[AUDIO/VIDEO] Sarfaraz Ahmed's derogatory comments to Andile Phehlukwayo...

[Major]

What a fool.

In an interview this guy was still laughing about the event and still doesnt understand how his words were derogatory. He is infact blaming pcb for his ban.....
This racist cricketer still sees the funny side of his racist remark

 

[Champ_Pal]

What a fool.

In an interview this guy was still laughing about the event and still doesnt understand how his words were derogatory. He is infact blaming pcb for his ban.....
This racist cricketer still sees the funny side of his racist remark

Many from rural areas of subcontinent still talk like this. They do not find it racist as they are not exposed to international sensitivities.
Sarfraz is a well traveled man. He should have been aware of the racism issues in the west. Very poor from him.

 

[GLORY OF '92]

Black man is not a racist term. Too many woke softies taking offence at everything.

 

[MenInG]

Black man is not a racist term. Too many woke softies taking offence at everything.

It's how you say it.

 

[Major]

Many from rural areas of subcontinent still talk like this. They do not find it racist as they are not exposed to international sensitivities.
Sarfraz is a well traveled man. He should have been aware of the racism issues in the west. Very poor from him.

Does not justify it.

It is racist, as they are judging the person by their skin color.

 

[Major]

Black man is not a racist term. Too many woke softies taking offence at everything.

So would you go up to a black person and say *******?

 

[zarak]

So would you go up to a black person and say *******?

Just playing devil's advocate here so don't want to upset anyone's sentiments. But I feel that black men refer to themselves as black men. So calling someone a black man is not inherently racist as there is nothing wrong with being black. If calling someone Kala is racist then calling someone Gora should be too. Yet one is okay the other is not. Using the N word is completely different.

 

[MenInG]

So would you go up to a black person and say *******?

The N word is derogatory

 

[Nado_]

Too many people here failing to understand culture and context. Not supporting or endorsing what he said , but to label the man racist is just over the top.

 

[Nado_]

So would you go up to a black person and say *******?

What a ridiculous counter question

 

[MenInG]

What a fool.

In an interview this guy was still laughing about the event and still doesnt understand how his words were derogatory. He is infact blaming pcb for his ban.....
This racist cricketer still sees the funny side of his racist remark

Here is the video clip

The interviewer tried to make light of it, like some lads thing in Karachiwallas.

Sarfaraz explained the incident including how the ICC ban came into play due to a mistake by PCB's media guys who tweeted pics of a meeting between players which they had been told not to tweet, and also tried to explain that it was a kind of thing players say on the field to each other when talking about someone's good luck.

Watch the clip and make your own judgement.

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[ElRaja]

anyone whos seen local pak cricket games know people are called names like "chitta, kala, kalia, etc", in Pakistan that goes, but referring to people by their skin colour (if they are not the same colour as you) is not accepted in most western social norms.

sarfraz may not have any maliciousness behind the comment, but for someone that ignorant to become captain of Pakistan's cricket team is a sad indictment of how unworldly these guys are.

 

[GLORY OF '92]

anyone whos seen local pak cricket games know people are called names like "chitta, kala, kalia, etc", in Pakistan that goes, but referring to people by their skin colour (if they are not the same colour as you) is not accepted in most western social norms.

sarfraz may not have any maliciousness behind the comment, but for someone that ignorant to become captain of Pakistan's cricket team is a sad indictment of how unworldly these guys are.

You need to watch "Exterminate all the beasts."

The West has no moral authority to dictate what's right or wrong.

 

[zarak]

anyone whos seen local pak cricket games know people are called names like "chitta, kala, kalia, etc", in Pakistan that goes, but referring to people by their skin colour (if they are not the same colour as you) is not accepted in most western social norms.

sarfraz may not have any maliciousness behind the comment, but for someone that ignorant to become captain of Pakistan's cricket team is a sad indictment of how unworldly these guys are.

You can easily something like "he is the black guy sitting in the corner." to point out or identify someone.

Black people refer to themselves as black. The N word is offensive, black is not. Similarly, people say brown all the time, brown man or brown food, or brown families to refer to South Asians or Mexicans.

 

[The_KING]

Here is the video clip

The interviewer tried to make light of it, like some lads thing in Karachiwallas.

Sarfaraz explained the incident including how the ICC ban came into play due to a mistake by PCB's media guys who tweeted pics of a meeting between players which they had been told not to tweet, and also tried to explain that it was a kind of thing players say on the field to each other when talking about someone's good luck.

Watch the clip and make your own judgement.

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Nadir Ali needs to stick to do comedy videos. He has started doing interviews lately and his style of asking questions is very unprofessional.

Also, Sarfraz seems to have no remorse about the whole incident which shows his lack of awareness.

 

[SalimBhai]

Sarfaraz might not be a racist , but he traveled enough to know these issues. Very poor from him

 

[light]

Sarfaraz might not be a racist , but he traveled enough to know these issues. Very poor from him

Might not be racist because these sort of things are quite common in the subcontinent. Remember Darren Sami and his time in IPL where they called him "kala" something? When he found out, he wanted an apology.

Point is, for a person to be a captain and to make this mistake is one thing. But to learn nothing out of it, it's nothing but idiotic, and perhaps he is a racist if he doesn't see the problem with this.

 

[Major]

Here is the video clip

The interviewer tried to make light of it, like some lads thing in Karachiwallas.

Sarfaraz explained the incident including how the ICC ban came into play due to a mistake by PCB's media guys who tweeted pics of a meeting between players which they had been told not to tweet, and also tried to explain that it was a kind of thing players say on the field to each other when talking about someone's good luck.

Watch the clip and make your own judgement.

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Sarfraz is laughing and is soo casual about it and is blaming pcb....

Atleast show soem remorse.

The guy is a racists hands down.

 

[MenInG]

Sarfraz is laughing and is soo casual about it and is blaming pcb....

Atleast show soem remorse.

The guy is a racists hands down.

Would you say then that Pakistan as a nation is racist?

Because from school days in Karachi to today, I see terms referring to people's physical attributes (including mota, kala etc) used in everyday language.

 

[Major]

Whats funny is how people are justifying racism that oh its nothing, its alright to refer people by their skin color. No its not.

In subcontinent we use kala as derogatory term.... There is no justification for it .

By the same stupid logic, USA of the early years used to use the n word as a way of refering to black people. To them it was another name. But it was yet offensive.

And for the pakistanis living in west and thinking that this is a western issues, no its not.

Racism is a global issue. But i think communities only care about themselves and not others.

 

[Major]

Would you say then that Pakistan as a nation is racist?

Because from school days in Karachi to today, I see terms referring to people's physical attributes (including mota, kala etc) used in everyday language.

Pakistan as a nation is racist and also discriminated.. thing is no one talks about it.

We call christians as choora (garbage picker), we dont eat food from their hands. We have people who think all christians are garbage pickers....

The term kala is used as an insult. The whole whitning cream campaign in the subcontinent is offensive as we have made being darked skin as ugliness.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I don't think Sarfraz initial comment was racist. It was ignorant but not racist.

However his subsequent lack of remorse and down playing of the incident is poor.

It shows that even after education and awareness that some people will always be ignorant.

 

[topspin]

Sarfraz called Andile a "kala" in a derogatory way so it certainly was racist. This shouldn't even be up for debate.

 

[ElRaja]

You need to watch "Exterminate all the beasts."

The West has no moral authority to dictate what's right or wrong.

sure bro, u show the west ur moral superiority by referring to black people like that. im sure its gonna bring revolutionary change, lol.

You can easily something like "he is the black guy sitting in the corner." to point out or identify someone.

Black people refer to themselves as black. The N word is offensive, black is not. Similarly, people say brown all the time, brown man or brown food, or brown families to refer to South Asians or Mexicans.

no you dont, its not considered professional to do so.

 

[KyoOne]

Pakistan as a nation is racist and also discriminated.. thing is no one talks about it.

We call christians as choora (garbage picker), we dont eat food from their hands. We have people who think all christians are garbage pickers....

The term kala is used as an insult. The whole whitning cream campaign in the subcontinent is offensive as we have made being darked skin as ugliness.

Dont cook up things. I've never heard anyone insult Christians as a "choora" or not eat their cooked food. Majority of janitorial class in some cities of Punjab is Christian, but there is significant number of them who are cooks and in other professions, and everyone eats their cooked stuff. Again, no one thinks all garbage pickers are Christians (they are actually Pathans in most urban places), yes a significant number of janitorial staff are Christains, which is because the missionaries of pre-Independence specifically targeted certain communities for conversion into Christianity.

Plus, kala is not always used as an insult. In most conversations you just refer to unique attributes of a person just as a reference point. Gora/kala/lamba/mota/patla/ghungralai balon wala/ganja/etc these are just part of our everyday conversations without any ill-intent from any party. There is even an old song "Sanwli saloni" celebrating dark features of a lady. Western teams are often referred to as Gorai even by ex-cricketers. West Indies are often called "Kali andhi" in news etc, not at all in an insulting manner.

We need to learn to appreciate a difference between racism and conversations which are purely rhetorical with no ill-intent.

 

[Energy]

Dont cook up things. I've never heard anyone insult Christians as a "choora" or not eat their cooked food. Majority of janitorial class in some cities of Punjab is Christian, but there is significant number of them who are cooks and in other professions, and everyone eats their cooked stuff. Again, no one thinks all garbage pickers are Christians (they are actually Pathans in most urban places), yes a significant number of janitorial staff are Christains, which is because the missionaries of pre-Independence specifically targeted certain communities for conversion into Christianity.

Plus, kala is not always used as an insult. In most conversations you just refer to unique attributes of a person just as a reference point. Gora/kala/lamba/mota/patla/ghungralai balon wala/ganja/etc these are just part of our everyday conversations without any ill-intent from any party. There is even an old song "Sanwli saloni" celebrating dark features of a lady. Western teams are often referred to as Gorai even by ex-cricketers. West Indies are often called "Kali andhi" in news etc, not at all in an insulting manner.

We need to learn to appreciate a difference between racism and conversations which are purely rhetorical with no ill-intent.

Christians are referred to as chooras. It's true. Karachiites are referred to as bhaiyay. Sialkoti's are referred to with a derogatory tone as well which I don't want to say here. Using the word kulloo is very common for dark skinned people.

Pakistanis are casual racists, we don't realise it because most times it is unharmful.

 

[Zaz]

Here is the video clip

The interviewer tried to make light of it, like some lads thing in Karachiwallas.

Sarfaraz explained the incident including how the ICC ban came into play due to a mistake by PCB's media guys who tweeted pics of a meeting between players which they had been told not to tweet, and also tried to explain that it was a kind of thing players say on the field to each other when talking about someone's good luck.

Watch the clip and make your own judgement.

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Thats all fine But its the world "Black" he used thats the issue Not the rest

 

[TheSultan]

It’s simple - if you don’t like Sarfraz you’ll find something racist in it.

It was a simple comment - maybe I’ll judged but it was an opportunity for some of our supporters to show anger at Sarfraz because of their inferiority complex

 

[iPakistani]

Calling someone by the colour of their skin is always wrong, regardless of whether it's normal in Pakistan culture or not. It's wrong.

Sarfraz was wrong and embarrasing, thank God he was removed from captaincy.

 

[Saj]

I don't think Sarfaraz is the type of guy to racially abuse anyone intentionally.

Maybe he didn't think through what he was saying, but what he did say was uncomfortable and unecessary.

 

[MenInG]

And he has now become ambassador of Nelson Mandela talent hunt program

Pakistan's former Test captain Sarfaraz Ahmed has been appointed as the brand ambassador of first-of-its-kind Nelson Mandela talent hunt program for U19 cricketers of Karachi.

Hailed from Karachi, Sarfaraz, who won U19 World Cup for Pakistan in 2006, endorsed Nelson Mandela talent hunt program which will provide opportunities to budding cricketers of his city.

"It is a great opportunity for all U19 cricketers of Karachi. I am very much confident that this step will change the landscape of Karachi's cricket," said the Champions Trophy 2017 winning captain while addressing media at National Bank Stadium.

Nelson Mandela talent hunt program will conduct trials to select players in different zones of the city. As many as 60 players will be selected through trials after which four teams will be made. Thereafter, a team of 15 players will be sent to South Africa for gaining exposure.

"I am really excited about this initiative. I would like to thank South African High Commissioner, his Excellency Mthuthuzeli Madikiza for putting efforts to launch this initiative," the wicketkeeper batter said.

Trials for U19 cricketers will take place in third Week of May. Sarfaraz alongside Fawad Alam and other Karachi cricketers will supervise the trials.

 

[Rana]

If he does not get suspended by PCB here, PCB has no moral conscience and is toothless in terms of authority. This action cannot be tolerated.

you don’t support racists do you?

 

[Mamoon]

you don’t support racists do you?

Sarfaraz wasn’t provoked.

If a person of colour is acting racist towards others, he will get a taste of his own medicine.

 

[Rana]

Sarfaraz wasn’t provoked.

If a person of colour is acting racist towards others, he will get a taste of his own medicine.

You were provoked how??? What did black people have to do with the Chapli Kabab comment?? You racially abused black people for no reason whatsoever! His comment was not racist!

 

[Mamoon]

You were provoked how??? What did black people have to do with the Chapli Kabab comment?? You racially abused black people for no reason whatsoever! His comment was not racist!

It is not for you to decide if I was provoked or not.

 

[Rana]

It is not for you to decide if I was provoked or not.

It is for me to decide that you racially abused black people for NO JUSTIFIED REASON!

You do not racially abuse ANYONE!!

 

[Mamoon]

It is for me to decide that you racially abused black people for NO JUSTIFIED REASON!

You do not racially abuse ANYONE!!

I felt justified.

 

[Rafale Nidhal Fan]

on topic

things to take away from this incident

A board didn't threaten to leave the tour in the middle of a series

A board punished its captain and didn't cover up the racist comments even though Sarfraz never meant it in a racist way

 

[khyberlion]

I don’t have a problem with black people, but he was being racist towards people of my region and I was left with no choice.

That is why it was justified. He has been doing it for quite some time and I ignored it.

Which idiot was this? There are a few here doing it for a while.

 

[PAKFAN12]

I will say it again. Don’t get involved. It doesn’t concern you and you are not hero patting a person who used extremely poor choice of words to respond to something which wasn’t even deemed racist by the moderators.

Shaz shared a picture of Babar, Rizwan and Shaheen making chapli kebabs. How has he particularly targeted a racial demographic when all 3 in the picture are not Pashtoons? How then does that warrant a response targeting black people who have NOTHING to do with this??

While Mamoon choice of words was not inappropriate but you have always used racist words against Rizwan.

 

[Rana]

I Am not talking about this incident alone and stop acting as a saint. The poster in question has made many posts before which were racist and you liked them. So spare us the moral lecture. As I said why don't you have the same energy for him?

I will say it again I will get involved. It has nothing to do with you.

What do you mean why I don’t have the same energy for him? Did Shaz use the kind of language Mamoon did?? If you know what he said, you would also know that kind of language will get you beaten black and blue here and in the US unless the police intervenes. What Mamoon said CANNOT be justified! If he felt that he was being targeted due to racial undertones, he should have reported it to the mods or he should have at least pointed it out so that there could be a full stop to it! Nowhere can you respond with racial hatred, and that too towards a race that has nothing to do with it!

 

[Rana]

While Mamoon choice of words was not inappropriate but you have always used racist words against Rizwan.

What racist words? Tell me

 

[Rana]

He's a hypocrite of the highest order.

No I think you will be proven as the hypocrite here.

I better not find any of your posts chastising Sarfaraz for his poor choice of words… you better hope you haven’t been down that road after commending Mamoon.

 

[khyberlion]

What do you mean why I don’t have the same energy for him? Did Shaz use the kind of language Mamoon did?? If you know what he said, you would also know that kind of language will get you beaten black and blue here and in the US unless the police intervenes. What Mamoon said CANNOT be justified! If he felt that he was being targeted due to racial undertones, he should have reported it to the mods or he should have at least pointed it out so that there could be a full stop to it! Nowhere can you respond with racial hatred, and that too towards a race that has nothing to do with it!

And the language he uses against us will have the same the same response in kpk. What point are you trying to make?

He has made many pathetic posts which you have liked, you are equally involved. Those posts have been reported many times. I didn't see Mamoon's post. I am commenting generally that the poster in question has made many racist posts against pashtoons. Did you ever question him?

 

[Snowflake]

Why was this thread bumped?

 

[Rana]

While Mamoon choice of words was not inappropriate but you have always used racist words against Rizwan.

Big man. Can you please share the posts or the words you deemed ‘racist’ in the case of Rizwan by me.

 

[topspin]

So we’ve gone from having a bit of banter about a few players who make/eat chapli kebabs to being racist.

Really poor stuff.

 

[Rana]

So we’ve gone from having a bit of banter about a few players who make/eat chapli kebabs to being racist.

Really poor stuff.

It’s horrendous man!

If you can’t handle it, don’t engage in the first place! Mamoon has been trying to play this game of creating hostility against people who don’t agree with him. He started the whole feud last year when Babar backstabbed Shaheen for captaincy. He’s suffering on a daily basis because of all of the humiliation he has had to suffer for siding with what’s wrong, and rubbing the wrong people on this forum in the wrong way. If he can’t handle it, he shouldn’t play these stupid games.

You know how he responded here. He’s made pretty low remarks against others too. Why play with fire if you can’t handle the heat?

 

[LordJames]

anyone whos seen local pak cricket games know people are called names like "chitta, kala, kalia, etc", in Pakistan that goes, but referring to people by their skin colour (if they are not the same colour as you) is not accepted in most western social norms.

sarfraz may not have any maliciousness behind the comment, but for someone that ignorant to become captain of Pakistan's cricket team is a sad indictment of how unworldly these guys are.

This isn't about the East or the West, any derogatory comments based on looks are not permitted in our religion. A person can make a mistake and in that case they should apologize.

This is not from West.

 

[LordJames]

STOP​

Report posts and let the Administrators take action on racist behavior based on color of skin and whatnot.

https://ppforum.pakpassion.net/threads/stop-judging-people-for-their-looks-life-or-struggles.318576/

Thanks @Cricket Warrior @The Bald Eagle and others.

 

[LordJames]

Agreed. I have stopped posting on here and hardly come to the site. It's full of bunch of posters with no cricketing knowledge and are acting as experts. Unfortunately, the use of pathetic language has increased since reopening of the site and with personal attacks which keeps happening without anything being done about it.

The same posters who are crying racism now are the same one doing the same and liking each other posts. Now they are acting saints.

The issue has been resolved and confirmed.

Please continue to post and click "Report". There is zero tolerance for any racism.

Thanks for your time.

 

[Rana]

Agreed. I have stopped posting on here and hardly come to the site. It's full of bunch of posters with no cricketing knowledge and are acting as experts. Unfortunately, the use of pathetic language has increased since reopening of the site and with personal attacks which keeps happening without anything being done about it.

The same posters who are crying racism now are the same one doing the same and liking each other posts. Now they are acting saints.

What’s racist? Calling the Arbab Niaz Stadium the Naan Kabab stadium? That’s racism?

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Guys, please stick to the topic and avoid making personal, derogatory or racist comments. Kindly act like grown ups and do not take this any further. Thanks.

 

[khyberlion]

What’s racist? Calling the Arbab Niaz Stadium the Naan Kabab stadium? That’s racism?

Those pathetic posts were deleted by mods which you liked. I will tag you next time don't you worry.

 

[Major]

Why is that every cricketer who turns out to be jahil is supported by @Rana jee

 

[Rana]

Guys, please stick to the topic and avoid making personal, derogatory or racist comments. Kindly act like grown ups and do not take this any further. Thanks.

I think it’s important to be educated personally on what constitutes as racism.

I need @PAKFAN12 to clarify where I have used racist remarks about Rizwan? As far as I know, I don’t give 2 ….s about his ethnicity. I need to know what I said that was racist so that I cannot repeat it going forward if it truly is racist!

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Sarfraz was ignorant. You can't expect him to understand the delicate nature of race and colour in post apartheid South Africa.

However credit to him for taking the ban on the chin, and for apologising and for taking part in education program.

He's done all that he could to make amends.

Contrast that to Harbajhan and who got together to concoct a story to hide blatant racism against Symonds. The whole affair drove Symonds to alcoholism and may have contributed to his demise.

It's one of the crimes the many crimes that Sachinistas try to hide @Technics 1210 I'm sure you will concur.

 

[Technics 1210]

Sarfraz was ignorant. You can't expect him to understand the delicate nature of race and colour in post apartheid South Africa.

However credit to him for taking the ban on the chin, and for apologising and for taking part in education program.

He's done all that he could to make amends.

Contrast that to Harbajhan and who got together to concoct a story to hide blatant racism against Symonds. The whole affair drove Symonds to alcoholism and may have contributed to his demise.

It's one of the crimes the many crimes that Sachinistas try to hide @Technics 1210 I'm sure you will concur.

The first point I would make is that 99% of folk here do not know what racism is. Racism is discrimination based on a race.

Calling someone who is black, black, isn't racist. It might be crass, but not racist.

Refusing to give a job, refusing to serve, because someone is black, is racist, because the act of discrimination is in the refusal.

As for SRT, well in that incident, Baji called someone who was predominantly white, a monkey, because of his physical features/ancestry.

Baji knew he was on the hook for blatant racism and not only changed his testimony, but SRT changed his testimony too - basically proving SRT was a corrupt liar, who had complete disrespect for the legal system and of course the truth.

This one simple act of racism, followed by a proven lie, was the reason Aussies never respected SRT again, so what do Sachinistas do? They created a one-sided fabricated rivalry vs Australia.

Gilly lambasted SRT from that point too.

 

[TheSultan]

The Mike Denness, Sachin MonkeyGate episode as well as the DRS expose has destroyed the myth of this saintly figure they tried to paint of SRT.

The guy has been shown to be dishonest and lie while claiming to be holier than thou.

 

[Technics 1210]

The Mike Denness, Sachin MonkeyGate episode as well as the DRS expose has destroyed the myth of this saintly figure they tried to paint of SRT.

The guy has been shown to be dishonest and lie while claiming to be holier than thou.

Here is what Ponting and Gilly had to say :

"Both Gilly and Punter claimed that Sachin had first said that he didn’t hear what was said, but suddenly changed his statement in front of the judge and claimed that Harbhajan hadn’t actually called Symonds a ‘monkey’ but had rather used a Hindi curse that sounded much like the racial taunt."

This was not the first time SRT's integrity and honesty would come into question of course, no sir, when the corruption of the 90s was investigated after Hanse Cronje tapes, SRT was interviewed and claim he had heard and seen nothing in the 10 years he has shared the dressing room with the Indian team of the 90s from 1990 to 1999.

This is why this entire Sarfraz mic-drop saga is so overblown. There are countless examples of other moments of racism in Cricket which were brushed under the carpet - but no, Sarfraz is the next coming of the SA apartheid according to some wet wipes on here.

 

[Major]

Wait a minute.

A poster is defending that Calling someone kala is not racist while justifying calling someone a monkey is racism.


Irony just died there.

All i can say is, go and call someone kala, or maybe use the n word, you will get your answer

 

[Major]

Sarfraz was ignorant. You can't expect him to understand the delicate nature of race and colour in post apartheid South Africa.

However credit to him for taking the ban on the chin, and for apologising and for taking part in education program.

He's done all that he could to make amends.

Contrast that to Harbajhan and who got together to concoct a story to hide blatant racism against Symonds. The whole affair drove Symonds to alcoholism and may have contributed to his demise.

It's one of the crimes the many crimes that Sachinistas try to hide @Technics 1210 I'm sure you will concur.

Bro. Safraz defended what he said ij later podcasts and interviews and even thought it was funny and had to regrets for his comments.

The education program failed because he saw nothing wrong in what he did

 

[topspin]

The first point I would make is that 99% of folk here do not know what racism is. Racism is discrimination based on a race.

Calling someone who is black, black, isn't racist. It might be crass, but not racist.

Refusing to give a job, refusing to serve, because someone is black, is racist, because the act of discrimination is in the refusal.

They are both racism. First example you gave is casual racism and the latter is instutional racism.

 

[Technics 1210]

Wait a minute.

A poster is defending that Calling someone kala is not racist while justifying calling someone a monkey is racism.


Irony just died there.

All i can say is, go and call someone kala, or maybe use the n word, you will get your answer

Andrew Symonds was white, learn to read, calling a white guy a monkey based on his ancestry of Australia is indeed racist.

Just like calling a black guy a monkey is deemed racist, but calling a black guy a black is not racist.

Also look up the word irony then learn how to use it.

 

[topspin]

Andrew Symonds was white, learn to read, calling a white guy a monkey based on his ancestry of Australia is indeed racist.

Just like calling a black guy a monkey is deemed racist, but calling a black guy a black is not racist.

Also look up the word irony then learn how to use it.

More fake news from this poster. Symonds was white?!

Are you colour blind or taking the p1ss?

@Rana @Markhor - or is it one too many nights out?

 

[Rana]

Andrew Symonds was white, learn to read, calling a white guy a monkey based o

We are talking about Andrew Symonds,

Not Rizzu Symonds

 

[Major]

Andrew Symonds was white, learn to read, calling a white guy a monkey based on his ancestry of Australia is indeed racist.

Just like calling a black guy a monkey is deemed racist, but calling a black guy a black is not racist.

Also look up the word irony then learn how to use it.

This gets even more funnier mate.

Like i said go and call someone the n word. You will get the answer

Say hi to White Symonds for me

 

[topspin]

He said on some religion thread on Timepass that because I am Ahmadi, I shouldn’t be using harsh wording here…

What a bloody weirdo!

I also remember him saying something along the lines of "you shouldn't be getting involved because of your background or you're minority...". You asked him to clarify which he didn't respond to, so I find it ironic for him to preaching righteous when he's clearly been racist to you.

The difference is we don't go running to mods like a coward.

 

[Rana]

I also remember him saying something along the lines of "you shouldn't be getting involved because of your background or you're minority...". You asked him to clarify which he didn't respond to, so I find it ironic for him to preaching righteous when he's clearly been racist to you.

The difference is we don't go running to mods like a coward.

Yeah he just said something same along the lines here to me. @LordJames is witness.

The Freshy thinks this forum is Pakistan.

 

[Major]

Yeah he just said something same along the lines here to me. @LordJames is witness.

The Freshy thinks this forum is Pakistan.

Yeh nice try spreading lies

 

[Rana]

Yeh nice try spreading lies

No that’s what you are doing by saying I am racist to others. What does my Ahmadi status have to do with this? You are Sunni so it’s ok for you to racist to others because you are not oppressed in Pakistan?

 

[Major]

No that’s what you are doing by saying I am racist to others. What does my Ahmadi status have to do with this? You are Sunni so it’s ok for you to racist to others because you are not oppressed in Pakistan?

I think i have replied on this in post 793.

You can now pretend whatever u wana hear, but i have given explanation

 

[topspin]

Yeah he just said something same along the lines here to me. @LordJames is witness.

The Freshy thinks this forum is Pakistan.

So that's not the first time then because the discussion I'm referring to is the previous one on TP. Yet, he tries to act as if he's morally superior to everyone.

 

[topspin]

Bringing up Rana's religious beliefs is unnecessary and the intent behind it is quite obviously racist.

 

[Rana]

I’ll say it again.

I think cricketers from KPK are chokers. Not every single one of them, but a good majority of them…and especially when they represent as a unit. They choke.

So what now? I’m a racist? @Major

 

[Major]

I’ll say it again.

I think cricketers from KPK are chokers. Not every single one of them, but a good majority of them…and especially when they represent as a unit. They choke.

So what now? I’m a racist? @Major

See now you are not using those phrases as you must have learned you lesson.

Good job. No now ur not a racists

 

[topspin]

Bringing up Rana's religious beliefs is unnecessary and the intent behind it is quite obviously racist.

@Major

Why do you find your racism to be funny?

If you had any decency, you would apologise to Rana. There was absolutely no need to bring up his religious beliefs, just like there was no need for Sarfraz to bring up Andile's skin colour, yet you are calling him out.

Pot kettle black!

 

[Rana]

@Major

Why do you find your racism to be funny?

If you had any decency, you would apologise to Rana.

He doesn’t have to apologise

He knows he will get his fair share of Chappals from me.

 

[Technics 1210]

This gets even more funnier mate.

Like i said go and call someone the n word. You will get the answer

Say hi to White Symonds for me

I’m never mates with the spawn of corruption.

You are not living in a white country, as a minority, so your idea and notion of racism is down right ignorant. You are a brown guy who lives in a brown majority country.

Stop pretending you do not use the same language as Sarfraz, or never have.

A black guy calling a black guy the N word is not racist either - as there is no discrimination within the same race.

A brown guy calling a brown guy the P word is not racist either - as there is no discrimination within the same race.

A white guy calling a white guy the H word is not racist either - as there is no discrimination within the same race.

All backed by UK legal precedence.

Sarfraz didnt call the guy the N word, and the N word and the word black DO NOT mean the same thing.

Stop coming out with nonsense and save your 5 second irrelevant hypothetical when asking me to call a black guy the N word, when this is not even the point.

Thats the trouble with the spawn of corruption, they buy an education, never study for it, then pretend they have an understanding of the world.

Good night.

 

[topspin]

Sir u can spin it anyway you want i have explained in the above posts what i meant.

Now you can spin anyway you want it and i will laugh at it

There was absolutely no need to bring up his religious beliefs, just like there was no need for Sarfraz to bring up Andile's skin colour, yet you are calling him out.

Pot kettle black!