Asians make up 80% of child groomers – study

[SalimBhai]

There are at least 10 different categories of sexual offences in the UK, and “sexual grooming” is one of them. Conviction data from the Ministry of Justice (MoJ) shows that only 6% of the offenders convicted of all sexual offences between 2011 and 2017 are Asian. The sample size for group-based exploitation is not reliable according to the Home Office report from 2020.

In the records of defendants prosecuted
for child sexual abuse offences in 2020, the defendant’s broad ethnic background was recorded in 71% of cases. Among these individuals, the vast majority were White (89%), 6% were Asian, 3% were Black, 1% were from mixed ethnic backgrounds, and 1% were from “other” ethnic backgrounds.

Also, there is a difference between “grooming gangs” and “pedophile rings” - the latter are which white men are substantially over-represented in, as well as image offences.

We can’t also ignore the fact that there have been so many high profile cases such as Jimmy Saville, Catholic Church, Church of England, Care Homes Gary Glitter, David Carrick (the UK’s most prolific serial rapist). Also “sex tourism” occurs where white men travel to countries such as Philippines, Thailand etc. and commit sexual offences, upon return to the UK a lot of them get caught with thousands of “category A” indecent images.

To top it off, about 97% of women in the UK have been sexual assaulted or have experienced some form of assault or harassment. Can’t blame immigrants or ethnic minorities for that, considering even the highest prevalence rate of domestic violence is amongst white people.

I can provide references for everything mentioned above if requested.

You also have to take in consideration what percentage of the general population does each thing group makes.

 

[daytrader]

It's not unique. Its a crime like other crimes. It was just high profile because the nature of the horror. Like a serial killer. But it is not unique. Stop failing into this trap.

No doubt it not a unique crime. What's unique to me, is Pakistanis being involved to the level they are in the UK. It's a blemish on the entire diaspora

 

[Energy]

As a Pakistani, these sort of statistics don't paint a positive image of us. We all know the visa troubles for genuine Pakistanis wanting to get an education, employment, take a vacation abroad etc. These issues just make it worse.

Justifying the volume doesn't make the crime look any smaller. This isn't a British Pakistani problem though, this is a Pakistani problem. Madrassa grooming issues go uncovered in Pakistan as well.

 

[MenInG]

The Foreign Office (FO) on Wednesday took exception to British Home Secretary Suella Braverman’s “discriminatory and xenophobic” remarks on Pakistani men, saying that they painted a “misleading picture”.

A day earlier, Braverman said that British-Pakistani men “hold cultural values at odds with British values”.

During a Sky News interview about plans to tackle child sexual abuse, she spoke about “the predominance of British-Pakistani males who hold cultural values totally at odds with British values”.

“[British-Pakistani men] see women in a demeaned, illegitimate way, and pursue an outdated and frankly heinous approach to the way we behave,” Braverman commented after she was informed that a Home Office report in 2020 concluded that most child sexual abuse gangs are made up of white men under the age of 30, and that there was not enough evidence to suggest members of grooming gangs were disproportionately more likely to be Asian or black.

Braverman instead pointed to reports from Rotherham, which was rocked by a child sexual exploitation scandal in which five British-Pakistani men were convicted of grooming, raping and exploiting young girls. The home secretary also cited a 2015 report penned by Dame Louise Casey CB, which ironically noted how the British-Pakistani community had been “harmed by association” in the scandal.

Her comments were largely criticised by political commentators and children’s charities as “inflammatory” and akin to initiating “race wars”.

Responding to Braverman’s remarks in a press briefing today, the FO spokesperson said that the remarks painted a “highly misleading picture signalling the intent to target and treat British Pakistanis differently”.

Baloch stated that the UK home secretary had “erroneously branded criminal behaviour of some individuals as a representation of the entire community”.

“She fails to take note of the systemic racism and ghettoisation of communities and omits to recognize the tremendous cultural, economic and political contributions that British Pakistanis continue to make in British society,” she added.

DAWN

 

[the Great Khan]

I believe the main points that Pakistani males have a higher preponderence for street grooming and grooming as a gang on the street. I would like to see the criteria, sample number, parameters used to come to figures of x20, x17. The statistics company used could.be employed by a group invested in painting Pakistani males in the baddest light possible, but imo x10 is still a bad figure. x5 is a bad figure.

Where is your source. Your info above is unsourced

 

[the Great Khan]

As a Pakistani, these sort of statistics don't paint a positive image of us. We all know the visa troubles for genuine Pakistanis wanting to get an education, employment, take a vacation abroad etc. These issues just make it worse.

Justifying the volume doesn't make the crime look any smaller. This isn't a British Pakistani problem though, this is a Pakistani problem. Madrassa grooming issues go uncovered in Pakistan as well.

My God. Has everyone lost their sense of critical thinking.

Firstly the statistics above are unsourc3d. And are from right wing sources that have been discredited.

Secondly the overwhelming majority of child abusers are white males. Including thisnform of child abuse.

Thirdly it is unhelpful to target an ethnicity for a particular crime. We could do the same and say why are Indians more likely to rape based on a statistic. This is not the way.

Please stop this navel gazing. You are failing into a trap. Use your common sense.

And before the holier ones say I'm in denial I am not. I have a daughter and am accutely aware of issues in this society.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

No doubt it not a unique crime. What's unique to me, is Pakistanis being involved to the level they are in the UK. It's a blemish on the entire diaspora

It's not a blemish on the entire diaspora. If we want to target diasporas in such a way then we should be prepared to do the same with any diaspora for other crimes. I am yet to see stats being produced for sexual crimes committed by white Brits for example. Certainly from what I recall the original paedo rings and snuff rings which involved very young children, were predominantly white.

This doesn't mean I think the link with Asian grooming should be ignored by the way, I just feel that we need to apply the race factor more evenly across other such crimes if we are going down that route.

 

[SalimBhai]

The Foreign Office (FO) on Wednesday took exception to British Home Secretary Suella Braverman’s “discriminatory and xenophobic” remarks on Pakistani men, saying that they painted a “misleading picture”.

A day earlier, Braverman said that British-Pakistani men “hold cultural values at odds with British values”.

During a Sky News interview about plans to tackle child sexual abuse, she spoke about “the predominance of British-Pakistani males who hold cultural values totally at odds with British values”.

“[British-Pakistani men] see women in a demeaned, illegitimate way, and pursue an outdated and frankly heinous approach to the way we behave,” Braverman commented after she was informed that a Home Office report in 2020 concluded that most child sexual abuse gangs are made up of white men under the age of 30, and that there was not enough evidence to suggest members of grooming gangs were disproportionately more likely to be Asian or black.

Braverman instead pointed to reports from Rotherham, which was rocked by a child sexual exploitation scandal in which five British-Pakistani men were convicted of grooming, raping and exploiting young girls. The home secretary also cited a 2015 report penned by Dame Louise Casey CB, which ironically noted how the British-Pakistani community had been “harmed by association” in the scandal.

Her comments were largely criticised by political commentators and children’s charities as “inflammatory” and akin to initiating “race wars”.

Responding to Braverman’s remarks in a press briefing today, the FO spokesperson said that the remarks painted a “highly misleading picture signalling the intent to target and treat British Pakistanis differently”.

Baloch stated that the UK home secretary had “erroneously branded criminal behaviour of some individuals as a representation of the entire community”.

“She fails to take note of the systemic racism and ghettoisation of communities and omits to recognize the tremendous cultural, economic and political contributions that British Pakistanis continue to make in British society,” she added.

DAWN

Have to agree with this article

 

[Local.Dada]

Firstly I agree with the sentiment of some British Pakistanis here. The way the minister phrased her statement. stereotypes the entire Pakistani community. It’s not good especially in an extremely racist country like the UK. No matter how much secular/woke they try to be, the underlying sensibilities are still extremely racist.

Having said that yes some British Pakistanis are involved in such filthy activities.

British Pakistanis have constantly been accused in some cases unfairly due to some idiots spreading terrorism from that community.

The mental health and child welfare issues due to cousin marriages, chain immigration and other societal issues have also been a constant reason why British Pakistanis are stereotypyed.

Now I don’t know if we are talking about a few groomers who happen to be terrorists who happen to violate the norms of basic British sensibilities. I think the sum of all parts individually sticks out due to which the phobia arises.

I am only concerned if this outrage would
Spill over to atrocities against Indian and other Muslim/ East Indian minorities who are just living their lives. As much as British Pakistanis see themselves as a different entity, the world sees them as the same people as Indians outside of these kind of news articles.

The sample size of my interactions with Brit Pakistanis is limited outside of social media and basing from my personal experience with American and Middle East settled Pakistanis or from what I see from Pakistanis in Pakistanis these days, I feel the Brit Pakistani community gets more defensive and show delusions of grandeur about their status than the other Pakistanis. First step of progress is acceptance let’s hope we get there.

I want nothing short of capital punishment for such **** like these groomers. At the same time hope some innocent Pakistani or East Asian looking guy doesn’t get attacked.

 

[Local.Dada]

My God. Has everyone lost their sense of critical thinking.

Firstly the statistics above are unsourc3d. And are from right wing sources that have been discredited.

Secondly the overwhelming majority of child abusers are white males. Including thisnform of child abuse.

Thirdly it is unhelpful to target an ethnicity for a particular crime. We could do the same and say why are Indians more likely to rape based on a statistic. This is not the way.

Please stop this navel gazing. You are failing into a trap. Use your common sense.

And before the holier ones say I'm in denial I am not. I have a daughter and am accutely aware of issues in this society.

https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN04334/SN04334.pdf

This is an official British website. Please look at the numbers of top 10 prisoners by nationality and religion. Page 13 and 14 if it helps.

I am not insinuating that everyone is like that but you don’t have to convince me or yourself. There is a problem.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Firstly I agree with the sentiment of some British Pakistanis here. The way the minister phrased her statement. stereotypes the entire Pakistani community. It’s not good especially in an extremely racist country like the UK. No matter how much secular/woke they try to be, the underlying sensibilities are still extremely racist.

Having said that yes some British Pakistanis are involved in such filthy activities.

British Pakistanis have constantly been accused in some cases unfairly due to some idiots spreading terrorism from that community.

The mental health and child welfare issues due to cousin marriages, chain immigration and other societal issues have also been a constant reason why British Pakistanis are stereotypyed.

Now I don’t know if we are talking about a few groomers who happen to be terrorists who happen to violate the norms of basic British sensibilities. I think the sum of all parts individually sticks out due to which the phobia arises.

I am only concerned if this outrage would
Spill over to atrocities against Indian and other Muslim/ East Indian minorities who are just living their lives. As much as British Pakistanis see themselves as a different entity, the world sees them as the same people as Indians outside of these kind of news articles.

The sample size of my interactions with Brit Pakistanis is limited outside of social media and basing from my personal experience with American and Middle East settled Pakistanis or from what I see from Pakistanis in Pakistanis these days, I feel the Brit Pakistani community gets more defensive and show delusions of grandeur about their status than the other Pakistanis. First step of progress is acceptance let’s hope we get there.

I want nothing short of capital punishment for such **** like these groomers. At the same time hope some innocent Pakistani or East Asian looking guy doesn’t get attacked.

Pakistani is itself a relatively recent nationality, many Indians (and Afghans for that matter) argue that it is a false nation. India even as it exists now has a huge range of different regions, languages and cultures according to your own posters. We have often heard the woeful cry of BIMARU gonna BIMARU from posters such as [MENTION=132715]Varun[/MENTION].

So I would contest if we are going to pin racial blame here, then British Pakistani is a red herring, we must look deeper at regional roots of the problem. Since I don't believe in partition personally I would look on these as Indian regions culturally, so I think it is only right to discuss this as Asian grooming if we are going down that route.

Also if innocent East Asians get attacked, well that should be a telling pointer as to why racial profiling is being done in this instance. They all look the same to the native Brit whatever your protests.

 

[Waq]

Firstly I agree with the sentiment of some British Pakistanis here. The way the minister phrased her statement. stereotypes the entire Pakistani community. It’s not good especially in an extremely racist country like the UK. No matter how much secular/woke they try to be, the underlying sensibilities are still extremely racist.

Having said that yes some British Pakistanis are involved in such filthy activities.

British Pakistanis have constantly been accused in some cases unfairly due to some idiots spreading terrorism from that community.

The mental health and child welfare issues due to cousin marriages, chain immigration and other societal issues have also been a constant reason why British Pakistanis are stereotypyed.

Now I don’t know if we are talking about a few groomers who happen to be terrorists who happen to violate the norms of basic British sensibilities. I think the sum of all parts individually sticks out due to which the phobia arises.

I am only concerned if this outrage would
Spill over to atrocities against Indian and other Muslim/ East Indian minorities who are just living their lives. As much as British Pakistanis see themselves as a different entity, the world sees them as the same people as Indians outside of these kind of news articles.

The sample size of my interactions with Brit Pakistanis is limited outside of social media and basing from my personal experience with American and Middle East settled Pakistanis or from what I see from Pakistanis in Pakistanis these days, I feel the Brit Pakistani community gets more defensive and show delusions of grandeur about their status than the other Pakistanis. First step of progress is acceptance let’s hope we get there.

I want nothing short of capital punishment for such **** like these groomers. At the same time hope some innocent Pakistani or East Asian looking guy doesn’t get attacked.

This seems a balanced post.

I’m glad that Suella Braverman has had her wrists slapped as her statement suggested all Pakistani men are groomers and don’t hold correct moral values. This has infuriated me as I look like them and my name sounds like these sexual groomers.

I also dislike statements from posters who are getting defensive and saying what about baby fiddling paedos and what about Epstein. This is deflecting and making the matter worse. We should stand up, express our displeasure at such crimes and show the world that the majority of us are not like these criminals.

Bottom line is there is a disproportionate amount of Pakistani men who are involved in grooming young teenage girls and prostituting them and passing them around. It is sickening and unacceptable.

We can talk about the cultural, educational geographical and affluent reasons all day long and argue but it is wrong - period. Nobody here thankfully disagrees.

We can also discuss that some these girls are genuinely promiscuous and also argue that the girls parents are partially to blame too but we don’t need to take advantage and sleep with them!

Yes many white people are involved in sickening stuff with babies and many white people go abroad for paedo holidays but this is not the headlines.

I’ll be a bit positive and say that a lot of these high profile grooming cases seem to have been reduced over the last few years due to more awareness and more switched on police and social workers.

It would be nice if we all agreed that if members of the Pakistani community commit sex grooming that online we condemn it and if we don’t feel we should then at least don’t cry racism and what about this and that.

 

[Waq]

This is a 2020 article and I find it quite balanced on the reality.

Nasir Afzal who is the high profile CPS prosecutor for the Rotherham grooming case acknowledges that most grooming gangs are white but Asian Pakistani men stats are also disproportionately high.

https://amp.theguardian.com/politic...xual-abuse-gangs-white-men-home-office-report

 

[Local.Dada]

We have often heard the woeful cry of BIMARU gonna BIMARU from posters such as [MENTION=132715]Varun[/MENTION].

I don’t have much to add to everything else you said but this is wrong interpretation.

BIMARU has nothing to with an ethnic or racial sterotype. It refers to those regions of India which has had years of political corruption, mafia which led to lawlessness in that area. It’s an acronym that represents the names of the states that fall under that category and also a play on words as Bimar also translates to “sick” in Hindi.

 

[Abel Reames]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-65189785

When I first saw the headline, West Midlands, over 20 defendants I thought Suella Braverman had timed her racist comments for maximum effect.

Well colour me shocked one of the biggest grooming gangs and they are white natives.

Also the ages of the abused are 12 and under which is the definition of paedophile- as in sexual interest in children who are prepubescent.

Those who abuse/groom girls above 13 to say 16 are not peadophiles, they have different terms.

 

[Zaz]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-65189785

When I first saw the headline, West Midlands, over 20 defendants I thought Suella Braverman had timed her racist comments for maximum effect.

Well colour me shocked one of the biggest grooming gangs and they are white natives.

Also the ages of the abused are 12 and under which is the definition of paedophile- as in sexual interest in children who are prepubescent.

Those who abuse/groom girls above 13 to say 16 are not peadophiles, they have different terms.

Will she be speaking out on the back of this story about white grooming gangs and how these children are bein exploited by gangs of white british men and women who work in child abuse rings or network?

Shes wilfully misleading the public and stoking hostility towards a particular minority group using racist rhetoric trying to deflect from other cases such as the above

I dont think so

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

This is a 2020 article and I find it quite balanced on the reality.

Nasir Afzal who is the high profile CPS prosecutor for the Rotherham grooming case acknowledges that most grooming gangs are white but Asian Pakistani men stats are also disproportionately high.

https://amp.theguardian.com/politic...xual-abuse-gangs-white-men-home-office-report

Nazir Afzal is the Pakistani version of Suella. That's not to say what he says is wrong per se, but that he was selected to say it on behalf of a white audience for a reason.

 

[the Great Khan]

You also have to take in consideration what percentage of the general population does each thing group makes.

Keep at it...some people just don't want to listen.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

This seems a balanced post.

I’m glad that Suella Braverman has had her wrists slapped as her statement suggested all Pakistani men are groomers and don’t hold correct moral values. This has infuriated me as I look like them and my name sounds like these sexual groomers.

I also dislike statements from posters who are getting defensive and saying what about baby fiddling paedos and what about Epstein. This is deflecting and making the matter worse. We should stand up, express our displeasure at such crimes and show the world that the majority of us are not like these criminals.

Why do you feel the need to explain yourself on behalf of your "race" then? Does Mr Jonathan Smythe-Richards feel his race has to take collective responsibility for white pervs?

 

[Waq]

Nazir Afzal is the Pakistani version of Suella. That's not to say what he says is wrong per se, but that he was selected to say it on behalf of a white audience for a reason.

Can you justify your statement about Nasir Afzal? It appears you don’t respect or like him?

From what I know of him in the media, he is a honourable man a great role model for British Pakistanis.

 

[Waq]

Why do you feel the need to explain yourself on behalf of your "race" then? Does Mr Jonathan Smythe-Richards feel his race has to take collective responsibility for white pervs?

I’m of a British Pakistani background and we are being attacked in the media. The convicted men look like me and I don’t want to be tarred by the same brush and I’m happy to condemn them as there is a problem within our community too. What’s hard to understand about this?

 

[KingKhanWC]

She is a Buddhist. Born to a Christian father and hindu mother, married to a jew.

But ofcourse you will spout your nonsense.

No pakistani ruled over India, ever. Get out of that delusion.

She's Indian and also reveres Hinduism, thats enough for me.

Muslims ruled over India for a 1000 years , this is the issue with many Non-Muslims Indians.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Can you justify your statement about Nasir Afzal? It appears you don’t respect or like him?

From what I know of him in the media, he is a honourable man a great role model for British Pakistanis.

I specifically said what he said wasn't wrong per se, just that he's been selected to say it on behalf of a white audience. It's not about him, it's about how he is being used.

I’m of a British Pakistani background and we are being attacked in the media. The convicted men look like me and I don’t want to be tarred by the same brush and I’m happy to condemn them as there is a problem within our community too. What’s hard to understand about this?

There's nothing hard to understand about it. I just asked why Mr Jonathan Smythe-Richards doesn't feel his race has to take collective responsibility for white pervs. What's hard to understand about that?

 

[Buffet]

I’m of a British Pakistani background and we are being attacked in the media. The convicted men look like me and I don’t want to be tarred by the same brush and I’m happy to condemn them as there is a problem within our community too. What’s hard to understand about this?

I don't think government officials should make genialized statements. Having said that some won't have capacity to see the problem clearly so you are wasting your time.

 

[cricketjoshila]

She's Indian and also reveres Hinduism, thats enough for me.

Muslims ruled over India for a 1000 years , this is the issue with many Non-Muslims Indians.

So you hate her because she respects another religion other than hers? Abd because of her origin?

Those Muslims had nothing to do with Pakistan. The territory that is Pakistan was itself conquered ravaged pillaged by invading hordes.

Haven't heard any hindu calling Pakistanis as conquerors or rulers.

 

[KingKhanWC]

So you hate her because she respects another religion other than hers? Abd because of her origin?

Those Muslims had nothing to do with Pakistan. The territory that is Pakistan was itself conquered ravaged pillaged by invading hordes.

Haven't heard any hindu calling Pakistanis as conquerors or rulers.

She is terrible at her job is the main reason.

Muslims conquered Hindus, ruled over them. Call them what they like.

As for this woman, she is a Hindu supporter of Indian background. I wonder what her view is of the millions of children abused, raped, hurt by Hindus in India? There are over 10 million children in prostitution, the real number would be higher imo.

 

[TSA321]

https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN04334/SN04334.pdf

This is an official British website. Please look at the numbers of top 10 prisoners by nationality and religion. Page 13 and 14 if it helps.

I am not insinuating that everyone is like that but you don’t have to convince me or yourself. There is a problem.

You're referencing a table which shows there are 277 Pakistani nationals in UK jails and claiming that this shows "there is a problem". This table doesn't show how many nationals there are in the country for each of those nationalities. You can clearly see here that Pakistani nationals have a below average crime rate and are on the lower end of the table.

You then reference a table which shows prison population by religion without bearing in mind that thousands of people convert to Islam in various for various reasons. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_to_Islam_in_prisons
This is the main reason Muslims appear overrepresented in prison by much, because people are switching to the religion in prison.
Additionally these stats in the link are for all crime overall whereas this topic is for a very specific type of crime only. Bizarre and irrelevant post overall.

 

[Waq]

I specifically said what he said wasn't wrong per se, just that he's been selected to say it on behalf of a white audience. It's not about him, it's about how he is being used.



There's nothing hard to understand about it. I just asked why Mr Jonathan Smythe-Richards doesn't feel his race has to take collective responsibility for white pervs. What's hard to understand about that?

Again on what basis are you saying that Nasir Afzal has been selected by government / is a stooge / a puppet? Is it your opinion or factually based? I’ve only seen Nasir Afzal proudly as a British Pakistani who performs his civic duties to a high level.

I’m not taking collective responsibility, you missed my point. I said that if a British Pakistani is convicted then we should all agree they deserve it, not say what about white people doing it.

I also have condemned politicians for targeting Pakistanis.

 

[SalimBhai]

Pakistani child sex abuse is an open secret
The first time Rahim* was raped by a family member, he was six years old. In the early Nineties, three of Rahim’s uncles immigrated from Pakistan to the small town in Southern Ontario, Canada where Rahim’s family lived. He was five years old at the time; his elder sisters were nine and 14, and his baby brother was a new-born. The sexual abuse started almost immediately. Rahim says he was raped by one of his uncles “extremely frequently” for five years: two to three times a week, every week. His sisters weren’t spared either.

When he was eight, Rahim told one of his sisters that he had seen their uncle naked on numerous occasions. Both of them realised that they, along with their other sister, were being sexually abused after their daily Quran class with him. “Each day he’d pick who gets to leave and who gets to stay,” Rahim says. “I got the worst of it.


In the liberal West, just implying that Pakistani communities have high rates of child sexual abuse (CSA) can result in accusations of bigotry. The subject is even more unmentionable in Pakistan itself. The nation has one of the highest rates of child sexual abuse in the world: over half a million children are raped there every year. (That is a conservative estimate.) According to recent reports, children are most at risk from the age of six, with nine being the most common age to be raped.

As the grooming gang scandals erupting in the UK have shown, this permissive attitude towards CSA seems to be spreading. A new documentary by GBNews attempts to uncover why the abuse scandal in Rotherham — in which more than 1,500 underage, often impoverished, white girls were groomed and raped by gangs of Pakistani men — was allowed to go on for decades without the authorities intervening. One obvious reason is that these authorities were afraid of being seen as “racist” for focusing the investigation on the predominantly Pakistani men who are running these rings. But it’s equally important to recognise that these crimes were covered up by the Pakistani community itself, which allowed abusers to continue with impunity. The documentary shows how Pakistani-British policemen and Rotherham city councillors either tried to suppress reports about the scandal, or deny it was happening at all.

To reject the uncomfortable truth is the modus operandi in Pakistan, where more than 12 children are reported to be sexually abused every day. In the tight-knit, working-class communities where it’s most likely to take place, fear of bringing “shame” on the family is prioritised over safeguarding individuals, even if they’re children. A conservative attitude towards discussing topics of a sexual nature doesn’t help. A 2013 report by Save The Children offers an insight into how family dynamics play out when CSA is uncovered in Pakistan, where its prevalence “appears to be high”. Of the 99% of mothers in Pakistan who were aware of CSA, around one-fifth either considered children as compliant, or blamed them for the abuse. Confronted with the grizzly details of such crimes, it is common for Pakistanis to downplay their severity, with men often seeing it as “a part of life”, to use the report’s phrase.

In Rahim’s family, when the eldest sister finally told their mother that an uncle had regularly raped three of the four children in the house, Rahim’s mother didn’t believe her, instead accusing her of “being hysterical and dramatic”. When her siblings insisted that the abuse was, in fact, happening, their mother finally confronted the uncle — but didn’t mention it to Rahim’s father, a marine engineer who was away from home for up to 10 months of the year. The uncle apologised, and the abuse stopped — but just for a few months. It was only when the uncle got married and moved out that the children’s five-year ordeal finally came to an end. By then, Rahim says, the eldest sister’s “problems started manifesting because of the trauma and she started rebelling”, eventually running away from home and telling the authorities about the abuse. When Rahim’s father was told, he didn’t believe any of it was true.

We have to recognise that these attitudes are cultural, if we are to understand what happened in Rotherham. Mohammed Shafiq, chief executive of The Ramadhan Foundation UK, has often commented on the over-representation of Pakistani men involved in grooming gangs in the West: “They think that white teenage girls are worthless and can be abused without a second thought.” In communities where parents are willing to sacrifice their own children in order to “keep the peace”, it’s rare for anyone to stick their neck out to speak up for the rights of poor and vulnerable white girls, who are considered outsiders. The general attitude seems to be: those non-Muslim “white slags” had it coming.

Predators exploit the high-trust environment enjoyed by citizens in more developed nations, such as the UK and Canada. Girls outside the Pakistani community are more accessible to predators because they have greater social freedom; the most accessible are those without reliable carers. One of the eeriest moments in the documentary was when a victim of the grooming gangs described what happened to her as “normal”. The sexual abuse of young girls like her was so commonplace in these towns, they didn’t think it was unusual to be drugged, gang raped, and trafficked by young men who passed themselves off as the girls’ boyfriends. Is this what a multicultural society is supposed to tolerate under the guise of “social cohesion”?

Unfortunately, the Pakistani community is still not ready to talk about CSA — a fact recognised by those few British Pakistanis who have spoken out against it. Shame and honour codes hold too much power, and those codes are hard to change. Shafiq, of The Ramadhan Foundation, notes that “for years some British Pakistanis have deliberately buried their heads in the sand about these predatory grooming gangs”. When family members of perpetrators were interviewed, they described white girls as “filthy”, commenting on their clothing, and saying, “they have no shame, no fear of Allah”. When asked how she would feel if her own daughter were abused, the Pakistani wife of one of the predators replied: “It can’t happen to our children because they are not in the streets. We look after them.”

When Rahim’s uncle was finally arrested, following the revelation that he had abused other children in the neighbourhood, the Pakistani community came together to do damage control. By this point, the abuser had two young children of his own. Rahim’s parents were advised by other Pakistani immigrants not to talk about his crimes because “they didn’t want the family’s image to be tarnished in the community”. They put pressure on Rahim to write a letter to the judge asking for a lighter sentence, their logic being that his cousins shouldn’t be made to grow up without a father.

“I was young at the time,” Rahim reflects. “I just did whatever the adults told me to do, so I wrote it.” His uncle went to prison for two years. When he was released, he and his family moved to Alberta. “His wife never left him, and his kids have no idea,” Rahim says. Rahim’s father forgave his brother, and even flew across the country to meet with him. “When he was in prison, everyone asked where he was, and we just lied and said he got a job up in the Northwest Territories and he’s making a lot of money up there. It was the community convincing my parents to cover it up.”

Tragic as it is, Rahim’s story is not unusual. It illustrates how sexual abuse goes unchecked within Pakistani communities. Rapists know that the community will not ostracise them. They’ll never be without a home or a job. Their mothers, siblings, wives and friends will actually cover for them. Even if they are convicted, they will most likely spend only a few years behind bars before they’re free to re-offend. They may even be encouraged to see themselves as victims of a racist criminal justice system that treats minorities unfairly. In Shafiq’s words: “They believe it is they who are victims of a racist witch-hunt — despite the fact that Pakistani gangs were allowed to rape their way around Rotherham for so long because, in part, politically correct officials were terrified of being accused of racism. They see any of us who try to tackle this problem as siding with the white ‘enemy’.”

Sadly, there is little hope of justice for the victims of grooming gangs in the UK without the cooperation of the Pakistani community. And unless Pakistanis find the courage to shine a light on what is an atrocious open secret within our communities, I fear what happened in Rotherham will continue to happen, devastating the lives of countless children and women, immigrant or otherwise. It pains me to think that what has recently been discovered is just the tip of the iceberg. Right now, there is plenty more abuse taking place across the UK within insular Pakistani communities. And change can only come about if we set aside the tribal instincts that have enabled one of the worst cases of child sexual exploitation in modern history.

*Name changed to protect the identity of the victim.
https://unherd.com/2023/02/pakistani-child-sex-abuse-is-an-open-secret/

 

[Local.Dada]

She is terrible at her job is the main reason.

Muslims conquered Hindus, ruled over them. Call them what they like.

As for this woman, she is a Hindu supporter of Indian background. I wonder what her view is of the millions of children abused, raped, hurt by Hindus in India? There are over 10 million children in prostitution, the real number would be higher imo.

Is this your biggest takeaway from this discussion?

If it helps she is the same lady who said Indians over stay their visiting visa a few months back which caused outrage in India but you were too busy celebrating her statement even forgetting your favorite Mughal rule and Islamic conquests


Anyway I said all I have to say on this topic in my first post.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Is this your biggest takeaway from this discussion?

If it helps she is the same lady who said Indians over stay their visiting visa a few months back which caused outrage in India but you were too busy celebrating her statement even forgetting your favorite Mughal rule and Islamic conquests


Anyway I said all I have to say on this topic in my first post.

Not at all, try reading earlier posts.

But a woman with an Indian background with a Hindu mother shouldn't be using ethnicity to further her agenda. If she does, she must also know the worst place on the planet for child abuse is her motherland.

 

[Local.Dada]

Not at all, try reading earlier posts.

But a woman with an Indian background with a Hindu mother shouldn't be using ethnicity to further her agenda. If she does, she must also know the worst place on the planet for child abuse is her motherland.

She is not the minister in or responsible for India is she? She is talking about a problem in Britain which most of us already knew about. Her phrasing was a little too strong which I already addressed.

 

[KingKhanWC]

She is not the minister in or responsible for India is she? She is talking about a problem in Britain which most of us already knew about. Her phrasing was a little too strong which I already addressed.

She should never mention ethnicity esp being brown faced and esp because of her own background, as she is suggesting this is somehow linked. Simple point.

 

[Local.Dada]

She should never mention ethnicity esp being brown faced and esp because of her own background, as she is suggesting this is somehow linked. Simple point.

Looks like she touched a nerve and I don’t blame you but it’s hilarious that you are taking it out on Hindus and Indians by attacking Suella of all people . Trust me she doesn’t have too many fans this side of the fence either.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Looks like she touched a nerve and I don’t blame you but it’s hilarious that you are taking it out on Hindus and Indians by attacking Suella of all people . Trust me she doesn’t have too many fans this side of the fence either.

No idiot can touch any of my nerve.

Its a simple point , if you're going to bring in ethnicity, its only fair people will then call out your background and in this case it happens to be, hers come from a nation which is the worst for child abuse and women. Not sure why you're upset about this?

 

[SalimBhai]

No idiot can touch any of my nerve.

Its a simple point , if you're going to bring in ethnicity, its only fair people will then call out your background and in this case it happens to be, hers come from a nation which is the worst for child abuse and women. Not sure why you're upset about this?

For women Pakistan is worse than India. Just stating the facts. Also child abuse Pakistan is not that far behind india.

 

[Bewal Express]

I am not responsible for any PK person or gang abusing anyone and nor is any group responsible for their fellow ethnics. We are individuals and will serve time as individuals.

 

[SalimBhai]

I am not responsible for any PK person or gang abusing anyone and nor is any group responsible for their fellow ethnics. We are individuals and will serve time as individuals.

You are not individually responsible. Agreed. But it’s also ok if others asks questions if your group is over represented in a particular crime . There is no need to get defensive and start pointing fingers at others .

 

[KingKhanWC]

You are not individually responsible. Agreed. But it’s also ok if others asks questions if your group is over represented in a particular crime . There is no need to get defensive and start pointing fingers at others .

I thought you came from Lahore, but its not your group? Or are you who you claim you are?

 

[SalimBhai]

I thought you came from Lahore, but its not your group? Or are you who you claim you are?

Yes from lahore. I am concerned. Read the article above. However I do live in Usa. And this seems to be a British Pakistani issue .

 

[Firebat]

Senior cop who ran cadet scheme for 13 to 17-year-olds used it as 'grooming playground'

A cop accused of sexually assaulting teenage girls used the cadet unit he was in charge of as a "grooming playground", a court has heard.

Pc Adnan Ali allegedly assaulted two girls and a boy whilst running a police cadet scheme, with a court hearing he also sent sexual messages to some of the teens he was training on social media.

Ali is on trial after pleading not guilty to 20 charges, which include sexual assault and misconduct in office over sexualised conversations with six other boys whilst working for Greater Manchester Police.

The 36-year-old was arrested in October 2018 after one alleged victim made a complaint, before others then came forward to make similar allegations.

Opening the case at Liverpool crown court, prosecutor Anne Whyte KC said: "Sometimes this took the form of sexual assaults, sometimes it took the form of inappropriate telephone or social media messages or remarks to young people, who at the time looked up to him as a figure of authority.

"His overfamiliar conduct towards them was deeply unprofessional and we allege, it was designed to gratify his own sexual inclinations which, on one view, were out of control."

The jury heard Ali used social media to engage in sexualised conversations, talking about being in the bath or in bed and putting kisses on the end.

He is also alleged to have massaged the shoulders of a teenage male cadet, hugging him and asking if he would ever consider having sex with a boy.

"There was not one aspect of PC Ali’s employment duties that either necessitated or justified the constant drip of over familiarity used to gain the confidence of young cadets and there was no excuse for the sexual familiarity that characterised so many of his relationships at work," Ms Whyte said.

The jury heard that Mr Ali was not adequately supervised running the Trafford Volunteer Police Cadet scheme, and enlisted 130 members onto the programme when it was only supposed to have 30.

"Due to his own behaviour and GMP’s failure to monitor it, the Trafford Cadet Scheme became something of a grooming playground for Adnan Ali," said Ms Whyte.

Read more: https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/senior-cop-who-ran-cadet-29564238

 

[KingKhanWC]

Yes from lahore. I am concerned. Read the article above. However I do live in Usa. And this seems to be a British Pakistani issue .

Its a British issue , however there are millions of more Americans who do these evil crimes. Should they be labelled as American peados?

 

[SalimBhai]

Its a British issue , however there are millions of more Americans who do these evil crimes. Should they be labelled as American peados?

When a group in over represented in a certain crime in its group. I think some questions need to be asked British Pakistanis are over represented in child grooming cases. This is a fact. No hard in asking why is this so. This is not that hard to understand

 

[KingKhanWC]

When a group in over represented in a certain crime in its group. I think some questions need to be asked British Pakistanis are over represented in child grooming cases. This is a fact. No hard in asking why is this so. This is not that hard to understand

Its child sexual abuse, the grooming term doesn't make the crime worse but only in the head of Islamaphobes. Also we now cannot be sure how many are innocent as only recently a girl was sent to jail making up stories.

But lets go with your logic.

1. Americans are over repsented in sexual abuse of children in the world. So ok to call them American peados?

2. Indians are over represented in child sexual abuse in Asia. Ok to call them Indian peados?

 

[topspin]

I despise Suella Braverman. We all knew she was going to be worse than Priti Patel.

But here's some advice for my fellow Pakistanis.

Stop focusing on the faults of others and lets acknowledge the problems we have in our community. We shouldn't care about what other people do because we need to clean up our own house first.

The victim mentality needs to stop. Anyone of foreign background will always be subject to more scrutiny. That's just the way the world is.

Pakistanis in Birmingham and Bradford have turned their neighbourhoods into complete dumps. Forget grooming for a second, there are so many other issues going on in these areas. Drug dealing, robberies, gang violence and forced marriages.

There'll be no progress until we can acknowledge our own problems. That's the first step. Once we give up the victimhood and have some acceptance for the faults of our own, we can then work on eradicating these issues.

Most Pakistanis don't have a clue on how to raise children. If they did, we wouldn't have so many in the community coming out of school with zero GCSEs.

I'm just sick of us, as Pakistanis, being ranked right at the bottom of the chain in class/status.

 

[SalimBhai]

Its child sexual abuse, the grooming term doesn't make the crime worse but only in the head of Islamaphobes. Also we now cannot be sure how many are innocent as only recently a girl was sent to jail making up stories.

But lets go with your logic.

1. Americans are over repsented in sexual abuse of children in the world. So ok to call them American peados?

2. Indians are over represented in child sexual abuse in Asia. Ok to call them Indian peados?

No but it’s ok to ask why that is. Nobody is calling British Pakistanis are pedos. But question can be asked why do the over represent in the general population . This is not a hard concept.

 

[SalimBhai]

I despise Suella Braverman. We all knew she was going to be worse than Priti Patel.

But here's some advice for my fellow Pakistanis.

Stop focusing on the faults of others and lets acknowledge the problems we have in our community. We shouldn't care about what other people do because we need to clean up our own house first.

The victim mentality needs to stop. Anyone of foreign background will always be subject to more scrutiny. That's just the way the world is.

Pakistanis in Birmingham and Bradford have turned their neighbourhoods into complete dumps. Forget grooming for a second, there are so many other issues going on in these areas. Drug dealing, robberies, gang violence and forced marriages.

There'll be no progress until we can acknowledge our own problems. That's the first step. Once we give up the victimhood and have some acceptance for the faults of our own, we can then work on eradicating crime.

Most Pakistanis don't have a clue on how to raise children. If they did, we wouldn't have so many in the community coming out of school with zero GCSEs.

I'm just sick of us, as Pakistanis, being ranked right at the bottom of the chain in class/status.

I don’t know if any of you speak or understand urdu. Mooen pirzada has a great talk on this on YouTube a few years back. Pakistanis are in denial. Accept, solve and move on. Stop with the victim mentality, and cries of islamaphobia. You are not doing yourselves any favors

 

[KingKhanWC]

No but it’s ok to ask why that is. Nobody is calling British Pakistanis are pedos. But question can be asked why do the over represent in the general population . This is not a hard concept.

Explain my 2 points and you may find the answer.

Let me help you out.

1. According to the CDC "About 1 in 4 girls in the United States experience child sexual abuse"

Why are Americans over represented in the world here?

2. Over 10 million Indian child girls are forced into prostitution alone. Add the other abuses it will reach over 100 million sadly.

Why are Indians over represented in Asia?

 

[SalimBhai]

Explain my 2 points and you may find the answer.

Let me help you out.

1. According to the CDC "About 1 in 4 girls in the United States experience child sexual abuse"

Why are Americans over represented in the world here?

2. Over 10 million Indian child girls are forced into prostitution alone. Add the other abuses it will reach over 100 million sadly.

Why are Indians over represented in Asia?

You can ask the question then on point 1 or point 2 . That’s not racist. That’s my point. I have no problem with that debate. .

 

[Bewal Express]

You are not individually responsible. Agreed. But it’s also ok if others asks questions if your group is over represented in a particular crime . There is no need to get defensive and start pointing fingers at others .

Underage sex is a crime. 1000s of underage girls fall pregnant each year, which ethnicity are these girls, who are the fathers and what ethnicity are they ? Who many get charged with crimes? If its OK to ask, then have you asked yourself and what conclusions have you come to?

 

[SalimBhai]

Underage sex is a crime. 1000s of underage girls fall pregnant each year, which ethnicity are these girls, who are the fathers and what ethnicity are they ? Who many get charged with crimes? If its OK to ask, then have you asked yourself and what conclusions have you come to?

Underage sex is a crime between an underage and an adult. Grooming is part of that. Not always though. What I am saying is mot that hard to understand if you stop being so defensive. Nobody is accusing you of anything. However British Pakistanis overwhelmingly represent the grooming scenario. So questions can be asked …

 

[Waq]

I despise Suella Braverman. We all knew she was going to be worse than Priti Patel.

But here's some advice for my fellow Pakistanis.

Stop focusing on the faults of others and lets acknowledge the problems we have in our community. We shouldn't care about what other people do because we need to clean up our own house first.

The victim mentality needs to stop. Anyone of foreign background will always be subject to more scrutiny. That's just the way the world is.

Pakistanis in Birmingham and Bradford have turned their neighbourhoods into complete dumps. Forget grooming for a second, there are so many other issues going on in these areas. Drug dealing, robberies, gang violence and forced marriages.

There'll be no progress until we can acknowledge our own problems. That's the first step. Once we give up the victimhood and have some acceptance for the faults of our own, we can then work on eradicating these issues.

Most Pakistanis don't have a clue on how to raise children. If they did, we wouldn't have so many in the community coming out of school with zero GCSEs.

I'm just sick of us, as Pakistanis, being ranked right at the bottom of the chain in class/status.

Unsurprisingly this gem of a post above is being largely ignored.

I don’t know topspin but suspect that even though he / she highlights our flaws as a community, they want the British Pakistani community to thrive.

Condemn and move on - simple.

The Pakistani grooming gang cases got more headlines as police and social workers admitted that they did not adequately support young girls for fear of being labelled racists when investigating Pakistani men. Also many of the high profile rape and grooming cases had incidents and language of racism towards the young female victims that also created outrage amongst the general public.

We all know sex crimes is not exclusive to Pakistanis but we also need to own our community crimes too.

If takeaway workers in Bradford right now were suspected of grooming and sleeping with a 15 year old white girl - would the majority of Pakistanis in Bradford report this to police or social services or do we protect our own?

 

[the Great Khan]

Unsurprisingly this gem of a post above is being largely ignored.

I don’t know topspin but suspect that even though he / she highlights our flaws as a community, they want the British Pakistani community to thrive.

Condemn and move on - simple.

The Pakistani grooming gang cases got more headlines as police and social workers admitted that they did not adequately support young girls for fear of being labelled racists when investigating Pakistani men. Also many of the high profile rape and grooming cases had incidents and language of racism towards the young female victims that also created outrage amongst the general public.

We all know sex crimes is not exclusive to Pakistanis but we also need to own our community crimes too.

If takeaway workers in Bradford right now were suspected of grooming and sleeping with a 15 year old white girl - would the majority of Pakistanis in Bradford report this to police or social services or do we protect our own?

And this isn't the point of this thread.

The point of this thread is to highlight bravermans hypocrisy and race baiting. We are debating whether she was correct to single out one ethnicity for a crime that is overwhelmingly committed by another ethnicity. Somewhere this got lost thanks to either the stupidity of certain posters or their down right ignorance.

They have made selective arguments by ignoring data and posts presented to them to drive an agenda. Therefore I must concluded they may not be who they claim they are or they are too young to hold a proper debate.

So my advice to you instead of trying to portray yourself as a hero and voice of mature reason, go back to the original point of this debate.

 

[KingKhanWC]

You can ask the question then on point 1 or point 2 . That’s not racist. That’s my point. I have no problem with that debate. .

1 in 4 girls are sexually abused by Americans in America.. no other society or culture comes close .

By some peoples own logic inc you Americans are by culture & identity have huge abusers . Because they are Americans

 

[Waq]

And this isn't the point of this thread.

The point of this thread is to highlight bravermans hypocrisy and race baiting. We are debating whether she was correct to single out one ethnicity for a crime that is overwhelmingly committed by another ethnicity. Somewhere this got lost thanks to either the stupidity of certain posters or their down right ignorance.

They have made selective arguments by ignoring data and posts presented to them to drive an agenda. Therefore I must concluded they may not be who they claim they are or they are too young to hold a proper debate.

So my advice to you instead of trying to portray yourself as a hero and voice of mature reason, go back to the original point of this debate.

Yes the thread is about Braverman and I’ve condemned her comments. Many of us have then discussed related discussions about sex grooming.

I don’t really need your advice and your comments are quite personal and immature.

 

[Bewal Express]

Underage sex is a crime between an underage and an adult. Grooming is part of that. Not always though. What I am saying is mot that hard to understand if you stop being so defensive. Nobody is accusing you of anything. However British Pakistanis overwhelmingly represent the grooming scenario. So questions can be asked …

The fact that you are talking as an ethnic issue and not just one of criminality shows your agenda. These guys are losers,they are not abusers because of their ethnicity but because mostly they take advantage of vulnerable girls that get sucked into drugs and many of these guys are suppliers. Evil and wrong
But why have you avoided the ethnicity of girls and their abusers for Underage sex. Why are they overwhelming white and its on a much bigger scale. Then we also have statutory rape,what is their ethnicity? Stop being naive and pretending there isn't a political agenda from the right on this.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Hundreds of met police officers are being investigated for sexual assault. It’s because they are police .

 

[saeedhk]

I despise Suella Braverman. We all knew she was going to be worse than Priti Patel.

But here's some advice for my fellow Pakistanis.

Stop focusing on the faults of others and lets acknowledge the problems we have in our community. We shouldn't care about what other people do because we need to clean up our own house first.

The victim mentality needs to stop. Anyone of foreign background will always be subject to more scrutiny. That's just the way the world is.

Pakistanis in Birmingham and Bradford have turned their neighbourhoods into complete dumps. Forget grooming for a second, there are so many other issues going on in these areas. Drug dealing, robberies, gang violence and forced marriages.

There'll be no progress until we can acknowledge our own problems. That's the first step. Once we give up the victimhood and have some acceptance for the faults of our own, we can then work on eradicating these issues.

Most Pakistanis don't have a clue on how to raise children. If they did, we wouldn't have so many in the community coming out of school with zero GCSEs.

I'm just sick of us, as Pakistanis, being ranked right at the bottom of the chain in class/status.

Good post! Having lived in the UK, what you said is spot on! Pakistanis are doing terrible- they are heavily involved in drugs, robberies, and forced cousin marriages. Not to mention the widespread welfare fraud that is so much prevalent in the Pakistani community. Almost everyone I knew in the UK is involved in drugs, insurance scams and whatnot and most have not even graduated high school. The situation is really dire! As you mention, Bradford is an absolute slum - I once visited it and saw gangs of young men just hanging around streets corners, rubbish strewn everywhere, laundry being hung to dry and little kids running around the estates.

We need to accept the shortcomings of our community!

 

[Waq]

Good post! Having lived in the UK, what you said is spot on! Pakistanis are doing terrible- they are heavily involved in drugs, robberies, and forced cousin marriages. Not to mention the widespread welfare fraud that is so much prevalent in the Pakistani community. Almost everyone I knew in the UK is involved in drugs, insurance scams and whatnot and most have not even graduated high school. The situation is really dire! As you mention, Bradford is an absolute slum - I once visited it and saw gangs of young men just hanging around streets corners, rubbish strewn everywhere, laundry being hung to dry and little kids running around the estates.

We need to accept the shortcomings of our community!

I’m sorry but this is a very judgemental and unfair post.

There are many badly behaved British Pakistanis but to say most of them is not right.

There are so many well educated and well behaved Pakistanis in all parts of British community as well and becoming more common too.

 

[saeedhk]

I’m sorry but this is a very judgemental and unfair post.

There are many badly behaved British Pakistanis but to say most of them is not right.

There are so many well educated and well behaved Pakistanis in all parts of British community as well and becoming more common too.

This is my experience with whom I have interacted in the UK. No doubt, there are many well-educated and well-mannered Pakistanis in the UK. I know Pakistanis are well represented in IT industry, and other skilled professions.

 

[Waq]

This is my experience with whom I have interacted in the UK. No doubt, there are many well-educated and well-mannered Pakistanis in the UK. I know Pakistanis are well represented in IT industry, and other skilled professions.

There are British born Pakistanis who are investment bankers, politicians, judges, civil servants, senior police officers, barristers, head teachers, wealthy business people, doctors and so on.

A gold teethed foul mouth Pakistani who smokes cannabis from say a town like Halifax doesn’t mean that all the boys from Halifax are that way.

There is a north / south divide but also many successful and decent Pakistanis in Manchester, Leeds, Newcastle etc.

I’m happy to share articles of our successful people if it helps?

 

[cricketjoshila]

She is terrible at her job is the main reason.

Muslims conquered Hindus, ruled over them. Call them what they like.

As for this woman, she is a Hindu supporter of Indian background. I wonder what her view is of the millions of children abused, raped, hurt by Hindus in India? There are over 10 million children in prostitution, the real number would be higher imo.

She being terrible has nothing to with India or Hindus, what's the reason you dragged that? Your personal dislike?

Turks or Afghans or Barlas or central asian Muslims, what that has got to do with Pakistanis?

She was talking about immigration from India a few months back. She is doing what she believes is her job.

She isn't a minister in India and has no jurisdiction here. She is the Home Secretary of UK and talking about issues in UK.

 

[MenInG]

Adil Ray has opened up about the horrifying and disgusting racism he has faced in social media after Suella Braverman's comments.

The Good Morning Britain presenter has called out the horrific abuse he has felt online after the Home Secretary made comments about British Pakistani men on Sky last weekend. During her conversation, she spoke about the government's approach to protecting children from sexual abuse when she singled out British Pakistani men.

Adil - whose mother is Kenyan and father is Pakistani - said he has been subjected to horrifying messages on social media since Ms Braverman's interview, and slammed the "disgusting" comments she made.

Speaking on Sky over the weekend, she said: "What we’ve seen is a practice whereby vulnerable white English girls - sometimes in care, sometimes who are in challenging circumstances - being pursued and raped and drugged and harmed by gangs of British Pakistani men who’ve worked in child abuse rings or networks.

"We’ve seen institutions and state agencies, whether it’s social workers, teachers, the police, turn a blind eye to these signs of abuse out of political correctness, out of fear of being called racist, out of fear of being called bigoted."

Hosting Good Morning Britain today, Adil explained he had been subjected to "nothing but racism" since.

"We heard comments about the community that I belong to, the British Pakistani community. There is something really, I think, that needs to be really looked at in this country right now, that we are divided," he said.

"I have suffered, since last Sunday, since Suella Braverman going onto breakfast television and labelling British Pakistani men – with no caveats, no kindness, no compassion – simply labelling British Pakistani men, have an issue when it comes to English white girls. I have suffered nothing but racism for the last seven days."

Kate Garraway said the comments were "unsettling and unheard of".

Adil then added: "It’s really bad. This morning, and now I’ve got Hindu Indian nationalists at this time in the morning messaging me, because they’ve caught up onto this. Because they see a British Indian woman backing this and think, 'Yes, she’s right. There is a problem with Muslims. There is a problem with Pakistanis.' It is disgusting."

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/ukne...p&cvid=3850abf990224c4ff2e70fc202bf3820&ei=12

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Unsurprisingly this gem of a post above is being largely ignored.

I don’t know topspin but suspect that even though he / she highlights our flaws as a community, they want the British Pakistani community to thrive.

Condemn and move on - simple.

The Pakistani grooming gang cases got more headlines as police and social workers admitted that they did not adequately support young girls for fear of being labelled racists when investigating Pakistani men. Also many of the high profile rape and grooming cases had incidents and language of racism towards the young female victims that also created outrage amongst the general public.

We all know sex crimes is not exclusive to Pakistanis but we also need to own our community crimes too.

If takeaway workers in Bradford right now were suspected of grooming and sleeping with a 15 year old white girl - would the majority of Pakistanis in Bradford report this to police or social services or do we protect our own?

This is typical of the mentality on show in this thread. Why are they "our own"? Would white people be expected to protect paedos or underage groomers as their own specifically as a racial group? This is something which seems beyond the grasp of the constant apologists, this isn't "our" issue as a race or a nationality.

Crime needs to be addressed, underlying issues also need to be looked at, but racial profiling which is carried out by brown spokesmen on behalf of whites is disingenuos. Unless that is, it can be shown that whites are also profiled as a racial group for their crimes, whether that is child grooming, paedophilia or other such depravity.

 

[Waq]

This is typical of the mentality on show in this thread. Why are they "our own"? Would white people be expected to protect paedos or underage groomers as their own specifically as a racial group? This is something which seems beyond the grasp of the constant apologists, this isn't "our" issue as a race or a nationality.

Crime needs to be addressed, underlying issues also need to be looked at, but racial profiling which is carried out by brown spokesmen on behalf of whites is disingenuos. Unless that is, it can be shown that whites are also profiled as a racial group for their crimes, whether that is child grooming, paedophilia or other such depravity.

We (as in us British Pakistanis) have to denounce the same coloured peoples behaviour as people like you (I assume you’re of Pakistani origin) will simply cry racism or deflect to Epstein when this topic is spoken about. That makes us look even worse and ignorant.

Now the politician is wrong to single us out but denial breeds hatred. I know your type very well - all internet based conspiracy theorists without real world experiences.

 

[Saj]

One of the problems now is that so many British Pakistani men will be tarred with the same brush.

Unfortunately there are too many thick people around who don't realise that it's a minority involved in such disgusting behaviour and not the majority.

 

[topspin]

Unsurprisingly this gem of a post above is being largely ignored.

I don’t know topspin but suspect that even though he / she highlights our flaws as a community, they want the British Pakistani community to thrive.

Condemn and move on - simple.

The Pakistani grooming gang cases got more headlines as police and social workers admitted that they did not adequately support young girls for fear of being labelled racists when investigating Pakistani men. Also many of the high profile rape and grooming cases had incidents and language of racism towards the young female victims that also created outrage amongst the general public.

We all know sex crimes is not exclusive to Pakistanis but we also need to own our community crimes too.

If takeaway workers in Bradford right now were suspected of grooming and sleeping with a 15 year old white girl - would the majority of Pakistanis in Bradford report this to police or social services or do we protect our own?

Appreciate the kind words and the respect is mutual.

It's exactly that. I want Brit Pakistanis to thrive. It's sad to see us lag so far behind our North American counterparts.

Instead of embracing the shortfalls, they are easily influenced by conspiracy theories. A convenient coping mechanism to keep them living in denial.

I've been reading your posts on the Tate thread with great interest. I haven't had much to say on his arrest in Romania because I haven't had the time to read up on his life history. But what I do know is he's another example of someone who feeds into the victimhood type of mentality. To see a growing number of Pakistanis look up to him shows we're not progressing but instead we're actually going backwards.

As you say, it's the internet based conspiracy theorists without real world experiences.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

We (as in us British Pakistanis) have to denounce the same coloured peoples behaviour as people like you (I assume you’re of Pakistani origin) will simply cry racism or deflect to Epstein when this topic is spoken about. That makes us look even worse and ignorant.

Now the politician is wrong to single us out but denial breeds hatred. I know your type very well - all internet based conspiracy theorists without real world experiences.

Where was the denial? What conspiracy theory are you attributing to me? You are making a lot of assumptions with nothing to back any of it up, but if you can please quote me.

 

[Bewal Express]

One of the problems now is that so many British Pakistani men will be tarred with the same brush.

Unfortunately there are too many thick people around who don't realise that it's a minority involved in such disgusting behaviour and not the majority.

I was witness to one of these cases from close up( my role in a school)and knew some of the people involved both the perpetrators and the victims. It was basically drug dealers looking for easy sex and vulnerable girls looking for bad boys with lots of cash. The whole thing was disgusting and the perpetrators to a person were total losers, illiterate and thick and The girls often came from broken homes. The Police were proactive and arrested many of the perpetrators.

 

[Bewal Express]

Appreciate the kind words and the respect is mutual.

It's exactly that. I want Brit Pakistanis to thrive. It's sad to see us lag so far behind our North American counterparts.

Instead of embracing the shortfalls, they are easily influenced by conspiracy theories. A convenient coping mechanism to keep them living in denial.

I've been reading your posts on the Tate thread with great interest. I haven't had much to say on his arrest in Romania because I haven't had the time to read up on his life history. But what I do know is he's another example of someone who feeds into the victimhood type of mentality. To see a growing number of Pakistanis look up to him shows we're not progressing but instead we're actually going backwards.

As you say, it's the internet based conspiracy theorists without real world experiences.

Can you tell what conspiracy theories are involved? Stating the fact that these stories are used by right wing thugs isn't a conspiracy theory, it's a fact. Name anyone on here that has any sympathy with these losers but you can't. As Saj said we are tarred with the same brush because that is the whole point.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Appreciate the kind words and the respect is mutual.

It's exactly that. I want Brit Pakistanis to thrive. It's sad to see us lag so far behind our North American counterparts.

Instead of embracing the shortfalls, they are easily influenced by conspiracy theories. A convenient coping mechanism to keep them living in denial.

I've been reading your posts on the Tate thread with great interest. I haven't had much to say on his arrest in Romania because I haven't had the time to read up on his life history. But what I do know is he's another example of someone who feeds into the victimhood type of mentality. To see a growing number of Pakistanis look up to him shows we're not progressing but instead we're actually going backwards.

As you say, it's the internet based conspiracy theorists without real world experiences.

There is nothing constructive in that post at all. Just the same message as Suella, but couched in insider language: "I'm a British Pakistani and I concur she is right".

 

[KingKhanWC]

I was witness to one of these cases from close up( my role in a school)and knew some of the people involved both the perpetrators and the victims. It was basically drug dealers looking for easy sex and vulnerable girls looking for bad boys with lots of cash. The whole thing was disgusting and the perpetrators to a person were total losers, illiterate and thick and The girls often came from broken homes. The Police were proactive and arrested many of the perpetrators.

Many girls openly and freely offer their bodies in exchange for drugs. This is sadly common in all communities. However some sickos do this with underage girls, which is a huge crime and should be rightly punished.

This issue is British culture.

 

[topspin]

Can you tell what conspiracy theories are involved? Stating the fact that these stories are used by right wing thugs isn't a conspiracy theory, it's a fact. Name anyone on here that has any sympathy with these losers but you can't. As Saj said we are tarred with the same brush because that is the whole point.

I can tell you what conspiracy theories you are involved in because your PTI and cricket related posts are full of them.

 

[Bewal Express]

I can tell you what conspiracy theories you are involved in because your PTI and cricket related posts are full of them.

Go for it. I am all ears.

But back to this. You can't make a statement and run from it. What are the conspiracy theories that we have propagated or are your looking for excuses to run.

 

[topspin]

Go for it. I am all ears.

But back to this. You can't make a statement and run from it. What are the conspiracy theories that we have propagated or are your looking for excuses to run.

Cricketing wise, you told me the 2007 WC match between Pakistan v Ireland was rigged.

In terms of politics, you believe anyone who doesn't support PTI supports the opposition when I've told you on at least two occasions that I don't advocate for any of the mainstream parties in Pakistan.

 

[Bewal Express]

Cricketing wise, you told me the 2007 WC match between Pakistan v Ireland was rigged.

In terms of politics, you believe anyone who doesn't support PTI supports the opposition when I've told you on at least two occasions that I don't advocate for any of the mainstream parties in Pakistan.

If that is the best you can find than obviously they seal the deal.
But back to this, what conspiracy theories have we propagated? You tried to look clever but now you don't have a leg stand on.

 

[topspin]

If that is the best you can find than obviously they seal the deal.
But back to this, what conspiracy theories have we propagated? You tried to look clever but now you don't have a leg stand on.

What do you mean by "we"? Why do you assume I'm talking about you?

You wanted me to give you examples of those conspiracy theories. I've given you a couple of examples. There's others related to politics. For e.g. remember that phase when you couldn't stop talking about Miftah Ismail?

 

[Bewal Express]

What do you mean by "we"? Why do you assume I'm talking about you?

You wanted me to give you examples of those conspiracy theories. I've given you a couple of examples. There's others related to politics. For e.g. remember that phase when you couldn't stop talking about Miftah Ismail?

Then clarify who you are talking about. Name names. It's not conspiracy theory to suggest that right wing groups have used this to a malign a whole group of people, that's a fact.

 

[Bewal Express]

What do you mean by "we"? Why do you assume I'm talking about you?

You wanted me to give you examples of those conspiracy theories. I've given you a couple of examples. There's others related to politics. For e.g. remember that phase when you couldn't stop talking about Miftah Ismail?

Remind me about Miftah because according to you that is a smoking gun.

 

[topspin]

Then clarify who you are talking about. Name names. It's not conspiracy theory to suggest that right wing groups have used this to a malign a whole group of people, that's a fact.

I actually agree with your second sentence and I also alluded to that when I said I despise Suella because we all know what she said was all about pandering to the right wing.