Asians make up 80% of child groomers – study

[Cpt. Rishwat]

There seems to be a combination of factors regarding these gangs.

- networks of Muslim men from D and E socioeconomic groups
- night time economy, related to minicams and takeaways
- contempt for Western women‘s mode of dress and sexual mores
- white girls from vulnerable backgrounds victimised

One thing which has puzzled me about this grooming business is how it seems to have spread to different Asian communities across England. Almost like there was some sort of loose organisation which has links around the country all working from the same blueprint.

Then I figured it's more likely just word of mouth, similar to how white chavs and old men go to certain countries in Asia like the Phillipines or Thailand to fulfil their desires. Scumbags will always find a way.

 

[Napa]

Interesting that BBC has stopped calling the groomers "Asian" and now refers to them as "British citizens of Pakistani origin".

Asia is a very large place with more than 4.5 billion population, about 23 times Pakistan's population. Maybe in Britain "Asian" refers primarily to "South Asian", but even if you consider South Asia, Pakistanis are only about 10% of that group.

 

[TSA321]

Interesting that BBC has stopped calling the groomers "Asian"

No they haven't.

 

[Kashmirilion]

There seems to be a combination of factors regarding these gangs.

- networks of Muslim men from D and E socioeconomic groups
- night time economy, related to minicams and takeaways
- contempt for Western women‘s mode of dress and sexual mores
- white girls from vulnerable backgrounds victimised

Muslim men? It's mainly men from Pakistani background who happen to be Muslim but none of these acts represent a Muslim. Funny how when white/black person does it their ethnicity is mentioned when brown man does it his religion is mentioned..

 

[Abdul]

Not surprised.

 

[Pakistanian]

Not surprised.

It's fake news, don't believe the white nationalists manipulating the numbers.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Interesting that BBC has stopped calling the groomers "Asian" and now refers to them as "British citizens of Pakistani origin".

Asia is a very large place with more than 4.5 billion population, about 23 times Pakistan's population. Maybe in Britain "Asian" refers primarily to "South Asian", but even if you consider South Asia, Pakistanis are only about 10% of that group.

Asian is a generic term, and a correct one at that. As such Asians as a whole don't have any problem with the use of the term so why would the BBC change anything? Perhaps you are reading too much into singular headlines.

 

[Abid Z]

In the news again.

I didn’t realise jimmy saville was Asian. You learn something new everyday

 

[Ronaldo7]

I don't understand why Indians, who don't even live in the UK, care about what the BBC calls them.
In this case, they're just saying "asians" not "Indians" so what's the problem?
Are they singling out Indians?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

These monsters see skimpily-dressed girls as fair game.

How do you know they were skimpily dressed?

 

[Napa]

I don't understand why Indians, who don't even live in the UK, care about what the BBC calls them.
In this case, they're just saying "asians" not "Indians" so what's the problem?
Are they singling out Indians?

It is similar to Northern Italians not wanting to be grouped with Sicilians and Neapolitans when the US media says that the Mafia are "Italians" rather than "Sicilians and Neapolitans".

 

[Local.Dada]

I don't understand why Indians, who don't even live in the UK, care about what the BBC calls them.
In this case, they're just saying "asians" not "Indians" so what's the problem?
Are they singling out Indians?

No because this seems to be a problem (pay close attention to my words because you might misconstrue what I say) with a certain section of the British Pakistani community (again a certain section being the key word) so yes it is offensive if Indians who are known to keep their heads down and do their job are clubbed together with these stains on humanity (again just these types of folk and not the entire Brit Pak community)

Sometimes it helps to acknowledge a problem and stick to the core of the issue than sugar coat it and use terms like Asians,folks from sc etc

 

[Knight_Rider]

No because this seems to be a problem (pay close attention to my words because you might misconstrue what I say) with a certain section of the British Pakistani community (again a certain section being the key word) so yes it is offensive if Indians who are known to keep their heads down and do their job are clubbed together with these stains on humanity (again just these types of folk and not the entire Brit Pak community)

Sometimes it helps to acknowledge a problem and stick to the core of the issue than sugar coat it and use terms like Asians,folks from sc etc

Do you think this problem is exclusive to British Pakistanis?

If so, have a good read and pay attention to the origins of the convicted:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-sanctuary-shelter-muslim-asian-a8225106.html

It says:
“.. Of eight victims covered in the trials, six were white and two were of African heritage, while the perpetrators came from a diverse range of backgrounds including Pakistani, Bangladeshi, <b> Indian, </b> Iranian, Iraqi, Kurdish, Turkish, Albanian and Eastern European....”

India is known for rapes and sexual violence (incl. that of minors). Its repeatedly in the news. So time to get off your high horses.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

No because this seems to be a problem (pay close attention to my words because you might misconstrue what I say) with a certain section of the British Pakistani community (again a certain section being the key word) so yes it is offensive if Indians who are known to keep their heads down and do their job are clubbed together with these stains on humanity (again just these types of folk and not the entire Brit Pak community)

Sometimes it helps to acknowledge a problem and stick to the core of the issue than sugar coat it and use terms like Asians,folks from sc etc

Problem is Brits don't really care about Indian opinions on this matter. As far as they are concerned Asians is a generic term and most of them would just be wondering why are Indians bothered about the use of the term Asian when Sri Lankans, Bangladeshis, Chinese, Koreans, Iranians etc, don't bat an eyelid?

 

[Ronaldo7]

No because this seems to be a problem (pay close attention to my words because you might misconstrue what I say) with a certain section of the British Pakistani community (again a certain section being the key word) so yes it is offensive if Indians who are known to keep their heads down and do their job are clubbed together with these stains on humanity (again just these types of folk and not the entire Brit Pak community)

Sometimes it helps to acknowledge a problem and stick to the core of the issue than sugar coat it and use terms like Asians,folks from sc etc

But it is not only a "British Pakistani" problem.

There are many Indian child groomers too.

So shouldn't people like the Indonesians, Chinese etc. be offended that they're being grouped with these?

Actually, even if they say that the British Pakistanis are the groomers, you can argue why are they labelling all the british Pakistanis in the same group. Why are they not saying British Mirpuris (apparently most of the British Pakistani groomers are Mirpuris)?
Shouldn't a Pakistani Punjabi like me be offended?

 

[Napa]

Do you think this problem is exclusive to British Pakistanis?

If so, have a good read and pay attention to the origins of the convicted:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-sanctuary-shelter-muslim-asian-a8225106.html

It says:
“.. Of eight victims covered in the trials, six were white and two were of African heritage, while the perpetrators came from a diverse range of backgrounds including Pakistani, Bangladeshi, <b> Indian, </b> Iranian, Iraqi, Kurdish, Turkish, Albanian and Eastern European....”

India is known for rapes and sexual violence (incl. that of minors). Its repeatedly in the news. So time to get off your high horses.

Look at the actual names of those convicted and you will see the vast majority are from the country listed first in non-alphabetical order in your post.

BBC now is trying to be a bit more accurate, saying that the groomers are "mostly British citizens of Pakistani origin" rather than use the term "Asian".

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-51467518

As for India being unsafe for women, that is fake news. The actual data says that India is one of the safest countries for women, #94 in terms of the rate of rapes. Many rapes that happen in India get wide publicity while in many other countries they do not merit a mention in the press.

https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Rape-rate

 

[Napa]

But it is not only a "British Pakistani" problem.

There are many Indian child groomers too.

So shouldn't people like the Indonesians, Chinese etc. be offended that they're being grouped with these?

Actually, even if they say that the British Pakistanis are the groomers, you can argue why are they labelling all the british Pakistanis in the same group. Why are they not saying British Mirpuris (apparently most of the British Pakistani groomers are Mirpuris)?
Shouldn't a Pakistani Punjabi like me be offended?

If the groomers are mostly British Mirpuris, then a Pakistani Punjabi like you has every right to be offended. No one desires to be associated with these sort of activities.

 

[Knight_Rider]

Look at the actual names of those convicted and you will see the vast majority are from the country listed first in non-alphabetical order in your post.

BBC now is trying to be a bit more accurate, saying that the groomers are "mostly British citizens of Pakistani origin" rather than use the term "Asian".

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-51467518

As for India being unsafe for women, that is fake news. The actual data says that India is one of the safest countries for women, #94 in terms of the rate of rapes. Many rapes that happen in India get wide publicity while in many other countries they do not merit a mention in the press.

https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Rape-rate

You are wrong. Read this:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurab...ces-for-women-travelers-and-how-to-stay-safe/

And this:
https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/india/safety-and-security

Sexual violence in India is frequently in the news and you are well aware of it.

In the above Rochdale grooming example, yes it was more men of Pakistani origin but the point is that its not just limited to one nationality. Indians are also involved (just like they are back in India).

 

[Knight_Rider]

Look at the actual names of those convicted and you will see the vast majority are from the country listed first in non-alphabetical order in your post.

BBC now is trying to be a bit more accurate, saying that the groomers are "mostly British citizens of Pakistani origin" rather than use the term "Asian".

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-51467518

As for India being unsafe for women, that is fake news. The actual data says that India is one of the safest countries for women, #94 in terms of the rate of rapes. Many rapes that happen in India get wide publicity while in many other countries they do not merit a mention in the press.

https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Rape-rate

And what a joke of a source is that link that you posted. Do you really believe that all the civilized 1st world countries like US, Germany, France and Canada have a higher sexual offence rate than a 3rd world country like India?

Better to check the stuff first before posting.

 

[Local.Dada]

You are wrong. Read this:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurab...ces-for-women-travelers-and-how-to-stay-safe/

And this:
https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/india/safety-and-security

Sexual violence in India is frequently in the news and you are well aware of it.

In the above Rochdale grooming example, yes it was more men of Pakistani origin but the point is that its not just limited to one nationality. Indians are also involved (just like they are back in India).

As dumb and sensationalist as Indian media can be the Delhi rape got immense coverage and even the recent rape in Hyderabad.

The rapists are sentenced to death and the ones in Hyderabad were encountered by the police.


Indian Media doesn’t work with an agenda atleast when it comes to such incidents and these are exposed by the media without fear.

Now obviously I am not in denial that women’s safety can be an issue in certain places.

What happened to the rapists of the Hindu Girl who got raped in the medical college in Pakistan recently? How many debates or how much coverage did it get? Media obviously doesn’t tell a lot of truth in Pakistan where the institutions are probably run my the army or govt.

Don’t even compare the freedom of press in India to Pakistan. So yeah when I hear news like “all iz well in Pak but india is crumbling” news from a Pakistan source,excuse me but I will take it with a pinch of salt.

 

[Knight_Rider]

Who said all is well in Pakistan? Ofcourse there is a problem that needs to be dealt in a strict manner.

You are the one whining and suggesting that its only limited to Pakistanis. That’s why next time it will be better to think before you ve egg on your face.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Look at the actual names of those convicted and you will see the vast majority are from the country listed first in non-alphabetical order in your post.

BBC now is trying to be a bit more accurate, saying that the groomers are "mostly British citizens of Pakistani origin" rather than use the term "Asian".

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-51467518

As for India being unsafe for women, that is fake news. The actual data says that India is one of the safest countries for women, #94 in terms of the rate of rapes. Many rapes that happen in India get wide publicity while in many other countries they do not merit a mention in the press.

https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Rape-rate

The BBC is right to be careful. They don't wan't to go down the redneck route of labelling a particular race or community with a stereotype like we used to have with blacks being associated with crime and violence. It wasn't that long ago that British police chiefs wanted the right to stop and search random black people on the basis that they were the ones most likely to be involved in crime.

This is probably how the Nazis built up a general hatred against Jews in the 20th century. First you demonise, then you are justified in mob lynchings and ethnic cleansing like we see in some parts of the subcontinent.

 

[Napa]

You are wrong. Read this:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurab...ces-for-women-travelers-and-how-to-stay-safe/

And this:
https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/india/safety-and-security

Sexual violence in India is frequently in the news and you are well aware of it.

In the above Rochdale grooming example, yes it was more men of Pakistani origin but the point is that its not just limited to one nationality. Indians are also involved (just like they are back in India).

Yeah, I know. The articles you cited are opinions based on media induced hysteria. The Forbes article you linked actually talks about terrorist attacks rather than gender violence "country continues to experience terrorist activities that may impact U.S. citizens".

The actual data (see the link in my earlier post) says that India is one of the safest countries for women. This is consistent with India's low rate for the other extreme crime, murder.

https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Murder-rate

 

[Slog]

Yeah, I know. The articles you cited are opinions based on media induced hysteria. The Forbes article you linked actually talks about terrorist attacks rather than gender violence "country continues to experience terrorist activities that may impact U.S. citizens".

The actual data (see the link in my earlier post) says that India is one of the safest countries for women. This is consistent with India's low rate for the other extreme crime, murder.

https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Murder-rate

Rates of reporting in India and South Asia in general is very low

 

[Local.Dada]

How does attacking incidents of rape in India which is a obviously a disgusting act regardless of nationality and religion mask the fact that most if not all of these guys are British Pakistani origin.

No one is pointing out fingers at the entire community but there is unemployment,crime,mental issues and lack of education prevalent in this demography that results in such things.

So wouldn’t it help if this acts as a reminder to the hard working, educated elite in this community to contribute in a positive manner and bring awareness to these problems?

So yes instead of masking this as Asian or south Asian or Indian subcontinent problem it should be acknowledged as a British Pakistani problem.

As Ronaldo (the poster) said above May be as a Murpuri problem which would be fine too.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Following on from my previous post about labelling blacks as crime ridden communities, I should mention that the subcontinent has a reputation for also being racist towards dark skin tones. Mira Nair the American Indian director made a very powerful film, Mississipi Masala about an Indian woman who had an affair with an African American, and how she was shunned by her outraged family as a result.

This is why we should be wary of following advice from racist communities eager to label other communities according to nationality, religion or race. There can often be an ugly motive hiding behind the seemingly innocuous 'facts' presented.

 

[Ronaldo7]

If the groomers are mostly British Mirpuris, then a Pakistani Punjabi like you has every right to be offended. No one desires to be associated with these sort of activities.

No i shouldn't and i don't because a Mirpuri is still an asian.

It's not like we're using the word "asian" when the culprits are actually white men.

Pakistanis are asians. So there's nothing wrong in saying "asian grooming gangs" as with other issues too.

If they say all asians are groomers then that is when it becomes a problem

 

[Knight_Rider]

Mirpuris are perfectly fine. Vast majority of them are hard working and simple people. Bad apples exist in every community and here an example:
https://www.nationalcrimeagency.gov...und-with-2m-haul-of-drugs-and-50k-cash-jailed

 

[chacha kashmiri]

One thing which has puzzled me about this grooming business is how it seems to have spread to different Asian communities across England. Almost like there was some sort of loose organisation which has links around the country all working from the same blueprint.

Then I figured it's more likely just word of mouth, similar to how white chavs and old men go to certain countries in Asia like the Phillipines or Thailand to fulfil their desires. Scumbags will always find a way.

Having worked in the NHS I see how readily available sex advice and condoms are as well as tests for stds
There needs to be more education in the asain community about marrying girls they take off the streets rather than just using them and trafikking them
Not sure where this mindset is taken from and the young girls need to be protected and taken into homes where they will be cherished and looked after.

If you look at university students and how well looked after they are by student unions and reps it's a shame the same community isn't available for young alienated girls away from home abused for their body.

 

[Napa]

And what a joke of a source is that link that you posted. Do you really believe that all the civilized 1st world countries like US, Germany, France and Canada have a higher sexual offence rate than a 3rd world country like India?

Better to check the stuff first before posting.

Apparently if you don't like a source like Nationmaster, it becomes a "joke". If you have an alternative source, you can check that. Nationmaster actually has 2 matches in top five google searches for "country statistics". Another top match is Yale University Library which links to Nationmaster for crime statistics.

https://guides.library.yale.edu/c.php?g=595576&p=4297479

Yes, the US and other Western countries have a far higher rate of sexual offenses than India. This is due to the family ties being much stronger in India, and Indian men consequently not being alienated from the other gender.

Rates of reporting in India and South Asia in general is very low

That's why I also gave data for murders in India, the other extreme crime.

Rates of reporting are probably pretty low in other countries as well. Obama said 1 in 4 women in college gets assaulted, which would increase the rate to 5,000 per 100,000 and not 27 per 100,000 as reported by Nationmaster.

No i shouldn't and i don't because a Mirpuri is still an asian.

It's not like we're using the word "asian" when the culprits are actually white men.

Pakistanis are asians. So there's nothing wrong in saying "asian grooming gangs" as with other issues too.

If they say all asians are groomers then that is when it becomes a problem

See my earlier post about North Italians, Sicilians etc.

I think I have said all I would like to about this issue, be well all.

 

[Knight_Rider]

Apparently if you don't like a source like Nationmaster, it becomes a "joke". If you have an alternative source, you can check that. Nationmaster actually has 2 matches in top five google searches for "country statistics". Another top match is Yale University Library which links to Nationmaster for crime statistics.

https://guides.library.yale.edu/c.php?g=595576&p=4297479

Yes, the US and other Western countries have a far higher rate of sexual offenses than India. This is due to the family ties being much stronger in India, and Indian men consequently not being alienated from the other gender.



That's why I also gave data for murders in India, the other extreme crime.

Rates of reporting are probably pretty low in other countries as well. Obama said 1 in 4 women in college gets assaulted, which would increase the rate to 5,000 per 100,000 and not 27 per 100,000 as reported by Nationmaster.



See my earlier post about North Italians, Sicilians etc.

I think I have said all I would like to about this issue, be well all.

Typical indian mentality. Crime rates of all sorts (incl. the sexual crime like rape) is much much higher in a poor 3rd world country like India.

If your Mickey mouse source website is suggesting that US and Germany have significantly higher crime rates than India, than you know something isn't quite right (with both the source and yourself).

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Having worked in the NHS I see how readily available sex advice and condoms are as well as tests for stds
There needs to be more education in the asain community about marrying girls they take off the streets rather than just using them and trafikking them
Not sure where this mindset is taken from and the young girls need to be protected and taken into homes where they will be cherished and looked after.

If you look at university students and how well looked after they are by student unions and reps it's a shame the same community isn't available for young alienated girls away from home abused for their body.

POTW for me. A very considerate and responsible mindset, one which unfortunately seems to be absent from these lecherous beasts that we are talking about. You have really laid bare the moral bancruptcy of these low life scumbags.

 

[Abid Z]

Worrying that the home office now has the powers to strip these perpetrators of their British citizenship and send them to Pakistan (or whatever country of origin )

 

[Robert]

Muslim men? It's mainly men from Pakistani background who happen to be Muslim but none of these acts represent a Muslim. Funny how when white/black person does it their ethnicity is mentioned when brown man does it his religion is mentioned..

Don’t get defensive. This is cultural not religious. Contempt for the perceived lack of morality of non-Muslim women is there in these gangs. Listen to some testimony by the victims. There is an assumed moral superiority held by the abusers.

 

[Robert]

The BBC is right to be careful. They don't wan't to go down the redneck route of labelling a particular race or community with a stereotype like we used to have with blacks being associated with crime and violence. It wasn't that long ago that British police chiefs wanted the right to stop and search random black people on the basis that they were the ones most likely to be involved in crime.

This is probably how the Nazis built up a general hatred against Jews in the 20th century. First you demonise, then you are justified in mob lynchings and ethnic cleansing like we see in some parts of the subcontinent.

Black young men are still six times more likely to be stopsearched than white young men.

 

[Knight_Rider]

Don’t get defensive. This is cultural not religious. Contempt for the perceived lack of morality of non-Muslim women is there in these gangs. Listen to some testimony by the victims. There is an assumed moral superiority held by the abusers.

That’s not ok but do you think that its really that different in how Native brits look down upon people of other religions & culture?

Do you think this kind of prejudice and bias is just limited to 1 culture/community?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Worrying that the home office now has the powers to strip these perpetrators of their British citizenship and send them to Pakistan (or whatever country of origin )

I doubt that is true. Only if they hold dual citizenship I would have thought.

 

[Robert]

That’s not ok but do you think that its really that different in how Native brits look down upon people of other religions & culture?

Do you think this kind of prejudice and bias is just limited to 1 culture/community?

Most of the offenders under discussion are born Britons. Let us compare like with like. There are no gangs of “native Brits” - by which I assume you mean white people - seeking out young girls of another race and culture for rape. Of course there are white paedophile networks in the U.K. but they do not prey specifically on girls of other cultures.

Correct me if I am wrong but you seem to be applying moral relativism - are you saying that crime is crime and there should be no further investigation into why these gangs keep offending? Are poor white girls targeted purely because the offenders can groom them and separate them from their support networks more easily? Do the rapists tell themselves their victims are impure and deserve abuse, to assuage their own guilty consciences? How is HMPS able to rehabilitate these criminals without understanding their motivation?

 

[Abid Z]

I doubt that is true. Only if they hold dual citizenship I would have thought.

https://www.freemovement.org.uk/british-nationals-citizenship-deprivation/

It’s true and soaring.

 

[Knight_Rider]

Most of the offenders under discussion are born Britons. Let us compare like with like. There are no gangs of “native Brits” - by which I assume you mean white people - seeking out young girls of another race and culture for rape. Of course there are white paedophile networks in the U.K. but they do not prey specifically on girls of other cultures.

Correct me if I am wrong but you seem to be applying moral relativism - are you saying that crime is crime and there should be no further investigation into why these gangs keep offending? Are poor white girls targeted purely because the offenders can groom them and separate them from their support networks more easily? Do the rapists tell themselves their victims are impure and deserve abuse, to assuage their own guilty consciences? How is HMPS able to rehabilitate these criminals without understanding their motivation?

No, i am questioning the high moral ground you are holding. There are 2 parts of this:
1. Whether there is prejudice and racial profiling in committing the crime.
2. Whether the crime is limited to a certain community?

1. Yes ofcourse but then Racial profiling in committing “any type” of crime (or anything for that matter) is bad. There is targeted crime against asian households (e.g. gold and Jewlery theft), in job market discrimination etc. Also the native brits treated others like animals not too long ago be it aborigines in Australia or africans in Sub saharan africa. Dont you think people like Churchil and Cecil Rhodes should be openly condemned rather than celebrated as heroes?

2. Also good that you admit about white gangs and pedophiles active in many parts of the UK. Also take a look at this:

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...e-asians-we-dont-know-if-that-figure-is-right

Lastly, there is nothing wrong with analysing the root cause of crime on racial, religious like with an objective of eradicating the underlying issues BUT why is it always exclusively done against a certain community? Is there a hidden agenda that British press is following?
Why a knife crime in many parts of the country not labelled as ‘Christian Terrorism’ and so on. You get my drift.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

https://www.freemovement.org.uk/british-nationals-citizenship-deprivation/

It’s true and soaring.

From that article: The power only applied to those who acquired British citizenship by registration or naturalisation. British citizens by birth could not be deprived of their citizenship.

So it seems it applies to those who were granted citizenship after coming here as immigrants. I don't agree with it, because you are either a British citizen or you aren't, but it is hard to feel sympathy for these people if they are deported for this sort of behaviour.

That said, it hardly seems fair to inflict them back to the countries they originated from in Asia, because it sends the message that we don't think these pervs are good enough for our country, but your country is kinda crap so you can have them.

 

[Knight_Rider]

From that article: The power only applied to those who acquired British citizenship by registration or naturalisation. British citizens by birth could not be deprived of their citizenship.

So it seems it applies to those who were granted citizenship after coming here as immigrants. I don't agree with it, because you are either a British citizen or you aren't, but it is hard to feel sympathy for these people if they are deported for this sort of behaviour.

That said, it hardly seems fair to inflict them back to the countries they originated from in Asia, because it sends the message that we don't think these pervs are good enough for our country, but your country is kinda crap so you can have them.

Didnt sajid javed cancel Shamima Begum’s nationality despite her being born in the UK?

 

[Local.Dada]

From that article: The power only applied to those who acquired British citizenship by registration or naturalisation. British citizens by birth could not be deprived of their citizenship.

So it seems it applies to those who were granted citizenship after coming here as immigrants. I don't agree with it, because you are either a British citizen or you aren't, but it is hard to feel sympathy for these people if they are deported for this sort of behaviour.

That said, it hardly seems fair to inflict them back to the countries they originated from in Asia, because it sends the message that we don't think these pervs are good enough for our country, but your country is kinda crap so you can have them.

I don’t get it why do these people have to be deported back in the first place to begin with?

Doesn’t UK have capital punishment or something strict enough to take care of such menace?

Deporting them is an easy way out

Could it be vote bank politics at play because there will suddenly be a minority or religious persecution defense given as we see often and then people forgetting the act itself will start protesting on streets?

 

[Robert]

I don’t get it why do these people have to be deported back in the first place to begin with?

Doesn’t UK have capital punishment or something strict enough to take care of such menace?

Deporting them is an easy way out

Could it be vote bank politics at play because there will suddenly be a minority or religious persecution defense given as we see often and then people forgetting the act itself will start protesting on streets?

Abolished in the 1960s. We don’t state-murder our citizens.

 

[Local.Dada]

Abolished in the 1960s. We don’t state-murder our citizens.

Putting down a dog infected with rabies is not animal cruelty. I don’t want to open up the whole capital punishment right or wrong debate here.

Anyways what does deporting a criminal achieve anyways, Cant UK law and justice handle it their own way.

 

[Robert]

Putting down a dog infected with rabies is not animal cruelty. I don’t want to open up the whole capital punishment right or wrong debate here.

Anyways what does deporting a criminal achieve anyways, Cant UK law and justice handle it their own way.

Humans are not dogs. We try to reform our offenders.

If a person from another nation offends in the UK he is not ours to try to fix so we send him back to his own land.

 

[pillionrider]

Why a knife crime in many parts of the country not labelled as ‘Christian Terrorism’ and so on. You get my drift.

keep playing naive.

If a white man kills a non-white for being non-white, he'll be charged with racism.

If a Christian kills in the name of religion, it will be called Christian terrorism.

But you can keep your eyes and ears shut, and those fingers tapping away wildly

 

[KingKhanWC]

Most of the offenders under discussion are born Britons. Let us compare like with like. There are no gangs of “native Brits” - by which I assume you mean white people - seeking out young girls of another race and culture for rape. Of course there are white paedophile networks in the U.K. but they do not prey specifically on girls of other cultures.

Correct me if I am wrong but you seem to be applying moral relativism - are you saying that crime is crime and there should be no further investigation into why these gangs keep offending? Are poor white girls targeted purely because the offenders can groom them and separate them from their support networks more easily? Do the rapists tell themselves their victims are impure and deserve abuse, to assuage their own guilty consciences? How is HMPS able to rehabilitate these criminals without understanding their motivation?

Most peodos are white middle aged men, this is a fact. Why do white men have such a problem with abusing children? Its not just those white men who live in council estates but goes all the way to pops stars, actors, comedians, politicians and even the Royal family.

Do you think white men who are middle aged have some sort of genetic issue which makes them abuse kids? Im asking you because you are white, but of course not suggesting you have this issue but then again , I dont know you. I know about middle aged white men, thats all.

 

[Knight_Rider]

keep playing naive.

If a white man kills a non-white for being non-white, he'll be charged with racism.

If a Christian kills in the name of religion, it will be called Christian terrorism.

But you can keep your eyes and ears shut, and those fingers tapping away wildly

How do you know who is killing in name of what?

Rich coming from Hinduvita Modi apologists.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Didnt sajid javed cancel Shamima Begum’s nationality despite her being born in the UK?

I think that was wrong, but with Syria turning into a lawless zone resembling something from Mad Max, he was able to get away with it. Initially we tried to push her onto Bangladesh but they told us thanks, but no thanks, she's your problem.

She is British, she should be tried as a Briton if she is ever sent back once Syria comes under responsible rule.

 

[pillionrider]

How do you know who is killing in name of what?

Rich coming from Hinduvita Modi apologists.

I trust what I hear with my ears when someone murders another human and shouts "Allahu Akbar" or "Jai Shri Ram."

But as I said, you just keep those fingers flailing away on your keyboard to drown out the conflicting noises in your head

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Humans are not dogs. We try to reform our offenders.

If a person from another nation offends in the UK he is not ours to try to fix so we send him back to his own land.

In that case they are never truly British citizens as the law which applies to those born here is obviously different. This is a recent phenomenon mind you, it wasn't the case prior to 2010 if you read that article posted above.

I don't really understand why it's necessary either, you could just as easily give them a really harsh sentence.

 

[Knight_Rider]

I trust what I hear with my ears when someone murders another human and shouts "Allahu Akbar" or "Jai Shri Ram."

But as I said, you just keep those fingers flailing away on your keyboard to drown out the conflicting noises in your head

So you are suggesting that you hear these sounds of ‘Allah hu akbar’ and ‘Jai Shiri Raam’ whenever such a crime is committed?

Obviously not much point in feeding a troll like yourself but perhaps this will help you with some introspection.

 

[pillionrider]

So you are suggesting that you hear these sounds of ‘Allah hu akbar’ and ‘Jai Shiri Raam’ whenever such a crime is committed?

Is that the best defense you could arrive at

 

[Gabbar Singh]

West Yorkshire again.


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">West Yorkshire Police said some of the girls were also subjected to offences when they were young adults.<a href="https://t.co/zH3I5jGpVb">https://t.co/zH3I5jGpVb</a></p>— Yahoo News UK (@YahooNewsUK) <a href="https://twitter.com/YahooNewsUK/status/1337017948100317184?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 10, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Names and charges of the arrested men:

Asif Ali, 50, of Batley, charged with rape offences (x12), inciting sexual activity with a child (x2), supply class B drugs (x1), trafficking (x1), aiding and abetting rape (x1) assisting in the commission of an indictable offence (x1) making an indecent photo of a child (x2), possession of extreme pornographic images (x1)

Amer Ali Hussain, 42, of Batley, charged with rape (x2)

Sarfraz Miraf, 45, of Dewsbury, charged with rape offences (x1)

Nazam Hussain, 43, of Dewsbury, charged with rape offences (x4)

Mohammed Nazam Nasser, 35, of Batley, charged with rape offences (x3)

Moshin Nadat, 35, from Batley, served with a postal requisition for rape offences (x2)

Michael Birkenshaw, 34, from Wakefield served with a postal requisition for rape (x1)

Zafar Qayum, 41, from Dewsbury, charged with rape offences (x17), gross indecency (x4), indecent assault (x9), assault (x1), sexual activity with a child (x1), sexual assault (x1), theft (x1) and aiding and abetting rape (x2)

Jabbar Qayum, 39, from Dewsbury, charged with rape offences (x6) and aiding and abetting rape (x2)

Ansar Mahmood Qayum, 43, from Dewsbury, charged with rape offences (x13), attempted indecent assault (x2), aiding and abetting rape (x2)

Mohammed Tauseef Hanif, 36, from Dewsbury, charged with rape offences (x4)

Ali Hussain Shah, 35, from Dewsbury, served with a postal requisition for rape offences (x2)

Saleem Mohammed Nasir, 44, from Dewsbury, charged with rape offences (x3) and conspiracy to rape (x1)

Amran Mehrban, 37, from Batley, charged with rape offences (x2), false imprisonment (x1) and sexual assault (x1)

Ebrahim Pandor, 41, from Dewsbury, charged with rape offences (x1) and trafficking (x2)

Shakil Daji, 41, from Batley, charged with rape offences (x2) and trafficking (x1)

Mohammed Imran Zada, 41, from Batley, served with a postal requisition for rape offences (x6), indecent assault (x2) and sexual activity with a child (x1)

Sarkaut Yasen, 35, from Dewsbury, charged with trafficking (x1) and aiding and abetting rape (x2)

Amjad Hussain, 41, from Dewsbury, charged with rape offences (x2)

Asuk Hussain, 50, from Dewsbury, charged with rape (x2)

Zafar Iqbal, 35, from Batley, charged with rape offences (x7), trafficking (x2) and supplying a Class B drug (x1)

Nasar Iqbal, 35, from Batley, charged with rape offences (x7) and trafficking (x2)

Bilal Mahmood Patel, 38, from Leicester, charged with rape offences (x2)

Khurum Raziq, 38, from Heckmondwike, served with a postal requisition for rape offences (x8)

Irfan Khan, 34, from Batley, served with a postal requisition for rape offences (x4), threats to kill (x1), false imprisonment (x1) and harassment (x1)

Omar Farooq Hussain, 36, from Dewsbury, charged with rape offences (x8) and supplying class A drugs (x1)

Sarfraz Hussain Riaz, 37, from Liversedge, charged with rape offences (x2) and attempted rape (x1)

Rameez Cheema, 33, from Batley, charged with rape offences (x1)

Nasar Hussain, 42, from Dewsbury, charged with rape offences (x6)

Mohammed Chothia, 41, from Batley, served with a postal requisition for rape offences (x8)

Sajad Hussain, 37, from Batley, served with a postal requisition for rape offences (x1), false imprisonment (x1), trafficking (x1), aiding and abetting rape (x1) and supplying Class C drugs (x1)

Yasser Ali, 31, from Dewsbury, served with a postal requisition for rape offences (x2)

 

[JaDed]

Is this different from the initial issue?

 

[TSA321]

Some Gujarati names in there this time.

Thank God I live in London..

 

[Saj]

Good to see more animals locked up.

 

[saeedhk]

Yeh jaha bhi jatay hai, mulk ka naam roshan kartay hai!

 

[Gabbar Singh]

The majority of child sexual abuse gangs are made up of white men under the age of 30, an official paper has said.

The report, which covers England, Scotland and Wales and summarises a range of studies on the issue of group-based child sexual exploitation (CSE), also known as grooming gangs, said there was not enough evidence to conclude that child sexual abuse gangs were disproportionately made up of Asian offenders.

High-profile cases including in Rotherham, Rochdale and Telford have involved groups of men of mainly Pakistani ethnicity, fuelling a perception that it is an “Asian problem”.

As a result “Asian grooming gangs” have become a cause celebre for the far right, with a number of high-profile figures mounting campaigns across the country.

The Home Office paper into the “characteristics” of such gangs, first promised by the former home secretary Sajid Javid in 2018, says while some studies show a possible overrepresentation of black and Asian offenders, it is not possible to conclude this is representative of all grooming gangs.

The review was published after criticism that victims of child abuse had been failed because of fear of accusations of racism.

It said: “Research has found that group-based child sexual exploitation offenders are most commonly white. Some studies suggest an overrepresentation of black and Asian offenders relative to the demographics of national populations. However, it is not possible to conclude that this is representative of all group-based CSE offending.

“This is due to issues such as data-quality problems, the way the samples were selected in studies, and the potential for bias and inaccuracies in the way that ethnicity data is collected.”

It found that while offenders come from diverse backgrounds, groups tended to be of men of the same ethnicities. Money and sex were motivations as well as a sexual interest in children and misogyny, the review said.

The home secretary, Priti Patel, said: “This paper demonstrates how difficult it has been to draw conclusions about the characteristics of offenders.”

Sarah Champion, the MP for Rotherham, who has long campaigned on the issue, said: “Going forwards, I want to see a nationally recognised and approved set of triggers that, once met, require local authorities to provide support for children showing signs of harm, rather than the current postcode lottery when it comes to help.

“Finally, the government must accept that all children are vulnerable because they are children. However, children’s vulnerabilities would never be exposed without perpetrators looking to exploit them. All children deserve the protection of the state and appropriate resources must be found to allow that.”

Nazir Afzal, the former chief crown prosecutor in the north-west, who brought prosecutions over the Rochdale grooming gangs, welcomed the report. “It confirms that white men remain the most common offenders, which is something rarely mentioned by rightwing commentators,” he said.

“However, it is not shy in reflecting that south Asian and British Pakistani men are disproportionately found in high-profile cases.

“The danger is that by focusing entirely on the ethnicity of the offender, we miss the bigger picture, which is how the unheard, the left-behind women and girls, are invariably the victims. That’s where the government’s attention and action should be primarily focused.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...xual-abuse-gangs-white-men-home-office-report

 

[Robert]

Most peodos are white middle aged men, this is a fact. Why do white men have such a problem with abusing children? Its not just those white men who live in council estates but goes all the way to pops stars, actors, comedians, politicians and even the Royal family.

Do you think white men who are middle aged have some sort of genetic issue which makes them abuse kids? Im asking you because you are white, but of course not suggesting you have this issue but then again , I dont know you. I know about middle aged white men, thats all.

According to the previous post (#300) most are younger men. However there are also female paedophiles, but these are harder to detect.

I don’t think there is any racial / genetic basis to this type of behaviour. I think it cuts across all ethnic and socioeconomic groups, denoted by psychological markers.

 

[the Great Khan]

Sarah Champion, the MP for Rotherham, who has long campaigned on the issue, said: “Going forwards, I want to see a nationally recognised and approved set of triggers that, once met, require local authorities to provide support for children showing signs of harm, rather than the current postcode lottery when it comes to help.

“Finally, the government must accept that all children are vulnerable because they are children. However, children’s vulnerabilities would never be exposed without perpetrators looking to exploit them. All children deserve the protection of the state and appropriate resources must be found to allow that.

I hope this racist is held to account for her comments about Pakistani men which were then used to villify a whole community. I bet she is having to suck on Lemons now.

Also where is the introspection for the White community who make up the majority of such abusers in the UK? is this a cultural problem? is their an inherent need to do this? why arent the community being questioned about this? Do families keep silent? and since it includes white women I would use a quite from Trump " what the hell is going on?"

 

[CricketCartoons]

According to the previous post (#300) most are younger men. However there are also female paedophiles, but these are harder to detect.

I don’t think there is any racial / genetic basis to this type of behaviour. I think it cuts across all ethnic and socioeconomic groups, denoted by psychological markers.

What is the percent of these groomers and the percent of the demographies.

 

[Robert]

I hope this racist is held to account for her comments about Pakistani men which were then used to villify a whole community. I bet she is having to suck on Lemons now.

Also where is the introspection for the White community who make up the majority of such abusers in the UK? is this a cultural problem? is their an inherent need to do this? why arent the community being questioned about this? Do families keep silent? and since it includes white women I would use a quite from Trump " what the hell is going on?"

Not sure what you mean. Paedophile offenders are universally reviled in the “white community” whatever that is. As soon as these offenders are exposed they lose liberty, career and reputation.

 

[Robert]

What is the percent of these groomers and the percent of the demographies.

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/what-do-we-know-about-the-ethnicity-of-sexual-abuse-gangs

If I am reading this right, there are two types of grooming gang. Type 1 gang targets victims based on their vulnerability - this group is mainly Asian men predating on young girls who lack strong support networks.

Type 2 gangs predate on children because they are long-term sexually attracted to children. These gangs are nearly all white men.

 

[the Great Khan]

Not sure what you mean. Paedophile offenders are universally reviled in the “white community” whatever that is. As soon as these offenders are exposed they lose liberty, career and reputation.

seems like their is a culture of denial and deflection. Nobody seems to question why this is happening? I also dont see any major questioning of the culture in the country. Is this contributing to this epidemic? could porn be linked to it? what about the destruction of the family? and so forth..

In pakistan there seems to be a correlation between the spread of porn and sex crimes..I will check to find some studies but I believe there were some done in the US.

 

[Robert]

seems like their is a culture of denial and deflection. Nobody seems to question why this is happening? I also dont see any major questioning of the culture in the country. Is this contributing to this epidemic? could porn be linked to it? what about the destruction of the family? and so forth..

In pakistan there seems to be a correlation between the spread of porn and sex crimes..I will check to find some studies but I believe there were some done in the US.

It’s always been there.

As I understand there are a range of psychological markers, though not all are common to every such offender, but in most cases a domineering mother was present.

Of course many such offenders were themselves abused as children, though most victims don’t go on to become abusers in turn. Some just believe it is what men are supposed to do as their father or uncle did it to them.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

According to the previous post (#300) most are younger men. However there are also female paedophiles, but these are harder to detect.

I don’t think there is any racial / genetic basis to this type of behaviour. I think it cuts across all ethnic and socioeconomic groups, denoted by psychological markers.

But that isn't how it was presented to the British public, we have had dog whistle stories running for years because it sells papers. That's not to say there aren't issues to be addressed, but there has definitely been a racial angle to the stoking of the fire.

 

[KingKhanWC]

According to the previous post (#300) most are younger men. However there are also female paedophiles, but these are harder to detect.

I don’t think there is any racial / genetic basis to this type of behaviour. I think it cuts across all ethnic and socioeconomic groups, denoted by psychological markers.

Possibly but the truth is out now.

Most child sexual abuse gangs made up of white men, Home Office report says

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...D2Oj6ghO9FryzdCVAM4ZpY9IZYKt5FgiqH6Aq4PqvNqHk

 

[Bewal Express]

I think the issues of pedophiles and abusers of vulnerable young peoples are being conflated. Groups of men abusing underage girls in recent years through grooming involving drugs has been statistically been committed by desi men in too high proportions. Pedophile who work alone are generally white. Recently The Bham evening mail has broken Another massive scandal that involves drug dealing desi men.

 

[El Generico]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Headline: Body: <a href="https://t.co/fxWEzjusti">pic.twitter.com/fxWEzjusti</a></p>— Crowsa Luxemburg (@quendergeer) <a href="https://twitter.com/quendergeer/status/1338793345808801793?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 15, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Robert]

But that isn't how it was presented to the British public, we have had dog whistle stories running for years because it sells papers. That's not to say there aren't issues to be addressed, but there has definitely been a racial angle to the stoking of the fire.

I know, it’s the perfect story for racists.

 

[Madplayer]

Home Office Study Trashes The Times’ ‘Muslim Grooming Gangs’ Narrative

independently, by the BBC’s The Corrections programme a few months later. Since then, The Times has twice been forced to apologise and pay damages for errors in articles about Muslims that carried his byline. And now we have the Home Office report into ‘Group-Based Child Sexual Exploitation’.

More than anyone else, Andrew Norfolk created the idea that Britain had a hidden problem of Muslim men colluding in the sexual exploitation of white girls. Boosted vigorously by The Times and taken up across most of the national press, this became a fixture in hostile media commentary about Muslims and is a favourite grievance of the extremist far-right.

This week’s Home Office report, however, makes it crystal clear that, just like Norfolk’s ‘Christian Girl Forced Into Muslim Foster Care’ story, this is a scandal with no substance.

Based on two years of analysis of all the available data, the report concludes that there are no legitimate grounds for asserting that Muslims – or Asians or Pakistanis or indeed any other ethnic group – are disproportionately involved in what the Home Office calls group-based child sexual exploitation.

It states plainly: “Based on the literature it is not possible to draw any conclusions as to whether some ethnicities have a greater involvement in group-based offending compared with others.”

Yes, there have been high-profile cases in which the perpetrators were mainly Asian men, the report acknowledges, but that does not make it a pattern. And when the report’s authors looked at the whole picture, the only pattern they could find was one of incomplete and inconsistent records, biased collecting methods and conflicts of terminology.

“Research on offender ethnicity is limited, and tends to rely on poor quality data,” the report states. “It is therefore difficult to draw conclusions about differences in ethnicity of offenders, but it is likely that no one community or culture is uniquely predisposed to offending.”

While the offenders in this class of crime come from diverse backgrounds, most of them are white – as you would expect in a majority white country. And there is no reliable evidence pointing to disproportionate involvement of Muslim, Asian or Pakistani men.

This finding is all the more compelling – and all the more damning for Andrew Norfolk – because it is clear that the unnamed authors of the Home Office report were being asked to look for evidence that Muslim men were disproportionately involved in these offences.

A foreword by Home Secretary Priti Patel refers to “some studies” indicating “an over-representation of Asian and Black offenders”. The opening passage also describes efforts by members of an advisory panel that included the Labour MP for Rotherham, Sarah Champion, to include “more explicit detail” about offences perpetrated by offenders from “certain communities, particularly Pakistani communities”. (Champion was the author of a notorious Sun article asserting that ‘Britain has a Problem with British Pakistani Men Raping and Exploiting White Girls’).

But the authors found that the evidence did not support this idea. So, not for the first time in recent years – the fake ‘Trojan Horse’ plot to take over Birmingham schools is another example – a sensational media-driven scandal involving Muslim wrongdoers proves to be at best grossly distorted and at worst simply wrong.

While there have been horrific cases in which gangs of mostly Muslim men have abused teenage girls, there is so much crime in this category of ‘group-based’ offending that the role played by Muslim men does not stand out. Every ethnicity is involved, even if news coverage makes it appear otherwise.

At the root of the Muslim grooming gang narrative is Andrew Norfolk and his front-page report in The Times in 2011 headlined ‘Conspiracy of Silence on UK Sex Gangs’. Norfolk cited 56 cases which he claimed proved there was a previously unacknowledged “tidal wave of offending” by men of Pakistani heritage who were preying on mostly white girls.

Over the succeeding decade, this claim has been repeated so often that it is widely accepted as fact, even though Norfolk’s methods and approach were demolished earlier this year in an article by Ella Cockbain and Waqas Tufail. Cockbain is an associate professor at University College London who is a leading authority on child sexual exploitation and has first-hand knowledge of many of the cases cited by Norfolk.

Norfolk’s work fed directly into the agenda of the far-right, whereby Muslim grooming gangs acquired a status similar to the historic ‘blood libel’ used against Jews down the centuries. It is promoted, for example, by Stephen Yaxley-Lennon – also known as ‘Tommy Robinson’, who in 2018 was appointed UKIP’s ‘grooming gangs advisor’ – and it was embraced by the man who massacred 51 people in mosque shootings in Christchurch, New Zealand last year.

Norfolk’s reputation as a journalist is already in shreds. Unmasked revealed the unethical methods he employed, including the omission of inconvenient facts and reliance on obviously dubious sources, in creating three front-page Times stories unjustifiably portraying Muslims as threatening. One was the infamous ‘Christian Child Forced Into Muslim Foster Care’ report, which was subsequently investigated and found to be misleading by the BBC Radio 4 programme The Corrections.

Since then, The Times has been forced to pay damages to two Muslim men wrongly accused of having extreme views in articles carrying Norfolk’s name. And now his biggest and most harmful story has been shown in an official Home Office report to be at best misleading.

Last year we urged The Times to initiate an independent investigation of Norfolk’s methods and it refused. In defending him, it specifically stated in relation to grooming gangs that “overwhelming evidence” existed of “a deeply rooted pattern of criminal behaviour with a clear ethnic component”.

Now that the Home Office has clearly stated that this evidence does not exist, will The Times open its eyes and acknowledge a problem for which there actually is real evidence – the problem of Andrew Norfolk and what appears to be his unethical anti-Muslim agenda?

Andrew Norfolk was approached for comment but did not respond.

https://bylinetimes.com/2020/12/17/...es-the-times-muslim-grooming-gangs-narrative/

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

The Times is a disgrace these days. I still have a subscription, but have been on the verge of cancelling it for a while because of their pretty clear agenda. I only found out this week that one of their leading columnists Melanie Philips who is an arch islamophobe actually lives in israel.

I kept the subscription though, because despite their tone and fear mongering, I still like a lot of their writers. But you have to read every story these days with some healthy scepticism, it's not the standard bearer newspaper it once was. Some good sports writers though.

 

[Saj]

Three brothers have been jailed for grooming and sexually abusing teenage girls in West Yorkshire.

Police said the offences took place between 1999 and 2004 and involved three girls who were aged between 13 and 15 at the time.

All the victims were described as "particularly vulnerable" at the time they met Zafar, Ansar and Mohammed Jabbar Qayum, from Dewsbury.

At Leeds Crown Court, all three were convicted of rape.

It follows an ongoing investigation into the sexual exploitation of teenage girls in north Kirklees between 1999 and 2012, police said.

One of the women came forward in 2017 to report what had happened to her, with officers praising the bravery of the victims for their "determination to seek justice".

Zafar Qayum, 42, from Dewsbury was sentenced to 30 years in jail for six counts of rape, five counts of indecent assault and three counts of aiding and abetting rapeAnsar Qayum, 45, from Dewsbury, was sentenced to 20 years in prison for four counts of rape and one offence of attempted indecent assaultMohammed Jabbar Qayum, 41, from Dewsbury, was sentenced to 13 years for two offences of rape

Det Ch Insp Ian Thornes, of West Yorkshire Police, said: "The court heard some highly disturbing evidence of how poorly these young victims were treated with all three brothers being found guilty of encouraging the sexual abuse of victims.

"We welcome the substantial sentences handed down to them at court today and believe these reflect the gravity of the acts they committed."

BBC

 

[Robert]

The 100% white paedo rings issue is certainly a big problem, but perhaps the white people will be able to make better suggestions then me on how we can resolve that issue.

Well, if I knew anyone who did that I would immediately grass them up to the police.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Well, if I knew anyone who did that I would immediately grass them up to the police.

I said something similar eatlier in this thread. Yet strangely not one poster has yet admitted they know anyone from their own family who is involved despite the 80% Asian grooming headline in the title.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

A damning statistic that would make anyone even thinking of a strawman, blush

 

[MenInG]

A British headteacher who groomed at least 131 children worldwide using social media while working at a school in Iraq has been jailed for 20 months.

Nicholas Clayton, 38, from The Wirral, used Facebook Messenger to contact children as young as 10, asking for photos and attempting to sexually abuse them.

He was caught after asking a 13-year-old boy from Cambodia for photos of his naked upper torse and arranging to pay for the child to travel to Malaysia so they could meet.

The National Crime Agency (NCA) received intelligence about the communication and arrested him when he returned to the UK.

Investigators found Clayton had been messaging hundreds of boys from across the globe, spanning the Philippines, Sri Lanka, Singapore, Thailand, Indonesia, Iraq, Morocco, Turkey and others over a period of just three months.

He appeared at Liverpool Crown Court on 23 August where he admitted three counts of sexual communication with a child under 16 years and one charge of inciting the sexual exploitation of a child.

On Tuesday, he was sentenced to 20 months imprisonment and made the subject of a sexual harm prevention order for 15 years.

New Facebook plans will 'hide similar predators'

The case has prompted fresh calls for a "robust" Online Safety Bill, with the NSPCC warning plans by Meta, which owns Facebook, to introduce end-to-end encryption will "blindfold" authorities to similar predators.

Andy Burrows, head of child safety online policy at the charity, said: "Clayton's case highlights the ease with which offenders can contact large numbers of children on social media with the intention of grooming and sexually abusing them.

"Private messaging is the frontline of child sexual abuse online. It's therefore concerning that Meta plans to press on with end-to-end encryption on Facebook Messenger, which will blindfold themselves and law enforcement from identifying criminals like Clayton.

"The UK government can show global leadership in tackling online child abuse by delivering without delay a robust Online Safety Bill that embeds child protection at the heart of every social media site."

New Culture Secretary Michelle Donelan has previously said there are no plans to water down the proposals for new internet safety laws, which Mr Burrows welcomed as "really encouraging".

Hazel Stewart, from the NCA, said: "Nicholas Clayton abused his position of trust as a headteacher by attempting to sexually contact and exploit children, using technology to access hundreds of potential victims across the globe.

"Clayton was very cautious and careful in his communications, making them appear to be innocent, but as NCA investigators we could see the patterns of predatory grooming he was using on vulnerable children.

"Protecting children from sex offenders is a priority for the NCA, and we continue to pursue criminals in the UK and internationally to ensure abusers like Clayton are held to account."

Facebook 'taking our time to get it right'

A Facebook spokesperson said: "We have no tolerance for child exploitation on our platforms and are building strong safety measures into our plans.

"We're focused on preventing harm by banning suspicious profiles, defaulting under-18s to private or 'friends only' accounts, and more recently introduced restrictions that stop adults from messaging children they're not connected with.

"We're also encouraging people to report harmful messages to us so we can see the contents, respond swiftly and make referrals to the authorities. As we roll out this technology we're taking our time to get it right and working with outside experts to help keep people safe online."

SKY

 

[finalfantasy7]

A British headteacher who groomed at least 131 children worldwide using social media while working at a school in Iraq has been jailed for 20 months.

Nicholas Clayton, 38, from The Wirral, used Facebook Messenger to contact children as young as 10, asking for photos and attempting to sexually abuse them.

He was caught after asking a 13-year-old boy from Cambodia for photos of his naked upper torse and arranging to pay for the child to travel to Malaysia so they could meet.

The National Crime Agency (NCA) received intelligence about the communication and arrested him when he returned to the UK.

Investigators found Clayton had been messaging hundreds of boys from across the globe, spanning the Philippines, Sri Lanka, Singapore, Thailand, Indonesia, Iraq, Morocco, Turkey and others over a period of just three months.

He appeared at Liverpool Crown Court on 23 August where he admitted three counts of sexual communication with a child under 16 years and one charge of inciting the sexual exploitation of a child.

On Tuesday, he was sentenced to 20 months imprisonment and made the subject of a sexual harm prevention order for 15 years.

New Facebook plans will 'hide similar predators'

The case has prompted fresh calls for a "robust" Online Safety Bill, with the NSPCC warning plans by Meta, which owns Facebook, to introduce end-to-end encryption will "blindfold" authorities to similar predators.

Andy Burrows, head of child safety online policy at the charity, said: "Clayton's case highlights the ease with which offenders can contact large numbers of children on social media with the intention of grooming and sexually abusing them.

"Private messaging is the frontline of child sexual abuse online. It's therefore concerning that Meta plans to press on with end-to-end encryption on Facebook Messenger, which will blindfold themselves and law enforcement from identifying criminals like Clayton.

"The UK government can show global leadership in tackling online child abuse by delivering without delay a robust Online Safety Bill that embeds child protection at the heart of every social media site."

New Culture Secretary Michelle Donelan has previously said there are no plans to water down the proposals for new internet safety laws, which Mr Burrows welcomed as "really encouraging".

Hazel Stewart, from the NCA, said: "Nicholas Clayton abused his position of trust as a headteacher by attempting to sexually contact and exploit children, using technology to access hundreds of potential victims across the globe.

"Clayton was very cautious and careful in his communications, making them appear to be innocent, but as NCA investigators we could see the patterns of predatory grooming he was using on vulnerable children.

"Protecting children from sex offenders is a priority for the NCA, and we continue to pursue criminals in the UK and internationally to ensure abusers like Clayton are held to account."

Facebook 'taking our time to get it right'

A Facebook spokesperson said: "We have no tolerance for child exploitation on our platforms and are building strong safety measures into our plans.

"We're focused on preventing harm by banning suspicious profiles, defaulting under-18s to private or 'friends only' accounts, and more recently introduced restrictions that stop adults from messaging children they're not connected with.

"We're also encouraging people to report harmful messages to us so we can see the contents, respond swiftly and make referrals to the authorities. As we roll out this technology we're taking our time to get it right and working with outside experts to help keep people safe online."

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