Asians make up 80% of child groomers – study

[saeedhk]

Crime is a big problem among Pakistanis in the UK particularly in Bradford, Halifax and Manchester.

Just today, 4 British Pakistanis were jailed for hatching a plot to loot Tesco cash-in-transit vans.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Crime is a big problem among Pakistanis in the UK particularly in Bradford, Halifax and Manchester.

Just today, 4 British Pakistanis were jailed for hatching a plot to loot Tesco cash-in-transit vans.

Why use that as an example? I don't think British Pakistanis are the leading ethnicity when it comes to looting cash-in-transit vans, I would think blacks and whites would be way ahead if anyone has compiled statistics.

 

[humzy]

So who would be the community leaders in that case? Do the Lebanese have an influential body that could make an impact?

Ofcourse, there are councils for Lebanese communities.

I apologise if i come off as rude but what would you consider a community leader and why are you asking questions you should already know the answers to? Lebanese people are not that different to any other community.

But to spell it out, community leaders would include council leaders, religious figureheads, respected members of the community (i.e the people who have reached highest success in their professions and are active in their communities), local politicians who are voices in the community.

I cannot answer your second question as i am not well versed enough into how impactful these bodies are

 

[SpiritOf1903]

Crime is a big problem among Pakistanis in the UK particularly in Bradford, Halifax and Manchester.

Just today, 4 British Pakistanis were jailed for hatching a plot to loot Tesco cash-in-transit vans.

Mirpuris / 'Kashmiris' are the lowest common denominator amongst Pakiani diaspora ...

Bengalis proportionally represented too ...

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Ofcourse, there are councils for Lebanese communities.

I apologise if i come off as rude but what would you consider a community leader and why are you asking questions you should already know the answers to? Lebanese people are not that different to any other community.

But to spell it out, community leaders would include council leaders, religious figureheads, respected members of the community (i.e the people who have reached highest success in their professions and are active in their communities), local politicians who are voices in the community.

I cannot answer your second question as i am not well versed enough into how impactful these bodies are

I thought you were talking about community leaders influencing their communities directly, which would provide some challenges. It seems you mean by speaking to the press or media as a representative, they would present a voice for that community to everyone else which is slightly different.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

its the responsibility of community leaders to tackle these issues within their own communities head on rather then distance themselves from the issue.

Judges in the case stated that there may be racist and cultural undertones behind these gang rapes of specifically white women. This was based on the case evidence and conduct of the perpetrators throughout the court case..

Community leaders should have further examined this outcome and then instated a think tank or community education program for youth in regards to outward racism and sexual misconduct.

I am almost 100% positive that government institutes would have heavily invested in any of these ideas.

That was the post I was replying to. I would very much like to know how the Lebanese community went about addressing these concerns so we could maybe learn from them and implement similarly over here.

 

[mani1]

Mirpuris / 'Kashmiris' are the lowest common denominator amongst Pakiani diaspora ...

Bengalis proportionally represented too ...

Non Mirpuri's and Non Bengali Asians must be Angels Particularly the super duper rich Punjabi's of Scotland and London (Just don't look at the poverty figures lol)

In regards to the OP Asian/Pakistani Grooming is more Prevalent "Down South" then it is in Bradford.

 

[humzy]

That was the post I was replying to. I would very much like to know how the Lebanese community went about addressing these concerns so we could maybe learn from them and implement similarly over here.

Ok i understand what you are saying now. So as i said earlier, they did not really address the issue. They distanced themselves from it and said it is not a problem in their community, which is why i believe the change in legal ramifications is what made the biggest impact.

 

[Saj]

Some sections of the Asian community in the UK have serious issues and are in denial. Their community hides them, instead of alerting the police.

These sick and disgusting individuals should be locked up forever.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Some sections of the Asian community in the UK have serious issues and are in denial. Their community hides them, instead of alerting the police.

These sick and disgusting individuals should be locked up forever.

That is a damaging assumption, and needs to be backed up with some substance.

 

[shaz619]

Some sections of the Asian community in the UK have serious issues and are in denial. Their community hides them, instead of alerting the police.

These sick and disgusting individuals should be locked up forever.

Well said, most of the naive people hiding in cottages won't comprehend this while others have a victim mentality.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Of course, if you claim you know that your community is hiding these sort of scumbags, then implicitly, you are also hiding them.

 

[shaz619]

Of course, if you claim you know that your community is hiding these sort of scumbags, then implicitly, you are also hiding them.

Well, if you suspect anyone then feel free to report them or you're hiding them

 

[shaz619]

What a lot of victim mentality people and cottage soldiers don't get is the community hide these people just by barely speaking out against said crimes, there's a narrative that damnation can be prevented so long they repent for their sins; am not sure how that is possible by putting haram money in the mosque bucket though. For those from certain area's they don't need to know the A to Z of what's going on to see that the community can be protective of sinners due to their backward mentalities.

 

[Markhor]

There seem to be a lot of threads on this topic recently.

Asians are over-represented in gang grooming cases whilst attacks in isolation and through online tend to be perpetrated by white men. Why is it that Asians make up such a high number ? You have to look at local demographics and socio-economics. Asians tend to be over-represented in the so-called "night time economy" such as working in takeaways, taxi driving or drug dealing where women find themselves at risk.

Its not that Asians are religiously inclined to prey on women as some bigots suggest; but discussions about sex is taboo in most Asian households and interactions with the opposite sex outside family are limited. Its not surprising this sexual repression in testosterone fuelled young men manifests itself in appalling ways. Also, Asian men often originate from countries where the age of consent is lower.

However, statistics about sexual abuse and the ethnicity of perpetrators are patchy, drawn from limited number of areas and so its hard to draw national conclusions.

As the Hollywood scandal has shown, sexual abuse and harassment affects every community so its not helpful to make broad statements about any racial or ethnic group. Women need to be encouraged to speak up when inappropriate behaviour occurs in the workplace and women working at night, often coming from disadvantaged backgrounds, need to be protected.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Well, if you suspect anyone then feel free to report them or you're hiding them

Obviously I don't otherwise why would I be making that point rather than you?

What a lot of victim mentality people and cottage soldiers don't get is the community hide these people just by barely speaking out against said crimes, there's a narrative that damnation can be prevented so long they repent for their sins; am not sure how that is possible by putting haram money in the mosque bucket though. For those from certain area's they don't need to know the A to Z of what's going on to see that the community can be protective of sinners due to their backward mentalities.

You need to understand that catch-all phrases like victim mentality only work if someone is avoiding the facts. Who is avoiding them here? Try and debate sensibly instead of resorting to ad hominem style of discussion.

It's the first time I've heard that "there's a narrative that damnation can be prevented so long they repent for their sins" and refer to the haram money collected in the mosques, I take it you think it's the mosque where collective responsibility lies for addressing these issues publicly? What is it you think they should be saying? Sorry for asking, but as a cottage soldier I don't get to the mosque that often so no idea what goes on there, or who is hiding what.

 

[shaz619]

Obviously I don't otherwise why would I be making that point rather than you?



You need to understand that catch-all phrases like victim mentality only work if someone is avoiding the facts. Who is avoiding them here? Try and debate sensibly instead of resorting to ad hominem style of discussion.

It's the first time I've heard that "there's a narrative that damnation can be prevented so long they repent for their sins" and refer to the haram money collected in the mosques, I take it you think it's the mosque where collective responsibility lies for addressing these issues publicly? What is it you think they should be saying? Sorry for asking, but as a cottage soldier I don't get to the mosque that often so no idea what goes on there, or who is hiding what.

You ignorantly overlook the point Saj was making but then again you're not from the area so am not surprised, like I said; the A-Z of what goes down isn't required to know that the community hide these people by refusing to speak out against said crimes due to backward mentalities and also because everything about sex is taboo so these discussions are non-existent to begin with. It's not about collective responsibility, what's with the victim mentality lmao there's no harm in them just talking about good and evil is there, the reason why the role of the mosque is important because it's the centre piece of the community

 

[Markhor]

Who are these "community leaders" people keep speaking of ? The Asian community is one of the most diverse in the country made up of many religions, sects, castes and nationalities.

The "Asian community" is not some monolith a few individuals control.

The fact is sex education should begin in the home. Parents need to properly teach their kids how to interact with opposite members of the sex and not limit such interactions, how to treat women with respect, how to control their natural urges whilst staying true to their religious or cultural beliefs but adapted in a way that befits the 21st Century.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

You ignorantly overlook the point Saj was making but then again you're not from the area so am not surprised, like I said; the A-Z of what goes down isn't required to know that the community hide these people by refusing to speak out against said crimes due to backward mentalities and also because everything about sex is taboo so these discussions are non-existent to begin with. It's not about collective responsibility, what's with the victim mentality lmao there's no harm in them just talking about good and evil is there, the reason why the role of the mosque is important because it's the centre piece of the community

So you think that the mosque as the centre piece of the community has the role of talking about sexual taboos and addressing criminal activity among Muslims right? I'm assuming you also believe they are complicit in hiding these activities among their congregation. Is that the case in the mosque you attend in Birmingham? Which one is it, I'll try looking it up and see if the spokesman has mentioned anything publicly, maybe it made the local press.

 

[shaz619]

Who are these "community leaders" people keep speaking of ? The Asian community is one of the most diverse in the country made up of many religions, sects, castes and nationalities.

The "Asian community" is not some monolith a few individuals control.

The fact is sex education should begin in the home. Parents need to properly teach their kids how to interact with opposite members of the sex and not limit such interactions, how to treat women with respect, how to control their natural urges whilst staying true to their religious or cultural beliefs but adapted in a way that befits the 21st Century.

Off course it should, but the role of teacher is also important when it comes to the development of a child at school is it not? many children also go to the mosque from a young age and older people always attend Friday prayers. The local Imam is held in high regard in these communities because faith is a very important for everyone. So to suggest that they don't have a role to play in all of this would be naive if you ask me.

 

[shaz619]

So you think that the mosque as the centre piece of the community has the role of talking about sexual taboos and addressing criminal activity among Muslims right? I'm assuming you also believe they are complicit in hiding these activities among their congregation. Is that the case in the mosque you attend in Birmingham? Which one is it, I'll try looking it up and see if the spokesman has mentioned anything publicly, maybe it made the local press.

Your problem is you have a victim mentality, you're hidden in a cottage away from harsh realities drinking tea and eating crumpets with Kathy and John and to feel as if you belong, you will either troll Indians, shout Pakistan Zindabad out loud or sugar coat these crimes by asians and make stupid comments in response to people who make suggestions which are not counter productive.

 

[Markhor]

Off course it should, but the role of teacher is also important when it comes to the development of a child at school is it not? many children also go to the mosque from a young age and older people always attend Friday prayers. The local Imam is held in high regard in these communities because faith is a very important for everyone. So to suggest that they don't have a role to play in all of this would be naive if you ask me.

The imam should speak up on a Friday on these important matters. I agree with that, but a kid is with their parents every day and its your parents who are most influential in instilling values, religious/cultural beliefs or lack thereof, and educating you about the world and how to interact with others.

The problem is so many parents are either not informed to speak to their kids on such matters or are too shy to bring it up. Even my folks didn't talk about the topic much, most of what I've learnt is through the internet. That's why we have so many emotionally stunted young Asian men who don't know how to control their urges or interact with women. Now with the internet these conversations are unavoidable and more important than ever.

 

[shaz619]

The imam should speak up on a Friday on these important matters. I agree with that, but a kid is with their parents every day and its your parents who are most influential in instilling values, religious/cultural beliefs or lack thereof, and educating you about the world and how to interact with others.

The problem is so many parents are either not informed to speak to their kids on such matters or are too shy to bring it up. Even my folks didn't talk about the topic much, most of what I've learnt is through the internet. That's why we have so many emotionally stunted young Asian men who don't know how to control their urges or interact with women. Now with the internet these conversations are unavoidable and more important than ever.

Totally agree there it all starts at home, the parents obviously play the most important role. I was just making a point from the POV of the role of a mosque when such incidents happen in the present, they rarely speak up about these matters during Friday but I have in recent times see them criticise those who indulge in inner city crime which was refreshing. But across the country in these deprived area's am sure community's as a whole could improve be it the parents or faith leader's, every time you bring this up though people get really fired up with the why us mentality? that's not going to help and am not making any generalisations but if something positive is being done to tackle this it's hardly insulting.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Your problem is you have a victim mentality, you're hidden in a cottage away from harsh realities drinking tea and eating crumpets with Kathy and John and to feel as if you belong, you will either troll Indians, shout Pakistan Zindabad out loud or sugar coat these crimes by asians and make stupid comments in response to people who make suggestions which are not counter productive.

You haven't made any suggestions as far as I can see, at least nothing specific or constructive. When I ask for further clarification, you start taking digs at me rather than expand on your solution. I don't live in a cottage by the way, it's a large period semi. I never shout Pakistan Zindabad, and indeed I do engage Indians as they are on the site and participating in discussion which is usually done in a like for like manner so understanding is enhanced. If there were Swedes or Chinese on the boards rather than Indians I'd probably be in discussions with them.

Back on topic (if we've finished discussing me) then why do you keep saying victim mentality? Why would I be a victim when I don't even need to engage in the discussion? Please explain, no hard feelings, I'm sure it's not personal.

 

[TSA321]

https://www.theguardian.com/society...n-sexually-abusing-children-police-chief-says

Estimated 20,000 British men interested in sexually abusing children

He added that most offenders across all categories of child sexual abuse were white, despite the considerable attention that has been paid in some parts of the media to so-called Asian street-grooming gangs.

 

[shaz619]

You haven't made any suggestions as far as I can see, at least nothing specific or constructive. When I ask for further clarification, you start taking digs at me rather than expand on your solution. I don't live in a cottage by the way, it's a large period semi. I never shout Pakistan Zindabad, and indeed I do engage Indians as they are on the site and participating in discussion which is usually done in a like for like manner so understanding is enhanced. If there were Swedes or Chinese on the boards rather than Indians I'd probably be in discussions with them.

Back on topic (if we've finished discussing me) then why do you keep saying victim mentality? Why would I be a victim when I don't even need to engage in the discussion? Please explain, no hard feelings, I'm sure it's not personal.

All you've ever done is deflect from the crime these people have committed focusing more on the media or playing down a community looking at ways to improve, it may not be constructive from your goggles in the large period semi but faith leaders especially can make a positive contribution by speaking out against those who are responsible in instances where such crimes are committed instead of being completely silent, sex in general is taboo topic and as Markhor said parents are also important but also their mosque teachers.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

All you've ever done is deflect from the crime these people have committed focusing more on the media or playing down a community looking at ways to improve, it may not be constructive from your goggles in the large period semi but faith leaders especially can make a positive contribution by speaking out against those who are responsible in instances where such crimes are committed instead of being completely silent, sex in general is taboo topic and as Markhor said parents are also important but also their mosque teachers.

I think I've raised perfectly valid points whether regarding the media or the proposed community action and how to implement it and what effect it could have. If you want to call that deflecting, that's your choice, but it doesn't make them any less relevant - but then stick to the topic instead of deflecting onto my village cottage or whether I have tea with Kath and John.

You keep telling me how I'm out of touch because I live in a village cottage, which I can accept, but then that also means you are the one who is directly connected to the community presumably you must then have knowledge of these pervs in your own community and mosque. What have you done to expose them or make the police aware of their activities?

 

[shaz619]

I think I've raised perfectly valid points whether regarding the media or the proposed community action and how to implement it and what effect it could have. If you want to call that deflecting, that's your choice, but it doesn't make them any less relevant - but then stick to the topic instead of deflecting onto my village cottage or whether I have tea with Kath and John.

You keep telling me how I'm out of touch because I live in a village cottage, which I can accept, but then that also means you are the one who is directly connected to the community presumably you must then have knowledge of these pervs in your own community and mosque. What have you done to expose them or make the police aware of their activities?

But they do deflect from the crimes which have been committed which need more focus and what can be done to improve. I don't have knowledge of those who are responsible for the crimes, but what I do have knowledge of is the response of the community in light of such crimes which is why am of the view that their backward mentalities need to be resolved and a start would be by talking about these tough subjects and those with a big platform especially faith leaders who have a big and powerful voice can be influential in hammering the point home with regards to said evil

 

[Saeed]

But they do deflect from the crimes which have been committed which need more focus and what can be done to improve. I don't have knowledge of those who are responsible for the crimes, but what I do have knowledge of is the response of the community in light of such crimes which is why am of the view that their backward mentalities need to be resolved and a start would be by talking about these tough subjects and those with a big platform especially faith leaders who have a big and powerful voice can be influential in hammering the point home with regards to said evil

A lot of people are silent about sexual violence especially the mosques. What should be done about the community that doesn’t take responsibility? Perhaps there should be a law about collective responsibility. Maybe as a punishment the whole community including the self righteous people should be made to pay their share of community fine.

 

[shaz619]

A lot of people are silent about sexual violence especially the mosques. What should be done about the community that doesn’t take responsibility? Perhaps there should be a law about collective responsibility. Maybe as a punishment the whole community including the self righteous people should be made to pay their share of community fine.

Those who are directly involved, withstand key information or fail to report have to be punished severely. Beyond that the community can improve by raising more awareness with regards to said crimes.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

But they do deflect from the crimes which have been committed which need more focus and what can be done to improve. I don't have knowledge of those who are responsible for the crimes, but what I do have knowledge of is the response of the community in light of such crimes which is why am of the view that their backward mentalities need to be resolved and a start would be by talking about these tough subjects and those with a big platform especially faith leaders who have a big and powerful voice can be influential in hammering the point home with regards to said evil

I don't think we need faith leaders with 'a big and powerful voice' to tell us that plying under age girls with alcohol and having sex with them is unislamic so not really sure what purpose your suggestions would serve. People might be backwards but they aren't that stupid. Imagine if every time a teacher was arrested for having sexual relations with a pupil we expected the Church to run lectures to their congregation telling them it was against Christian values. I would think most of these places teach general moral values in any case, you can't take a specific crime and then expect the churches or mosques to take responsibility for it.

 

[shaz619]

I don't think we need faith leaders with 'a big and powerful voice' to tell us that plying under age girls with alcohol and having sex with them is unislamic so not really sure what purpose your suggestions would serve. People might be backwards but they aren't that stupid. Imagine if every time a teacher was arrested for having sexual relations with a pupil we expected the Church to run lectures to their congregation telling them it was against Christian values. I would think most of these places teach general moral values in any case, you can't take a specific crime and then expect the churches or mosques to take responsibility for it.

We may not need it in certain parts of the country but it can be beneficial in others. You're keep on talking about responsibility, it's nothing to do with that; if something is being tried to help the situation it's not about certain entities taking responsibility or making anyone feel better about how they identify.

You don't understand how influential these faith leaders are and what religion means to people; if they say a few words to condemn those who are responsible for said crimes it's better then silence.

There are many evils which are forbidden in Islam and people are very aware of that but it doesn't mean they are 100% not likely to sin, at the same time their faith also advocates forgiveness so long they repent; however, the mosque plays a big role in shaping the views of a youngster it can also help in preventing the backward mentalities besides the parents growing up because they get sent there every day after school and as they grow older said individuals attend Friday prayers so there needs to be more of a discussion on taboo topics. If a faith leader condemns those who indulge in crime it emphasises that salvation is not possible for them and more importantly it publicly shames those responsible before the entire community in the most emphatic way possible.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

We may not need it in certain parts of the country but it can be beneficial in others. You're keep on talking about responsibility, it's nothing to do with that; if something is being tried to help the situation it's not about certain entities taking responsibility or making anyone feel better about how they identify.

You don't understand how influential these faith leaders are and what religion means to people; if they say a few words to condemn those who are responsible for said crimes it's better then silence.

There are many evils which are forbidden in Islam and people are very aware of that but it doesn't mean they are 100% not likely to sin, at the same time their faith also advocates forgiveness so long they repent; however, the mosque plays a big role in shaping the views of a youngster it can also help in preventing the backward mentalities besides the parents growing up because they get sent there every day after school and as they grow older said individuals attend Friday prayers so there needs to be more of a discussion on taboo topics. If a faith leader condemns those who indulge in crime it emphasises that salvation is not possible for them and more importantly it publicly shames those responsible before the entire community in the most emphatic way possible.

The last point is valid, although I think we may have been talking about two different aspects of this. I assumed you meant that faith leaders should just talk about general practice of grooming, which in my mind assumes that Muslims are currently thinking that it is okay, which is frankly ludicrous. But if you are talking about specific persons after they have been convicted, to shame them publicly, I am all for that. That is something that could and should be done, and to be honest, I would be surprised if it hasn't been addressed in those towns where it has happened.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Another town, another grooming scandal which the authorities covered up.

Britain's 'worst ever' child grooming scandal exposed: Hundreds of young girls raped, beaten, sold for sex and some even KILLED
SPECIAL SUNDAY MIRROR INVESTIGATION: Authorities failed to act over 40 years - despite repeated warnings to social workers - with up to 1,000 girls, some as young as 11, abused in Telford

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/britains-worst-ever-child-grooming-12165527

 

[TSA321]

The report the op is based on has been comprehensively debunked.

https://medium.com/@Reg_Left_Media/grooming-gangs-quilliam-the-myth-of-the-84-percent-cc834b57fcf3

 

[Tubs]

Of course this is embarrassing and angers us, as (British) Pakistanis, but to deny it is contributing to the problem.

This problem must be nipped in the bud. Those participating should be named and shamed (not covered up) and put behind bars forever, and the youth educated well.

 

[shortbread]

It's like there's no end to the epidemic!

Huddersfield child sex abuse investigation sees 31 charged for rape and trafficking of girls aged between 12 and 18

Detectives have charged 31 people with crimes including rape and trafficking after an investigation into the sexual abuse of girls in West Yorkshire.

Thirty men and one woman are accused of involvement in the sexual exploitation of five victims from Huddersfield. West Yorkshire Police said the offences were allegedly committed between 2005 and 2012, when the girls were aged between 12 and 18.

The accused will appear at Kirklees Magistrates’ Court on 5 and 6 September,

They are:

Banaras Hussain, 37, of Shipley, charged with one count of rape of a female over 16

Banaris Hussain, 35, of Huddersfield, charged with one count of rape of a girl aged 13 to 15

Mohammed Suhail Arif, 30, of Huddersfield, charged with rape of a girl aged 13 to 15

Iftikar Ali, 37, of Huddersfield, charged with attempted rape of a girl aged 13- to 15 and three counts of rape of a girl aged 13 to 15

Mohammed Sajjad, 31, of Huddersfield, charged with four counts of rape of a girl aged 13 to 15, one rape of a girl under 13, and facilitating the commission of a child sex offence

Umar Zaman, 30, of Huddersfield, charged with two counts of rape of a girl aged 13 to 15

Basharat Hussain, 31, of Huddersfield, charged with two counts of rape of a girl aged 13 to 15

Amin Ali Choli, 36, of Huddersfield, charged with two counts of rape of a female over 16

Shaqeel Hussain, 35, of Dewsbury, charged with rape of a girl aged 13 to 15 and two counts of trafficking

Mubasher Hussain, 35, of Huddersfield, charged with rape of a girl aged 13 to 15 and sexual assault

Abdul Majid, 34, of Huddersfield, charged with two counts of rape of a girl aged 13 to 15
Mohammed Dogar, 35, of Huddersfield, charged with two counts of facilitating the commission of child sex offence
Usman Ali, 32, of Huddersfield, charged with two counts of rape of a girl aged 13 to 15

Mohammed Waqas Anwar, 29, of Huddersfield, charged with five counts of rape of a girl aged 13 to 15

Gul Riaz, 42, of Huddersfield, charged with rape of a girl aged 13 to 15

Mohammed Akram, 41, of Huddersfield, charged with two counts of trafficking with a view to sexual exploitation of a female and rape of a girl aged 14 to 15

Manzoor Akhtar, 29, of Huddersfield, charged with trafficking and three counts of rape of a girl aged 13 to 15

Samuel Fikru, 30, of Camden, charged with two counts of rape of a girl aged 13 to 15​​

Fehreen Rafiq, 38, of Huddersfield, is the only woman accused. She is charged with two counts of facilitating the commission of a child sex offence.

A further 12 men who cannot be named for legal reasons have been charged with “numerous offences in connection with the same investigation”, said police.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...charges-kirklees-west-yorkshire-a8492401.html

 

[Bewal Express]

It is painful for us innocent members of the PK community to be associated with these criminal losers but this has to be dealt with and finally the Police and CPS have began to deal with it.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

It is painful for us innocent members of the PK community to be associated with these criminal losers but this has to be dealt with and finally the Police and CPS have began to deal with it.

I really don't understand why it wasn't dealt with a lot sooner if underage girls were involved, the law is pretty specific, even if those guilty of the abuse don't seem aware of it. Clearly they are preying on girls who are living outside normal family structure and I think the police have been treating them as disposable as well. I am now wondering if these people even realised they were committing a crime?

 

[shortbread]

I think it's a combination of authorities not being aware and some within the bureaucracy who did not give a damn. Also we tend to forget the victims are children who simply kept quiet not knowing what to do.

The culprits irrespective of race or religious beliefs, simply took advantage of the vulnerable. I don't think any sane person in the world who committed these crimes for one moment thought what they did was fine. They must have been confident that they would get away with it but I can never buy it that they did not realise their crimes!

I know it's beating a dead horse, but stunning how rampant this was.

 

[Bewal Express]

I really don't understand why it wasn't dealt with a lot sooner if underage girls were involved, the law is pretty specific, even if those guilty of the abuse don't seem aware of it. Clearly they are preying on girls who are living outside normal family structure and I think the police have been treating them as disposable as well. I am now wondering if these people even realised they were committing a crime?

The reason its being dealt with now is because the cases have received the oxygen of publicity. These losers picked up mostly vulnerable girls from the care system, gave them money, alcohol, drugs and asked for sex in return. I was privvy to similar case last year where this exact pattern repeated but on that occasion rather than the guys being middle aged, they were mostly in their late teens early 20's.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

The reason its being dealt with now is because the cases have received the oxygen of publicity. These losers picked up mostly vulnerable girls from the care system, gave them money, alcohol, drugs and asked for sex in return. I was privvy to similar case last year where this exact pattern repeated but on that occasion rather than the guys being middle aged, they were mostly in their late teens early 20's.

I watched the Three Girls documentary on BBC when it was broadcast, and one of the things which came out in the aftermath was that the police were dismissive of the victims as sexually active and for that reason they didn't take it seriously. The following is from a Telegraph article about the Rochdale case:

A report by Louise Casey, which investigated the actions of Rotherham Council in relation to the abuse, revealed a pervasive culture of sexism and bullying, with whistleblowers suppressed and any mention of ethnicity ignored “for fear of being seen as racist”. One councillor, even after the scandal was exposed, claimed that the men involved had been “fooled” by young girls whose make-up and clothing made them appear older than they were.

One witness told the report: “There was no awareness. The view was that they were little slags. They didn't understand the situation, and thought that the girls were happy, or complicit in it. The sense was that if there had been any offence it had been by the girls, for luring the men in.”


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/0/three-girls-does-start-really-happened-rochdale-sex-abuse-scandal/

 

[Bewal Express]

I watched the Three Girls documentary on BBC when it was broadcast, and one of the things which came out in the aftermath was that the police were dismissive of the victims as sexually active and for that reason they didn't take it seriously. The following is from a Telegraph article about the Rochdale case:

I think what you say is correct but as its in the news the Police are forced to act. Most of the perpetrators are either taxi drivers, Restaurant owners and drug dealers and they knew that was wrong but the lure of sexual gratification was too much too resist. There is also no doubt that the exchange of money drugs etc for sex is child prostitution.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I think what you say is correct but as its in the news the Police are forced to act. Most of the perpetrators are either taxi drivers, Restaurant owners and drug dealers and they knew that was wrong but the lure of sexual gratification was too much too resist. There is also no doubt that the exchange of money drugs etc for sex is child prostitution.

If they knew it was wrong, then they must have thought they would get away with it, and that is at least partly because it seems the police and social services seem to have been looking the other way. You would hope now that the negligence is being reversed, it will put an end to it happening in the future. This self inflicted grey area which was allowed to fester didn't do the society any favours at all. Removal of British nationality where applicable and extremely harsh sentencing should get the message across to even the dimmest of these perps.

 

[Bewal Express]

If they knew it was wrong, then they must have thought they would get away with it, and that is at least partly because it seems the police and social services seem to have been looking the other way. You would hope now that the negligence is being reversed, it will put an end to it happening in the future. This self inflicted grey area which was allowed to fester didn't do the society any favours at all. Removal of British nationality where applicable and extremely harsh sentencing should get the message across to even the dimmest of these perps.

As i said earlier its very painful for the innocent in our communities that these losers used underage girls for sex but in the long term this being brought into the open will make some of these losers think twice.

 

[cric_man]

That is a damaging assumption, and needs to be backed up with some substance.

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[Cpt. Rishwat]

sp-untold-story-culture-of-shame-ruzwana-bashir

Goes against the media narrative that Asian males are specifically targeting white girls, which would only goes to show that there was an element of racism to the media campaign in the first place.

 

[cric_man]

Goes against the media narrative that Asian males are specifically targeting white girls, which would only goes to show that there was an element of racism to the media campaign in the first place.

I was trying to highlight the fact, that our communities do hide these incidents even when it impacts their immediate family members because it may bring shame to the family. Unfortunately this was just one example. There are many more.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I was trying to highlight the fact, that our communities do hide these incidents even when it impacts their immediate family members because it may bring shame to the family. Unfortunately this was just one example. There are many more.

Yes I was aware that was the gist of the article, and it is an angle which does need to be examined once the current narrative of Asian men targeting white girls has been exhausted. As of now it is not a major concern for the British public it seems. Perhaps we will start seeing it addressed more by the mass media at some point once the white victim anger has subsided.

 

[Abdullah719]

Rotherham grooming gang: seven men guilty of sexual offences

Seven men have been convicted of a series of sexual offences in the biggest prosecution of a Rotherham grooming gang by the National Crime Agency.

The group targeted five vulnerable schoolgirls, using drugs and alcohol to rape and sexually assault their victims between 1998 and 2005, Sheffield crown court heard.

One girl, aged about 14 at the time, was forced by her parents to have an abortion after being raped by a group of men in a forest. Another told how she had been exploited by “100 Asian men” by the age of 16.

The trial is the biggest prosecution to date under the National Crime Agency’s Operation Stovewood investigation into child sexual exploitation in the South Yorkshire town.

The £90m inquiry, which is examining offences committed between 1997 and 2013, has identified 1,523 potential victims and is investigating allegations against 426 people, of whom 151 are designated suspects.

One of the victims was raped or sexually abused by the defendants over a number of years after meeting one of them, university student Salah Ahmed El-Hakam, when she was 11, the court heard.

She was raped in a derelict house in Rotherham town centre and under a bridge, while other girls were forced to perform sex acts in cars and in a derelict factory on the outskirts of Sheffield.

Mohammed Imran Ali Akhtar, a 37-year-old delivery driver, was described by detectives as the ringleader of the group, all of whom lived in Rotherham or were said to visit the town centre regularly to abuse vulnerable girls.

Akhtar targeted teenage girls from troubled backgrounds, including two sisters who had been effectively abandoned by their parents. He was found guilty of one rape, one charge of aiding and abetting rape, three indecent assaults, one charge of procuring a girl under 21 to have unlawful sexual intercourse with another, and one charge of sexual assault.

The girls would be given alcohol and drugs before being subjected to degrading sexual abuse or violence while being passed around groups of Asian men, the prosecutor, Michelle Colborne QC, said.

The sisters were frequently stopped by police when in cars with the abusers, the court heard, but the exploitation continued. The abuse began when one of them was as young as 11, Colborne said.

“These sisters, like so many others, were easy to exploit because they needed to be loved.”

Akhtar, as well as Tanweer Ali, 37, sexually assaulted one of the girls numerous times between 1998 and 2001 when she was under 16, the court heard. In a police video interview recorded years later, the woman said her phone number was “passed around” groups of men who demanded to meet her for sex.

“I can honestly say that by the age of 16 I had slept with 100 Asian men. Some I didn’t see again,” she told police. “The ones who come and use you for one time are the ones who are hard to remember.”

Paul Williamson, the head of Operation Stovewood, said it was not uncommon for victims to have had so many forced sexual encounters after being groomed. “What we are talking about here is sustained abuse over a number of months or years in some cases,” he said.

Two other defendants, Nabeel Kurshid, 39, and Iqlak Yousaf, 34, were among a number of men who raped a girl in Sherwood forest, Nottinghamshire, when she was about 14 years old.

The jury heard how the vulnerable teenager was “high as a kite” after being given drugs and was warned she would be abandoned in the forest unless she complied with her abusers’ demands.

She became pregnant as a result of the attack and was forced by her parents to have a termination, suffering a “great deal of psychological trauma as a result”, Colborne said. The girl’s parents found out about the exploitation but were unsupportive, verbally abusing their daughter and locking her out when she arrived home late.

A sixth defendant, Asif Ali, 33, was found guilty of three indecent assaults, and the seventh, who cannot be named, was found guilty of two rapes.

An eighth defendant, Ajmal Rafiq, 39, was acquitted of one charge of indecent assault and one charge of false imprisonment.

The defendants remained silent as they were led to the court cells after being told by the judge, Sarah Wright, that they would be remanded in custody and sentenced on 16 November.

So far, 14 people have been convicted under Operation Stovewood. A further 24 suspects have been charged and 68 interviewed under caution. The investigation, comprising 250 officers, has recorded 648 grooming crimes over a 16-year period.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...g-gang-seven-men-convicted-of-sexual-offences

 

[Bewal Express]

Rotherham grooming gang: seven men guilty of sexual offences

Seven men have been convicted of a series of sexual offences in the biggest prosecution of a Rotherham grooming gang by the National Crime Agency.

The group targeted five vulnerable schoolgirls, using drugs and alcohol to rape and sexually assault their victims between 1998 and 2005, Sheffield crown court heard.

One girl, aged about 14 at the time, was forced by her parents to have an abortion after being raped by a group of men in a forest. Another told how she had been exploited by “100 Asian men” by the age of 16.

The trial is the biggest prosecution to date under the National Crime Agency’s Operation Stovewood investigation into child sexual exploitation in the South Yorkshire town.

The £90m inquiry, which is examining offences committed between 1997 and 2013, has identified 1,523 potential victims and is investigating allegations against 426 people, of whom 151 are designated suspects.

One of the victims was raped or sexually abused by the defendants over a number of years after meeting one of them, university student Salah Ahmed El-Hakam, when she was 11, the court heard.

She was raped in a derelict house in Rotherham town centre and under a bridge, while other girls were forced to perform sex acts in cars and in a derelict factory on the outskirts of Sheffield.

Mohammed Imran Ali Akhtar, a 37-year-old delivery driver, was described by detectives as the ringleader of the group, all of whom lived in Rotherham or were said to visit the town centre regularly to abuse vulnerable girls.

Akhtar targeted teenage girls from troubled backgrounds, including two sisters who had been effectively abandoned by their parents. He was found guilty of one rape, one charge of aiding and abetting rape, three indecent assaults, one charge of procuring a girl under 21 to have unlawful sexual intercourse with another, and one charge of sexual assault.

The girls would be given alcohol and drugs before being subjected to degrading sexual abuse or violence while being passed around groups of Asian men, the prosecutor, Michelle Colborne QC, said.

The sisters were frequently stopped by police when in cars with the abusers, the court heard, but the exploitation continued. The abuse began when one of them was as young as 11, Colborne said.

“These sisters, like so many others, were easy to exploit because they needed to be loved.”

Akhtar, as well as Tanweer Ali, 37, sexually assaulted one of the girls numerous times between 1998 and 2001 when she was under 16, the court heard. In a police video interview recorded years later, the woman said her phone number was “passed around” groups of men who demanded to meet her for sex.

“I can honestly say that by the age of 16 I had slept with 100 Asian men. Some I didn’t see again,” she told police. “The ones who come and use you for one time are the ones who are hard to remember.”

Paul Williamson, the head of Operation Stovewood, said it was not uncommon for victims to have had so many forced sexual encounters after being groomed. “What we are talking about here is sustained abuse over a number of months or years in some cases,” he said.

Two other defendants, Nabeel Kurshid, 39, and Iqlak Yousaf, 34, were among a number of men who raped a girl in Sherwood forest, Nottinghamshire, when she was about 14 years old.

The jury heard how the vulnerable teenager was “high as a kite” after being given drugs and was warned she would be abandoned in the forest unless she complied with her abusers’ demands.

She became pregnant as a result of the attack and was forced by her parents to have a termination, suffering a “great deal of psychological trauma as a result”, Colborne said. The girl’s parents found out about the exploitation but were unsupportive, verbally abusing their daughter and locking her out when she arrived home late.

A sixth defendant, Asif Ali, 33, was found guilty of three indecent assaults, and the seventh, who cannot be named, was found guilty of two rapes.

An eighth defendant, Ajmal Rafiq, 39, was acquitted of one charge of indecent assault and one charge of false imprisonment.

The defendants remained silent as they were led to the court cells after being told by the judge, Sarah Wright, that they would be remanded in custody and sentenced on 16 November.

So far, 14 people have been convicted under Operation Stovewood. A further 24 suspects have been charged and 68 interviewed under caution. The investigation, comprising 250 officers, has recorded 648 grooming crimes over a 16-year period.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...g-gang-seven-men-convicted-of-sexual-offences

Evil, ugly losers. Long prison sentences are a must.

 

[GBK_Fan]

How do only 7 get sentences? The girls have been on record stating there were more

 

[Devilsadvokat]

How can one explain that their own brethren are accountable for 80 per cent grooming, I have not read the report so forgive me if I present mitigating circumstances, that might already be tackled by the report.

Firstly, Pakistani groomers are called a gang, white groomers, usually act alone, if they do conspire then they are known as rings rather than gangs.

One thing that grinds my gears is how the press and public seem to swallow the lie that the police did not act for fear of being seen as racist, poppycock, the authorities just did not care about the girls, the authorities washed their hands of many vulnerable girls, the public either were ignorant or turned a blind eye, if these girls want to hang around with dirty old men, so be it, would have been the prevailing view, this at a time that kids were given more freedom, more rights, a combination that meant grooming by certain types of Pakistanis was left unchecked.

White groomers are usually online, they used to be on the streets before but have evolved, generally one white groomer will corrupt many girls, whereas with Pakistanis the numbers are reversed with many men targeting individual girls.

These Pakistanis come from the more uneducated parts of Pakistan and sure there is something about our culture the threats non-Muslim girls as fair game.

Another aspect is that the night time economy, take-aways, general stores and taxis in these towns are predominantly run by Pakistanis thereby the interaction of bored, troubled girls and these men is greatly increased.

Some of the girls even at young age probably have the same IQ as the men they meet.

It may seem that I am making excuses for them, I am just turning the kaleidoscope a bit, each one of them deserves their long sentences.

 

[Devilsadvokat]

In the 70's British TV broadcast Public Information films for mostly kids, how to cross the road, don't play near electricity pylons, some themes have become part of the culture like the Charlie Says series.

There used to be one warning kids of the dangers of strangers in cars asking them if they'd like to see some puppies in the back.

Nowadays this might seem as victim blaming and/or demonizing all men with the same brush.

Is there a middle route?

 

[CricketDon]

Honestly I’m a right wing trump supporter when it comes to this sort of stuff.

If they are immigrants and commit such crimes. Deport them back to were they come from and take biometrics of their finger and blacklist them.

If they were born here. Accumulate sentences based on number of offenders with baseline 25 years. So if they commuted a string of offences say 10. 25 years plus 5 years for each offence. That’s 75 years time served.

With no eligibility for parole or reduced sentence for good behaviour.

 

[GBK_Fan]

How can one explain that their own brethren are accountable for 80 per cent grooming, I have not read the report so forgive me if I present mitigating circumstances, that might already be tackled by the report.

Firstly, Pakistani groomers are called a gang, white groomers, usually act alone, if they do conspire then they are known as rings rather than gangs.

One thing that grinds my gears is how the press and public seem to swallow the lie that the police did not act for fear of being seen as racist, poppycock, the authorities just did not care about the girls, the authorities washed their hands of many vulnerable girls, the public either were ignorant or turned a blind eye, if these girls want to hang around with dirty old men, so be it, would have been the prevailing view, this at a time that kids were given more freedom, more rights, a combination that meant grooming by certain types of Pakistanis was left unchecked.

White groomers are usually online, they used to be on the streets before but have evolved, generally one white groomer will corrupt many girls, whereas with Pakistanis the numbers are reversed with many men targeting individual girls.

These Pakistanis come from the more uneducated parts of Pakistan and sure there is something about our culture the threats non-Muslim girls as fair game.

Another aspect is that the night time economy, take-aways, general stores and taxis in these towns are predominantly run by Pakistanis thereby the interaction of bored, troubled girls and these men is greatly increased.

Some of the girls even at young age probably have the same IQ as the men they meet.

It may seem that I am making excuses for them, I am just turning the kaleidoscope a bit, each one of them deserves their long sentences.

Stop being a child rape apologist. You should not be worried about the terminology nor how they are different from white gangs. You should probably worry why so many much reports are popping up all over the country and think how the close knit community can help identify and report these perpetrators. Once you start tackling the issue maybe you can grind your gears on what the press says. Right now this looks like shameless victim blaming

 

[Devilsadvokat]

Stop being a child rape apologist. You should not be worried about the terminology nor how they are different from white gangs. You should probably worry why so many much reports are popping up all over the country and think how the close knit community can help identify and report these perpetrators. Once you start tackling the issue maybe you can grind your gears on what the press says. Right now this looks like shameless victim blaming

Why not worry about terminology, why treat Pakistani groomers different to native groomers isn't that the definition of racism?

I outline why I think there are so many worrying reports and if you wiped away the spittle from your mouth you may have comprehended that.

I was on a radio show panel 15 years ago with MP Anne Cryer discussing this topic, my suggestion was to name and shame at the local mosques.

Child rape - the vast majority of Pakistani groomers are hebephiles or ephebophiles, wanting a girlfriend experience, paedophilia doesn't seem to be a group activity with Pakistanis, those gangs/rings tend to be native.

Just wish the authorities and by extension the public were as concerned as they are now, back then, when the girls were seen as worthless and deserving of their fate.

 

[B@$!T]

With the British law system I assume they will only get 5-10 years in prison each or less and be out in half the time.

 

[imrankhannsu]

Shameful, disgusting and awful human beings. As bad if not worse than terrorists. I am glad some of them had their British nationality revoked!

 

[Robert]

With the British law system I assume they will only get 5-10 years in prison each or less and be out in half the time.

Sentences ranged from 5 to 35 years depending on the type and severity of offence.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Shameful, disgusting and awful human beings. As bad if not worse than terrorists. I am glad some of them had their British nationality revoked!

It would be interesting to know how many of them came here as immigrants in the first place, it might give some insight into whether this is actually immigrant culture as opposed to those born here. I am sure there will be some homegrown sickos as well, but I have a feeling it is more prevalent with those who have come from overseas, probably from some real hick backgrounds wherever they hail from.

 

[Bouncer]

Why not worry about terminology, why treat Pakistani groomers different to native groomers isn't that the definition of racism?

I outline why I think there are so many worrying reports and if you wiped away the spittle from your mouth you may have comprehended that.

I was on a radio show panel 15 years ago with MP Anne Cryer discussing this topic, my suggestion was to name and shame at the local mosques.

Child rape - the vast majority of Pakistani groomers are hebephiles or ephebophiles, wanting a girlfriend experience, paedophilia doesn't seem to be a group activity with Pakistanis, those gangs/rings tend to be native.

Just wish the authorities and by extension the public were as concerned as they are now, back then, when the girls were seen as worthless and deserving of their fate.

YES IT IS. Both in UK and in Pakistan.

 

[imrankhannsu]

It would be interesting to know how many of them came here as immigrants in the first place, it might give some insight into whether this is actually immigrant culture as opposed to those born here. I am sure there will be some homegrown sickos as well, but I have a feeling it is more prevalent with those who have come from overseas, probably from some real hick backgrounds wherever they hail from.

That would also be a good analysis too. But sadly I agree with you

 

[Devilsadvokat]

YES IT IS. Both in UK and in Pakistan.

And nowhere else? Like I said in my initial post on this thread I have not read the report in the OP but all details gleaned seems to suggest that the abused were girls of 12 and above. There may have been outliers, not read reports of Pakistani gangs sharing a 5 year old here in the UK. You could enlighten me and I would never suggest that Pakistanis are above paedophilia.

Do you disagree with any of my other points?

 

[Devilsadvokat]

It would be interesting to know how many of them came here as immigrants in the first place, it might give some insight into whether this is actually immigrant culture as opposed to those born here. I am sure there will be some homegrown sickos as well, but I have a feeling it is more prevalent with those who have come from overseas, probably from some real hick backgrounds wherever they hail from.

Indians in the UK don't usually come from hick areas unlike Pakistanis, like me. Imagine if hick Indians were here and worked night time economy.

Our culture, has a lot to answer for.

As for UK born and bred v Jaan come lately, you may have a point but it doesn't help.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Indians in the UK don't usually come from hick areas unlike Pakistanis, like me. Imagine if hick Indians were here and worked night time economy.

Our culture, has a lot to answer for.

As for UK born and bred v Jaan come lately, you may have a point but it doesn't help.

The only thing that will help in my opinion, is to keep handing out very stiff sentences/deportations until they are all locked up or get the message. Most of the other hoo-ha about Pakistanis making up 80% is driven by racist undertones in my opinion, and the only upshot of driving that message will be rising Islamophobia and racism.

 

[TSA321]

The only thing that will help in my opinion, is to keep handing out very stiff sentences/deportations until they are all locked up or get the message. Most of the other hoo-ha about Pakistanis making up 80% is driven by racist undertones in my opinion, and the only upshot of driving that message will be rising Islamophobia and racism.

That 80% figure is complete garbage, no evidence for it at all. When investigating, they left out dozens of White offenders which would have drastically reduced that figure.

https://medium.com/@Reg_Left_Media/grooming-gangs-quilliam-the-myth-of-the-84-percent-cc834b57fcf3

https://medium.com/@Reg_Left_Media/...ur-evidence-for-your-mythical-84-4b249eddd71c

On a side note, Maajid Nawaz (of Quilliam) recently lied on LBC by claiming the Sikh ringleader in the Huddersfield gang was a Pakistani Muslim when he was committing his crimes. He hasn't apologised for it. It really makes me wonder what agenda he and his group have.

 

[Sidilicious]

It would be interesting to know how many of them came here as immigrants in the first place, it might give some insight into whether this is actually immigrant culture as opposed to those born here. I am sure there will be some homegrown sickos as well, but I have a feeling it is more prevalent with those who have come from overseas, probably from some real hick backgrounds wherever they hail from.

Dont think that would be the case. If anything, the immigrants generally are more hardworking and law abiding than the British born.

What makes you think that its the immigrants who are more likely to be involved with this?

 

[Devilsadvokat]

That 80% figure is complete garbage, no evidence for it at all. When investigating, they left out dozens of White offenders which would have drastically reduced that figure.

https://medium.com/@Reg_Left_Media/grooming-gangs-quilliam-the-myth-of-the-84-percent-cc834b57fcf3

https://medium.com/@Reg_Left_Media/...ur-evidence-for-your-mythical-84-4b249eddd71c

On a side note, Maajid Nawaz (of Quilliam) recently lied on LBC by claiming the Sikh ringleader in the Huddersfield gang was a Pakistani Muslim when he was committing his crimes. He hasn't apologised for it. It really makes me wonder what agenda he and his group have.

Statistics hey. Have they done research on the ethnic backgrounds of doctors groping etc their patients?

 

[shortbread]

Seems never ending, more sent to jail.....

Nine men who raped and abused two teenage girls who were living in a children's home have been jailed.

The girls were aged 14 when the men first began to use drink, drugs and violence to groom and sexually exploit them.

Bradford Crown Court heard the abuse started after the girls moved into the home in 2008.

The nine were convicted of 22 offences including rape and inciting child prostitution.

Sentencing the men to jail terms ranging from 20 years to 18 months, Judge Durham Hall QC said: "You appear not to have shown any respect for the minimum standards of decent behaviour.

Verdicts and sentences
Basharat Khaliq, 38, of Deanwood Crescent, Bradford, was found guilty of five counts of rape and one count of assault by penetration and jailed for 20 years
Saeed Akhtar, 55, of Back Girlington Road, Bradford, was convicted of two counts of inciting child prostitution and one count of rape and jailed for 20 years
Naveed Akhtar, 43, of Newport Place, Bradford, was found guilty of two counts of rape and cleared of one count of rape. He was jailed for 17 years
Parvaze Ahmed 36, of Farcliffe Road, Bradford, was convicted of three counts of rape and jailed for 17 years
Izar Hussain, 32, of St Leonard's Road, Bradford, was found guilty of one count of rape, one count of attempted rape and cleared of two counts of rape. He was jailed for 16 years
Zeeshan Ali, 32, of Durham Terrace, Bradford, was convicted of one count of sexual assault and jailed for 18 months
Kieran Harris, 28, of Fir Parade, Dewsbury, was found guilty of two counts of rape and jailed for 17 years
Faheem Iqbal, 27, of no fixed abode, was convicted of one count of aiding and abetting rape and jailed for seven years
Mohammed Usman, 31, of Quaker Street, Bradford, was found guilty of two counts of rape and jailed for 17 years

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-47388060

Is this the only pass time for desi chavs of northern England?

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Seems never ending, more sent to jail.....



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-47388060

Is this the only pass time for desi chavs of northern England?

And some of their family members still support and stand by them.


https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co...secutors-slags-and-hoped-they-would-be-raped/

 

[SpiritOf1903]

Look how old some are!!! Even if of legal age their activities are abominable.

I went to primary school with one of them!.

 

[MenInG]

Nearly a decade after the abuse of vulnerable girls in Oxford began to be addressed, following years of negligence by police and social services, the last of the so-called Operation Bullfinch trials has ended. How did the sex offenders at the centre of the city's depraved underworld finally come to face justice?

Oxford, 2011. For nearly a year detectives have been receiving reports of girls disappearing, some as young as 13, only to return days later, refusing to tell anyone where they had been.

Sometimes they would be bruised, bleeding and half-naked.

For the past few months a Thames Valley Police team has been investigating the cases, but making little headway.

But in the early hours of 14 November, the man leading the small group, Det Insp Simon Morton, made a connection that would spark the biggest criminal investigation in the city's history.

The senior investigating officer said he had just finished debriefing a surveillance team when the "penny dropped".

As he sat in the police briefing room and stared at the names of suspects written on a whiteboard, Mr Morton suddenly realised he wasn't looking merely at a set of sexual predators, but a highly organised crime group.

"I started scribbling like mad," he said. "In honesty, I was annoyed I hadn't seen it before - it was so bloody obvious."

From that moment, detectives and social workers began to identify a web of offenders and expose a criminal enterprise that involved the grooming, trafficking and rape of vulnerable girls.

The affluent university city was soon to learn of the world of sadistic sex abuse that had been flourishing in its eastern suburbs.

Over the past decade and through six trials, 18 victims have recounted their experiences, leading to the convictions of 21 men for offences spanning the late 1990s to the late 2000s.

Over seven years, dozens of jurors have heard how girls were "sucked into the vortex" of the gang.

For legal reasons, the links between the trials could not be reported until the recent conclusion of the final court case.

The men, mostly British citizens of Pakistani origin, operated in the Cowley Road area, where student digs sit alongside family homes, and ethnic food shops and pawnbrokers neighbour hip bars and vibrant restaurants.

The group was organised. There were those tasked with grooming, there were runners and enforcers.

There were "friendly" estate agents who allowed access to properties where the gang's victims would be "pimped out" as sexual commodities for their abusers' financial gain.

The younger gang members would linger outside shops and parks chatting to the girls as they passed.

Many from dysfunctional homes, these children would be treated like grown-ups, supplied with drugs and alcohol and, as one judge said, provided with a "sense of belonging, a sense of esteem".

Such was the gang's hold over its victims, when one of the girls was left naked and abandoned after a gang rape, it was one of her abusers she phoned for help, not her social worker or the police.

Some of the girls contracted sexually transmitted infections and became pregnant - or both - with one 12-year-old girl, who was branded with the initial of a man who claimed to "own her", being made to have a back-room abortion.

One 15-year-old victim, raped by gang ringleader Anjum Dogar and the case's most prolific offender Mohammed Karrar in 2004, told the BBC she had an abortion and did not know who the baby's father was.

Mr Morton said the men's victims went from "one minute believing in Father Christmas and the Easter bunny and the next they are being sold" for sex.

Unemployed Karrar would spend his days with his wife at his parents' house in Cowley and his nights with his girlfriend - when he was not carrying out horrific acts of child abuse.

In 2005, he had two children by the two women, born less than two weeks apart.

Dogar and his brother Akhtar, who "ruled the Cowley Road", were the ringleaders of the grooming gang and, according to the victims, the other gang members were scared of them.

The question for detectives was, if none of the girls would co-operate with social services and the police after they had been reported missing, how could their abusers be stopped?

In Rotherham and Rochdale, similar grooming gangs were coming to light. Mr Morton visited the investigation team in Rotherham, swapping notes.

One tactic Mr Morton's team used was to get consent from the parents of some victims to take the girls' underwear to be tested for DNA, to try to establish who was sexually abusing them.

"We didn't start with any victims. No-one came forward... we had to find the victims and then find the offenders," Mr Morton said.

"Normally we deal with things that are told to us, not things that aren't told to us."

In a statement read at the sentencing of the final three defendants last month, Oxford Crown Court heard how one victim turned to crack cocaine to deal with the trauma she had experienced, which led her to a "life of crime" to fund her habit.

She said: "I struggle to live a normal life day to day. I still have a fear of going outside. I feel my life has been taken away from me.

"My life has been destroyed. I cannot form loving or lasting relationships with men. I have not been able to care for my children as a mother should be able to."

The abuse survivor, now an adult, said for many years she never told anyone what had happened to her because she felt "scared and embarrassed".

"This has ruined my chances of a normal life."

The team checked missing persons files, care home, hospital and truancy records. Detectives managed to track down one woman who told officers she had been abused as a teenager.

"I realised it was the same blokes she was talking about from six years earlier and it was then I realised the extent of the offending," Mr Morton said.

"We were able to make the leap between the years and the fact they were so organised as a crime group. I was able to show it spanned all those years."

After the first trial in 2013, seven men were jailed for crimes against six girls. Over the following years, men accused of similar crimes in Rochdale, Rotherham, Manchester, Newcastle and Telford would go on trial.

The same day the first group of Oxford abusers was sentenced, 27 June 2013, Mr Morton retired from the force.

The scale of the abuse was not reflected in the cases that came to court - a serious case review published in 2015 found as many as 373 children, including 50 boys, might have been targeted in Oxfordshire over a 16-year period.

The review found "many errors" were made across the Thames Valley force and social services, both of which "failed to see that these children were being groomed in an organised way by groups of men".

At the time, Mr Morton said there was "no hiding" from these failures, adding that "in some aspects, calls for help were ignored".

Despite the lengthy prison sentences given to the seven men who were convicted in 2013, Det Ch Insp Mark Glover - who replaced Mr Morton as Operation Bullfinch's lead detective - knew "there was still a lot more work to do" investigating crimes that pre-dated those that were the focus of that trial.

Mr Glover's colleague Det Insp Nicola Douglas said "it was almost like forming a queue" in bringing further cases to court.

She said police had to be "really honest" with the victims, who could not "expect quick justice".

She said victims they approached would often say "this girl called so-and-so was at the party" and provide the nicknames of the suspects.

"Immediately, we knew this was Bullfinch-related. It was all the same names - they were names habitually victims spoke about."

Due to the time that had passed, there was no CCTV evidence, nor were there social media or smartphone records to analyse.

"It was about getting outside, tracking people down, finding all the records," said Mr Glover.

Many of the victims who were identified did not want to give evidence.

"We were knocking on people's doors, maybe professional people, who were married with families, and just the knocking on the door and saying, 'we're from Bullfinch'... it brings it all back to them," Mr Glover said.

He said he believed his team approached between 250 and 300 women. About a dozen would give evidence over the five trials that followed the first court case.

Senior crown prosecutor Clare Tucker said the cases were built on "a number of girls giving evidence of a similar nature about one particular man".

"It was putting together a set of circumstances that the jury could comfortably be sure was believable and that was what had happened," she said.

The prosecutor, who prepared the case files for every trial, said evidence of how girls had been "groomed over the years" was key to showing "they weren't really consenting, they were submitting".

For Mr Morton, the investigation his team started has changed policing forever.

"There's a crime category [child sexual exploitation] that in the past hadn't existed and all of sudden, once you realise that there's all this abuse going on in every city and nearly every town, it makes you realise how many victims there are out there - how many young girls are being picked off the street and turned into something they're not."

Mr Glover, who retired in 2018 but returned to Thames Valley Police as a civilian investigator, accepts that the end of Operation Bullfinch is not the conclusion of this harrowing story.

"There are a lot of men who have escaped justice," he said.

"There's a lot of males out there who must be sweating a little bit because they know that we know."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-51467518

 

[saeedhk]

Awful!The UK has been very lenient with them. They all should have been deported to Pakistan.

 

[Robert]

Awful!The UK has been very lenient with them. They all should have been deported to Pakistan.

We cannot deport born British citizens. All we can do is punish them and try to reform them.

 

[Robert]

There seems to be a combination of factors regarding these gangs.

- networks of Muslim men from D and E socioeconomic groups
- night time economy, related to minicams and takeaways
- contempt for Western women‘s mode of dress and sexual mores
- white girls from vulnerable backgrounds victimised

 

[saeedhk]

We cannot deport born British citizens. All we can do is punish them and try to reform them.

You are correct!

 

[saeedhk]

There seems to be a combination of factors regarding these gangs.

- networks of Muslim men from D and E socioeconomic groups
- night time economy, related to minicams and takeaways
- contempt for Western women‘s mode of dress and sexual mores
- white girls from vulnerable backgrounds victimised

These monsters see skimpily-dressed girls as fair game.

 

[imrankhannsu]

Shameful facts

 

[Local.Dada]

“Asians” in the title is a little misleading but I understand.

This is why a sound immigration policy needs to be implemented be it in US or Europe or even India.