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Asians make up 80% of child groomers – study

shaykh said:
So any combined stats?...
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Yes there was and guess what Blacks were the most over represented. They have been posted by me on here before.

I'll see if I can dig out the figures here later
 
As per the 2011 Census Asians 6.9% Blacks 3%

Where the ethnicity of perpetrators was provided, 545 were recorded as ‘White’, 415 were recorded as ‘Asian’, and 244 were recorded as ‘Black’. Based on the terms used in the call for evidence submission, the following sub-categories can be produced:


https://www.childrenscommissioner.gov.uk/sites/default/files/publications/I thought I was the only one in the world.pdf
 
mani1 said:
As per the 2011 Census Asians 6.9% Blacks 3%

Where the ethnicity of perpetrators was provided, 545 were recorded as ‘White’, 415 were recorded as ‘Asian’, and 244 were recorded as ‘Black’. Based on the terms used in the call for evidence submission, the following sub-categories can be produced:


https://www.childrenscommissioner.gov.uk/sites/default/files/publications/I thought I was the only one in the world.pdf
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So both Blacks and Asians are disproportionately represented...
 
shaykh said:
So both Blacks and Asians are disproportionately represented...
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Blacks more so............

Yet these incidents are not blasted over and over the tabloids and no politicians ever mention it again and again.

Only apologists such as "Daddy didn't love them enough" and even the former Prime Minister "British Society Has Failed Young Black Males"


Trevor Philips has strong opinions on Asians abusers but none against Back ones and Black culture
 
how did you miss this [MENTION=106]Mani[/MENTION]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.te...ow-risk-paedophiles-spared-jail-officers/amp/

400 caught per month... only tip of the iceberg. Because there is so many of them, there not enough resources to deal with them all.. the solution.... let them off!!

I wonder who is over represented here.... wonder if the qulliam lot paid any attention to this.... probably not
 
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mani1 said:
Blacks more so............

Yet these incidents are not blasted over and over the tabloids and no politicians ever mention it again and again.

Only apologists such as "Daddy didn't love them enough" and even the former Prime Minister "British Society Has Failed Young Black Males"


Trevor Philips has strong opinions on Asians abusers but none against Back ones and Black culture
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If I remember there was a doc with Darcus Howe on the subject...I remember discussing it on this forum years ago...

https://www.newstatesman.com/node/153664

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/tv-gang-rape-documentary-angers-blacks-groups-1185625.html

Can't find the doc anywhere though...

The reaction was similar in that blacks felt it was an attack on them...

Thomas Sowell is an excellent black thinker on the subject of black culture...dodgy politics but very intelligent on this area...but because he is critical of the effects of culture he is often villified...
 
Eagle_Eye said:
how did you miss this [MENTION=106]Mani[/MENTION]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.te...ow-risk-paedophiles-spared-jail-officers/amp/

400 caught per month... only tip of the iceberg. Because there is so many of them, there not enough resources to deal with them all.. the solution.... let them off!!

I wonder who is over represented here.... wonder if the qulliam lot paid any attention to this.... probably not
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Quilliam's role is to critique the Muslim community...their role isn't to say look at the black statistics...

The question is whether the statistics that have been brought forth do suggest that Asians are significantly overrepresented or not...as in are their claims false...

If the messenger is spreading a falsehood then fair enough...
 
Quilliam is the worst news source imaginable for this sort of thing. Their “Muslim” spearhead Maajid Nawaz posted a picture of the Prophet PBUH on Twitter just to see what reaction he could get. They are wind-up merchants, who I might add are directly funded by the government. ‘Don’t shoot the messenger’ applies in cases of the messenger being an innocent and uninvolved party to events - but Quilliam is certainly not that.
 
James said:
Quilliam is the worst news source imaginable for this sort of thing. Their “Muslim” spearhead Maajid Nawaz posted a picture of the Prophet PBUH on Twitter just to see what reaction he could get. They are wind-up merchants, who I might add are directly funded by the government. ‘Don’t shoot the messenger’ applies in cases of the messenger being an innocent and uninvolved party to events - but Quilliam is certainly not that.
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Very well said.
 
James said:
Quilliam is the worst news source imaginable for this sort of thing. Their “Muslim” spearhead Maajid Nawaz posted a picture of the Prophet PBUH on Twitter just to see what reaction he could get. They are wind-up merchants, who I might add are directly funded by the government. ‘Don’t shoot the messenger’ applies in cases of the messenger being an innocent and uninvolved party to events - but Quilliam is certainly not that.
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Maajid Nawaz is certainly a non Muslim masquerading as a Muslim ...

He's essentially said that verses of the Qur'an need to be removed ...which I think for most Muslims is an affront ...

They are certainly agenda driven ...and their remit is to show Muslims in a bad light ...

What that means is they will either select statistics that suit their perspective ...which means the statistics are still valid ...or they will manipulate information to suit their agenda ...

In this case they have chosen the stats to address the Asian issue with grooming ...What needs to be ascertained is whether these stats are valid or not ...
 
shaykh said:
If I remember there was a doc with Darcus Howe on the subject...I remember discussing it on this forum years ago...

https://www.newstatesman.com/node/153664

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/tv-gang-rape-documentary-angers-blacks-groups-1185625.html

Can't find the doc anywhere though...

The reaction was similar in that blacks felt it was an attack on them...

Thomas Sowell is an excellent black thinker on the subject of black culture...dodgy politics but very intelligent on this area...but because he is critical of the effects of culture he is often villified...
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This was 15-20 years ago. Since then billions have been pumped in to there areas.

Yet nothing has changed they are still the most over represented in most types of crime including CSE.

Darcus Howe isn't he that racist that blamed every one but Blacks for burning down London?.

Blacks in the UK these days are a protected race.

David Cameron was just recently putting pressure on Oxbridge to let them in.

I posted the figures up and Afro Caribs are the least educated from any ethnicity excluding Gypsies yet are more likely to get in to Oxford as a % than Indians.
 
Like I have said before you are going narrow down the parameters to show Asians commit X amount of crime in a certain way then do the same for others too.

Unless of course you want to marginalise certain Communities.
 
Robert said:
The care system is not the perpetrators. The parents are not the perpetrators. The police are not the perpetrators. They did not rape hundreds of children.
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Neither did the 'Pakistani community' or the 'Muslim community'. It was the perpetrators so I agree with you, it's a criminal matter, so let's ask the police and courts deal with it.
 
UK should make sure it maintains its consistency in political correctness, otherwise hatred between communities will rise.
 
shaykh said:
Quilliam's role is to critique the Muslim community...their role isn't to say look at the black statistics...

The question is whether the statistics that have been brought forth do suggest that Asians are significantly overrepresented or not...as in are their claims false...

If the messenger is spreading a falsehood then fair enough...
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You can easily check the figures. But I suspect you won’t because it is easier to shoot the messenger than risk the possibility that the message is true.

Quilliam say 58 grooming gangs have been disrupted since 2005. Of those convicted, 222 are South Asians, 22 black and 18 white.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Neither did the 'Pakistani community' or the 'Muslim community'. It was the perpetrators so I agree with you, it's a criminal matter, so let's ask the police and courts deal with it.
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The agencies should look at the way they interact together too, though.
 
Robert said:
You can easily check the figures. But I suspect you won’t because it is easier to shoot the messenger than risk the possibility that the message is true.

Quilliam say 58 grooming gangs have been disrupted since 2005. Of those convicted, 222 are South Asians, 22 black and 18 white.
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I didn't shoot the messenger...the posters are correct however about Quilliam being an anti-Muslim organisation...

I stated that their agenda is clear...so what needs to be examined is whether they are using data correctly because it suits their agenda...or misusing data...

Using Quilliam is the equivalent of using Breitbart as a source...and sometimes that capitalise on truth and sometimes they misrepresent...
 
Buffet said:
With 87% whites in UK. Nothing to see here.

You have to point to stats where 5% population makes up for 50% of crimes to make any point.
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[MENTION=396]mani1[/MENTION] on the ropes lol

India - 1 (Buffet #100)

Pakistan - 0
 
The majority of those convicted for rape act along...5,190 people were convicted of rape last year alone...

In terms of grooming last year: 72 were convicted last year...65 were Asian...

Manchester -3
Rochdale - 9
Rotherham - 6
Littlehampton - 2
Halifax - 16
Oxford - 6
Bradford - 2
Manchester - 3
Rochdale - 4
Dewsbury - 4
Rotherham - 7
Bristol - 3
Yeovil - 2
Coventry - 5

But if you consider that overall figure...Asians are certainly overrepresented in grooming gangs...but some would have you believe that is the biggest rape threat in general...

Grooming convictions comprised 0.01% of rape convictions in the UK in 2016...so while Asians may be overrepresented in it...other forms of rape are significantly more frequent in terms of numbers of rapists...there is no ethnicity based data on the 5,190 number...

That said thw issue I guess with using conviction stats is we don't know how many victims there are from those statistics...
Eg 1 person might be convicted but we don't know how many victims there were...a grooming gang may have 10 people who abused 5 girls...or 3 people who abused 20...

The same with general stats...we only know of 5,190 convictions...we don't know how many offences have been committed...
 
Buffet said:
With 87% whites in UK. Nothing to see here.

You have to point to stats where 5% population makes up for 50% of crimes to make any point.
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Which stats show 5% of the population commiting 50% of the crime?
 
shaykh said:
The majority of those convicted for rape act along...5,190 people were convicted of rape last year alone...

In terms of grooming last year: 72 were convicted last year...65 were Asian...

Manchester -3
Rochdale - 9
Rotherham - 6
Littlehampton - 2
Halifax - 16
Oxford - 6
Bradford - 2
Manchester - 3
Rochdale - 4
Dewsbury - 4
Rotherham - 7
Bristol - 3
Yeovil - 2
Coventry - 5

But if you consider that overall figure...Asians are certainly overrepresented in grooming gangs...but some would have you believe that is the biggest rape threat in general...

Grooming convictions comprised 0.01% of rape convictions in the UK in 2016...so while Asians may be overrepresented in it...other forms of rape are significantly more frequent in terms of numbers of rapists...there is no ethnicity based data on the 5,190 number...

That said thw issue I guess with using conviction stats is we don't know how many victims there are from those statistics...
Eg 1 person might be convicted but we don't know how many victims there were...a grooming gang may have 10 people who abused 5 girls...or 3 people who abused 20...

The same with general stats...we only know of 5,190 convictions...we don't know how many offences have been committed...
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There where more than 2 convictions in Bradford and the vast majority were White.

Unless ofcourse as I suspect these figures are based on the ethnicity of gangs with Asians involved.
 
shaykh said:
The majority of those convicted for rape act along...5,190 people were convicted of rape last year alone...

In terms of grooming last year: 72 were convicted last year...65 were Asian...

Manchester -3
Rochdale - 9
Rotherham - 6
Littlehampton - 2
Halifax - 16
Oxford - 6
Bradford - 2
Manchester - 3
Rochdale - 4
Dewsbury - 4
Rotherham - 7
Bristol - 3
Yeovil - 2
Coventry - 5

But if you consider that overall figure...Asians are certainly overrepresented in grooming gangs...but some would have you believe that is the biggest rape threat in general...

Grooming convictions comprised 0.01% of rape convictions in the UK in 2016...so while Asians may be overrepresented in it...other forms of rape are significantly more frequent in terms of numbers of rapists...there is no ethnicity based data on the 5,190 number...

That said thw issue I guess with using conviction stats is we don't know how many victims there are from those statistics...
Eg 1 person might be convicted but we don't know how many victims there were...a grooming gang may have 10 people who abused 5 girls...or 3 people who abused 20...

The same with general stats...we only know of 5,190 convictions...we don't know how many offences have been committed...
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Damn
 
mani1 said:
Which stats show 5% of the population commiting 50% of the crime?
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You missed the point totally.

80% crimes by 80% population is normal. Why will you even cite that?

You don't have to look for 5 or 50 here. That was just an example where I pulled numbers out of thin air.
 
Buffet said:
You missed the point totally.

80% crimes by 80% population is normal. Why will you even cite that?

You don't have to look for 5 or 50 here. That was just an example where I pulled numbers out of thin air.
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My point was the right wing are trying to make out that Asians are massively over represented in cse when they clearly are not.

Selectively cherry picking the stats with groups involving Asians doesnt change that.
 
mani1 said:
Which stats show 5% of the population commiting 50% of the crime?
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I think the stats say that the majority of grooming gangs are South Asian.

These figures do not include individually acting offenders.

For example Cornwall, which is 99% white, suffers a large number of paedophile offenders.
 
Robert said:
I think the stats say that the majority of grooming gangs are South Asian.

These figures do not include individually acting offenders.


For example Cornwall, which is 99% white, suffers a large number of paedophile offenders.
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The stats also show all the Gang raping gangs are Black. All the Paedophile rings are White so in London in places like Newham which is 16% White they make 100% of the paedophile offenders.

So 3% of the Population commits close if not 100% of gang raping which is alarming to say the least.
 
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So white's need to address the pedo problems, blacks the gang rapes. Yep totally agree.

However, find it bizzare why those problems are being used to defend the asian gooming problem. Asians get so defensive and are just not open to criticism or suggestions to improve which isn't contributing to generalizations, stop defending the inbreds who keep spitting on the community in the end it is due to their actions which have orchestrated everything.
 
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But but but the White's But but but the Black's, But but but the Media........:(

That seems to be the solution and defence of the specific asian grooming crimes.
 
shaz619 said:
So white's need to address the pedo problems, blacks the gang rapes. Yep totally agree.

However, find it bizzare why those problems are being used to defend the asian gooming problem. Asians get so defensive and are just not open to criticism or suggestions to improve which isn't contributing to generalizations, stop defending the inbreds who keep spitting on the community in the end it is due to their actions which have orchestrated everything.
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There are about 5 TV Programs about Asian grooming gangs. 100's of news articles. loads and loads of research stats done on it etc even racists like Trevor Phillips whom keeps on going on about Muslim and Pakistani culture to deflect on his own gang raping culture.

How many of the above for Blacks? in fact did you know Blacks are massively over represented in CSE and make almost all if not 100% of the gang rapists?

How many politicians talking about Black criminal gang raping culture culture?

Is Trevor Phillips defending Black gang rapists when he deflects to Asians grooming? or is the media or the Politicians?

Or is it a case of we only want to marginalise certain community's?
 
shaz619 said:
But but but the White's But but but the Black's, But but but the Media........:(

That seems to be the solution and defence of the specific asian grooming crimes.
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Should we be blaming "British Society" instead? or blame Daddy
 
mani1 said:
There are about 5 TV Programs about Asian grooming gangs. 100's of news articles. loads and loads of research stats done on it etc even racists like Trevor Phillips whom keeps on going on about Muslim and Pakistani culture to deflect on his own gang raping culture.

How many of the above for Blacks? in fact did you know Blacks are massively over represented in CSE and make almost all if not 100% of the gang rapists?

How many politicians talking about Black criminal gang raping culture culture?

Is Trevor Phillips defending Black gang rapists when he deflects to Asians grooming? or is the media or the Politicians?

Or is it a case of we only want to marginalise certain community's?
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Yep all those white and black crimes need to be addressed no one is defending them.

However typical behaviour, asian grooming sympathisers always deflecting from the crime itself and those responsible
 
What do you suggest the Asian community do that hasn't already been done?
 
shaz619 said:
Yep all those white and black crimes need to be addressed no one is defending them.

However typical behaviour, asian grooming sympathisers always deflecting from the crime itself and those responsible
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Are those deflecting from black gang rapists to Asian grooming gangs Black rapist sympathisers ?
 
mani1 said:
Should we be blaming "British Society" instead? or blame Daddy
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Nope, we should be focussing on those who comit the crime itself. It seems people are sympathetic towards asian groomers though
 
shaz619 said:
Nope, we should be focussing on those who comit the crime itself. It seems people are sympathetic towards asian groomers though
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So those that blame daddy or British Society are more sympathetic towards Black gang rapists?
 
mani1 said:
Are those deflecting from black gang rapists to Asian grooming gangs Black rapist sympathisers ?
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This thread is about asian grooming. The crimes of blacks and whites etc have all been accepted anyhow. So you're using other races crimes which have already been deemed as wrong to defend asian groomers
 
shaz619 said:
This thread is about asian grooming. The crimes of blacks and whites etc have all been accepted anyhow. So you're using other races crimes which have already been deemed as wrong to defend asian groomers
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If they have been accepted how many of these have you personally seen?

How many of the above for Blacks? in fact did you know Blacks are massively over represented in CSE and make almost all if not 100% of the gang rapists?

How many politicians talking about Black criminal gang raping culture culture?

Is Trevor Phillips defending Black gang rapists when he deflects to Asians grooming? or is the media or the Politicians?
 
mani1 said:
If they have been accepted how many of these have you personally seen?

How many of the above for Blacks? in fact did you know Blacks are massively over represented in CSE and make almost all if not 100% of the gang rapists?

How many politicians talking about Black criminal gang raping culture culture?

Is Trevor Phillips defending Black gang rapists when he deflects to Asians grooming? or is the media or the Politicians?
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Am telling you that I accept their transgressions can't speak for others, however why are you using them to defend asian grooming and deflecting from asians who comit the grooming crime?
 
mani1 said:
David Cameron...........

What do you suggest the Asian community do that hasn't already been done?
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To start off with from your POV you should stop being so sympathetic towards those asians who comit the crime, that would be a nice start mate you need to realise the root cause of everything before blaming whites, blacks and the media
 
shaz619 said:
To start off with from your POV you should stop being so sympathetic towards those asians who comit the crime, that would be a nice start mate you need to realise the root cause of everything before blaming whites, blacks and the media
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I live in Bradford mate there has not been one conviction of a grooming gang and figures released show Blacks as the the most over represented.

I will ask again What do you suggest the Asian community do that hasn't already been done?
 
mani1 said:
I live in Bradford mate there has not been one conviction of a grooming gang and figures released show Blacks as the the most over represented.

I will ask again What do you suggest the Asian community do that hasn't already been done?
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I think that a change in mindset would be nice to start off with, there must be others like you out there who will always bring x, y or z rather then focusing on the crime itself. 100% condemnation of these evil people would be brilliant! In the end it is these groomers fault why the community's name gets dragged through the dirt so I find it shocking that people always come up with excuses or justifications. I think that molvi's especially need to speak out emphatically against these people in the inner city's, everyone prays jumma even the sinners; 90% off the time instead of focussing on issues which don't affect us in Britain like petty wars, they should address issues within the community. Now it might seem miniscule but the movli in every area generally commands everyone's respect and am sure you know that to, but it's not something which they are keen to talk about. Even if there are a small number of people who comit these grooming crime, it still won't hurt to address what has gone wrong. And I say this not just with regards to grooming but also other typical inner city crimes, there have been instances when they've been addressed but not always.
 
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And may I add, Amir Khan posts a Christmas tree and british muslim social media gets mad but these asians here comit grooming crimes and no one will give as much of a damn. These are the people who really are toxic in the community not an Olympian/Ex-Pro-Champ on I'm a celeb tv show. It just goes to show how people approach these matters [MENTION=136193]Adil_94[/MENTION]
 
there is a gross over representation of Asian men when it comes to grooming. i think that comes down to guys just seeing these girls as meat from their own upbringing in sexually repressed cultures in the midst of a sexually liberal society.
 
shaz619 said:
So white's need to address the pedo problems, blacks the gang rapes. Yep totally agree.
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When was the last time you saw headlines blaming whites for paedo crimes or blacks for gang rapes? I don't think they are being addressed as a racial trait, that is the problem.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
When was the last time you saw headlines blaming whites for paedo crimes or blacks for gang rapes? I don't think they are being addressed as a racial trait, that is the problem.
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They don't, I was just responding to how am against those crimes as well when they were bought up to defend the asian grooming ones.
 
shaz619 said:
They don't, I was just responding to how am against those crimes as well when they were bought up to defend the asian grooming ones.
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I don't know why you keep saying anyone is defending grooming, what I object to is the racial profiling which isn't applied in other cases. Not the same thing at all. This is merely a call for equality across the board, how can that be a bad thing?
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
I don't know why you keep saying anyone is defending grooming, what I object to is the racial profiling which isn't applied in other cases. Not the same thing at all. This is merely a call for equality across the board, how can that be a bad thing?
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No that's not a bad thing at all and the media should be objective. But the media did not influence those men to commit the crimes did they?
 
Adil_94 said:
there is a gross over representation of Asian men when it comes to grooming. i think that comes down to guys just seeing these girls as meat from their own upbringing in sexually repressed cultures in the midst of a sexually liberal society.
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That's a theory which has been professed by mostly white media commentators and their acolytes, but I don't think it stands up. If that was the case why would you need to target girls in social care programs? If white girls are easy meat as it were, why go through a long process of grooming? People who indulge in grooming, whatever their background, usually are very calculating and predatory. Linking foreign culture to it is not doing society any favours in my opinion.
 
[MENTION=48620]Cpt. Rishwat[/MENTION] because those girls in care are easier to get access too esp in the trades a lot of these groomers do in taxi and takeaways they are out late at night. and because they dont have a family who are gonna kick up a fuss about them. you try that stuff with someone from a normal background u would get caught a lot easier. being a predator doesnt mean you are stupid. there is a disproportionate number of these guys from small towns with introverted communities rather than say larger cities n towns. u dont hear this stuff in London or Bham which in pure numbers have more asians than say rotherham or keighley or huddersfield. most are from the gen that would get married off "back home" to a cousin and be in a sexless marriage. most guys would just get a gf or go to visit an escort but obvs these guys with some sicker tendencies target teenage girls. they obvs get a kick of the power trip and the ego boost it gives em. but i defo think the cultural experience a lot of these guys have beinh brought up thinking a females worth is in how much she covers up does shape their mindset. its not uncommon for asian guys esp from these type of areas to view goriya as easy meat. same way id say aspects of inner city black culture do glorify violence misogny and being a thug which has led to the disproportionate number of black men who are convicted in robbery n violence based offences. obvs socio economic factors influence this too but so does the prevalent mindset. but yeah u have to be careful how u word this so as to deal with a problem and not generalise say all black men as potential thieves or thugs or south asian men as a sexual threat to white girls
 
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[MENTION=48620]Cpt. Rishwat[/MENTION] because those girls in care are easier to get access too esp in the trades a lot of these groomers do in taxi and takeaways they are out late at night. and because they dont have a family who are gonna kick up a fuss about them. you try that stuff with someone from a normal background u would get caught a lot easier. being a predator doesnt mean you are stupid. there is a disproportionate number of these guys from small towns with introverted communities rather than say larger cities n towns. u dont hear this stuff in London or Bham which in pure numbers have more asians than say rotherham or keighley or huddersfield. most are from the gen that would get married off "back home" to a cousin and be in a sexless marriage. most guys would just get a gf or go to visit an escort but obvs these guys with some sicker tendencies target teenage girls. they obvs get a kick of the power trip and the ego boost it gives em. but i defo think the cultural experience a lot of these guys have beinh brought up thinking a females worth is in how much she covers up does shape their mindset. its not uncommon for asian guys esp from these type of areas to view goriya as easy meat. same way id say aspects of inner city black culture do glorify violence misogny and being a thug which has led to the disproportionate number of black men who are convicted in robbery n violence based offences. obvs socio economic factors influence this too but so does the prevalent mindset. but yeah u have to be careful how u word this so as to deal with a problem and not generalise say all black men as potential thieves or thugs or south asian men as a sexual threat to white girls
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It has happened in London there are multiple cases

here is one

Five men groomed and raped young girls while running a child prostitution ring, a court heard today.

They are accused of preying on “vulnerable” girls, befriending them and offering them alcohol and drugs, before carrying out sexual assaults on them. Some were repeatedly raped while others were either bought or sold for sex while underage, jurors were told.

The men, all Asian, are facing a total of 17 charges relating to offences carried out on six teenagers over a 12-month period in Ilford and Barking.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/cri...-and-then-raped-vulnerable-girls-8644315.html

Bham is on the list on the OP
 
Adil_94 said:
[MENTION=48620]Cpt. Rishwat[/MENTION] because those girls in care are easier to get access too esp in the trades a lot of these groomers do in taxi and takeaways they are out late at night. and because they dont have a family who are gonna kick up a fuss about them. you try that stuff with someone from a normal background u would get caught a lot easier. being a predator doesnt mean you are stupid. there is a disproportionate number of these guys from small towns with introverted communities rather than say larger cities n towns. u dont hear this stuff in London or Bham which in pure numbers have more asians than say rotherham or keighley or huddersfield. most are from the gen that would get married off "back home" to a cousin and be in a sexless marriage. most guys would just get a gf or go to visit an escort but obvs these guys with some sicker tendencies target teenage girls. they obvs get a kick of the power trip and the ego boost it gives em. but i defo think the cultural experience a lot of these guys have beinh brought up thinking a females worth is in how much she covers up does shape their mindset. its not uncommon for asian guys esp from these type of areas to view goriya as easy meat. same way id say aspects of inner city black culture do glorify violence misogny and being a thug which has led to the disproportionate number of black men who are convicted in robbery n violence based offences. obvs socio economic factors influence this too but so does the prevalent mindset. but yeah u have to be careful how u word this so as to deal with a problem and not generalise say all black men as potential thieves or thugs or south asian men as a sexual threat to white girls
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I an second generation Pak-Brit, I have direct experience of those from the first generation getting with white girls and there are many mixed race kids from my generation as proof of it. I don't recall any need to resort to grooming back then, most of the desi guys didn't have a problem pulling, even if the girl was probably not exactly an English rose. The grooming seems to be more prevalent in current times so the link to culture is dubious as far as I can see.

That said we can only speak of our own personal experiences, just because my cultural background didn't involve much grooming or viewing white girls as a piece of meat, your experience might be different. As you were brought up in an "introverted community" then your experience and first hand knowledge would be invaluable.
 
@Cpt.Rishwat i wasnt brought up in an introverted community the schools i went to were mixed. in bradford you hear very little of these grooming scandals e compared to the number of brit paks there are here the main issue here for us here is drug dealing and wannabe thuggish behaviour which comes from aping african american thug culture. but its not an uncommon opinion to here guys ive grown up with think that about white women but most of em wont become groomers they will just go get a white gf. some of these guys who cant pull and are creeps go for teenage girls. Like you have said previously u now live in a leafy village in the home counties where your interactions with asians is very limited nowadays and the ones u will meet are affluent n middle class like yourself. so i can get why this is very alien for you in these parts of the country when you are living in a nice village having tea n crumpets with John n Liz.
 
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@Cpt.Rishwat i wasnt brought up in an introverted community the schools i went to were mixed. in bradford you hear very little of these grooming scandals e compared to the number of brit paks there are here the main issue here for us here is drug dealing and wannabe thuggish behaviour which comes from aping african american thug culture. but its not an uncommon opinion to here guys ive grown up with think that about white women but most of em wont become groomers they will just go get a white gf. some of these guys who cant pull and are creeps go for teenage girls. Like you have said previously u now live in a leafy village in the home counties where your interactions with asians is very limited nowadays and the ones u will meet are affluent n middle class like yourself. so i can get why this is very alien for you in these parts of the country when you are living in a nice village having tea n crumpets with John n Liz.
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I don't live in a village, I live in an nice suburb outside of the main city, but yes my interaction with other desis is limited. That said, I grew up in the city, and there was no talk of grooming in the community back then, so it seems it might be a more recent phenomenon. The Pakistani community I mixed in were mostly business minded, and making money was the main concern.

Even your experience seems limited though, you are saying you weren't brought up in the introverted communities you were describing, what we really need is someone to put their hand up and say that's us. As long as it's always someone else to blame, very difficult to address this as far as I can see.
 
Out of interest Shaz...

I remember you attacking me when I suggested issues of culture are relevant in terms of things like education...you suggested I was bigoted when I asked why Nigerians are more educationally successful than say Jamaicans...or why Pakistanis perform worse than Gujurati Indians...

Yet on this topic if i'm not misunderstood you are suggesting that statistics are worth examining as is culture?...
 
shaykh said:
Out of interest Shaz...

I remember you attacking me when I suggested issues of culture are relevant in terms of things like education...you suggested I was bigoted when I asked why Nigerians are more educationally successful than say Jamaicans...or why Pakistanis perform worse than Gujurati Indians...

Yet on this topic if i'm not misunderstood you are suggesting that statistics are worth examining as is culture?...
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100% misunderstood, I don't take back that bigot comment directed at you
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Nope, and neither did I or any other Pakistani/Asian I associate with.
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Nobody said that though. And the media didn't influence those crimes either. But we should focus on the crime itself, why they were comited and ways to improve
 
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I think Shaykh is an English teacher lmao the Carson Jones of careers what a waste :mv. You're going to get outperformed by people with severe learning differences lmao
 
shaz619 said:
100% misunderstood, I don't take back that bigot comment directed at you
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If there is overrepresentation among a certain group then is it is relevant or not?...and if so in what way?...
 
shaz619 said:
I think Shaykh is an English teacher lmao the Carson Jones of careers what a waste :mv. You're going to get outperformed by people with severe learning differences lmao
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And what is it that you do for a living Shaz?...
 
shaykh said:
If there is overrepresentation among a certain group then is it is relevant or not?...and if so in what way?...
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shaykh said:
And what is it that you do for a living Shaz?...
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They are two completely different topics, I haven't mentioned any numbers in this thread but my point is that there's no harm in looking at ways to potentially prevent said crimes in the OP that's better then focusing on media bias or the crimes of other communities which are not relevant. And the old topic, how you gauge success can't be measured by mere statistics which can be found on both ends of the argument but am sure I told you that a million times already, English teachers man :facepalm:

Graduate Rocket Scientist
 
To be fair I think English is a very good career went below the belt for fun :yk money overseas is amazing as well
 
We had a massive issue regarding this in Australia, particularly the late 90s and early 00s.

However the main culprits were Lebanese gangs (there were a few minor cases of Pakistanis involved). It has dropped significantly after judges started throwing 40-50 year jail terms to these young convicted rapists. I don't agree with the jail terms but it does seem like it worked as a deterrent.

I think my main concern is, why do certain cultural groups make up such a large proportion of certain crimes. In Australia the majority of middle eastern muslim immigrants come from Lebanon, while in the UK I am guessing its Pakistanis? Is there a connection here.

The goal of the Pakistani/Muslim communities should be to figure out what the issue is stemming from and then tackle the issue head on with education and detterents.

My personal opinion is that this may be a case of racism against whites due to cultural/religious elitism, plus a certain level of sociopathic tendencies. I have personally seen young Arab or Pakistani men disrespect white women because they see them as inferior to their own women, mainly due to their differences in morals and sexual liberalism. Women and their modesty/respectfulness are such a big cornerstone of these particular cultures so when immigrants see the opposite in other cultures they may see the women of those cultures as easier to manipulate and a free for all.

Another reason could be that a lot of these men are not racist but just sexually driven sociopaths and in another world they would target women of any community, however the reason they may be targeting white women is because if they targeted women in their own communities there would be a much bigger retaliation and blacklisting from within their own communities.

The biggest issue to me is that these women are all underage, which makes it a case of not only exploitation but also pedophilia. How are they able to justify this in their own minds and do they feel remorse or do they feel they have not done anything wrong. A psychologist could be used to further investigate these groups and see if their are any similar though patterns or disorders.
 
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humzy said:
We had a massive issue regarding this in Australia, particularly the late 90s and early 00s.

However the main culprits were Lebanese gangs (there were a few minor cases of Pakistanis involved). It has dropped significantly after judges started throwing 40-50 year jail terms to these young convicted rapists. I don't agree with the jail terms but it does seem like it worked as a deterrent.

I think my main concern is, why do certain cultural groups make up such a large proportion of certain crimes. In Australia the majority of middle eastern muslim immigrants come from Lebanon, while in the UK I am guessing its Pakistanis? Is there a connection here.

The goal of the Pakistani/Muslim communities should be to figure out what the issue is stemming from and then tackle the issue head on with education and detterents.

My personal opinion is that this may be a case of racism against whites due to cultural/religious elitism, plus a certain level of sociopathic tendencies. I have personally seen young Arab or Pakistani men disrespect white women because they see them as inferior to their own women, mainly due to their differences in morals and sexual liberalism. Women and their modesty/respectfulness are such a big cornerstone of these particular cultures so when immigrants see the opposite in other cultures they may see the women of those cultures as easier to manipulate and a free for all.

Another reason could be that a lot of these men are not racist but just sexually driven sociopaths and in another world they would target women of any community, however the reason they may be targeting white women is because if they targeted women in their own communities there would be a much bigger retaliation and blacklisting from within their own communities.

The biggest issue to me is that these women are all underage, which makes it a case of not only exploitation but also pedophilia. How are they able to justify this in their own minds and do they feel remorse or do they feel they have not done anything wrong. A psychologist could be used to further investigate these groups and see if their are any similar though patterns or disorders.
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How did the Lebanese communities address this in their own communities Humzy? Assuming they did at all of course. Seems to me the biggest factor in bringing an end to this was the huge and disproportionate jail sentences of 40-50 years, which confirms in my own mind that the best way to deal with this is as a criminal matter.
 
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How did the Lebanese communities address this in their own communities Humzy? Assuming they did at all of course. Seems to me the biggest factor in bringing an end to this was the huge and disproportionate jail sentences of 40-50 years, which confirms in my own mind that the best way to deal with this is as a criminal matter.
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I would say that the new laws that were put in place to handle these particular cases were the major deterrent rather then the lebanese community itself.

The community as a whole denounced these actions and distanced themselves from the issue but never actually delved deeper and i think this is a mistake.

Also women in general were a lot more cautious around certain racial stereotypes which i witnessed first hand after the rape cases which may have helped decrease the amount of these cases after the initial ones.

I should add that it seems as though there are a lot more of these crimes taking place in the UK today compared to Australia in the early 2000s and our country immediately put in place new extreme laws to handle the groups of rapists. It should be noted that a lot of them were ages 16-20. It looks like a lot of these Pakistani grooming gangs involve much older men which makes it even more disturbing.
 
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humzy said:
I would say that the new laws that were put in place to handle these particular cases were the major deterrent rather then the lebanese community itself.

The community as a whole denounced these actions and distanced themselves from the issue but never actually delved deeper and i think this is a mistake.

Also women in general were a lot more cautious around certain racial stereotypes which i witnessed first hand after the rape cases which may have helped decrease the amount of these cases after the initial ones.

I should add that it seems as though there are a lot more of these crimes taking place in the UK today compared to Australia in the early 2000s and our country immediately put in place new extreme laws to handle the groups of rapists. It should be noted that a lot of them were ages 16-20. It looks like a lot of these Pakistani grooming gangs involve much older men which makes it even more disturbing.
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It's no surprise that women were more cautious around racial stereotypes, it's a natural reaction born of fear. Once you associate a negative trait to a race then you can't really blame the women for wanting to avoid that situation. I imagine that is what it was/is like for people venturing into black areas in some parts of London or Manchester.

Good to hear that at least the Lebanese denounced and tried to distance themselves from the actions of the criminals. When you say they should have delved deeper, what did you have in mind?
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
It's no surprise that women were more cautious around racial stereotypes, it's a natural reaction born of fear. Once you associate a negative trait to a race then you can't really blame the women for wanting to avoid that situation. I imagine that is what it was/is like for people venturing into black areas in some parts of London or Manchester.

Good to hear that at least the Lebanese denounced and tried to distance themselves from the actions of the criminals. When you say they should have delved deeper, what did you have in mind?
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its the responsibility of community leaders to tackle these issues within their own communities head on rather then distance themselves from the issue.

Judges in the case stated that there may be racist and cultural undertones behind these gang rapes of specifically white women. This was based on the case evidence and conduct of the perpetrators throughout the court case..

Community leaders should have further examined this outcome and then instated a think tank or community education program for youth in regards to outward racism and sexual misconduct.

I am almost 100% positive that government institutes would have heavily invested in any of these ideas.
 
humzy said:
We had a massive issue regarding this in Australia, particularly the late 90s and early 00s.

However the main culprits were Lebanese gangs (there were a few minor cases of Pakistanis involved). It has dropped significantly after judges started throwing 40-50 year jail terms to these young convicted rapists. I don't agree with the jail terms but it does seem like it worked as a deterrent.

I think my main concern is, why do certain cultural groups make up such a large proportion of certain crimes. In Australia the majority of middle eastern muslim immigrants come from Lebanon, while in the UK I am guessing its Pakistanis? Is there a connection here.

The goal of the Pakistani/Muslim communities should be to figure out what the issue is stemming from and then tackle the issue head on with education and detterents.

My personal opinion is that this may be a case of racism against whites due to cultural/religious elitism, plus a certain level of sociopathic tendencies. I have personally seen young Arab or Pakistani men disrespect white women because they see them as inferior to their own women, mainly due to their differences in morals and sexual liberalism. Women and their modesty/respectfulness are such a big cornerstone of these particular cultures so when immigrants see the opposite in other cultures they may see the women of those cultures as easier to manipulate and a free for all.

Another reason could be that a lot of these men are not racist but just sexually driven sociopaths and in another world they would target women of any community, however the reason they may be targeting white women is because if they targeted women in their own communities there would be a much bigger retaliation and blacklisting from within their own communities.

The biggest issue to me is that these women are all underage, which makes it a case of not only exploitation but also pedophilia. How are they able to justify this in their own minds and do they feel remorse or do they feel they have not done anything wrong. A psychologist could be used to further investigate these groups and see if their are any similar though patterns or disorders.
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I don't see how this is racially motivated, the Lebanese are seen as white in America and legally white like the Greeks and Italians. These gangsters prey on women regardless of race, of course most women in England and Australlia are non middle eastern therefore their victims will be almost entirely from that demographic.
 
Pakistanian said:
I don't see how this is racially motivated, the Lebanese are seen as white in America and legally white like the Greeks and Italians. These gangsters prey on women regardless of race, of course most women in England and Australlia are non middle eastern therefore their victims will be almost entirely from that demographic.
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We are talking about Australia not America though.

Lebanese are not seen as white here, and they don't consider themselves white either.
 
humzy said:
its the responsibility of community leaders to tackle these issues within their own communities head on rather then distance themselves from the issue.

Judges in the case stated that there may be racist and cultural undertones behind these gang rapes of specifically white women. This was based on the case evidence and conduct of the perpetrators throughout the court case..

Community leaders should have further examined this outcome and then instated a think tank or community education program for youth in regards to outward racism and sexual misconduct.

I am almost 100% positive that government institutes would have heavily invested in any of these ideas.
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So who would be the community leaders in that case? Do the Lebanese have an influential body that could make an impact?
 
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