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Asians make up 80% of child groomers – study

Jess Phillips does not rule out new national inquiry into grooming gangs​


Jess Phillips has said "nothing is off the table" when dealing with the grooming gangs scandal - including a new national inquiry if victims want one.

The safeguarding minister told Sky's political editor Beth Rigby on the Electoral Dysfunction podcast that she would listen to victims on a new panel that was announced by the government this week.

"Nothing is off the table," she said.

"And if the victims come forward to me in this victims panel and they say, 'actually, we think there needs to be a national inquiry into this', I'll listen to them."

Her comments come days after it emerged she had rejected calls from Oldham Council to hold a government inquiry into grooming gangs in the town, and said the council should commission one instead.

That has led to tech billionaire Elon Musk attacking her and Sir Keir Starmer for not holding a national inquiry and accusing the prime minister of being "complicit" in the abuse.

Professor Alexis Jay finished an eight-year national inquiry into child sexual abuse in 2022 and set out recommendations for the government.

The Conservatives tabled an amendment to the Children's Safeguarding and Schools Bill on Wednesday to require a statutory inquiry into grooming gangs.

However, Education Secretary Bridget Phillipson told Sky News the Tories "don't care about children" as the amendment could prevent the entire bill from going forward.

She said: "The measures that I'm setting out today and the legislation in many ways go further because it puts a requirement on all councils to have teams working to keep children safe.

"And the bandwagon jumpers that have come along in recent days, they don't care about children, they don't care about making sure that we stop this and we take action.

"They had years to do it and they didn't do it."

The Conservatives also rejected a call from Oldham Council for a government inquiry in 2022.

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Jess Phillips does not rule out new national inquiry into grooming gangs

A new victims panel is being set up by the government to hear about the abuse by grooming gangs.
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Not a good look on Pakistanis...watch the video, especially from 50:35. Though Piers tried his best to balance it out not to be accused as being racist.

 
Rajdeep said:
Not a good look on Pakistanis...watch the video, especially from 50:35. Though Piers tried his best to balance it out not to be accused as being racist.

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And who are sources.

Tommy Robinson. A convicted criminal, wife beating Druggy.

Who abused a Syrian kid and ended up in jail.

And as for Musk. Let's be very clear
His father groomed his step daughter.
He should more concerned about in-house first.
 
aboveandbeyond said:
And who are sources.

Tommy Robinson. A convicted criminal, wife beating Druggy.

Who abused a Syrian kid and ended up in jail.

And as for Musk. Let's be very clear
His father groomed his step daughter.
He should more concerned about in-house first.
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What sources? Are you doubting these rapists are not Pakistani men?

Yeah keep shooting the messenger like Robinson and Musk. There is not much difference in thinking between you and these groomers in that case.
 
Rajdeep said:
What sources? Are you doubting these rapists are not Pakistani men?

Yeah keep shooting the messenger like Robinson and Musk. There is not much difference in thinking between you and these groomers in that case.
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Absolutely were. A decade ago. Who are in jail.

But if you thing grooming is a Pakistani problem, then you are very clearly mistaken.

Its the tip of the iceberg. The establishment, Church of England, and other sick institutions are involved.
 
Rajdeep said:
Not a good look on Pakistanis...watch the video, especially from 50:35. Though Piers tried his best to balance it out not to be accused as being racist.

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What's notable here in the video is how both Piers and the studio guest clarified that it wasn't srilankan or lebanese asian, it was specifically british pakistanis involved in this activity. 😯

There's a been a global spotlight shone on the brit-pak-male-muslim community in recent days. News channels from all over the world have been covering the UK grooming scandal coverup.
 
Rajdeep said:
What sources? Are you doubting these rapists are not Pakistani men?

Yeah keep shooting the messenger like Robinson and Musk. There is not much difference in thinking between you and these groomers in that case.
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Robinson was in jail for mentally abusing a Syrian kid. He accused him of allsorts and ended up kn the locker.

Musk father is no different to any of these Groomers, whether they were from Rochdale, Huddersfield, the establishment, Saville, prince Andrew, the Church of England Reps. Sick individuals.
 
aboveandbeyond said:
And who are sources.

Tommy Robinson. A convicted criminal, wife beating Druggy.

Who abused a Syrian kid and ended up in jail.

And as for Musk. Let's be very clear
His father groomed his step daughter.
He should more concerned about in-house first.
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Didn't know that. Pot calling the kettle black.
 
aboveandbeyond said:
Robinson was in jail for mentally abusing a Syrian kid. He accused him of allsorts and ended up kn the locker.

Musk father is no different to any of these Groomers, whether they were from Rochdale, Huddersfield, the establishment, Saville, prince Andrew, the Church of England Reps. Sick individuals.
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1. Robinson is in jail for his documentary film where he falsely alleged a Syrian Refugee. Though it is bad but something that does not warrant 18 months of solitary confinement. It is pure vendetta of ruling govt against Robinson to win muslim votes. However, it only made him even more popular among British people. Tommy Robinson is the reason why the grooming gang scandal came into limelight first anyway.

2. What Musk's father did has no bearing on Musk himself. Osama Bin Laden's son is not terrorist by default isn't it just because his father was one?
 
RexRex said:
What's notable here in the video is how both Piers and the studio guest clarified that it wasn't srilankan or lebanese asian, it was specifically british pakistanis involved in this activity. 😯

There's a been a global spotlight shone on the brit-pak-male-muslim community in recent days. News channels from all over the world have been covering the UK grooming scandal coverup.
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Couldn't give a toss, I'm wishing they deport all of us pakistanis

I was born here , as long as they allow us to take our money , gold , and our assets houses vehicles are sold at market rates
And ones born here like me are also given a 100000 pounds to give up our citizenship and passport

We will all gladly go back

Pakistan is friendly with uae and saudi and qatar and us ex uk pakistanis will be opened with welcome arms to the middle east .

And I can guarantee one thing if all pakistanis and even all muslims are deported from uk.

Uk will still be a s hole and a country still on the decline and still be unable to compete with china and emerging economies in Asia and middle east and tommeh and his council house white working class will still be poor with no empire of the past still wonder whom they are going to blame then.

I've already seen with my own experience many brit pakistanis moving to uae and middle east, and I'm guessing more will in the future go to the middle east , maybe Malaysia or back to pakistan .


Also most of the migrants coming are not even pakistanis these days lumber 1 is indians

The elite know uk is screwed so they need a scapegoat to keep their tommehs from rioting because everything from health , education, wages employment , infrastructure, etc is falling apart so they need to direct the anger to somewhere else.
 
I haven't seen many or any Muslims say that investigation into these rapes is islamophobic. Nor have anyone not called for an enquiry.

Numerous reports and cases have taken place and the culprits are in jail.

It is of course a very serious issue and the perpetrators must have the full force of the law thrown at them, and the same with any weak official who failed to investigate out of fear.

However the current drama on twitter is very much manufactured by Musk.
 
Rajdeep said:
1. Robinson is in jail for his documentary film where he falsely alleged a Syrian Refugee. Though it is bad but something that does not warrant 18 months of solitary confinement. It is pure vendetta of ruling govt against Robinson to win muslim votes. However, it only made him even more popular among British people. Tommy Robinson is the reason why the grooming gang scandal came into limelight first anyway.

2. What Musk's father did has no bearing on Musk himself. Osama Bin Laden's son is not terrorist by default isn't it just because his father was one?
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Robinson is no different to these Groomers. He is a proven criminal. And to see people big up this guy, shows the mentality some people have.
 
Rajdeep said:
Not a good look on Pakistanis...watch the video, especially from 50:35. Though Piers tried his best to balance it out not to be accused as being racist.

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No it is not good look at all and the issue should be faced head on with public court cases and inquiry.

I'll be honest it is a tough time to be Pakistani in the UK at the moment because of the association with these vermin.
 
aboveandbeyond said:
Robinson is no different to these Groomers. He is a proven criminal. And to see people big up this guy, shows the mentality some people have.
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Robinsons fellow leader of the EDL was convincted of child abuse.

The western governments and media know there is a huge base of peados in their establishment, media, entertianment, its actually very big.

After Saville, Glitter, Epstein, Diddy, Prince Andrew and many many others the only reason they bring up Muslims as groomers is to continue their narrative so they can continue to demonise while their masters who know everything about their abuse dont expose them.

What i find interesting is Indians jumping on this as if they care lol. Their land is the biggest pit of child abuse in human history.
 
KingKhanWC said:
Tiny, tiny number. In India rape, sexual abuse and assault of women is on a level never seen in any society or country on the planet.

The grooming gangs should be wiped out, they use drugs, alcohol, music etc, which is a British cultural issue.
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Tiny ? This is shameful 'head in the sand' behaviour from you. No wonder this problem has gotten to where it is when ppl like you won't even acknowledge it.
 
Anyone with critical thinking can find out for themselves why this was never an issue a few months back, Elon Musk is playing his own game and has his own twisted motives behind bringing this up. 80% of grooming gangs in the UK aren't Pakistani it's about 2%. The figure 80% is a break down of a break down of another break down of a sub-section of these cases in which 80% were Pakistani.

The Labour government knows this hence why they're not biting the Elon Musk rage bait, it's false news.
 
RexRex said:
Tiny ? This is shameful 'head in the sand' behaviour from you. No wonder this problem has gotten to where it is when ppl like you won't even acknowledge it.
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But it was acknowledged. Almost a decade ago. The Asian community called out these scum bags for what they were.

But let's not kid ourselves. Musk, Robinson, Two cheeks of the same character, ones a israeli sympathiser, and then we have our little Tommy , all of a sudden are the figureheads for a possible enquiry. LOL
 
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RexRex said:
Tiny ? This is shameful 'head in the sand' behaviour from you. No wonder this problem has gotten to where it is when ppl like you won't even acknowledge it.
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Its a problem but compared to India its very tiny. On the contrary its Indians who are apologists and in denial. Here those convicted are ashamed to step out in public and many leave the country. In India BJP and Hindu priests openly urge Indians like yourself to attack women esp from minorities but thats ok for you. Just dont do it.
 
This is mostly historic abuse which happened over 20-30 yrs by a select few of multiple generation of inbreeding mirpuris before mass migration

They were convicted and sentenced.

Where's the newest Asian grooming gang in last 10yrs ? Does anyone know of a case of white girls being raped by muslim gangs in last 10 yrs . I'm talking of gang rape and grooming gangs.

Like kkwc said indians need to pipe down india is rape capital of the world where there are many cases of women being gang raped on buses and public they even gang raped a Brazilian Spanish women and beat her husband up.
 
KingKhanWC said:
Its a problem but compared to India its very tiny. On the contrary its Indians who are apologists and in denial. Here those convicted are ashamed to step out in public and many leave the country. In India BJP and Hindu priests openly urge Indians like yourself to attack women esp from minorities but thats ok for you. Just dont do it.
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"India India India"

Maybe you should just move here. Uttar Pradesh or Bihar would be a perfect fit. You probably hailed from there anyway once upon a time.

Unfortunately, even those badlands come with music.
 
Varun said:
"India India India"

Maybe you should just move here. Uttar Pradesh or Bihar would be a perfect fit. You probably hailed from there anyway once upon a time.

Unfortunately, even those badlands come with music.
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No thanks, you live there and I do hate Bollywood music. Thanks for the offer tho.
 
modern guitarist said:
Comical.

I am angry at this primarily because i feel bad for the children who were abused.

But i am also angry because i, and many other in the Pakistani diaspora, who live in North America are going to be tarred with this brush even though we don't have any grooming gangs here in Canada.

I am sure i will get attacked but i am not Indian. I am unfortunately Pakistani and since i have spent most of my life abroad, i have always had to deal with the shame of the activities of the Pakistani "community".
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Don't worry bro, you are Indian in spirit if not by passport. By the way, if you really believe that this is widespread in the Pakistani community, then there wouldn't be enough room in the jails in this country since there is 1.6 million Pakistanis in the UK. How many out of those has ended up being convicted of grooming?
 
By the way has anybody read easy meat by peter mclaughlin,gives you chilling details about this grooming gang situation, it's history,stats and impact , also the transcript of conviction against one of the convict is terrifying ,think his name was Mohammad karrar or something.
 
Perhaps the most shocking case is that of Robert Ewing, who murdered the schoolgirl Paige Chivers after developing an “inappropriate sexual interest” in her.[iii] He was later prosecuted for abusing two other children in the 1990s.[iv] It later emerged that in 2013, Ewing wrote on Facebook, “Iv taken an interest in the EDL and iv attended a couple of demo’s.”[v]


Leigh Mcmillan, a senior EDL figure during Lennon’s time as leader who was active in the Lee Rigby campaign, was sentenced to 17 years after abusing a 10 year-old schoolgirl 100 times in the mid-1990s.[vi]


In 2010, the EDL supporter Brett Moses was given a 12-month prison sentence, suspended for two years, after he plead guilty to sexual grooming.[vii]


In 2011 John Broomfield, an active EDL supporter, admitted 20 counts of making indecent images of children. After his arrest alongside six others for conspiracy to cause an explosion – charges that were later dropped – the police found 236 indecent images depicting children and babies on his computers.[viii]


Also in 2011, Michael Coates was charged with a series of sex offences, including two attempted rapes. At the time he was active in the EDL splinter group the North West Infidels (NWI). Their leader, John Shaw, confirmed he had been active in the EDL previously, writing: “He like the rest of us was edl first then NWI.”[ix]


In 2011, a gang of racists attacked Redbridge Islamic Centre. During the attack they hurled racist abuse at those inside, including repeatedly shouting “EDL”. Later it emerged that Elliot Jones, one of the attackers on that day, was convicted of trying to incite a child into sexual activity.[x]


Mark “Archie” Sleman was an EDL supporter active in London and Exeter and was known for running the Church of the Templars, which was mainly made up of EDL members. It transpired that he had been imprisoned for nine years in 1994 for the kidnap and rape of a ten-year-old girl.[xi]


In 2012 the well-known EDL member and regular demonstration attender Matthew Woodward was charged with possession of images of children as young as ten years old, and a video recording of another child.[xii]


Michael Kinnear was active in the EDL and is known to have attended a demonstration in July 2013 at which Lennon spoke.[xiii] In 2015 he was jailed after police found images on his mobile of a primary school aged girl “performing a type of striptease” and in state of undress.[xiv]

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There's a nice list of some of Tommy Robinson's former chums from the EDL, all child molestors and this is the tip of the iceberg. All the middle aged Brits who trawl Asia for sex tourism, does anyone seriously think they ask for birth certificates before getting busy?

For those who agree that Pakistanis in Britain should bear responsibility for their deviants, do you think the Anglo Saxons should also be judged as a community by theirs? I am interested to hear this.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Don't worry bro, you are Indian in spirit if not by passport. By the way, if you really believe that this is widespread in the Pakistani community, then there wouldn't be enough room in the jails in this country since there is 1.6 million Pakistanis in the UK. How many out of those has ended up being convicted of grooming?
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i never said it was the majority. However, it is clear there is a problem specific to this community in the UK. This isn't happening in other countries so there is something highly specific that is happening in the UK. And the fact that there were cousins and brothers who were working with each other is extraordinarily disturbing. No amount of what aboutism is going to change this.
 
modern guitarist said:
i never said it was the majority. However, it is clear there is a problem specific to this community in the UK. This isn't happening in other countries so there is something highly specific that is happening in the UK. And the fact that there were cousins and brothers who were working with each other is extraordinarily disturbing. No amount of what aboutism is going to change this.
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It doesn't need to be the majority, it needs to be a significant portion. When you are saying brothers and cousins were involved, how representative of the community do you think this is?
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
It doesn't need to be the majority, it needs to be a significant portion. When you are saying brothers and cousins were involved, how representative of the community do you think this is?
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do i think the cousins and brothers are a significant portion? Yes. This has gone in in 50 towns based on the reports. It would be hard for these men to commit these crimes without collaborating with other men so it does seem like cousins were actively working with each other.

Again i don't mean to blame you personally or anything. I am sure you are a decent guy. That isn't the issue.

The issue is there is something very disturbing going in. In my family, even the topic of sex is never ever discussed among family members - not brothers, not cousins, not fathers and sons. The only time that topic is ever brought up is around puberty when you are explained how sex and pregnancy work. Other than that, this topic is never discussed among family members.

Prior to the grooming gangs in the UK scandal, i had never heard of cousins engaging in this type of criminal activity together. I just can't imagine my cousin calling me and offering me to participate in something like this. Its beyond my comprehension. So i don't have any stats as to how many cousins and brothers worked with each other to commit these crimes. But its clear there is an issue of proportionality here. It seems clear that one demographic is over represented. Of course the majority of the people in that demographic are innocent. But if this is happening at higher than the per capita rates, its clear something is majorly off here.
 
Grooming still happening in Oxford, ex-investigator says

A former police officer who led a grooming investigation in Oxford has said a similar type of sexual abuse is still happening, warning that the "guys we couldn't catch are still out there".

Simon Morton, former senior investigating officer for Thames Valley Police, told the BBC that perpetrators in the area are operating in plain sight and are "influencing and arranging others to do the same thing".

He added that it is "obvious" grooming is "happening in every city around the country" - a claim supported by another police source.

His comments come as a Tory amendment to the government's Children's Wellbeing and Schools Bill, which would have forced a national inquiry into grooming gangs, was voted down on Wednesday evening.

The government has already said it would adopt the recommendations made in 2022 by the Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse (IICSA), led by Professor Alexis Jay.

Mr Morton led Operation Bullfinch, then the biggest criminal investigation in Oxford's history, which resulted in the convictions of 21 men for offences spanning the late 1990s to the late 2000s.

He said calls for a new public inquiry are "pointless" and would be a waste of money.

"We've done the public inquiry. Every single investigation has been thoroughly reinvestigated and checked. We've had seven years worth of Prof Jay and her team looking at child sex exploitation and made the recommendations.

"Let's get it going. Don't waste your money on more pointless inquiries," he added.

That is a view echoed by a child sexual abuse survivor, who cannot be named, who said the focus in recent days has been misplaced with much of the debate surrounding whether there should be a public inquiry, rather than on what can be done to help victims.

"It's naïve to think [grooming] is not still happening and the political debate is not focused on the problem but on trying to outdo one another," she told the BBC.

"My life has been destroyed by this. People need to focus on us and how to stop this and not on scoring points."

On Monday, Home Secretary Yvette Cooper announced those who cover up or fail to report child sexual abuse could face professional or criminal sanctions under a new offence to be introduced this year.

But Mr Morton said survivors of abuse often don't trust anyone – including the police or social services.

He claimed perpetrators have been driven underground by the recent publicity about abuse but are still active.

Mr Morton said feelings of fear and shame often lead victims to cover up for their abuser by refusing to testify against them.

"When we did this investigation, we spoke to lots of girls and there were even more offenders or suspects," he said.

"We weren't able to turn some of the girls to talk to us and tell us their story. We took nine men to court, and we had only a small amount of victims come and give evidence. It was much bigger than that."

In response to Mr Morton's allegations, Thames Valley Police said that information uncovered during Operation Bullfinch, which was launched in 2011 to investigate allegations of historical sexual abuse, led to "24 convictions with sentences totalling over 250 years' imprisonment".

"There are now more police officers and detectives working in child abuse investigation and the management of sexual offenders and a new dedicated team monitor all investigations into missing people and identify patterns or underlying issues," it said.

The force added that the exploitation of children "is and continues to be a priority".

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mazkhan said:
We will all gladly go back

Pakistan is friendly with uae and saudi and qatar and us ex uk pakistanis will be opened with welcome arms to the middle east .
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Not so fast.

UAE placed restrictions for pakistani nationals for close to a year now citing "lack of respect for local laws and customs and for participating in political activities".

Quite a conundrum this. You are unwanted in your passport countries. In ME as well. And to exacerbate you don't want return back to native pind. Watcha gonna do "gladly" then?

 
Farhan The Man said:
Not so fast.

UAE placed restrictions for pakistani nationals for close to a year now citing "lack of respect for local laws and customs and for participating in political activities".

Quite a conundrum this. You are unwanted in your passport countries. In ME as well. And to exacerbate you don't want return back to native pind. Watcha gonna do "gladly" then?

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Debunked.

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News, analysis and opinions about India, Pakistan, US, Canada, Europe, Mid East, South Asia, Silicon Valley, High Technology, Economy, Politics, World
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BTW, any restriction imposed on Pakistani nationals would not affect British Pakistanis who are British nationals…
 
DeadlyVenom said:
No it is not good look at all and the issue should be faced head on with public court cases and inquiry.

I'll be honest it is a tough time to be Pakistani in the UK at the moment because of the association with these vermin.
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Pakistanis got played politically by the labour party.

When Some cases of such grooming appeared, the labour government should have cracked down on it and sent a strong msg.

But they played a very dangerous game of vote bank politics. They tried to hide these things. Looked the other way. They communicated To the pakistani muslim community that no matter what, we will shield you from the law.

This emboldened more such criminal minded people to do the same thing. More efforts by the labour party to hide it.

When questioned, the labour used words such as Islamophobia and Multiculturalism to defend their inaction. When this has nothing to do with Islam or Multiculturalism.

But labour wanted to appear to the pakistani community as their saviours.

Now this issue has become a political hot potato, the opposition is creating a narrative of US vs them. This will polarise the public.

The pakistani community leaders must distance themselves from this political agenda of the labour party.
 
TSA321 said:
Debunked.

www.riazhaq.com

Growing Demand For Pakistani Workers in Gulf Arab Kingdoms

News, analysis and opinions about India, Pakistan, US, Canada, Europe, Mid East, South Asia, Silicon Valley, High Technology, Economy, Politics, World
www.riazhaq.com www.riazhaq.com

BTW, any restriction imposed on Pakistani nationals would not affect British Pakistanis who are British nationals…
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Read his post. Mazkhan said if British pakistanis leave the UK citizenship, UAE Saudi etc will welcome them.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Pakistanis got played politically by the labour party.

When Some cases of such grooming appeared, the labour government should have cracked down on it and sent a strong msg.

But they played a very dangerous game of vote bank politics. They tried to hide these things. Looked the other way. They communicated To the pakistani muslim community that no matter what, we will shield you from the law.

This emboldened more such criminal minded people to do the same thing. More efforts by the labour party to hide it.

When questioned, the labour used words such as Islamophobia and Multiculturalism to defend their inaction. When this has nothing to do with Islam or Multiculturalism.

But labour wanted to appear to the pakistani community as their saviours.

Now this issue has become a political hot potato, the opposition is creating a narrative of US vs them. This will polarise the public.

The pakistani community leaders must distance themselves from this political agenda of the labour party.
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None of this happened lol
 
mazkhan said:
This is mostly historic abuse which happened over 20-30 yrs by a select few of multiple generation of inbreeding mirpuris before mass migration

They were convicted and sentenced.

Where's the newest Asian grooming gang in last 10yrs ? Does anyone know of a case of white girls being raped by muslim gangs in last 10 yrs . I'm talking of gang rape and grooming gangs.

Like kkwc said indians need to pipe down india is rape capital of the world where there are many cases of women being gang raped on buses and public they even gang raped a Brazilian Spanish women and beat her husband up.
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Indians are not being blamed for grooming scandals or terrorist attacks in the UK.

Pakistanis are.

The labour party is accused of a cover up.

Indians didn't make these accusations.

Btw can you tell me what is Baccha Bazi in Pakistan?

Does pakistani law still need 4 male witnesses to prove that a women was raped?


Is it true that until recently in Pakistan law allowed perpetrators to go scot free by asking forgiveness from the victims family?
 
cricketjoshila said:
So the labour government prosecuted every grooming scandal group and didn't look the other way? And all such accusations are false?
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Yes they are false. They are all now prosecuted and jailed. It is not a Labour party issue despite the way Musk is presenting it for his own political reasons because he is against Kier Starmer. Labour doesn't prosecute criminals. The courts do.

The people who looked the other way aren't politicians - it was mainly social workers, perhaps police forces and even parents of the girls in some cases exploited their kids for money/drugs.

There were two main themes - some authorities had an overly defensive attitude towards race and didn't want to highlight the perpetrators because of fear of being called racist, and a second class issue that many didn't even bother investigating because the girl victims were mainly from the lowest spectrum of society and not taken seriously.
 
modern guitarist said:
do i think the cousins and brothers are a significant portion? Yes. This has gone in in 50 towns based on the reports. It would be hard for these men to commit these crimes without collaborating with other men so it does seem like cousins were actively working with each other.

Again i don't mean to blame you personally or anything. I am sure you are a decent guy. That isn't the issue.

The issue is there is something very disturbing going in. In my family, even the topic of sex is never ever discussed among family members - not brothers, not cousins, not fathers and sons. The only time that topic is ever brought up is around puberty when you are explained how sex and pregnancy work. Other than that, this topic is never discussed among family members.

Prior to the grooming gangs in the UK scandal, i had never heard of cousins engaging in this type of criminal activity together. I just can't imagine my cousin calling me and offering me to participate in something like this. Its beyond my comprehension. So i don't have any stats as to how many cousins and brothers worked with each other to commit these crimes. But its clear there is an issue of proportionality here. It seems clear that one demographic is over represented. Of course the majority of the people in that demographic are innocent. But if this is happening at higher than the per capita rates, its clear something is majorly off here.
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If it's gone on in 50 towns then there must be at least 50 separate convictions assuming it's only one in each town. That's far more than I have heard of, so if you have evidence of this then please provide it.

Yes there was collaboration between these men, but with regard to cousins collaborating in sex crimes, you didn't answer the question I asked as to how representative these were of the Pakistani community. You don't even seem sure they are representative of the gangs in general as there are more than 50 in your estimation.
 
Yesterday in parliament, one MP from Reform UK asked to ban all UK Visas for Pak citizens. I know it is an extreme reaction but there is a lot of anger on the ground for Pakistani people. All these drama about calling it Asian gang etc won't work. British people have become smarter know and fully aware this rape gang members were not Indians, Bangladeshis or SriLankans. They are Pakistanis.
 
Pakistani population in UK is around 7-8% of total population.

Pakistan is around 4500 miles away from UK.

Yet Pak citizens are causing so much nuisence in Britain, let it be this grooming gangs or terrorism or even the cricketers getting jailed there.

Then imagine how much of a trouble they are for their immidiate neighbour India. Hopefully now people, especially likes of David Bumble Lloyd realize why India does not want any sporting ties with such a nation.

#FACTS
 
cricketjoshila said:
Indians are not being blamed for grooming scandals or terrorist attacks in the UK.

Pakistanis are.

The labour party is accused of a cover up.

Indians didn't make these accusations.

Btw can you tell me what is Baccha Bazi in Pakistan?

Does pakistani law still need 4 male witnesses to prove that a women was raped?


Is it true that until recently in Pakistan law allowed perpetrators to go scot free by asking forgiveness from the victims family?
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Bacha bazi is more related to Afghanistan and the warlords who preceded the Taliban. It was often cited as one of the main reasons why support for Taliban grew in that country as the people wanted their children protected and presumably the Taliban with their Islamic values were considered the most committed to wiping out this deviant practice.

There is no such ruling as 4 male witnesses required for rape in Pakistan as far as I am aware. Not sure what it has to do with grooming either.

Mods please allow replies if loaded questions are going to be allowed.
 
Rajdeep said:
Pakistani population in UK is around 7-8% of total population.

Pakistan is around 4500 miles away from UK.

Yet Pak citizens are causing so much nuisence in Britain, let it be this grooming gangs or terrorism or even the cricketers getting jailed there.

Then imagine how much of a trouble they are for their immidiate neighbour India. Hopefully now people, especially likes of David Bumble Lloyd realize why India does not want any sporting ties with such a nation.

#FACTS
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None of this is FACTS, it is a spin by a Hindu who lives in Britain and is letting other orange coloured emotions drive his narrative. This is a 13 year old story which has exploded because of Elon Musk's attack on the British govt. I don't think he even mentioned Pakistan specifically.
 
@Rajdeep

There is no escape from this not just for Pakistanis but for the majority of the subcontinent convert Muslims practising very conveniently the most controversial interpretations in Islam. The focus in coming years will definitely come to the extremely weird sexualized behaviour where for some weird reasons everything about these people’s life from childhood to old age is somewhat linked to sex. From multiple marriages, to temporary marriage contracts, to socially acceptable inbreeding where brothers are marrying sisters, women being mentally conditioned from childhood to not only support but weirdly even promote this kind of extreme misogynist sexual behaviour from
Men objectifying and demeaning women to just sex objects. It will all be under extreme focus of international debates in the coming years. There is no room for this in civilised society.
 
Bhaijaan said:
@Rajdeep

There is no escape from this not just for Pakistanis but for the majority of the subcontinent convert Muslims practising very conveniently the most controversial interpretations in Islam. The focus in coming years will definitely come to the extremely weird sexualized behaviour where for some weird reasons everything about these people’s life from childhood to old age is somewhat linked to sex. From multiple marriages, to temporary marriage contracts, to socially acceptable inbreeding where brothers are marrying sisters, women being mentally conditioned from childhood to not only support but weirdly even promote this kind of extreme misogynist sexual behaviour from
Men objectifying and demeaning women to just sex objects. It will all be under extreme focus of international debates in the coming years. There is no room for this in civilised society.
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“Multiple marriages” is something that occurs in all communities, and this may completely shock you to the core, but a survey done in 1961 showed Muslims do it the least in India. Same is probably still true today.

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Temporary marriages are not allowed in Sunni Islam which is the dominant sect. They are allowed in Shia Islam but even then the vast majority of them don't do it.

"Marriages between brothers and sisters" does not happen except inside your head.

"Men objectifying women to just sex objects" is something that happens in all communities in India, hence why Indians are globally associated with harassment of women more than most other nationalities.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
None of this is FACTS, it is a spin by a Hindu who lives in Britain and is letting other orange coloured emotions drive his narrative. This is a 13 year old story which has exploded because of Elon Musk's attack on the British govt. I don't think he even mentioned Pakistan specifically.
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Doubt he lives in the UK. I think the weird/overly aggressive Indian posters are all India based.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
None of this is FACTS, it is a spin by a Hindu who lives in Britain and is letting other orange coloured emotions drive his narrative. This is a 13 year old story which has exploded because of Elon Musk's attack on the British govt. I don't think he even mentioned Pakistan specifically.
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What 13 year old story? Check post #596 posted by a moderator that it is still happening.

Proud to be a Hindu who are maintaining some sanctity of the brown people abroad amidst this chaos.
 
I don’t like the fact that all Muslims are being victimized for this when it’s just Pakistani Muslims clearly and it should be reported as such. This mental sickness does not exist to the same extent in Middle East or other South Asian Muslim nations like Indonesia, Malaysia.

The Muslims of the subcontinent , primarily that of Pakistan, Bharat, Bangladesh are the most perverted ones as is being rightly pointed out.

In fact i feel it’s kind of unfair only the Pakistani Muslims are facing all the heat while Bharat based Muslims remain under the radar just because the brand name brand image of Bharat itself as a country is too powerful you take this brand away and the Bharatiya Muslims are going to be totally totally exposed. What do you reckon about this? @Rajdeep @cricketjoshila

Bangladesh is the darling of US for now for deep state agenda sake so they’re also avoiding the heat. But for how long? Elon Musk is just waiting for green signal from Trump and once he gets it he will go berserk on Bangladeshi Muslims. You can bookmark this.
 
Bhaijaan said:
I don’t like the fact that all Muslims are being victimized for this when it’s just Pakistani Muslims .
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there’s been various different ethnicities of all kinds involved in this.
E.g.

www.bbc.co.uk

Operation Sanctuary: Newcastle child sex network convicted - BBC News

Vulnerable girls and young women were plied with alcohol and drugs and then forced to have sex.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

“Those prosecuted were from the Bangladeshi, Pakistani, Indian, Iraqi, Iranian and Turkish communities”
 
TSA321 said:
BTW, any restriction imposed on Pakistani nationals would not affect British Pakistanis who are British nationals…
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That actually exacerbates the situation.

Your reputation as pakistani men with british passports precedes you. Unlike pakistani men with pakistani passports.

Wonder what benefit you lot can bring to relatively successful societies of UAE/KSA that they welcome you with open arms?
 
TSA321 said:
there’s been various different ethnicities of all kinds involved in this.
E.g.

www.bbc.co.uk

Operation Sanctuary: Newcastle child sex network convicted - BBC News

Vulnerable girls and young women were plied with alcohol and drugs and then forced to have sex.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

“Those prosecuted were from the Bangladeshi, Pakistani, Indian, Iraqi, Iranian and Turkish communities”
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I already said something that supports you in my next paragraph.

Bharat based Muslims have escaped this because of Bharat’s powerful brand image and Bangladeshi Muslims have escaped this because of Deepstate ties. Otherwise they’re no better than Pakistani Muslims. In fact I have said this on numerous occasions that Pakistani Muslims are generally better than them.
 
TSA321 said:
Doubt he lives in the UK. I think the weird/overly aggressive Indian posters are all India based.
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He lives in Britain as he has since confirmed. You have to remember that Hindus abroad have been packing out stadiums when their PM, leader of the hindutva movement in India has visited. They seem to be somewhat ashamed of their reputation as peaceniks abroad, and have latched onto the more violent and intolerant mentality which the BJP espouses.
 
Bhaijaan said:
I don’t like the fact that all Muslims are being victimized for this when it’s just Pakistani Muslims clearly and it should be reported as such. This mental sickness does not exist to the same extent in Middle East or other South Asian Muslim nations like Indonesia, Malaysia.

The Muslims of the subcontinent , primarily that of Pakistan, Bharat, Bangladesh are the most perverted ones as is being rightly pointed out.

In fact i feel it’s kind of unfair only the Pakistani Muslims are facing all the heat while Bharat based Muslims remain under the radar just because the brand name brand image of Bharat itself as a country is too powerful you take this brand away and the Bharatiya Muslims are going to be totally totally exposed. What do you reckon about this? @Rajdeep @cricketjoshila

Bangladesh is the darling of US for now for deep state agenda sake so they’re also avoiding the heat. But for how long? Elon Musk is just waiting for green signal from Trump and once he gets it he will go berserk on Bangladeshi Muslims. You can bookmark this.
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I agree with you on this Bhaijaan, I have often said that this is a sickness which is particularly linked to the subcontinent. There seems to be a culture of abuse in that part of the world, India itself is now the first country mentioned when rape is associated to a nation.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
He lives in Britain as he has since confirmed. You have to remember that Hindus abroad have been packing out stadiums when their PM, leader of the hindutva movement in India has visited. They seem to be somewhat ashamed of their reputation as peaceniks abroad, and have latched onto the more violent and intolerant mentality which the BJP espouses.
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When our PM visited here in 2015 as state visit (first time as PM), he got the following:

1. Red carpet welcome in Buckingham palace.

2. Allowed to give a speech in UK Parliament (2nd leader after Obama in entire last decade).

3. Address 100k proud Indians in Wembley Stadium. Oh did I mention, then PM Cameron and his wife sat with a translator for the entire 90 mins of his speech.

You worry abour grooming gangs from your community.

Also, no one is ashamed of anything. If you aren't ashamed of these rapists or ISIS terrorists and debate here 24*7 defending them as if your life depends on it, why would peace loving Indians be ashamed of anything.


Kaptaan Sahab

:kp
 
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Rajdeep said:
When our PM visited here in 2015 as state visit (first time as PM), he got the following:

1. Red carpet welcome in Buckingham palace.

2. Allowed to give a speech in UK Parliament (2nd leader after Obama in entire last decade).

3. Address 100k proud Indians in Wembley Stadium. Oh did I mention, then PM Cameron and his wife sat with a translator for the entire 90 mins of his speech.

You worry abour grooming gangs from your community.

Also, no one is ashamed of anything. If you aren't ashamed of these rapists or ISIS terrorists and debate here 24*7 defending them as if your life depends on it, why would peace loving Indians be ashamed of anything.

Btw, are you working today? Did you discuss the code and gave an update of your project to your Indian manager yet?

Kaptaan Sahab

:kp
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British Indians are quite free to flock to stadiums to idolise the Butcher of Gujarat, I wouldn't have even mentioned it except that another poster assumed you were posting from India. It appears I have hit a nerve with the comment about ex-pat Indians perhaps wanting to identify with aggressive Indian PMs because of their perceptions as softy pushovers abroad who yearn for approval by proving how well they integrate as compared to Muslims.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
British Indians are quite free to flock to stadiums to idolise the Butcher of Gujarat, I wouldn't have even mentioned it except that another poster assumed you were posting from India. It appears I have hit a nerve with the comment about ex-pat Indians perhaps wanting to identify with aggressive Indian PMs because of their perceptions as softy pushovers abroad who yearn for approval by proving how well they integrate as compared to Muslims.
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If Godhra like incident keep on happening, there will be many butchers in future. India is not an Islamic nation to pander them.
 
Rajdeep said:
If Godhra like incident keep on happening, there will be many butchers in future. India is not an Islamic nation to pander them.
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If you live in Britain then you will know that Gujarat massacre was covered in the media, then following the bad press for Modi, he was banned from stepping foot in many countries. Godhra incident was something which hindutva propaganda wing manufactured afterwards to justify the bloodletting which got Modi a bad rep.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
If you live in Britain then you will know that Gujarat massacre was covered in the media, then following the bad press for Modi, he was banned from stepping foot in many countries. Godhra incident was something which hindutva propaganda wing manufactured afterwards to justify the bloodletting which got Modi a bad rep.
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Ofcourse if will be propaganda for an Islamist like you but the reality is that Gujarat riots was started after a train full of hindu pilgrimeges were burned down in the station of Godhra. Also what I am saying is, if Islamists try to do these again in India, they will get beaten up again...Modi or no Modi.
 
Bhaijaan said:
I already said something that supports you in my next paragraph.

Bharat based Muslims have escaped this because of Bharat’s powerful brand image and Bangladeshi Muslims have escaped this because of Deepstate ties. Otherwise they’re no better than Pakistani Muslims. In fact I have said this on numerous occasions that Pakistani Muslims are generally better than them.
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Ok great, the Indian guy (Prabhat Nelli) in that gang in that link was a Hindu though.
 
TSA321 said:
Ok great, the Indian guy (Prabhat Nelli) in that gang in that link was a Hindu though.
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Any Hindu guy found guilty in these things must be given the strictest punishment possible.

We Hindus do not defend rapists and terrorists
 
modern guitarist said:
Yes. I have a cousin who lives in Aus and has done so for over a decade. Its terrible that these ones who went to Europe are not only causing so much trouble in their new countries but also ruining our reputation globally.
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Can you imagine the magnitude of this - you are talking about something truly evil happening to 1400 kids over a decade, some as young as 11 or 12 years old! The kind of blind eye and coverup to avoid racial tensions is kinda insane to have happened in any country let alone a purported first-world one (heads would have rolled if this was America!). There should be no defence or whattaboutery associated to this kind of appeasement. Starmer deserves what he is getting.
 
Mockingbird said:
Can you imagine the magnitude of this - you are talking about something truly evil happening to 1400 kids over a decade, some as young as 11 or 12 years old! The kind of blind eye and coverup to avoid racial tensions is kinda insane to have happened in any country let alone a purported first-world one (heads would have rolled if this was America!). There should be no defence or whattaboutery associated to this kind of appeasement. Starmer deserves what he is getting.
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Why does Starmer deserve what he is getting?
 
Mockingbird said:
Can you imagine the magnitude of this - you are talking about something truly evil happening to 1400 kids over a decade, some as young as 11 or 12 years old! The kind of blind eye and coverup to avoid racial tensions is kinda insane to have happened in any country let alone a purported first-world one (heads would have rolled if this was America!). There should be no defence or whattaboutery associated to this kind of appeasement. Starmer deserves what he is getting.
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Well if he had as a prosecutor slacked off on the prosecution or blocked national investigation, then yeah sure - he should be getting flak for it.
 
Mockingbird said:
Well if he had as a prosecutor slacked off on the prosecution or blocked national investigation, then yeah sure - he should be getting flak for it.
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There has been an enquiry. Maybe you can actually do some research. It was reported in the Times that Musk is planning to fund to overthrow the Labour govt. This has nothing to do with child Molesters and more to do with racist Musks South African routes coming to the fore. Apparently he believes that Labour is a threat to the Western civilisation, read white supremacy
 
Bhaijaan said:
I don’t like the fact that all Muslims are being victimized for this when it’s just Pakistani Muslims clearly and it should be reported as such. This mental sickness does not exist to the same extent in Middle East or other South Asian Muslim nations like Indonesia, Malaysia.

The Muslims of the subcontinent , primarily that of Pakistan, Bharat, Bangladesh are the most perverted ones as is being rightly pointed out.

In fact i feel it’s kind of unfair only the Pakistani Muslims are facing all the heat while Bharat based Muslims remain under the radar just because the brand name brand image of Bharat itself as a country is too powerful you take this brand away and the Bharatiya Muslims are going to be totally totally exposed. What do you reckon about this? @Rajdeep @cricketjoshila

Bangladesh is the darling of US for now for deep state agenda sake so they’re also avoiding the heat. But for how long? Elon Musk is just waiting for green signal from Trump and once he gets it he will go berserk on Bangladeshi Muslims. You can bookmark this.
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By the same token, India,a hindu country has a horrendous reputation for rape. Why is that? Why does Hindu Ind rape it's women? Is it a cultural problem? We need an explanation
 
Rajdeep said:
Pakistani population in UK is around 7-8% of total population.

Pakistan is around 4500 miles away from UK.

Yet Pak citizens are causing so much nuisence in Britain, let it be this grooming gangs or terrorism or even the cricketers getting jailed there.

Then imagine how much of a trouble they are for their immidiate neighbour India. Hopefully now people, especially likes of David Bumble Lloyd realize why India does not want any sporting ties with such a nation.

#FACTS
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Why does Ind have a such big problem with rape. Women aren't safe and raped as if they are worthless. Why is that.
 
Rajdeep said:
India has a rape problem big time without any doubt. I don't think anyone has denied it.
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Why though? Don't we need an explanation? Is it a Hindu thing or something misogynistic thing. As an Ind Are you responsible for the criminal behaviour of these murdering rapists.
 
TSA321 said:
So it turns out the only group overrepresented in csa offences are in fact the native White British population.
https://www.csacentre.org.uk/resear...cale-nature-of-abuse/trends-in-official-data/ (on the pdf)

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this has always been the case, that is why the media made such a big issue about grooming gangs, as opposed to paedophiles in general. they chose a particular subsection of child sex abuse cases, one where the case of the gangs in the midlands completely skews the numbers, because it's simply not a common thing.

if people wanted to have a mature conversation of how these grooming gangs came to be, how to identify them, and how to stop them from re-emerging, that would be a useful topic, but like every other topic on any social matter on this forum its not long the usual suspects to jump on the moral high horse to try and vilify and malign all British Pakistanis.

i know that its been tough online, given the cyber hatred directed towards you and trying to let people know that there are different kinds of browns makes logical sense in your head, but what you fail to see is that they will hate you as much for whatever they choose to malign you over, regardless of how much you try to distance yourself from British Pakistanis.

#rantover
 
Bhaijaan said:
Any Hindu guy found guilty in these things must be given the strictest punishment possible.

We Hindus do not defend rapists and terrorists
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These Hindus only got 10 years :(
www.bbc.co.uk

Trio jailed for kidnapping woman after night out

The victim was abducted after believing she had got into a taxi, then driven to a remote area.
www.bbc.co.uk

Three men have been jailed for kidnapping a woman who got into their car after a night out, believing it was a taxi.

Leicestershire Police said Ajay Doppalapudi, Vahar Manchala and Rana Yallambai coerced their victim into their Audi in Leicester in the early hours of Sunday 16 January.

She was driven 15 miles to a secluded spot before she escaped.

The three men were each jailed for 10 years at Leicester Crown Court.

The defendants, all from Gaul Street, Leicester, had denied kidnapping the woman but were found guilty following a trial in September.

After Friday's sentencing, detectives described Doppalapudi, 27, Manchala, 24, and Yellambai, 30, as "predators" and praised their victim for her bravery in giving evidence that helped convict them.

The prosecution told the trial the men had been "prowling" the city centre in their car when they saw the woman, who is in her 30s.

The jury heard the woman was "drunk and vulnerable" but realised she was not in a taxi when the car started to drive away from her home.

The court was told she became "increasingly alarmed and frightened" as she was taken to an isolated area near the M1 at Misterton, near Lutterworth.

Police said she was pulled from the vehicle but was then able to get free and run to the motorway to seek help.

Subsequent CCTV inquiries identified the car in Leicester city centre.

The registered owner was traced to the defendants' address where they were arrested, police said.

All three were also subsequently charged with rape but the trial judge ordered the jury to find them not guilty.

The jury was unable to reach a verdict on a charge they assaulted her by penetration.
 
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Bewal Express said:
Why does Ind have a such big problem with rape. Women aren't safe and raped as if they are worthless. Why is that.
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Rape wasn’t a common thing in Ancient Sanatani Bharat. Of all the records of wars and governance we have not read about rape being so common.

If history of Bharat is reviewed in this context, then the concept of rape as we understand it today, was introduced by the Islamic invaders and their armies. This tradition has been passed on unfortunately and at a larger level most recently we saw in 1971 how the Pakistan army used rape as a military weapon against the revolting Bangladeshi people eventually resulting in Bharat getting involved saying enough rapes we can’t stand it anymore, the Bangladeshi maybe a ridiculously awful bunch of people don’t deserve to be treated like this. After Pakistan was comprehensively defeated and humiliated in a matter of hours resulting in a world record 90,000 soldiers waving the white flags and getting to their knees giving birth to the nation known as Bangladesh.

Bharat has seen foreign invasions from British, Portuguese, Dutch as well but rape isn’t commonly associated with their conquests in Bharat nearly as much as it is associated with almost every Islamic invader. I’m not an expert at Islamic history but any knowledgeable individual on this matter can tell us why it is like that. Has rape genuinely been a tactic used by Islamists historically.

In modern Bharat, I do not deny sadly even Sanatanis are often caught raping. But we do not shamelessly defend them. We catch them and prosecute them showing no mercy on the basis of religion. There have been instances when Hindu parents asked their kids to be put on death punishment for their heinous crime.

We have to do more however and get rid of this sickness which has sadly made It’s way to our country.
 
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