Asians make up 80% of child groomers – study

[Waq]

Appreciate the kind words and the respect is mutual.

It's exactly that. I want Brit Pakistanis to thrive. It's sad to see us lag so far behind our North American counterparts.

Instead of embracing the shortfalls, they are easily influenced by conspiracy theories. A convenient coping mechanism to keep them living in denial.

I've been reading your posts on the Tate thread with great interest. I haven't had much to say on his arrest in Romania because I haven't had the time to read up on his life history. But what I do know is he's another example of someone who feeds into the victimhood type of mentality. To see a growing number of Pakistanis look up to him shows we're not progressing but instead we're actually going backwards.

As you say, it's the internet based conspiracy theorists without real world experiences.

Appreciated and I respect that you still have faith that there is hope for British Pakistanis.

The reason why these kids are in awe of Tate and don’t like Pakistani grooming gangs mentioned is that they have no life experiences and feel the whole world is against them. They have been raised in a generation where deflecting and whose tweets are more powerful than debating issues.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Appreciated and I respect that you still have faith that there is hope for British Pakistanis.

The reason why these kids are in awe of Tate and don’t like Pakistani grooming gangs mentioned is that they have no life experiences and feel the whole world is against them. They have been raised in a generation where deflecting and whose tweets are more powerful than debating issues.

No one is stopping you from debating anything, but using buzz phrases like "conspiracy theory" and "victim mentality" and inferring this is a Pakistani trait, like your friend who you are quoting isn't debating, it is just lazy stereotyping. It's very far from debating.

Actually I have no problem steretyping either, but when I do it [MENTION=147314]topspin[/MENTION] starts squealing I am anti-Indian.

 

[Bewal Express]

I actually agree with your second sentence and I also alluded to that when I said I despise Suella because we all know what she said was all about pandering to the right wing.

You know my views on these losers. I work with children and anyone that protects underage girls and boys is good with me. What I find annoying is that thus used to condemn all of us as some sort inherent abusers when we know that both culturally and religiously its haraam. I dare anyone to find me a right minded PK that doesn't call These losers as haaaramis.

 

[Waq]

No one is stopping you from debating anything, but using buzz phrases like "conspiracy theory" and "victim mentality" and inferring this is a Pakistani trait, like your friend who you are quoting isn't debating, it is just lazy stereotyping. It's very far from debating.

Actually I have no problem steretyping either, but when I do it [MENTION=147314]topspin[/MENTION] starts squealing I am anti-Indian.

Pull the other one kid, you’re the first to insult and label people when they don’t agree with you. I find you amusing playing a victim now.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Pull the other one kid, you’re the first to insult and label people when they don’t agree with you. I find you amusing playing a victim now.

Victim how? It's not me who has to run around crying to white people that we aren't all like the Rochdalee groomers. That would be you mate, just read you saying that in the thread about white paedos. I am like any other Brit, don't feel the need to be racist or apologise on behalf of other racists because of some shared ancestry.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Why do you feel the need to apologise to white people for Pakistani groomers, when white people would never think to adopt collective racial guilt for their pervs? Can you just answer me that question please? I don't think you can because there are underlying implications as to why you feel pressured into doing so.

I think “apologizing” from the white people is not needed but we do need to stand up and not only resist but also push back against the stereotyping we get as a community, because of the bad actions by a few.

Yes, you, I and many, many others did not commit such a crime and we are not responsible for anyone else’s actions, but as a community, unfortunately we get a collective bash. And we need to fight back against it.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I think “apologizing” from the white people is not needed but we do need to stand up and not only resist but also push back against the stereotyping we get as a community, because of the bad actions by a few.

Yes, you, I and many, many others did not commit such a crime and we are not responsible for anyone else’s actions, but as a community, unfortunately we get a collective bash. And we need to fight back against it.

And that is exactly what I have been doing on this thread. I won't excuse pervs or leeches of any nationality or skin colour, but at the same time I have consistently refused to accept this behaviour as a badge of dishonour for the British Pakistani community because

1. It's not true they are representative
2. This sort of racial profiling is not used for the majority white community - nor should it be.

 

[Abel Reames]

Apologizing for the actions of low lifes just because they are from one's community is unnecessary but acknowledgment that an issue exists rather than denial is more mature.

I don't have stats at hand but as discussed before if the crime is street grooming using loverboy tactics on vulnerable girls aged 13-16 by enticing them with drugs and drinks then pimping them out to friends, relatives, paying punters - this modus operandi has an overwhelming representation of British Pakistani and Pakistani Pakistani males living in UK.

We as a community should acknowlege this. Maybe our rculture sees white vulnerable girls as worthless. Maybe sex at home with the imported wife is not great. Maybe long hours working night time they need some recreation. Maybe they are fed a diet of porn.

Of course add on other grooming cases, cases where individuals are concerned, abuse is online, it is girls under the age of 12, the numbers of Pakistanis is diluted.

Overall sex crimes probably align to demographics. I guess date rape Pakistanis would be under-represented, I'd say flashing we'd be underrepresented.

Tho our penchant for street grooming does create headlines. After all we are 3 per cent of the population, whites 87 per cent, nearly x30, we shouldn't be in the same book let alone paragraph/sentence when these things are discussed.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Again, the question has to be asked, why aren't we asking the same questions about other nationalities or racial groups? Before we start getting the hysterical claims of denial or conspiracy theory, how about some genuine reflection on this question?

The paedo and snuff rings were certainly led by white communities in the early days, but I don't recall ever seeing them being racially profiled for it, and I can't imagine it would be well received if those headlines were printed in the tabloids. I don't think Priti or Suella would be front of the queue to suggest such perversion be linked to the white community either. I wonder why?

 

[the Great Khan]

Apologizing for the actions of low lifes just because they are from one's community is unnecessary but acknowledgment that an issue exists rather than denial is more mature.

I don't have stats at hand but as discussed before if the crime is street grooming using loverboy tactics on vulnerable girls aged 13-16 by enticing them with drugs and drinks then pimping them out to friends, relatives, paying punters - this modus operandi has an overwhelming representation of British Pakistani and Pakistani Pakistani males living in UK.

We as a community should acknowlege this. Maybe our rculture sees white vulnerable girls as worthless. Maybe sex at home with the imported wife is not great. Maybe long hours working night time they need some recreation. Maybe they are fed a diet of porn.

Of course add on other grooming cases, cases where individuals are concerned, abuse is online, it is girls under the age of 12, the numbers of Pakistanis is diluted.

Overall sex crimes probably align to demographics. I guess date rape Pakistanis would be under-represented, I'd say flashing we'd be underrepresented.

Tho our penchant for street grooming does create headlines. After all we are 3 per cent of the population, whites 87 per cent, nearly x30, we shouldn't be in the same book let alone paragraph/sentence when these things are discussed.

Don't talk stats if you dont have them to hand..just stop at the first sentence.

Child abuse is grooming. Capiche. To abuse a child involves grooming. By its very nature. This separate term is not a legal term. A grooming gang is simply a child abuse gang. There is no difference. Do you not get it? If Asian men are involved in child abuse it is as bad as white men involved in it. But this specific media created term has been created to single out Pakistanis. Its a term that has no legal basis.

But look at the insidious nature of these cruel vile racists who have even brought their racism into these issues. Its the "even though our boys are bad they ain't as bad as that lot" tribal sick mentality.

 

[MenInG]

Suella Braverman has been urged to withdraw "divisive" comments around child sexual exploitation (CSE) by dozens of medical bodies, businesses and Muslim community organisations, Sky News can reveal.

A number of Muslim organisations across the country have written to Rishi Sunak to express "deep concern" at what they branded "irresponsible and divisive rhetoric" from the home secretary.

Among the criticism of the home secretary is that her comments around grooming gangs, which were aired in a series of interviews last week, amounted to "inflammatory and divisive rhetoric that is sensationalist and contradicts her own department's evidence".

In comments that generated a heavy backlash, Ms Braverman told Sky News' Sophy Ridge on Sunday programme: "What's clear is that what we've seen is a practice whereby vulnerable white English girls, sometimes in care, sometimes who are in challenging circumstances, being pursued and raped and drugged and harmed by gangs of British Pakistani men who've worked in child abuse rings or networks.

"It's now down to the authorities to track these perpetrators down without fear or favour relentlessly and bring them to justice."

She also claimed Labour-run areas failed to stop child grooming gangs over fears they would be called "racist".

In a series of joint letters to the prime minister, Muslim leaders from across the country have urged the prime minister to "separate himself" from Ms Braverman's comments, which they called on her to withdraw.

Dr Shahid Latif, chair of the British Pakistani Psychiatrists Association who signed one of the letters, told Sky News: "What we would like immediately, we would like a withdrawal of this statement.

"There is no other way about this, and the PM needs to come out and separate himself from these comments, he must realise these comments cause nothing but division.

"Muslims in this country are just coming out from being synonymised with terrorism. This is actually going back to square one and starting all over again, so when people think about child sexual exploitation, the first thing they link to that is British Pakistanis."

The Muslim Women's network, which has worked with Asian victims of Child sexual exploitation, said Ms Braverman's "approach...of demonising an entire community and lending credibility to far-right narratives undermines the need to ensure all victims of CSE are protected and all perpetrators are bought to justice", while community organisations across England, Wales and Scotland labelled it "an act of collective punishment for the reprehensible acts of a few".

Medical professionals with frontline experience of working with victims also raised alarm bells about the home secretary's approach, saying "it enables these heinous crimes to continue by focusing on political exhibitionism instead of implementing impactful action that is evidence-based".

A Home Office-commissioned study in 2020 found that group-based child sexual exploitation offenders are most commonly white.

Ms Braverman's comments came as the government unveiled a raft of measures aimed at tackling child sexual abuse.

It said legislation will make being the leader of, or involved in, a grooming gang, a statutory aggravating factor during sentencing, which would allow judges to hand down tougher punishments.

Meanwhile, people working with children in England will have a new legal duty to report knowledge or suspicions of child sex abuse.

Ms Braverman has been defended by Mr Sunak, who said inquiries into grooming gang incidents in Rochdale, Rotherham and Telford showed that victims were ignored often because people did not want to be "culturally insensitive" or because of political correctness.

Ahead of launching a taskforce of specialist officers, Mr Sunak said: "For too long, political correctness has stopped us from weeding out vile criminals who prey on children and young women.

A Home Office spokesperson told Sky News: "The home secretary has been clear that all despicable child abusers must be brought to justice. And she will not shy away from telling hard truths, particularly when it comes to the grooming of young women and girls in Britain's towns who have been failed by authorities over decades.

"As the home secretary has said, the vast majority of British-Pakistanis are law-abiding, upstanding citizens but independent reports were unequivocal that in towns like Rochdale, Rotherham and Telford cultural sensitivities have meant thousands of young girls were abused under the noses of councils and police.

"That's why we have announced a raft of measures, including a new police taskforce and mandatory reporting, to ensure this horrific scandal can never happen again, and bring members of grooming gangs to justice for the victims."

SKY

 

[KingKhanWC]

[MENTION=8]MIG[/MENTION] Can you please embed this video from this tweet.

https://mobile.twitter.com/I_amMukhtar/status/1642461971055276033

That's the new research coming out and being disseminated thanks to Lowkey and others.

There are 600,000 cases of abuse reported to the Police in the UK in one year alone.

It turns out that the Media based their "Asian grooming gang" claim, by using a pre-selected data sample of 58 cases, taken over 12 years. I'm going to say that again. 58 cases over 12 years.

This tiny sample seemed to show evidence that 80% of crimes were made by Pakistani men

However Low-key exposed is that the other 599,942 crimes of a similar nature reported to the Police every single year were air-brushed. And that's how the grooming gang myth was created

 

[Saj]

Rotherham - Nine men charged with sexual offences as part of investigation into alleged abuse.

According to the National Crime Agency, eight of the men are accused of offences that allegedly took place between 2003 and 2008.

Nine men have been charged with sexual offences as part of an investigation into alleged abuse in Rotherham.

They appeared at Sheffield Magistrates' Court on Wednesday, and have been released on bail until their next hearing on 17 May.

According to the National Crime Agency, eight of the men are accused of offences that allegedly took place between 2003 and 2008.

They are charged as follows:

• Mohammed Amar, 41, of Elizabeth Way, Rotherham, with two counts of indecent assault

• Mohammed Siyab, 43, of Stevenson Drive, Rotherham, with two counts of rape, one of indecent assault and one of trafficking

• Omar Mahmood, 36, of Grosvenor Road, Rotherham, with two counts of rape

• Yasser Ajaib, 38, of Walter Street, Rotherham, with one count of indecent assault

• Mohammed Zameer Sadiq, 48, of Richard Street, Rotherham, with two counts of rape

• Abid Sadiq, 42, formerly of Rotherham, with three counts of rape and one of indecent assault

• Tahir Yasin, 37, of Burngreave Street, Sheffield, with six counts of rape

• Ramin Bari, 36, of Batemore Road, Sheffield, with four counts of rape

The ninth man to be charged - 41-year-old Mohammed Imran Ali Akhtar, formerly of Rotherham - faces two counts of rape and two of indecent assault that allegedly took place in 2001 and 2002.

SKY

 

[daytrader]

Braverman’s claim about ethnicity of grooming gangs was false, regulator rules
Mail on Sunday issues correction over opinion piece by home secretary claiming ‘almost all’ child grooming gangs were British-Pakistani
Suella Braverman falsely claimed child grooming gangs in the UK were “almost all British-Pakistani”, according to a ruling by the press regulator, Ipso.

The home secretary made the claim in a Mail on Sunday article published in April, where she singled out British-Pakistani men as being involved in child sexual abuse gangs due to “cultural attitudes completely incompatible with British values” that “have been left mostly unchallenged both within their communities and by wider society”.

The regulator said Braverman’s decision to link “the identified ethnic group and a particular form of offending was significantly misleading” because the Home Office’s own research had concluded offenders were mainly from white backgrounds.

Four days after publishing the article, the Mail on Sunday offered to amend the online version to make clear that the claim related specifically to high-profile grooming gangs, and publish a correction in the print edition, but its wording was rejected by the complainant, who took the case to Ipso.

In its defence, the Mail on Sunday argued that prior to publication it had double-checked Braverman’s decision to single out British-Pakistanis with advisers to the home secretary and the prime minister, Rishi Sunak. Both teams at the top level of government confirmed they had “no concern over this particular line” and were happy for it to be published.

The newspaper also argued it was entitled to rely on factual information provided by the home secretary about the ethnicities of grooming gangs because the Home Office was the department responsible for dealing with the issue – and Braverman was the most senior member of that department.

Though the regulator did not uphold the complaint, finding the newspaper rechecked the claim in advance with the Home Office and offered a prompt remedy afterwards, it concluded that, regardless of the discussions that had gone on behind the scenes, the Mail on Sunday had published an inaccurate statement as fact. This has led to the highly unusual situation of a newspaper printing a factual correction to a comment article authored by a leading cabinet minister.

Although there have been several high-profile examples of British-Pakistanis involved in grooming gangs, research published by the Home Office in 2020 showed that offenders are “most commonly white” and come from diverse backgrounds.

The Mail on Sunday argued it was unfair to rely on this report because the research was published when a different home secretary, Priti Patel, was in charge of the department. It also said the 2020 report concluded it was “difficult to draw conclusions about the ethnicity of offenders as existing research is limited and data collection is poor”.

Braverman’s advisers later said they singled-out British-Pakistanis in the article because of high-profile grooming gang cases in Rotherham, Rochdale, and Telford, where there was clear evidence of the ethnicity of the perpetrators, rather than looking at offenders as a whole.

The complaint against the Mail on Sunday was brought by the Centre for Media Monitoring, an offshoot of the Muslim Council of Britain, which has repeatedly used the regulatory system to force corrections from British newspapers.

Braverman’s claim about ethnicity of grooming gangs was false, regulator rules

Mail on Sunday issues correction over opinion piece by home secretary claiming ‘almost all’ child grooming gangs were British-Pakistani

www.theguardian.com

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

The damage has been done. Braverman and the racists she panders to know what they are doing. The headlines will make front page news for weeks, the retraction will be a small sentence of correction by the offending paper months later when reputations have already been ruined.

Dog whistle politics and our Indian heritage home secretary is the predictable brown poodle who will do the barking for her masters.

 

[Hitman]

Taxi driver guilty of raping two schoolgirls aged 12 and 13​

Adam Ali, 43, from Greenwich, was arrested as part of one of the UK’s biggest child sex abuse probes.


A taxi driver who raped young girls aged 12 and 13 two decades ago is facing years behind bars.

Adam Ali, 43, of Woolwich Road, Greenwich, used his car to drive vulnerable youngsters to various locations in Rotherham, South Yorkshire between 2002 and 2004.

Victims of Ali, known as Razwan Razaq at the time, were scared to report what he did to them until in their 30s. The pair bravely spoke out after National Crime Agency officers launched Operation Stovewood - the UK’s single largest law enforcement investigation into non-familial child sexual abuse.

One girl was 12-years-old when she was introduced to Ali by a friend.

He drove her to his house in Bramley where he sexually abused and raped her multiple times.

Ali and his friends groomed a second victim, aged 13, by plying her with drink and drugs over the course of several months.
Under the pretence of being concerned for the girl’s welfare, Ali offered to drive her home but raped her partway through the journey.

At the time Op Stovewood begun, Ali was serving an 11-year prison sentence for rape of a girl and two counts of sexual activity with another girl in Rotherham, following an investigation by South Yorkshire Police.

After Ali was released in April 2023 and officers were notified he planned to travel to Pakistan.

Concerned he would not return to the UK, investigators gathered evidence required for charges.

At Sheffield Crown Court, Ali was found guilty of seven sexual offences including rape and indecent assault. He is due to be sentenced on June 25. NCA senior investigating officer Stuart Cobb said: “The victims showed immense courage in recounting Ali’s horrendous abuse.

“I cannot imagine how difficult it was for them to relive their experiences during the trial, yet they gave brave and eloquent accounts.

“This case highlights how the National Crime Agency ensures child abusers face justice, no matter how much time has passed since they committed their crimes.”

Liz Fell, a CPS specialist prosecutor, added: “Adam Ali purposefully targeted his victims with the view that he could exploit them for sex.

“Child sexual abuse is a traumatising crime, the devastating impact of which can last a lifetime.

“We would like to commend the victims in this case for coming forward and reporting what happened to them. It is because of their evidence that we were able to secure a conviction and bring their abuser to justice.

“I hope this conviction sends a clear message that the CPS, working alongside law enforcement, will relentlessly pursue justice and prosecute those who sexually exploit children, whenever that abuse takes place.

“I encourage any victims of child sexual abuse and sexual violence to report the crimes committed against them to the police. It is never too late to seek justice.”

Op Stovewood started in 2014 and identified more than 1,100 victims.

So far NCA officers have made more than 200 arrests and secured 28 convictions, with more than 50 active investigations ongoing.
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Link:https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/...s-rotherham-south-yorkshire-nca-b1159879.html​

 

[mazkhan]

Blame the law

Why release child sex offenders in first place

should have death penalty for these type of people

 

[Hitman]

Blame the law

Why release child sex offenders in first place

should have death penalty for these type of people

There is no death penalty in any of the European countries, I believe.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

Intriguingly, in Huddersfield, the ringleaders were sikh

 

[Bhaijaan]

LOL at “Asians”
Asia has 48 countries.

This is mostly Pakistani men. It’s not even a Muslim issue. It’s predominantly a Pakistani thing and Pakistanis are being targeted for it left, right and center on X.

Of course, the blind apologists of terrorism will come here to deny this too.

The situation cannot improve until we have an open, honest and fact based discussion on these topics.

 

[RexRex]

99% of perpertartors are muslims especially muslims from Pakistan. Whats wrong with these people? 1 in 126 and 1 in 73 is a very daming stat.

Twitter is all rage on the coverup by British media and government.

The question should be put to @KingKhanWC who said in another thread that these kinda of rape incidents are likely due to a cultural issue.

 

[Kriketer]

LOL at “Asians”
Asia has 48 countries.

This is mostly Pakistani men. It’s not even a Muslim issue. It’s predominantly a Pakistani thing and Pakistanis are being targeted for it left, right and center on X.

Of course, the blind apologists of terrorism will come here to deny this too.

The situation cannot improve until we have an open, honest and fact based discussion on these topics.

You are at it again. Close to 90% of pedophiles and rapes are still registered under white race in UK, so what is your point? As for these particular brown being Pakistani or not, should get the harshest punishment, has nothing to do with them being Muslims or Pakistanis. Does India being epicenter of rape and Hindus raping in mass in India annually speak for all Hindus around, although we don't see open, honest, and fact based discussion on Hindudva epicenter rape problem in your country

 

[Bhaijaan]

You are at it again. Close to 90% of pedophiles and rapes are still registered under white race in UK, so what is your point? As for these particular brown being Pakistani or not, should get the harshest punishment, has nothing to do with them being Muslims or Pakistanis. Does India being epicenter of rape and Hindus raping in mass in India annually speak for all Hindus around, although we don't see open, honest, and fact based discussion on Hindudva epicenter rape problem in your country

Issue here is that Pakistani Muslim men are increasingly being found guilty of pedophilia and general sexual harassment in foreign countries, predominantly Europe. In the US and Middle East we are not hearing about it nearly as much a swere hearing about it in the UK followed by some other European countries. What is the problem with the Brit Pakistani community and why are majority of the Pakistani posters who are Brit Pakistanis absent from such threads where cousin marriages, grooming gangs issue are being highlighted. This kind of silence also is raising serious concerns as an admission of guilt.

 

[Farhan The Man]

Look at them beauties. From pind, back to pind.

All wanted to be doctors, gynecologist specifically. Almost achieved their dreams.

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[Bhaijaan]

Look at them beauties. From pind, back to pind.

All wanted to be doctors, gynecologist specifically. Almost achieved their dreams.

View attachment 149365​

Quite a lot of “Asian” diversity in that photo.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Elon Musk is on war against Pakistanis being alleged to be the #1 sexual offender immigrant community across Europe. Pakistanis really facing massive worldwide condemnation and negative PR for this.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1875925416332157229

However our fellow posters here will just come here and say Hindutva brigade is on some agenda and then someone will cite some old news in Delhi or Kolkata which is entirely an internal matter of Bharat.

Elon Musk is not a Bharatiya or a Hindutva lieutenant. What is your counter for him?

 

[TSA321]

Quite a lot of “Asian” diversity in that photo.

Two of them men in that gang were Indian, including the ringleader Amer Singh Dhaliwal.

Ringleader of Huddersfield grooming gang Amere Singh Dhaliwal jailed for life as men handed 220 years

Ringleader Amere Singh Dhaliwal, 35, was jailed for life earlier this year and told he must serve a minimum of 18 years in prison by a judge who said: "Your treatment of these girls was inhuman."

www.yorkshirepost.co.uk

 

[TSA321]

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99% of perpertartors are muslims especially muslims from Pakistan. Whats wrong with these people? 1 in 126 and 1 in 73 is a very daming stat.

Twitter is all rage on the coverup by British media and government.

Awful! Can’t be as bad as this stat:

One in every two children (in India) victim of sexual abuse, says survey​

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/one-in-every-two-children-victim-of-sexual-abuse-says-survey/story-spc4MsZTJsmjyrlTZJep7L_amp.html

Ever heard of the phrase “those in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones?”

 

[SpiritOf1903]

But but but useless people.

And within that 80% how many are Pakistani/Muslim?.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

Two of them men in that gang were Indian, including the ringleader Amer Singh Dhaliwal.

Ringleader of Huddersfield grooming gang Amere Singh Dhaliwal jailed for life as men handed 220 years

Ringleader Amere Singh Dhaliwal, 35, was jailed for life earlier this year and told he must serve a minimum of 18 years in prison by a judge who said: "Your treatment of these girls was inhuman."

www.yorkshirepost.co.uk

I have an inclination there's more of these ringleaders than ever come to light. Was brushed under the carpet
Like the Wolverhampton Pablo Escobar who was killed by one of his runners

 

[Bhaijaan]

Awful! Can’t be as bad as this stat:

One in every two children (in India) victim of sexual abuse, says survey​

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/one-in-every-two-children-victim-of-sexual-abuse-says-survey/story-spc4MsZTJsmjyrlTZJep7L_amp.html

Ever heard of the phrase “those in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones?”

As expected , throwing random stats about a country’s domestic matters.

The person that you mentioned is a Khalistani. Not a Bharatiya

 

[cricketjoshila]

As expected , throwing random stats about a country’s domestic matters.

The person that you mentioned is a Khalistani. Not a Bharatiya

The matter is now out in the open. No amount of whataboutery will defuse it.

 

[IndoorCricket]

Awful! Can’t be as bad as this stat:

One in every two children (in India) victim of sexual abuse, says survey​

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/one-in-every-two-children-victim-of-sexual-abuse-says-survey/story-spc4MsZTJsmjyrlTZJep7L_amp.html

Ever heard of the phrase “those in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones?”

Don't distract this thread. You can open another thread to discuss. You doing whataboutry shows u disrespect the victims.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

But but but useless people.

And within that 80% how many are Pakistani/Muslim?.

May be 80% to 90%

 

[Rajdeep]

So posters here are supporting child groomers also now after defending ISIS terrorists in other thread. Pakistan is a gift that keeps giving to the world.

Some of the statement from the victims are really shocking. They were beaten up for not covering their body till ankle, for being white, for eating pork, for eating with spoon and fork and not using hands . Disgusting animals.

However, the entire blame lies on the UK govt for being soft. You need an autocratic leader to deal with these gangs.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1875250016056701345

 

[Varun]

So posters here are supporting child groomers also now after defending ISIS terrorists in other thread. Pakistan is a gift that keeps giving to the world.

Don't have a go at most Pakistanis - they are fine enough people. Some of their immigrants to lax countries are a different story however. We have the same specimens: check out the riff raff that has found their way to Canada over the last few years.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

So posters here are supporting child groomers also now after defending ISIS terrorists in other thread. Pakistan is a gift that keeps giving to the world.

Some of the statement from the victims are really shocking. They were beaten up for not covering their body till ankle, for being white, for eating pork, for eating with spoon and fork and not using hands . Disgusting animals.

However, the entire blame lies on the UK govt for being soft. You need an autocratic leader to deal with these gangs.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1875250016056701345

They target vulnerable children in inadequate care. CPS and children's services at blame

 

[KingKhanWC]

The question should be put to @KingKhanWC who said in another thread that these kinda of rape incidents are likely due to a cultural issue.

Tiny, tiny number. In India rape, sexual abuse and assault of women is on a level never seen in any society or country on the planet.

The grooming gangs should be wiped out, they use drugs, alcohol, music etc, which is a British cultural issue.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Tiny, tiny number. In India rape, sexual abuse and assault of women is on a level never seen in any society or country on the planet.

The grooming gangs should be wiped out, they use drugs, alcohol, music etc, which is a British cultural issue.

Are you serious?

We are talking about raping underage school girls as young as 12 by giving them drugs by these Pakistani rape gangs and you are comparing it to rapes committed in India?

Just in 2023/24, 7,635 rapes were recorded by the Police by these Pakistani rape gangs on minor English girls and that too after it was well known around the world about what has been happening in UK. Who knows how many were unreported for the fear of their lives.

Its funny you are blaming it on drugs, alcohol and it is a British cultural issue. These are Pakistani origin men distributing drugs to White English girls and raping them. If it is British cultural issue, why are white brits, Brit Asians, Brit Indians, Brit Srilankans etc not involved in this?

There is something seriously wrong with the Brit Pakistani culture and it should be addressed. Not washing hands off of the issue by saying it is a British cultural thing.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Are you serious?

We are talking about raping underage school girls as young as 12 by giving them drugs by these Pakistani rape gangs and you are comparing it to rapes committed in India?

Just in 2023/24, 7,635 rapes were recorded by the Police by these Pakistani rape gangs on minor English girls and that too after it was well known around the world about what has been happening in UK. Who knows how many were unreported for the fear of their lives.

Its funny you are blaming it on drugs, alcohol and it is a British cultural issue. These are Pakistani origin men distributing drugs to White English girls and raping them. If it is British cultural issue, why are white brits, Brit Asians, Brit Indians, Brit Srilankans etc not involved in this?

There is something seriously wrong with the Brit Pakistani culture and it should be addressed. Not washing hands off of the issue by saying it is a British cultural thing.

There's a sick culture in all parts of society every where in the world. And alot of times There's deliberate miss information for ones own agenda.

Braverman’s claim about ethnicity of grooming gangs was false, regulator rules

Mail on Sunday issues correction over opinion piece by home secretary claiming ‘almost all’ child grooming gangs were British-Pakistani

www.theguardian.com

 

[Local.Dada]

Tiny, tiny number. In India rape, sexual abuse and assault of women is on a level never seen in any society or country on the planet.

The grooming gangs should be wiped out, they use drugs, alcohol, music etc, which is a British cultural issue.

You barely read up on news on UK so I am assuming you are basing this on the gruesome rape in Delhi and some other high profile disgusting incidents in India where media highlighted the issue, culprits were punished and justice was expedited.

By the same account British Pakistanis have a stigma of groomers. I am obviously sensible not to attach it to entire community but this is absolutely a Pakistan Muslim problem in Europe and Uk. I am sure such scum must be in every society, race and religion but as a group and collectively targeting with an agenda it definitely is Pak Muslims indulging in this Britain and Europe grooming cases. Fact. Again don’t justify racism but this is a Pakistan Brit pandemic.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Elon Musk is on war against Pakistanis being alleged to be the #1 sexual offender immigrant community across Europe. Pakistanis really facing massive worldwide condemnation and negative PR for this.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1875925416332157229

However our fellow posters here will just come here and say Hindutva brigade is on some agenda and then someone will cite some old news in Delhi or Kolkata which is entirely an internal matter of Bharat.

Elon Musk is not a Bharatiya or a Hindutva lieutenant. What is your counter for him?

The only reason this thread has been bumped by our Indian members is that Elon Musk has been dog whistling in the last week in an effort to get the white underclass onside, the same white underclass who he would replace in a heartbeat if he could get the same labour cheaper from the darker continent.

It's quite funny though, as Elon has been calling for the release of Tommy Robinson without perhaps realising that many of Tommy's old EDL buddies are convicted sex offenders with underage victims rife among them. I think Indian PP'ers really should do some homework if they are serious about tackling grooming culture.

 

[Varun]

Tiny, tiny number. In India rape, sexual abuse and assault of women is on a level never seen in any society or country on the planet.

The grooming gangs should be wiped out, they use drugs, alcohol, music etc, which is a British cultural issue.

Note that that I'm just picking on this one word: what on earth is wrong with music? A "British cultural issue"???

You should be deported back to Kandahar for this alone.

 

[Slim]

When will some UK Pakistanis and UK Muslims at large stop becoming a source of embarrassment for rest of us? I swear i got so triggered reading story of that 12 year old kid getting raped 4 times the same day by so called Muslims. My blood boiled reading the horror stories.

How toxic and ruined is the social fabric of Pakistanis and muslims in UK. You guys are becoming social pariahs. As if the cousin marriages werent enough, you started grooming gangs. How horrible and soulless?

With your terrible shariah dramas, burqas and grooming gangs. Shame on you lot. Literally cannot tell anyone im Pakistani because of you guys..

 

[Slim]

Elon Musk is on war against Pakistanis being alleged to be the #1 sexual offender immigrant community across Europe. Pakistanis really facing massive worldwide condemnation and negative PR for this.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1875925416332157229

However our fellow posters here will just come here and say Hindutva brigade is on some agenda and then someone will cite some old news in Delhi or Kolkata which is entirely an internal matter of Bharat.

Elon Musk is not a Bharatiya or a Hindutva lieutenant. What is your counter for him?

Elon has been trying really hard to shift the narrative since the H1B shotdown. He really is that evil. Altho what he is dog whistling about has truth to it, but his intentions are not pure. He clearly is a divisive, evil person and we have given this tool too much power through twitter.

 

[Slim]

Are you serious?

We are talking about raping underage school girls as young as 12 by giving them drugs by these Pakistani rape gangs and you are comparing it to rapes committed in India?

Just in 2023/24, 7,635 rapes were recorded by the Police by these Pakistani rape gangs on minor English girls and that too after it was well known around the world about what has been happening in UK. Who knows how many were unreported for the fear of their lives.

Its funny you are blaming it on drugs, alcohol and it is a British cultural issue. These are Pakistani origin men distributing drugs to White English girls and raping them. If it is British cultural issue, why are white brits, Brit Asians, Brit Indians, Brit Srilankans etc not involved in this?

There is something seriously wrong with the Brit Pakistani culture and it should be addressed. Not washing hands off of the issue by saying it is a British cultural thing.

Good points, @KingKhanWC disgraceful comments. If you have so many issues with “british culture” which is your own culture as you are a brit then you should move back to the Shariah land you desire so much.

Your parents were given a privilege to get british citizenship and you crap on the same people? How thankless and ungrateful you are. By going to countries which are accepting to everyone, you want to turn them into the third world hellholes your parents escaped from? Shameful comments

 

[Slim]

Look at them beauties. From pind, back to pind.

All wanted to be doctors, gynecologist specifically. Almost achieved their dreams.

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I really want to understand how the brain of these disgusting animals work?

 

[Bhaijaan]

When will some UK Pakistanis and UK Muslims at large stop becoming a source of embarrassment for rest of us? I swear i got so triggered reading story of that 12 year old kid getting raped 4 times the same day by so called Muslims. My blood boiled reading the horror stories.

How toxic and ruined is the social fabric of Pakistanis and muslims in UK. You guys are becoming social pariahs. As if the cousin marriages werent enough, you started grooming gangs. How horrible and soulless?

With your terrible shariah dramas, burqas and grooming gangs. Shame on you lot. Literally cannot tell anyone im Pakistani because of you guys..

Much respect to you for being one of the rare Pakistanis on this forum to come here and completely condemn such acts without indulging in any whataboutery. Majority of fellow Pakistanis in this forum can learn a lot from you.

 

[Slim]

Again, the question has to be asked, why aren't we asking the same questions about other nationalities or racial groups? Before we start getting the hysterical claims of denial or conspiracy theory, how about some genuine reflection on this question?

The paedo and snuff rings were certainly led by white communities in the early days, but I don't recall ever seeing them being racially profiled for it, and I can't imagine it would be well received if those headlines were printed in the tabloids. I don't think Priti or Suella would be front of the queue to suggest such perversion be linked to the white community either. I wonder why?

Cpt. Minorities always need to be extra careful as we are not native to the land. We are supposed to be the brightest and the sharpest who land in foreign countries who give us their nationality in return.

But if we start mimicking the behaviour of the bottom dwellers of the native society then dont expect them to be forgiving. You will be highlighted more because you will become a toxic nusiance thats being brought to your home and serving no advantage.

Same has been happening to Indians in Canada and America.

Its not racial profling, its the nature of the beast.

Why is there no strong self introspection on this? Why is there no strong activity from the UK Pakistani/Muslim community. This needs to be rooted out.

 

[Slim]

Much respect to you for being one of the rare Pakistanis on this forum to come here and completely condemn such acts without indulging in any whataboutery. Majority of fellow Pakistanis in this forum can learn a lot from you.

I disagree, Pakistanis anywhere would condemn this. This is not normal behaviour. I also know that the 80% stat is falsely made up using a small data size.

Majority of such crimes are still committed by White folks but there is a sizeable number of South Asians, and for my concern, Pakistanis who are engaging in such behaviour.

I ask them if they have no fear of God left in them? Or if they have become complete animals? Its disgusting. In a society that allows free will and free speech, you could go out and date other people. Yet you target kids. I would hang such people in public.

 

[IndoorCricket]

When will some UK Pakistanis and UK Muslims at large stop becoming a source of embarrassment for rest of us? I swear i got so triggered reading story of that 12 year old kid getting raped 4 times the same day by so called Muslims. My blood boiled reading the horror stories.

How toxic and ruined is the social fabric of Pakistanis and muslims in UK. You guys are becoming social pariahs. As if the cousin marriages werent enough, you started grooming gangs. How horrible and soulless?

With your terrible shariah dramas, burqas and grooming gangs. Shame on you lot. Literally cannot tell anyone im Pakistani because of you guys..

I read the transcript. Its so henious. Blood boiling stuff.

 

[Statpadder Inc]

Musk has been tweeting about this for days now, the richest man in the world saying what many people have been for years

 

[Statpadder Inc]

Tiny, tiny number. In India rape, sexual abuse and assault of women is on a level never seen in any society or country on the planet.

The grooming gangs should be wiped out, they use drugs, alcohol, music etc, which is a British cultural issue.

This has nothing to do with India. Stop blaming indians for the problems caused by Pakistani gangs in the Uk

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Cpt. Minorities always need to be extra careful as we are not native to the land. We are supposed to be the brightest and the sharpest who land in foreign countries who give us their nationality in return.

But if we start mimicking the behaviour of the bottom dwellers of the native society then dont expect them to be forgiving. You will be highlighted more because you will become a toxic nusiance thats being brought to your home and serving no advantage.

Same has been happening to Indians in Canada and America.

Its not racial profling, its the nature of the beast.

Why is there no strong self introspection on this? Why is there no strong activity from the UK Pakistani/Muslim community. This needs to be rooted out.

Actually I am native to this land. Neither do I mimick the behaviour of the bottom dwellers regardless of their colour or creed.

If you are suggesting I need to take responsibility for the criminals of Pakistani heritage, then that makes me a second class citizen. I have no interest in that, I find if I turn it around and ask white people why they don't take cultural responsibility for their paedos and perverts, they get quite offended.

That is not to say that these issues don't need to be addressed, cultural or religious reasons also need to be investigated. But the truth of the matter is, this issue has been reignited for the wrong reasons. Elon Musk has been whistling to dogs, and the dogs are barking.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Good points, @KingKhanWC disgraceful comments. If you have so many issues with “british culture” which is your own culture as you are a brit then you should move back to the Shariah land you desire so much.

Your parents were given a privilege to get british citizenship and you crap on the same people? How thankless and ungrateful you are. By going to countries which are accepting to everyone, you want to turn them into the third world hellholes your parents escaped from? Shameful comments

lol. Im pointing out the methods these sick groomers use. Even white brits have pointed this out. If you a British and brown it doesnt mean you no right to criticise or point out anything in the society, this is an uncle tom attitude of those who feel they dont belong here, I have no such insecurity. You are as much as a citizen as anyone else, dont worry about the colour of your skin.

Grooming happens by criminals from all communities, most sexual abuse of children is done by middle aged white men.

Jimmy Saville, Prince Andrew, the list goes on and on and on, its prevelant in this society.

However the vast majority of children are safe here, its those with broken families which are vunerable and drug/alcohol abuse is the main reason they get lured in. The parents are also at fault.

My point is this is still very rare in the UK ,unlike places such as India where sexual abuse of women esp younger ones is and has been a huge epidemic. Heck there are over 10 million children alone forced into prostitution in India, this is also grooming. We have to keep things in perspective and again DONT BE ASHAMED TO BE BROWN AND BRITISH AND BE ABLE TO CRITICISE, its your right or maybe best you go to where you are comfortable.

 

[Varun]

We have to keep things in perspective and again DONT BE ASHAMED TO BE BROWN AND BRITISH AND BE ABLE TO CRITICISE, its your right or maybe best you go to where you are comfortable.

Oye - if you think music should be banned and is a "British cultural issue" - the land that has given us The Beatles, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, Iron Maiden and Radiohead among others - you should be sent back to where you came from pronto

 

[KingKhanWC]

Oye - if you think music should be banned and is a "British cultural issue" - the land that has given us The Beatles, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, Iron Maiden and Radiohead among others - you should be sent back to where you came from pronto

Only in your imagination I think this lol. Hopefully one day you'll contribute something with sense on this forum.

 

[Bhaijaan]

I disagree, Pakistanis anywhere would condemn this. This is not normal behaviour. I also know that the 80% stat is falsely made up using a small data size.

Majority of such crimes are still committed by White folks but there is a sizeable number of South Asians, and for my concern, Pakistanis who are engaging in such behaviour.

I ask them if they have no fear of God left in them? Or if they have become complete animals? Its disgusting. In a society that allows free will and free speech, you could go out and date other people. Yet you target kids. I would hang such people in public.

When people see Pakistanis indulging in whataboutery and blindly defending people even in such sensitive topics just because they belong to their community, it reaffirms their strongest fears wrt Pakistanis and that only
gives rise to more Pakistanophobia in the world.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Cpt. Minorities always need to be extra careful as we are not native to the land. We are supposed to be the brightest and the sharpest who land in foreign countries who give us their nationality in return.

But if we start mimicking the behaviour of the bottom dwellers of the native society then dont expect them to be forgiving. You will be highlighted more because you will become a toxic nusiance thats being brought to your home and serving no advantage.

Same has been happening to Indians in Canada and America.

Its not racial profling, its the nature of the beast.

Why is there no strong self introspection on this? Why is there no strong activity from the UK Pakistani/Muslim community. This needs to be rooted out.

Every Pakistan here must read Slim bhai’s posts which are absolutely spot on.

 

[Varun]

Only in your imagination I think this lol. Hopefully one day you'll contribute something with sense on this forum.

Here's what you wrote:

The grooming gangs should be wiped out, they use drugs, alcohol, music etc, which is a British cultural issue.

Now you decide whether you wrote it when you were tipsy or not.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Oye - if you think music should be banned and is a "British cultural issue" - the land that has given us The Beatles, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, Iron Maiden and Radiohead among others - you should be sent back to where you came from pronto

Now you mention it, one of the most infamous cases of child abuse was by a British rock star, Gary Glitter. He was quite crafty though, he indulged his perversions in Asia where he would normally not attract much attention. He only got caught because his PC went in for repair and the technician found his stash of child abuse images.

 

[Varun]

Now you mention it, one of the most infamous cases of child abuse was by a British rock star, Gary Glitter. He was quite crafty though, he indulged his perversions in Asia where he would normally not attract much attention. He only got caught because his PC went in for repair and the technician found his stash of child abuse images.

Yeah, therefore music is shirk and haram and all that no?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Yeah, therefore music is shirk and haram and all that no?

What? Where did you get that from what I wrote?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Here's what you wrote:



Now you decide whether you wrote it when you were tipsy or not.

lol. English isnt your first language so I'll give you the benefit of doubt. I was pointing out what tools/methods they use, not that I think they are all haram(ie music).

Have you considered taking up a real hobby?

 

[gani999]

While most British Pakistanis are decent and have nothing to do with all this, one must admit that these child grooming incidents have given the community a very bad image. And no amount of whitewashing with words like 'Asian Gangs' is going to fool anyone.
The British Pakistani community, at least its leaders and influencers, should introspect.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

While most British Pakistanis are decent and have nothing to do with all this, one must admit that these child grooming incidents have given the community a very bad image. And no amount of whitewashing with words like 'Asian Gangs' is going to fool anyone.
The British Pakistani community, at least its leaders and influencers, should introspect.

Why? These cases are from years ago, all the introspection would have been done then.

 

[Rajdeep]

When will some UK Pakistanis and UK Muslims at large stop becoming a source of embarrassment for rest of us? I swear i got so triggered reading story of that 12 year old kid getting raped 4 times the same day by so called Muslims. My blood boiled reading the horror stories.

How toxic and ruined is the social fabric of Pakistanis and muslims in UK. You guys are becoming social pariahs. As if the cousin marriages werent enough, you started grooming gangs. How horrible and soulless?

With your terrible shariah dramas, burqas and grooming gangs. Shame on you lot. Literally cannot tell anyone im Pakistani because of you guys..

Much respect to you for this post bro. I have observed US Pakistanis are highly educated and liberal people unlike some we have in UK. So thank you for calling it out.

This doesn't mean I will come light at you during the Champions trophy though but respect where it deserves.

 

[topspin]

When will some UK Pakistanis and UK Muslims at large stop becoming a source of embarrassment for rest of us? I swear i got so triggered reading story of that 12 year old kid getting raped 4 times the same day by so called Muslims. My blood boiled reading the horror stories.

How toxic and ruined is the social fabric of Pakistanis and muslims in UK. You guys are becoming social pariahs. As if the cousin marriages werent enough, you started grooming gangs. How horrible and soulless?

With your terrible shariah dramas, burqas and grooming gangs. Shame on you lot. Literally cannot tell anyone im Pakistani because of you guys..

Even though there's obvious racism/xenophobia/Islamaphobia by the far right and Indians, who want to tar Pakistanis and other Muslims all with the same brush, it's refreshing to hear this from another Pakistani.

This is largely an issue within the Mirpuri community. The first step is for them to acknowledge this problem otherwise it'll never be addressed.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Blame for these heinous crimes lie with the then government in UK. When the first few cases surfaced rather than giving examplary punishment, they looked the other way.

This sent a message that if you're from xyz community you can escape punishment for heinous crimes because the government is afraid of being called racist.

What UK needs is a all-party decision to investigate and punish these guys. The government investigates and punishes the perpetrators without bias and the opposition must promise to not take political advantage of the issue.

 

[Varun]

lol. English isnt your first language so I'll give you the benefit of doubt. I was pointing out what tools/methods they use, not that I think they are all haram(ie music).

You know exactly what you meant, but are backtracking when your 6th century world view (if even that) was called out.

I said that the UK should deport you back to Kandahar, but even there I'm sure they have some tunes to let their hair down.

So basically you belong nowhere as of 2025 AD.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Blame for these heinous crimes lie with the then government in UK. When the first few cases surfaced rather than giving examplary punishment, they looked the other way.

This sent a message that if you're from xyz community you can escape punishment for heinous crimes because the government is afraid of being called racist.

What UK needs is a all-party decision to investigate and punish these guys. The government investigates and punishes the perpetrators without bias and the opposition must promise to not take political advantage of the issue.

I don't think it was the govt that was afraid of being called racist, it was the police who used that as an excuse when asked why they didn't follow up individual cases. In a lot of cases police didn't treat it seriously because they basically considered those girls as trash. From broken homes, parents who were probably drunk or stoned and didn't know where their kids were.

But I agree with you on this, if there was a crime committed then it should have been followed through and persecuted regardless of race or religion. The problem was these police, and perhaps the social services as well had basically washed their hands of these minors.

 

[Champ_Pal]

I feel many big wigs in the society along with law enforcement are involved in this rape racket. Grooming gangs cannot survive this long and continue for decades one end without political and law enforcement help.

Does UK has the decency and humanity left in them to come out clean with these rapes? Thousands of under age girls were raped and prostituted for several years and threatened of dire consequences if they report it to police or media. And they call themselves civilized and first world.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

I feel many big wigs in the society along with law enforcement are involved in this rape racket. Grooming gangs cannot survive this long and continue for decades one end without political and law enforcement help.

Does UK has the decency and humanity left in them to come out clean with these rapes? Thousands of under age girls were raped and prostituted for several years and threatened of dire consequences if they report it to police or media. And they call themselves civilized and first world.

Its a bigger issue than what your referring to.

We have high profiles in the establishment who have been caught red handed

These Grooming cases of a decade ago are the tip of the iceberg

 

[modern guitarist]

I don't understand why the UK's Pakistani community has so many more problems compared to US or here in Canada.

The horrific attacks in 2005, the massive amount of child cousin marriages, and the grooming gangs.

And thanks to Musk and co, the issue has now been highlighted in North America so those of us in North America will also be tarred with the same brush.

Thank you to this "wonderful" demographic in the UK.

 

[Vikram1989]

Thank you to this "wonderful" demographic in the UK.

U got us user name in align with music and one of the renowned posters have mentioned music as one of the cultural issues of UK and reasons for this crime.

 

[Varun]

U got us user name in align with music and one of the renowned posters have mentioned music as one of the cultural issues of UK and reasons for this crime.

Lol. Yesterday I was spitting fire even though I've never been to the UK. Today I'm just laughing at that country for letting jokers like him in.

 

[Vikram1989]

Lol. Yesterday I was spitting fire even though I've never been to the UK. Today I'm just laughing at that country for letting jokers like him in.

I really wonder what he is doing. Imagine him as a teacher or some role in next gen guiding .

 

[modern guitarist]

U got us user name in align with music and one of the renowned posters have mentioned music as one of the cultural issues of UK and reasons for this crime.

Comical.

I am angry at this primarily because i feel bad for the children who were abused.

But i am also angry because i, and many other in the Pakistani diaspora, who live in North America are going to be tarred with this brush even though we don't have any grooming gangs here in Canada.

Obviously what has happened in the UK has nothing to do with rock music or hip hop. It has to do with a highly sexually repressive culture being imported to a free society. Some men from the highly repressed culture decide to then abuse innocent children. Its evil and these men deserve life sentences.

What i truly don't understand is the family dynamic. I have cousins whom i am close to but i have never discussed any sexual matters with them. I have never had a single sex related discussion with my father. Its my mom who gave me the talk when i was a kid about birth etc.

I don't understand the conversation that these gangs were having where cousins were calling their cousins and planning on these heinous activities. I would be mortified in even mentioning the word sex around any of my family members. Yet here we had cousins actively plan and collaborate with each other on this. Good lord.

I am sure i will get attacked but i am not Indian. I am unfortunately Pakistani and since i have spent most of my life abroad, i have always had to deal with the shame of the activities of the Pakistani "community".

 

[Vikram1989]

Comical.

I am angry at this primarily because i feel bad for the children who were abused.

But i am also angry because i, and many other in the Pakistani diaspora, who live in North America are going to be tarred with this brush even though we don't have any grooming gangs here in Canada.

I live in Australia. Not only in us Pakistan people enjoy positive vibe here too.i agree there is a bad blood between Indians and pak as anywhere and it spills during cricket matches. Apart from that i never heard any mis conduct by pak diaspora here.occasionaly I heard about Lebanese , Egyptian etc.it seems uk and Europe mostly got the first class crap imported from all of the countries especially sorry to say muslims.I see even sweden, Norway, Germany stats shows top 3 offenders are Algerians,Afghanistan and pak origin.

 

[modern guitarist]

I live in Australia. Not only in us Pakistan people enjoy positive vibe here too.i agree there is a bad blood between Indians and pak as anywhere and it spills during cricket matches. Apart from that i never heard any mis conduct by pak diaspora here.occasionaly I heard about Lebanese , Egyptian etc.it seems uk and Europe mostly got the first class crap imported from all of the countries especially sorry to say muslims.I see even sweden, Norway, Germany stats shows top 3 offenders are Algerians,Afghanistan and pak origin.

Yes. I have a cousin who lives in Aus and has done so for over a decade. Its terrible that these ones who went to Europe are not only causing so much trouble in their new countries but also ruining our reputation globally.