Lol at the Indians taking the moral high ground. Indians have the worst reputation when it comes to harassment and rape. Child abuse happens in India more than any country in the world yet I have never seen Indians acknowledge it because “Proud to be Indian” Indians living abroad don’t really see it as they tend to hang around their own kind but literally no one thinks India is a safe place for women or children. The stories of abuse that come out of India on a daily basis are horrific yet we have resident Indians here saying Indian Hindu don’t defend rape. Unbelievable!
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And you think Muslims defend rapists? Can you please point out where?
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According to Zakir Naik, who is a national hero in Pakistan and was given state welcome by your military dictatorship, a rapist can be forgiven if he asks for forgiveness from Allah. This actually goes a step beyond defending rape but sets a precedent for raping women left, right and centre knowing you are forgiven for it if you are a Muslim.
Also as per various Islamic preacher, a man can force sex on his wife and the wife is obligated to comply paving way for justification if marital rape within Islamic law.
So you're going to quote Mullahs to make a point? Zakir Naik is a businessman not some role model for Muslims to follow. Please tell me how many ordinary Muslims you meet in your day to day life or interact with online you see defending child molesters and rapists? Sexual abuse happens in Pakistan too but it's more low key compared to India where it happens in broad daylight and makes international news
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Mullah?
He has been Pakistan’s state guest!
You gave him red carpet welcome escorted by military convoy everywhere he went in Pakistan.
Really? Pakistani State = Common Public? You are stupid even by Indian standards.
By the same logic, modi has been welcomed in many countries. Are the citizens of those countries terrorists now?
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The social competition for British Pakistanis should be British Indians, not Indians living back in India.
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Stay on topic instead of bringing PAKISTAN in this thread
I'm sure British Pakistanis have a lot of issues as evident from the multiple threads that are created again and again to highlight them. There are problems in every community and unfortunately for the British Pakistani community, they get a bad name because of the actions of a few. Just like the Punjabi sikhs in Canada who are stereotyped as gangsters and criminals even though the vast majority of them are decent hardworking people. When a minority group is in the headlines for committing crimes it gives way to racial prejudices and negative stereotypes. I don't get the sense of Indians getting all giddy when the news is about a Muslim minority group. The world does not differentiate between a brown hindu and a brown muslim
There are many prominent people that have come from the British Pakistani community. Why are some people hellbent on focusing on the negatives and malign an entire group of people. I feel this is some kind of an outlet for Indians who are often targeted on social media to take it out on Pakistani muslims who they deeply hate.
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I wonder what all the ordinary/sensible Indians on this forum think when they read tripe like this.
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As I mentioned earlier...
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OK. Paradigm shift now. Let's hear of the positives.
In real life terms why would it be OK to allow your sister/daughter -- any woman you care for deeply -- to marry pakistani man with a british passport?
Let's keep it empirical based.
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Avoid any religious debates here.
Avoid any religious debates here.
It’s such a shame that Brits can’t protect their own kids from sexual predators. It took a foreigner Muslim to point out the obvious atrocities that has happened to thousands of little girls and under successive UK governments.
Where are the human rights, female freedom and protection that these woke Brits constantly champion about while criticizing poor 3rd world nations?
It’s not a sexual violation here and there. It’s thousands of little girls over several decades. That means there are generations of these predators still roaming free on the streets.
Where are the human rights, female freedom and protection that these woke Brits constantly champion about while criticizing poor 3rd world nations?
It’s not a sexual violation here and there. It’s thousands of little girls over several decades. That means there are generations of these predators still roaming free on the streets.
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Latest “grooming gang” has just been convicted , perpetrators are Romanian Christians
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A Romanian grooming gang has been convicted of raping and sexually abusing 10 women in flats across Dundee.
The four men and one woman also plied their victims - aged between 16 and 30 - with drugs at various properties between 2021 and 2022.
Marian Cumpanasoiu, 37, Remus Stan, 34, Cristian Urlateanu, 41, Cataline Dobre, 44, and Alexandra Bugonea, 34, were convicted of 30 charges at the High Court in Glasgow.
The abuse was uncovered following a police operation focusing on the trafficking of women from eastern Europe forced to work as prostitutes in Dundee.
Intelligence revealed vulnerable local women were also being groomed, with many given gifts and drugs including crack cocaine.
The women were forced to have sex with the gang, and encouraged to recruit friends to come to the properties with the promise of drugs.
Judge Lord Scott told the group: "This was an appalling catalogue of rape, serial sexual abuse and exploitation of extremely vulnerable, mostly, young women."
One of the victims was forced into prostitution after Cumpanasoiu and Stan set up a profile on a website for her and drove her to meet men to have sex with.
Police Scotland detectives were able to gain their trust and build confidence for them to speak.
DI Scott Carswell, who led the investigation, told BBC Scotland News: "I think if we hadn't uncovered this, the impact would have been immeasurable.
"I do think that there would have been more victims further down the line, and I think it would have continued.
"I think they would have moved their victims into prostitution."
Jurors in the six-week trial heard harrowing testimony about how the gang preyed on the women – most already troubled by personal issues.
Ringleader Cumpanasoiu was described as a "winking, smirking pimp" who behaved with a "predatory nature" towards women.
One of the charges he was convicted of was under the Human Trafficking Act, by forcing a woman into prostitution.
Prosecutor Lisa Gillespie KC said this victim had been sold a "pipe dream" of how she could make "lots of money" from selling her body.
But at one stage, Cumpanasoiu was said to be raging at her for not earning enough.
He was described by another victim as "absolutely relentless" and another was left feeling "disgusted" by him.
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A Romanian grooming gang has been convicted of raping and sexually abusing 10 women in flats across Dundee.
The four men and one woman also plied their victims - aged between 16 and 30 - with drugs at various properties between 2021 and 2022.
Marian Cumpanasoiu, 37, Remus Stan, 34, Cristian Urlateanu, 41, Cataline Dobre, 44, and Alexandra Bugonea, 34, were convicted of 30 charges at the High Court in Glasgow.
The abuse was uncovered following a police operation focusing on the trafficking of women from eastern Europe forced to work as prostitutes in Dundee.
Intelligence revealed vulnerable local women were also being groomed, with many given gifts and drugs including crack cocaine.
The women were forced to have sex with the gang, and encouraged to recruit friends to come to the properties with the promise of drugs.
Judge Lord Scott told the group: "This was an appalling catalogue of rape, serial sexual abuse and exploitation of extremely vulnerable, mostly, young women."
One of the victims was forced into prostitution after Cumpanasoiu and Stan set up a profile on a website for her and drove her to meet men to have sex with.
Police Scotland detectives were able to gain their trust and build confidence for them to speak.
DI Scott Carswell, who led the investigation, told BBC Scotland News: "I think if we hadn't uncovered this, the impact would have been immeasurable.
"I do think that there would have been more victims further down the line, and I think it would have continued.
"I think they would have moved their victims into prostitution."
Jurors in the six-week trial heard harrowing testimony about how the gang preyed on the women – most already troubled by personal issues.
Ringleader Cumpanasoiu was described as a "winking, smirking pimp" who behaved with a "predatory nature" towards women.
One of the charges he was convicted of was under the Human Trafficking Act, by forcing a woman into prostitution.
Prosecutor Lisa Gillespie KC said this victim had been sold a "pipe dream" of how she could make "lots of money" from selling her body.
But at one stage, Cumpanasoiu was said to be raging at her for not earning enough.
He was described by another victim as "absolutely relentless" and another was left feeling "disgusted" by him.
Grooming gang convicted of raping women in Dundee
The four men and a woman plied their victims - aged between 16 and 30 - with drugs before sexually assaulting them.
www.bbc.co.uk
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He's replying to an Indian poster there, seems like he had to be directed towards singling out Pakistanis, and his reply confirms it. Musk is basically targeting all of Europe's xenophic element, and for good reason. It's one of the biggest demographics out there along with India.
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It’s such a shame that Brits can’t protect their own kids from sexual predators. It took a foreigner Muslim to point out the obvious atrocities that has happened to thousands of little girls and under successive UK governments.
Where are the human rights, female freedom and protection that these woke Brits constantly champion about while criticizing poor 3rd world nations?
It’s not a sexual violation here and there. It’s thousands of little girls over several decades. That means there are generations of these predators still roaming free on the streets.
If Britain is so bad for human rights and female freedom, why do so many from "poor 3rd world nations" still come flooding here at the first opportunity they get?
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Go on, answer the question too.
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Yep no problem but I'll wait my turn.
Its not the kids of immigrants that are being sexually abused. Its the natives.
Perhaps the native Brits have to run to other countries to keep their daughters safe..
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The native Brits did run to other countries all over the globe, those countries are now called America, Canada and Australia. As you know they had great respect for the native culture in those lands. Just like they have great respect for native kids abroad when they go to Asia for sex tourism.
So you are saying since Brits conquered the world a couple of centuries ago and their men go to sex tourism in Asia, its okay for Brit Paks to sexually abuse Little Brit girls.
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So you are saying since Brits conquered the world a couple of centuries ago and their men go to sex tourism in Asia, its okay for Brit Paks to sexually abuse Little Brit girls.
No, that's what you just said and you added a Pak salute to make it seem even more legit.
All I am doing is gently encouraging you to see things from a wider perspective.
Your wider perspective blows.
Sex tourism which involves minors is pedophilia.
The grooming gangs are a ring happening in UK since 1970’s. Thousands of girls abused and scarred for life. But I guess it’s okay in your eyes since Brit’s were bad to the world a couple of centuries ago.
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We have posters from India living in India telling us how big of a problem this will cause for the British Pakistanis.
We live here, the educated white population know it's Musk engagement farming, trying to interfere in another election. About 95% of the educated white people here actually think of Musk as a clown as well as the Reform lot. Look at their reactions with the news of Musk potentially buying Liverpool.
Once again, it's all social media stuff which has been debunked years ago AND has already been investigated. Posting from India telling us it's a huge problem won't make it into one.
We live here, the educated white population know it's Musk engagement farming, trying to interfere in another election. About 95% of the educated white people here actually think of Musk as a clown as well as the Reform lot. Look at their reactions with the news of Musk potentially buying Liverpool.
Once again, it's all social media stuff which has been debunked years ago AND has already been investigated. Posting from India telling us it's a huge problem won't make it into one.
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I am sorry but this is absurd. The Islamic invaders did not introduce rape to India. This is just ridiculous.
I have harshly criticized these grooming gangs but to blame Islam or Muslim invasion for the problems in India is just denialism and obfuscation. There is zero evidence that rape was less common in India pre Islamic invasion than post.
Let's just condemn rapists rather than excuse or try to falsely claim that someone else "introduced" this into your society.
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Tiny problem ?
The average brit-pak is 21 times more likely to be involved in group-based child sexual exploitation than white men.
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Your wider perspective blows.
Sex tourism which involves minors is pedophilia.
The grooming gangs are a ring happening in UK since 1970’s. Thousands of girls abused and scarred for life. But I guess it’s okay in your eyes since Brit’s were bad to the world a couple of centuries ago.
No you are missing the point. Grooming gangs or paedo rings or whatever are all evil and we should demand justice because we want criminals apprehended and punished, not because we want to score racial points. Or is there some reason you think white paedo rings should be excluded from racial profiling?
The topic is on UK grooming gangs and the abuse young Brit girls went through for decades.
If you want to discuss White pedo rings, open a separate thread.
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White paedo rings aren't in the news as a racial profile. Why would I want to discuss it?
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Tiny problem ?
The average brit-pak is 21 times more likely to be involved in group-based child sexual exploitation than white men.
Where did you get those figures?
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From a couple of articles and videos i've been looking at. They were referencing Home Office reports.
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White men have a far bigger problem with abusing children, they have used Thai, Phillipino and kids in Laos. This has been going on for decades. These arent just sex abusers, they seek out prepubescent children.
This isn't to excuse the behaviour of these ugly ppl from my community, they have abused vulnerable girls from broken homes, foster care etc. I would support long prison sentences and if new evidence is found cases, more trials and humiliation for these ugly mutts
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Are there no social positives for a pakistani man with a british passport?
Surely they must have a footprint of scientists, doctors, lawyers, bankers etc in their demographic.
Perhaps even healthier bodies. The neck-up aesthetics on those mugshots aren't homely, suffice to say.
Not sure what you're trying to ask here. I don't have a daughter and if I did, I would expect her to make choices right for her. People don't enslave daughters in civilized societies and make decisions for them when they are adult.
If you are implying there are no scientists, doctors, lawyers and bankers among the British Asian demographics then I don't know what to respond to that.
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So no societal benefit then.
No thanks. As a father, I prefer to keep my family safe.
No thanks. As a father, I prefer to keep my family safe.
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Exactly.
It makes me laugh when they act like India is some first world country.
Just a few months ago, a Brazilian woman was raped in India by 7 Indian men --> https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-68444993.
Rape is a common occurrence in India. Seems to be part of Indian culture
You are missing the point, perhaps deliberately or simply being ignorant. India surely has issues with women securitiy, like there are issues with women freedom in Afghanistan or Pakistan. But Indians are not going to a country 4500 miles away, luring underage and vulnerable girls, raping them non stop as some sort of racial/religious punishment. It is not one or two people involved, but the entire community men of those culprits have taken their chances one after another. That is why it is called grooming gang.
The entire premise of this thread is to somehow blame Elon Musk as why has he resurfaced this issue. Then play some whataboutery games blaming India, Hindus, white supremacy and everyone else except these culprits themselves. It is very shocking and disturbing to read some posts in this thread.
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Stop engaging in whataboutery and deflection. Acknowledge the cancer spots in asian community.
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Really. Can you read? If you can, well, read the paragraph below.
"This isn't to excuse the behaviour of these ugly ppl from asian community, they have abused vulnerable girls from broken homes, foster care etc. I would support long prison sentences and if new evidence is found cases, more trials and humiliation for these ugly mutts"
But those of you inds that worship the white man and his totally sinless complexion- why have white men been abusing kids in SE Asia including Sl, Thai, Cambodia etc. Are those not children. Recently in the Midlands we had a white pedo gang that raped babies.
Stop pretending that this is a new topic and their isn't an agenda against the Labour govt and Muslims. Musks friends were quoted in the Times as saying that he wants to overthrow throw the Labour govt and is looking at any way possible.
And Who does he champion- Yaxley Lennon, the leader of the English and Israeli defense League( the original name), a football hooligan that had more convicted pedos in his organisation than any other public organisation.
You Inds love anti Muslim bandwagons but if you so interested in womens and childrens welfare, surely you need Stop the rapes in India
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Where is this racial/ religious punishment come from. These are pathetic losers that pay for sex with underage girls, hence the term grooming. This isn't the rape that happens in Ind where you rape and also kill them.
I wouldht be surprised that you think it's some sort love Jihad that you guys go on about in India.
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Newsflash: Indians who live in India don't "worship the white man and his totally sinless complexion". We'll leave that to you who will worship them enough to fund the bombings of your brothers and sisters around the world through your taxes.
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Are you sure. Look at the light skin actors, looking at your courts and look at your media. All in Gora English. You guys, for all your pretense worship the Chitti chambri( sorry for the spelling).
Would the Ind media take such an interest if these were black girls in SA? You guys worship the White guys.
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None of which permit the actions of these BritPak groomers.
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Agreed and unforgivable. But for a country that has such a problem with rape,why is this of such interest. We have one of the best Criminal Justice systems in the World and most of the culprits have been dealt with.
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Don't get carried away by the sample set. I doubt even 0.1% of Indians in India know about this, which is a fair estimate.
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You are talking non-sense. Movies are not only bollywood. South Indian actors are darker in color and they are dominating Indian Cinema. Our president is from a Sc/ST not your typical Indian gora. Even our Gods are kala!!!
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And your legal system or the media?
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What bakwaas.
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I mean whatever is the reason, the blame is on the victims. Reflects few of our posters attitutde towards the issue
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What legal system are you taling about? Share some examples of white worshipping in our legal system. Our media is crooked and no one pays a cent on what media thinks.
As I said India has 1.6 Billion people. Your exposure is only from fwe norhtern states. India is much bigger than what you are exposed too.
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One can draw parallels to Terrorism too. Not all muslims are terrorists but most terrorists are muslims.
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Sorry you'll need to do better than that. If you are going to reference statistics then "a couple of articles and videos i've been looking at" won't hold up. Link the reports so we can judge for ourselves.
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What were you expecting from mugshots of criminal perverts? Photos of doctors lawyers or bankers?
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It's amoral cultural Muslims not knowing their identity preying on vulnerable children from care often with serious development issues.
Facts are British Pakistanis (Mirpuris whatever denomination you want to use) are at the bottom of the charts in demographics and there is a superiority complex against whites.
Whether this is PTSD from racism or not, these crimes are simply unforgivable.
Until the Pakistani and Muslim communities take a stand, this is being condoned.
Facts are British Pakistanis (Mirpuris whatever denomination you want to use) are at the bottom of the charts in demographics and there is a superiority complex against whites.
Whether this is PTSD from racism or not, these crimes are simply unforgivable.
Until the Pakistani and Muslim communities take a stand, this is being condoned.
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Difficult to tell from these boards to be honest. You do wonder why they pipe up asking about British Pakistan groomers along with Tommy Robinson but stay quiet about the white sex tourists of Asia where birth certificates are not required.
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Its now called Bhartiya nyay vyavastha and how it is white whorshipping? More people practise yoga in western world than in India? Is that brown whorshipping? Have some common sense dude, even Paksitan uses the same lingo franca from colonnial era.
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Either way, they aren't part of the problem or the solution so I suggest not losing too much hair over this particular sliver of the audience.
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Why dont u just believe me ? I'm usually dont like to make stuff up. I must have read about dozens of articles and videos on this subject, don't know which one had this stat.
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Because that's quite a damning stat and it seems to conflict with stats published on here just yesterday.
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I think cretins like this and their misleading preaching is partly responsible
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If you didn't want such interest in this topic, you shouldn't have started this thread.
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If it's solutions you are after, do you have any suggestions which you feel have been missed in the 15 years since these cases came to light? If you have put any forward maybe I missed them.
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You didnt answer my question. Pakistan uses same lingo franco and Yoga is practised more in western world more than India. You couldn't get a pic of Indian judge with fake hair and had to resort to a white judge. The dress code is a relic of colonnial era. You are not answering my question how having a dress code implies white whorshpping? Pants and shirts are also not part of most cultures but they are defacto. Heck even internet is invention of white men. We are all worshipping whiteman
You can be stuck in local mindset when the world is globalised and connected.
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I started the thread a few years ago, it's been bumped since. I don't know why I started the thread back then, but probably because someone like Musk had decided to make political capital out of it. I don't mind discussing it, but I am always interested in whether it is being discussed with some end in mind, and what that might be.
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Like I said, I'm not part of the problem or the solution.
It's up to you to condemn the individuals involved in these crimes and work toward solutions.
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I know we have to pretend that we don't know the answer but we do now.
Desi families don't allow daughters to go out at night and hence they don't meet them at night. I am sure that these guys have no scruples and quite happily abuse desi girls if they had the chance.
You guys want to bring Islam into the immorality of these criminals. But these guys have sex outside marriage, they drink and ply others with alcohol. They take drugs and provide free drugs to others.
Maybe you can enlighten me as to what type of Islam this is if you are saying its a Muslim thing
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Where did she blame the victims in that tweet, and where has anyone blamed the victims in this thread? What a weird post
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Just an example. To prove the bigger point that you guys love to feel that you are part of the West. You ape everything they do and that's why you ignored a far bigger problem of rape in India and joined in with a political campaign in the West. I am sure the UK has a far better child protection laws than Ind where it seems rape is a far bigger problem
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From @Bewal Express
It does impy non-desi girls go out at night and they end in this tragedy. This is classic victim blamming.
This also aligns with Islamists narrative on covering their women. Nothign surprising.
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The victims aren't girls who go out at night, these girls are usually from broken homes where the parents themselves are drug abusers or alcoholics. There are plenty of Indian girls who go out at night, they don't end up being groomed because they are not part of that demographic.
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Yes they do. It's part of the culture for many families. For example they would set a time limit for 12.
Desi families have palpitations if their daughters go out in the afternoon and they don't know where they are.
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These criminals took advantage of their circumstances and poor economic situation.
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No it doesn’t. He’s describing why White girls are statistically more likely to be victims. That isn’t the same right as “blaming them” for it.
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