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[AUDIO/VIDEO] Sarfaraz Ahmed's derogatory comments to Andile Phehlukwayo...

Pathetic stuff from Sarfraz.

Unfortunately this is common for desis and Sarfraz probably didn't even think about it being derogatory. Still should be punished to set an example.
 
Yet another reason why we need more polished, well-groomed cricketers.
 
KingKhanWC said:
It's sounds really bad and there is no room for any racist comments in this sport esp towards a South African player!

However I dont believe Sarfraz is being intentionally racist as such words are a figure of speech.

Most Pakistani posters on this forum has used such language. Sure this needs to change but it's unfair to say he meant it in a racist manner.
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Racist figure of speech is still racist though, intentional or not.

YousafTheBeast said:
99.99% of south Asians are racists, why be hypocrites?

I’m sure we’ve all heard our parents/relatives say racist stuff.

With that being said, Sarfraz should be sent home.
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Yeah, I've heard relatives say racist stuff and I've called them out on it. You should have zero tolerance to that stuff.

Varun said:
If this blows up this could be as big as the Harbhajan - Symonds issue.

The next 6 hours are going to be crucial.
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I don't think this is as bad as that but I'm interested to see where this goes.
 
zulfiqar said:
He's implying that he sent his mother to sit and pray for him somewhere (which is why he's doing so well). The part that won't sit well internationally is the part that he said "abay kaale" and the truth is that people address each other (within friends too) quite commonly in this way in Pakistan/India, and isn't particularly seen as derogatory (though it should be). It's the same way how calling someone a monkey in Urdu/Hindi is not particularly derogatory.

The fact that Sarfaraz is unaware (probably) of how disgusting it is to say something like that in South Africa doesn't surprise me as he comes across as someone who isn't educated in cultures internationally. Still don't know how why these kind of things can't be taught to players. I know some of you might be thinking that you shoudln't need to educate people to not call someone else "kaala" but let's face it: it's quite common in Pakistan even though professionally it might not be, and the context of the struggles of black minority in SA might help educate players.
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sensible
but we know things will be blown out of proportion and all the hypocrisy in the world will make sure sarfraz gets heavily penalised.
 
Problem is he wouldn’t even know that what he said was very offensive. Compare him to our past captains like Akram younis moeen amit or even misbah. Our standards have really gone down.
 
Harshu814 said:
When u go to country having rich history of racism and latwr having strict laws against racism , u need to have brain before u utter such rubbish.. even 15 y old kids know you shudnt use anything black related in SAf ( not anywhere but damn in saf?)

Shud bw banned for ashaming his country ,he is a goddamn captain of international team representing pakistan
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Sarfraz is not smart enough to understand and appreciate the history of South Africa. I highly doubt if he knows anything about the country other than the fact that they play cricket.

Not only is he an awful cricketer, his attitude and the way he carries himself, the way he talks etc. are quite embarrassing. He needs to understand that he is not on the streets of Karachi anymore.
 
As a punishment he should be asked to pronounce Phehlukwayo's name 100 times.
 
There was a controversy about some veteran also talking about black players in PSL in a derogatory way not long ago. Remember reading it here.

Not expected from international players.
 
Is calling a black man, "Black Man" rascist?
That mom thing is G. Boycott level stuff...

no need to cry wolf.
 
MRSN said:
Even in our society its taken as offensively
If you say this word to someone who is not your friend, relative etc and here we are talking about SA who is strict about racism.
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You're totally right that if you say it someone you don't know it's offensive - it's just that I have little doubt that Sarfaraz intention was not to put another person down because of his color - he simply referred to him as 'kaala' because the color of his skin is dark. Of course, in most cultures it is insensitive, given the history of discrimination, etc. and he should've been more professional here and the lack of education (in the matter) shows.

Anyway not even defending the use of the word 'kaala', as a society we should move away from such archaic gestures/phrases.
 
Spot on. I know it’s very early but Shan Masood seems to be a decent guy he should be given test captaincy
 
basitmian said:
Is calling a black man, "Black Man" rascist?
That mom thing is G. Boycott level stuff...

no need to cry wolf.
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No he is not, but what you are doing by calling him a "Black Man" instead of his name is dehumanizing him.
 
Mamoon said:
Yet another reason why we need more polished, well-groomed cricketers.
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Like Salman Butt and Wahab Riaz?

Ridiculous comment to make. Do you feel disdainful towards anyone not belonging in the so-called "elite"? Are they inferior to you and your peers?
 
basitmian said:
Is calling a black man, "Black Man" rascist?
That mom thing is G. Boycott level stuff...

no need to cry wolf.
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It is poor from Sarfaraz but it is definitely not racist. Unfortunately, it will be perceived that way and he can get in trouble.
 
Mamoon said:
It is not a figure of speech when you refer to a black person by the colour of his/her skin. You are right that casual racism is deeply integrated in our society. However, that is not an excuse for Sarfraz. Not only is he the captain of the team, he was on live tv. In this day and age, these things hardly go unnoticed.

He was clearly being racist. That is beyond any doubt.
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I dont think he was intentionally being racist but his remark was racist because he referred to the colour of ones skin. Yes there is no excuse for using such language and he should be sanctioned accordingly.

This is a stain on Pakistan cricket as the world will know what our skipper said.
 
Birdman said:
No he is not, but what you are doing by calling him a "Black Man" instead of his name is dehumanizing him.
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so is any kind of swearing.. but that does not let people get in trouble.
If he would have said the F bomb, then what would have people said.
 
Ok, so I just read.

Referring to blacks as black is NOT considered racism in SA, it's NOT derogatory.
 
This is such a shameful incident which exposes the typical mindset of our people too. I hope Sarfraz own family was not listening in.
 
This is racist.

But if you come from the subcontinent you will know that this language of referring to a black person by his skin color is common here.

2 days back i went to a market and was looking for a person there. I asked around about him.Asking people Whether X is there. The people there asked me which X. There a two people named X here, you want the fair one or the dark one. Or in hindi as Kaala wala ya **** wale X ko khoj raahe ho.

But Sarafaraz should have known better. What we use casually in the SC is racist elsewhere.
 
PCB need to act, and first apologise to Phehlukwayo and the cricketing world, then get Sarfaraz to apologise personally. After than he needs to be punished, be it a suspension or classes on the historical importance on racism and how not to act like an absolute idiot.
 
If he gets a ban for more than a couple of games, I can see Pak team making Shoaib interim captain for the WC.
 
RickyG said:
Like Salman Butt and Wahab Riaz?

Ridiculous comment to make. Do you feel disdainful towards anyone not belonging in the so-called "elite"? Are they inferior to you and your peers?
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Education is not a deterrent for match-fixing, but it will help our cricketers think before they run their mouth. Not to mention the various other benefits that go beyond the scope of this thread.
 
cricketjoshila said:
This is racist.

But if you come from the subcontinent you will know that this language of referring to a black person by his skin color is common here.

2 days back i went to a market and was looking for a person there. I asked around about him.Asking people Whether X is there. The people there asked me which X. There a two people named X here, you want the fair one or the dark one. Or in hindi as Kaala wala ya **** wale X ko khoj raahe ho.

But Sarafaraz should have known better. What we use casually in the SC is racist elsewhere.
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Do you think PCB/ICC will take any action?
 
Dont know why some posters here defend him ( thier neighbours use racial slurs **** kaley etc etc... Balck man ko black man na bole to kya bole?) Do you have any idea how strict SAF is about racial slurs on blacks? Moreover do u realise if they find out , image of pakistan will be stained? Is such a incompetent ,non perfoming , uneducated captain so worth defending?
 
Greenstorm said:
According to Sarfaraz, Phehlukwayo's good luck was because of her mother's dua hence mentioning her. Very poor from Sarfaraz and it will be very difficult for him to explain it if asked about this.
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I agree, reference to mother's reading or dua was purely to highlight his luck and thus not derogatory. The derogatory portion was 'abe kaalley' which is used casually in our countries. Which though mind you is not acceptable and offensive even here.

The big brain **** here is saying this despite knowing stump mikes can pick up anything on live tv and anything you say will be construed in a million ways. There is absolutely no way for him to control the narrative now or for the PCB. PCB will come down on him like a ton of bricks.
 
basitmian said:
Is calling a black man, "Black Man" rascist?
That mom thing is G. Boycott level stuff...

no need to cry wolf.
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The context and cultural meaning gets lost in the translation. The word is used to mock, ridicule and belittle the other person.
 
There is nothing racist about it , he didnt say the N word. Yah it was in a bad taste , people use word '****' a lot of british or anyone of white skin which is not usually deemed as a racist thing. Players say a lot of things in the middle in the heat of the moment which include BC and MC as well so lets not make it a big deal.
 
cricketjoshila said:
This is racist.

But if you come from the subcontinent you will know that this language of referring to a black person by his skin color is common here.

2 days back i went to a market and was looking for a person there. I asked around about him.Asking people Whether X is there. The people there asked me which X. There a two people named X here, you want the fair one or the dark one. Or in hindi as Kaala wala ya **** wale X ko khoj raahe ho.

But Sarafaraz should have known better. What we use casually in the SC is racist elsewhere.
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Exactly.

He is the captain of an international cricket team. He should k ow better.
 
Condemnable.

Should get punished for this.

But it is common in India and Pakistan to call somebody by their skin-colour.
 
This is such a bizarre comment I highly doubt Andile or most South Africans would understand what was meant. I certainly don't.

Is he calling Andile's mother a prostitute?
 
Sarfaraz will have no idea he did anything wrong - such is the term prevalent in Pakistan.

Still PCB should get ahead of the matter and ban him - before ICC does. It's the right thing to do.
 
Absolutely disgusting. You guys may not find it rasict but do you think a common South African or black person will appreciate being spoken to in this way?

He has no clue how to carry himself as a leader. If he is sacked for this he deserves it. It is not something you say on a sporting pitch.
 
basitmian said:
so is any kind of swearing.. but that does not let people get in trouble.
If he would have said the F bomb, then what would have people said.
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You have to take SA's past into consideration. In South Asia calling some one younger than you "Boy" is common, but you will get killed in US if you call a AA a Boy. There is time and place for everything, wearing swimsuit in a beach is ok, but it's not ok for a official meeting.
There should be a some kind of cultural training for teams before they go on a foreign trip. They are representing their country.
 
Mamoon said:
Education is not a deterrent for match-fixing, but it will help our cricketers think before they run their mouth. Not to mention the various other benefits that go beyond the scope of this thread.
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Education puts a filter on your tongue and behaviour.
But there is nothing can put filter on anybody's character like match fixing. Education or no, it wont effect a person's greed.
 
Ozymandiasza said:
This is such a bizarre comment I highly doubt Andile or most South Africans would understand what was meant. I certainly don't.

Is he calling his mother a prostitute?
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Lol no.

He is saying that Andile's mother was sitting somewhere, praying for him. This was said because phelukwayo was really lucky in his innings.

The troubling bit was the 'o kaalay' part. Casual racism.
 
Ozymandiasza said:
This is such a bizarre comment I highly doubt Andile or most South Africans would understand what was meant. I certainly don't.

Is he calling Andile's mother a prostitute?
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The only offensive part of this is the start where he referred to him as "Hey black guy". The stuff about his mother is utterly harmless.
 
Ozymandiasza said:
This is such a bizarre comment I highly doubt Andile or most South Africans would understand what was meant. I certainly don't.

Is he calling Andile's mother a prostitute?
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No, when he referred to his mother he meant maybe she's in the ground to give you prayers hence your luck.
 
For me there is no defence of this. You can't speak to people like this. How you talk to people causally is fine. But you need to present yourself differently when you are the captain of your country.
 
Big test for incoming Wasim Khan. This might be the first big decision he has to make. Coming from a professional setup I don't think he'll tolerate this.
 
Canford Cliffs said:
ICC promotes anti-racism in all their events. So this is a big deal actually. If they get hold of this video...Sarfraz will be banned for 1 year atleast.
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1st time offender, I think he will cop a multi-game ban - 3 to 5 games or so. If Rizwan clicks, it may become difficult for Sarfraz to come back. Lucky for Sarfraz the next 3 games are going to be on more bouncy tracks.
 
Corridor of Uncertainty said:
Sarfaraz will have no idea he did anything wrong - such is the term prevalent in Pakistan.

Still PCB should get ahead of the matter and ban him - before ICC does. It's the right thing to do.
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Exactly.

Why let others interfere when you can handle it yourself.
 
JibranAnsari said:
There is nothing racist about it , he didnt say the N word. Yah it was in a bad taste , people use word '****' a lot of british or anyone of white skin which is not usually deemed as a racist thing. Players say a lot of things in the middle in the heat of the moment which include BC and MC as well so lets not make it a big deal.
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We also need to realise he spoke in his own language and I assume Phehlukwayo doesn't understand Urdu?

The problem is it's South Africa, the worst place on Earth where you refer to an African person as black.
 
Birdman said:
You have to take SA's past into consideration. In South Asia calling some one younger than you "Boy" is common, but you will get killed in US if you call a AA a Boy. There is time and place for everything, wearing swimsuit in a beach is ok, but it's not ok for a official meeting.
There should be a some kind of cultural training for teams before they go on a foreign trip. They are representing their country.
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Exactly. You might get away with it in a gully mohllah/ local games but these games are televised and monitored very closely. ICC will not let it go that easily..
 
Ozymandiasza said:
This is such a bizarre comment I highly doubt Andile or most South Africans would understand what was meant. I certainly don't.

Is he calling Andile's mother a prostitute?
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He is saying

" Hey Black... where is your mother sitting today? What have you asked her to pray.

The colour reference is what most of us think is offensive.
 
Mamoon said:
Education is not a deterrent for match-fixing, but it will help our cricketers think before they run their mouth. Not to mention the various other benefits that go beyond the scope of this thread.
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Education is not an opportunity readily available to everyone in our society. What Sarfraz represents is a general problem in our society. By only selecting Shan Masoods and Salman Butts in your cricket team, you're not dealing with the actual problem. You're choosing undeserving people to represent your country because it's a better perception of the country you belong to You're marginalizing talent because they were afforded fewer opportunities growing up. That solves nothing except re-establish the status quo of when cricket was only a luxury for the elite and not the common man.
 
Ozymandiasza said:
This is such a bizarre comment I highly doubt Andile or most South Africans would understand what was meant. I certainly don't.

Is he calling Andile's mother a prostitute?
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He did not said anything derogatory about his mother. Sarfaraz referred to him as black man and the debate is whether its racist or not.
 
Banter said:
1st time offender, I think he will cop a multi-game ban - 3 to 5 games or so. If Rizwan clicks, it may become difficult for Sarfraz to come back. Lucky for Sarfraz the next 3 games are going to be on more bouncy tracks.
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dude this is the case of racism not ball tempering
 
Ban incoming... stars aligning for Prof to lead at the WC :hafeez2
 
Ozymandiasza said:
This is such a bizarre comment I highly doubt Andile or most South Africans would understand what was meant. I certainly don't.

Is he calling Andile's mother a prostitute?
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[MENTION=134334]Ozymandiasza[/MENTION] I read on a site somewhere that calling a black person in SA as black is not considered racist.

Is that true?

Just to be clear, I'm not condoning it and think he should be punished. But I just want to know how the culture there re. this word.
 
It's already trending at #7 in twitter India. This will not go down unnoticed for sure.
What a disgrace that an uneducated-unpolished clown like him is leading a national team!
Banning him for a year or so might infact improve your chances in the WC..
 
Ozymandiasza said:
This is such a bizarre comment I highly doubt Andile or most South Africans would understand what was meant. I certainly don't.

Is he calling Andile's mother a prostitute?
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There's a bit of superstitious belief in black magic etc in that part of the world. He's saying Oh bl@ckie , what (magic spells) did your mom have read for you (by some shaman/evil priest).
 
This is pathetic...very bad and shouldn't go unnoticed.

I hope this gets dealt with professionally.
 
MRSN said:
Exactly. You might get away with it in a gully mohllah/ local games but these games are televised and monitored very closely. ICC will not let it go that easily..
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Problem with Sarfaraz is that he treats International games as gully muhalla matches. :facepalm:
 
Disgraceful comments from Sarfraz who once again opens mouth before engaging brain.

It's true desis often make casual racist comments against blacks. However casual racism coming from your grandma or uncle is different from the captain of an international team.

PCB will be forced to act. Maybe these sledges would've gone unnoticed in the past with no stump mics to pick it up but now sponsors come down hard on any racism or sexist comments. I'll be surprised if he isn't fined at least.
 
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