistic?...

There have been studies on why north Africans in general are overrepresented in terror attacks in Europe in comparison to south Asians (Pakistanis for instance are the biggest ethnic minority in Barcelona for instance but are involved in nothing)...

Everyone here is rightly saying Hollywood has a problem...

When there is overrepresentation it is surely worth at least discussing why rather than going on the defensive and saying what about the black overrepresentation in terms of gang rape...

The statistics on Asians and grooming are quite staggering considering their % of the population ...

Any ideas for why grooming is predominant amongst Asians?
 
Maajid Nawaz as it happens got a call on his LBC show from an old Pakistani woman who suggested that Christian women in Pakistan were viewed in the same way ...Any truth to that?
 
From the link posted by [MENTION=48620]Cpt. Rishwat[/MENTION] in post #32

British-Pakistani researchers have found that 84% of all people convicted since 2005 for the specific crime of gang grooming were Asian.

The Quilliam Foundation found that the demographic background of those who exploit youngsters in a paedophile ring was different to those who act in grooming gangs.

According to the most recent figures, released in 2012 by the National Crime Agency's Child Exploitation and Online Protection Command (CEOP), 100% of child sex offenders in paedophile rings were white.

The report says CEOP, an official government body, identifies two types of group-based child sexual exploitation offenders.

Type 1 offenders were those that targeted their victims based on their vulnerability (roughly equivalent of grooming gangs), whereas Type 2 offenders target children as a result of a specific sexual interest in children (roughly equivalent of paedophile rings).

CEOP found that 75% of Type 1 offenders were of Asian ethnicity, whereas 100% of Type 2 offenders were white.

https://news.sky.com/story/grooming-gang-convictions-84-asian-say-researchers-11164589
This definition of 'Type 1 offenders' versus 'Type 2 offenders' seems to be arbitrary.

"Type 1 offenders were those that targeted their victims based on their vulnerability (roughly equivalent of grooming gangs), whereas Type 2 offenders target children as a result of a specific sexual interest in children (roughly equivalent of paedophile rings)"

If 100% of Type 2 offenders (paedophile rings) are white, does that then mean any Asian who also targets children 'as a result of a specific sexual interest in children' in a similar manner, but does not happen to be white, is automatically excluded from the Type 2 category but added to the Type 1 category (child groomers) instead, thus inflating the Type 1 category figures?

Why is it the case that if a group of white paedophiles groom kids (say initially via the internet), and then move onto making direct direct contact with them, they'll be classed as being a paedophile ring, whereas if it's Asians who've done the same, with the only difference being that the initial means of contact is not via the internet but through other means, then they're 'child groomers'.
And thus when you analyse the 'child groomers' list, surprise, surprise, they're nearly all Asian!!
 
From the link posted by [MENTION=48620]Cpt. Rishwat[/MENTION] in post #32

This definition of 'Type 1 offenders' versus 'Type 2 offenders' seems to be arbitrary.

"Type 1 offenders were those that targeted their victims based on their vulnerability (roughly equivalent of grooming gangs), whereas Type 2 offenders target children as a result of a specific sexual interest in children (roughly equivalent of paedophile rings)"

If 100% of Type 2 offenders (paedophile rings) are white, does that then mean any Asian who also targets children 'as a result of a specific sexual interest in children' in a similar manner, but does not happen to be white, is automatically excluded from the Type 2 category but added to the Type 1 category (child groomers) instead, thus inflating the Type 1 category figures?

Why is it the case that if a group of white paedophiles groom kids (say initially via the internet), and then move onto making direct direct contact with them, they'll be classed as being a paedophile ring, whereas if it's Asians who've done the same, with the only difference being that the initial means of contact is not via the internet but through other means, then they're 'child groomers'.
And thus when you analyse the 'child groomers' list, surprise, surprise, they're nearly all Asian!!

What they have done is all the groups involving mostly Asians they have tallied up the percentage from that.

Newham is not on the list and the groomers there were Black.
 
What they have done is all the groups involving mostly Asians they have tallied up the percentage from that.

Newham is not on the list and the groomers there were Black.
So basically they've only selected those groups that primarily contain Asians, whilst excluding other groups containing non-Asians, and then claimed that most of the groomers are Asians?
 
So basically they've only selected those groups that primarily contain Asians, whilst excluding other groups containing non-Asians, and then claimed that most of the groomers are Asians?

Looks like it as they have conveniently left out the London Black groups out.
 
In Bradford where there hasn't yet been a grooming gang Blacks are more over represented than Asians in CSE.
 
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