[AUDIO/VIDEO] Sarfaraz Ahmed's derogatory comments to Andile Phehlukwayo...

[Akki malhotra]

Sarfraz at presentation ceremony after match: - Sarfaraz Ahmed: We didn't get a good start and we gave away too many early wickets. He (Hasan Ali) batted really well and gave us some hope. We had our chance when they were 80/5. We needed one more wicket but credit goes to the one with a difficult name (Phehlukwayo), I don't know to pronounce that and also the other batsman (Rassie van der Dussen).

 

[Suleiman]

Lol, he has lost the plot entirely now and has become just as senile as other infamous captains, coaches, manager and chairmen of the PCB of the 21st century.

Let's see how his fans spin this one. #sarfrazian4lyfe

 

[Ozymandiasza]

Once again - It's LITERALLY what he said.

It has zero negative connotation to you because you don't actually give a toss about racism but don't have the backbone to come out and say it.

Nice ad hominem. Sorry buddy, in my opinion, it takes a much stronger backbone to actually stand up to your liberal bullying.

 

[Syed1]

I think he may get a fine or 1-2 match ban..

Good chance for Rizwan to come and make couple of hundreds as PP experts think he can and lets see..

If going by PP hype, Riz will come in and smash a double ton, then pick up 10 catches as keeper.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Was he actually banned?

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2008/jan/07/cricket.sport1

I cant recall if his ban was overturned but he was initially.

He still commentates inc in England and is reguarly seen on Indian T.V. But I guess the Indians thought he was innocent as they did with Sachin tampering the ball. Point is his life wasnt ruined so Sarfraz will continue to play cricket.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I'm sorry, some of your comment was censored beyond recognition. Perhaps we shouldn't censor words as much.

I'm unsure what you mean. We have quite an "advanced" sense of racism. Referring to a black person as black is not racist over here. Nor is coloured as coloured, or white as white.

He basically said Oi Black.Y or something along those lines.

Will that be considered racist in SA?

 

[basitmian]

Literally, Sarfraz was saying that "his mom's prayers are working for him today"

 

[Rafa]

I'm sorry, some of your comment was censored beyond recognition. Perhaps we shouldn't censor words as much.

I'm unsure what you mean. We have quite an "advanced" sense of racism. Referring to a black person as black is not racist over here. Nor is coloured as coloured, or white as white.

Honest Query,

Will the following comment be considered racist in SA?

" Hey you Black Man, drive the car for me "

 

[Bhaijaan]

This was very funny.

I feel sad for people giving this a racist angle and using this as a tool to vent their frustrations at Frazzy.

This is how everyone talks in India and Pakistan. What's your problem?

 

[Balthazar]

What's up with people abusing others based on their skin colour? And he is doing it on a live coverage. This guy lacks basic sense and manners. Not fit be living in this era.

 

[Birdman]

I'm sorry, some of your comment was censored beyond recognition. Perhaps we shouldn't censor words as much.

I'm unsure what you mean. We have quite an "advanced" sense of racism. Referring to a black person as black is not racist over here. Nor is coloured as coloured, or white as white.

Here in the US it is perfectly ok to identify some one as Black or white. You can say "That B guy" as an identifier when he is not present. But when he is present you don't call him "B guy"

 

[ManFan]

Unfortunate but Sarfraz should know better as captain.

It’s not a racist remark but the sensitive drama queens are out in full force with their pitchforks.

 

[cricketjoshila]

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2008/jan/07/cricket.sport1

I cant recall if his ban was overturned but he was initially.

He still commentates inc in England and is reguarly seen on Indian T.V. But I guess the Indians thought he was innocent as they did with Sachin tampering the ball. Point is his life wasnt ruined so Sarfraz will continue to play cricket.

If Inzamam and team are innocent post Oval Test 2006 as ICC acquitted them, why not Sachin or Harbhajan?

 

[MMHS]

With Mani at the helm, we can hope.

Who is Deputy - or PCB has gone back to keep their Captain comfortable again? This guy is bringing his street cricket antics to International games.

In Commonwealth countries, Test captain was treated like a diplomat; Queen used to invite the visiting team in Palace for a dinner ...... This guy doesn't have the knowledge what's the significance of the word "black" - that too in SAF!!!!!!! Education is required, otherwise in galli cricket people do call - langra, kana, khora, tera ....., but not when you are leading in International cricket. And, I am sure Bhakts will get under @Saj, for bringing this in focus.

Few weeks back there was a thread about the quality of PAK cricket - where it stands now; have seen some namuna today. From Fazal, Imran, Akram, Shoaib, Asif .... now Fahim Ashraf is opening bowling for PAK and from Kardar, Intekhab, Mazid, Asif, imran, Wasim, Misbah ..... Sarfraz is Captain.

PS: No personal grudge here - I would have made it even worse for any BD player through FaceBook.

 

[aloo paratha]

That is genuinely worth a ban.

 

[basitmian]

Is calling "Gorray to a white guy" racist?

 

[Ozymandiasza]

He basically said Oi Black.Y or something along those lines.

Will that be considered racist in SA?

We would not use the word "blacky". If you mean something similar to the n-word... Well, then you're just trying to offend the man.

Honestly, from the sound of "blackey", this seems like a grey-white area.

 

[Greenstorm]

What's up with people abusing others based on their skin colour? And he is doing it on a live coverage. This guy lacks basic sense and manners. Not fit be living in this era.

He did not abused anyone.

 

[Rafa]

Unfortunate but Sarfraz should know better as captain.

It’s not a racist remark but the sensitive drama queens are out in full force with their pitchforks.

Agree, Andile might not have much idea about what happened but the snowflakes will make sure he feels bad about it. So many frustrated people just looking an opportunity to bash someone.

 

[Akki malhotra]

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2008/jan/07/cricket.sport1

I cant recall if his ban was overturned but he was initially.

He still commentates inc in England and is reguarly seen on Indian T.V. But I guess the Indians thought he was innocent as they did with Sachin tampering the ball. Point is his life wasnt ruined so Sarfraz will continue to play cricket.

Harbhajan was not banned. Cricket Australia had to take charges back.

 

[Syed1]

Unfortunate but Sarfraz should know better as captain.

It’s not a racist remark but the sensitive drama queens are out in full force with their pitchforks.

It is wonderful to know that there are such naik and decent people on here, I feel truly lucky to be in the company of angels

 

[Pete Rose]

Somewhere in that dressing room the coach is hoping that all his problems will be solved in one go.

 

[Big Mac]

Well, I've seen your philosophy before in a feminism thread (female commentators).

Nice ad hominem. Sorry buddy, in my opinion, it takes a much stronger backbone to actually stand up to your liberal bullying.

Terrified of female commentators and now hand waving racism and complaining about "liberal bullying".

[MENTION=3327]Indiafan[/MENTION] is correct and you should go back to Gab, VOAT, r/thedonald or wherever you poor scared folks like to congregate and bemoan the downfall of civilisation to the evils of empathy and equality.

 

[Ozymandiasza]

Terrified of female commentators and now hand waving racism and complaining about "liberal bullying".

[MENTION=3327]Indiafan[/MENTION] is correct and you should go back to Gab, VOAT, r/thedonald or wherever you poor scared folks like to congregate and bemoan the downfall of civilisation to the evils of empathy and equality.

Perhaps you should go re-read that thread... I've never leaned toward anything like that.

 

[boomboomcheema]

He did not abused anyone.

Indians think Sarfaraz racially abused the SA player, so he did.

 

[KingKhanWC]

If Inzamam and team are innocent post Oval Test 2006 as ICC acquitted them, why not Sachin or Harbhajan?

It kind of relates to the thread, Daryl Hair was a racist umpire which is why he was also initially demoted from umpiring the top matches. Afaik ICC revoked Sachins suspension but it's still on his record having tampered the ball.

 

[cricketjoshila]

We would not use the word "blacky". If you mean something similar to the n-word... Well, then you're just trying to offend the man.

Honestly, from the sound of "blackey", this seems like a grey-white area.

No not the N word as its not part of the vocab of Hindi/Urdu.

He basically used the word black in a slang sort of way, like oi blacky.

 

[ManFan]

It is wonderful to know that there are such naik and decent people on here, I feel truly lucky to be in the company of angels

The “holier-than-thou” shtick has reached an all-time high.

Kevin Hart was asked to apologize for something he already apologized for 10 years ago and lost the Oscar gig as a result.

Behind this facade, is a passive-aggressive nature where these individuals feel they can assert themselves into a cause without facing any consequences.

Humans have gone from idolizing nature, to dogma, to figures, to now themselves.

Every individual with the advent of social media is his own hero to be worshipped who can do no wrong.

 

[Big Mac]

But Sarfraz did not say that "come here" like Andile Phehlukwayo is his servant. If he has said it like this then I would agree with you that it is racist. But he did not and thats why I would consider this impolite and he should be suspended/fine by his board but I would not call it derogatory.

You know there is saying that "White men cant jump" in basketball. In a basketball match if a white player jump and dunk then if any black player mention it like "hey white man you jump and prove the myth wrong" would you say that black player utter derogatory words towards white player? Nobody would feel like that.

Is calling "Gorray to a white guy" racist?

 

[cricketjoshila]

It kind of relates to the thread, Daryl Hair was a racist umpire which is why he was also initially demoted from umpiring the top matches. Afaik ICC revoked Sachins suspension but it's still on his record having tampered the ball.

No its not on his record. Its cleaning the ball without asking the umpire.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Indians think Sarfaraz racially abused the SA player, so he did.

OP is an Indian?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Harbhajan was not banned. Cricket Australia had to take charges back.

Try reading carefully. I wrote "I cant recall if his ban was overturned but he was initially."

Aussies to this day inc Symonds feel he was racist. But it didn't hamper his career so Sarfraz should be ok too.

 

[Abdullah]

Everyone focussed on racisim, I am also wondering why the heck was he mentioning his mother in a derogatory manner and that too in Urdu which the batsman doesn't understand

It sound awful when translated to English, but in that part of the world your mother's prayers are seen as a great blessing, and that it why he asked where have you sat her, in that her prayers are working

 

[Bhaijaan]

Ever since one of my best friends moved to Chennai i have been pulling his leg referring to him as oye saale masale dose wale. He's never once taken offense. That's what understanding and friendship means.

 

[Loralai]

He must stand down after this embarrassing and humiliating incident.

 

[pakistani pride]

LOL he isnt being racist. He got carried away but in urdu this is not racist/offensive.

 

[Muhammad10]

If going by PP hype, Riz will come in and smash a double ton, then pick up 10 catches as keeper.

At least he will replace our specialist captain on merit, since Rizwan has racked up scores while playing for the A team and always maintained excellent fitness, whereas captain fantastic has been averaging below 24 since the start of 2018 in ODIs, and the less said about his fitness level, the better.

 

[Ozymandiasza]

Poor you. Must be horrible being all alone in that "white" country.

 

[Greenstorm]

Who is Deputy - or PCB has gone back to keep their Captain comfortable again? This guy is bringing his street cricket antics to International games.

In Commonwealth countries, Test captain was treated like a diplomat; Queen used to invite the visiting team in Palace for a dinner ...... This guy doesn't have the knowledge what's the significance of the word "black" - that too in SAF!!!!!!! Education is required, otherwise in galli cricket people do call - langra, kana, khora, tera ....., but not when you are leading in International cricket. And, I am sure Bhakts will get under @Saj, for bringing this in focus.

Few weeks back there was a thread about the quality of PAK cricket - where it stands now; have seen some namuna today. From Fazal, Imran, Akram, Shoaib, Asif .... now Fahim Ashraf is opening bowling for PAK and from Kardar, Intekhab, Mazid, Asif, imran, Wasim, Misbah ..... Sarfraz is Captain.

PS: No personal grudge here - I would have made it even worse for any BD player through FaceBook.

If sarfaraz gets banned, Hafeez will surely become captain.
I agree that captain should be someone who can carry himself with grace but we don't Misbah and Azhar acha bacha types either.
Saj bhai's tweet could have been avoided. Sarfaraz did not had any malicious intent, at worst he was being impolite.

 

[Syed1]

At least he will replace our specialist captain on merit, since Rizwan has racked up scores while playing for the A team and always maintained excellent fitness, whereas captain fantastic has been averaging below 24 since the start of 2018 in ODIs, and the less said about his fitness level, the better.

On a day when he was the only batsman other than Hasan that scored? Shaba excellent insight

 

[MenInG]

The ICC’s commitment to ensuring the diversity of the sport is respected by its participants is also enshrined in the ICC’s Anti-Racism Code for Participants, where on-field racism is considered one of the most serious acts that can be committed, with the possibility of a life ban for anyone found guilty of such an offence. This Code (among other things) prohibits racially offensive conduct by Participants during International Matches.

While this Anti-Racism Policy and the ICC’s Anti-Racism Code for Participants both apply specifically to International Matches, all ICC Members are encouraged to adopt and implement corresponding policies that apply to all other domestic cricket taking place within their respective jurisdictions.

https://www.icc-cricket.com/about/integrity/anti-racism

 

[Nov15]

One big difference with the Andrew Symonds' case: They didn't have audio/video evidence to punish Harbhajan.

 

[Sirris]

LOL he isnt being racist. He got carried away but in urdu this is not racist/offensive.

So what's the racist word in urdu when referring to a black person while asserting your own superiority?

Or are people in Pakistan/India not racist at all and don't even have such a word. That's the tragedy of the situation where we don't realize our own discriminatory behavior while easily getting offended about it when an outsiders is only a bit rude towards us.

 

[Fineline]

The ICC’s commitment to ensuring the diversity of the sport is respected by its participants is also enshrined in the ICC’s Anti-Racism Code for Participants, where on-field racism is considered one of the most serious acts that can be committed, with the possibility of a life ban for anyone found guilty of such an offence. This Code (among other things) prohibits racially offensive conduct by Participants during International Matches.

While this Anti-Racism Policy and the ICC’s Anti-Racism Code for Participants both apply specifically to International Matches, all ICC Members are encouraged to adopt and implement corresponding policies that apply to all other domestic cricket taking place within their respective jurisdictions.

https://www.icc-cricket.com/about/integrity/anti-racism

Well this looks bad!

 

[Akki malhotra]

If it was not @saj, somebody else would have tweeted it. Have no doubt in this social media age.

 

[sjahmed23]

Should be punished for this, unacceptable. It seems whenever Sarfraz scores a few runs and takes some catches behind the wicket he goes over the top and cannot control himself.

 

[leg-side-flick]

Honest Query,

Will the following comment be considered racist in SA?

" Hey you Black Man, drive the car for me "

Depends on the colour of Car

 

[dildilpak]

Ever since one of my best friends moved to Chennai i have been pulling his leg referring to him as oye saale masale dose wale. He's never once taken offense. That's what understanding and friendship means.

There is a big difference between teasing your friend & an international team captain using racist terms to taunt somebody. If he cant hold back his tongue & doesnt know how to behave professionally, he better get back to mohalla cricket pronto. If Sarfaraz’s fans justififying his actions can’t understand the meaning of professionalism, what can you say about that?

 

[Abdul]

Should be punished for this, unacceptable. It seems whenever Sarfraz scores a few runs and takes some catches behind the wicket he goes over the top and cannot control himself.

Absolutely. Choti aukat wala.

 

[Muhammad10]

On a day when he was the only batsman other than Hasan that scored? Shaba excellent insight

Yes, I understand that scoring 41 is a massive achievement for Sarfaraz, such are the terribly low standards he has set. If Rizwan comes in and gets a full year in the team, only to average 25 odd, I will also call for him to be replaced by anyone who earns a call up through performances in the manner he has done. I will not stick by my "favourites" to the detriment of the team.

 

[Ozymandiasza]

Honest Query,

Will the following comment be considered racist in SA?

" Hey you Black Man, drive the car for me "

Again, that was not what was said. He never issued a command.

 

[We Bleed Green]

Does any one know what the possible punishment could be

 

[Nov15]

Sarfaraz supporters think other countries are relaxed & chilled about casual racism like paindu people in the sub-continent.

 

[Syed1]

Yes, I understand that scoring 41 is a massive achievement for Sarfaraz, such are the terribly low standards he has set. If Rizwan comes in and gets a full year in the team, only to average 25 odd, I will also call for him to be replaced by anyone who earns a call up through performances in the manner he has done. I will not stick by my "favourites" to the detriment of the team.

But will you actively hope for players to fail just so you can talk?

 

[leg-side-flick]

It sound awful when translated to English, but in that part of the world your mother's prayers are seen as a great blessing, and that it why he asked where have you sat her, in that her prayers are working

I got it man.... Initially it looked extremely crass to me the way he mentioned his mum ( AJ Kahan bithaya hain etc ), but heard it again... He actually meant that his mum is praying for him....

 

[MRSN]

Does any one know what the possible punishment could be

Could be life ban if CSA or ICC makes any move.

 

[EliteCynical]

Ah, so we've moved on to the whataboutism section of the show.

I thought it was whataboutery! no?

 

[Muhammad10]

But will you actively hope for players to fail just so you can talk?

Bring proof.

 

[Big Mac]

Again, that was not what was said. He never issued a command.

Is it ok to go "Oi Blacky" at a black person?

 

[Big Mac]

I thought it was whataboutery! no?

Both are acceptable.

 

[charlie007]

"Abey Kaale" translates better to "Hey (in a derogatory way) bl@ck!e" rather than "Black Man". He might get away with this, but this should not be condoned and definitely not be repeated.

 

[leg-side-flick]

Match Refree is Ranjan Madugalle

 

[Ozymandiasza]

Is it ok to go "Oi Blacky" at a black person?

I'm unsure what you mean with "blacky", we don't have an equivalent word to what you might refer to as "blacky". If you're referring to something offensive, we have plenty. However, calling a black person black, as was stated originally in the OP, is not racist at all.

 

[leatherface58]

What an idiot this guy is. Screams at his players and now this. Sack him.

 

[Theo_14]

I’m not sure about many people on here. But last week a police man approached me and mentioned whether I had seen a “a black tall and broad man with a NYC Cap roaming around moments ago?”

On Sky News/BBC news you will see the term Black/White used as well if identity is unknown.

Point is, what Sarfraz said was “offensive” and “not professional.” BUT, in no way was it racist as he did NOT drop the N word. Forget the intentions, we can only look to the facts of what he said, and that is the bottom line.

Yes, he does not have many fans, yes he lacks education, yes he does not speak like Shan Masood and yes he has underperformed as a captain and player but PLEASE don’t downgrade a player so much that you are using the racial card against him.

Not so long ago fans in the crowd were using fake beards to resemble Amla, was that deemed racist? Was it turned into a issue by Amla/SA? Should that stop as well? So many sensitive people on here.

 

[GLORY OF '92]

The softies will moan for years now. Just a normal remark blown out of proportion.

 

[Big Mac]

I'm unsure what you mean with "blacky", we don't have an equivalent word to what you might refer to as "blacky". If you're referring to something offensive, we have plenty. However, calling a black person black, as was stated originally in the OP, is not racist at all.

I meant what I typed.

Is it OK to say, in English, "Oi Blacky!" at a black person?

 

[Saj]

Match Refree is Ranjan Madugalle

Might go in Sarf's favour.

Had it been Broad or Boon........

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

This might spark some real conversation.

 

[leg-side-flick]

I'm unsure what you mean with "blacky", we don't have an equivalent word to what you might refer to as "blacky". If you're referring to something offensive, we have plenty. However, calling a black person black, as was stated originally in the OP, is not racist at all.

Black in Urdu means ****, so by saying *****, he referred to him as, Hey you black man..... We do it day in and day out in South Asia but with friends n relatives....

So Mr Captain has been a real daft but I don't think he was racist, I can also bet that he might not even know what racisim means....

That brings me to another question, can you be a racist without knowing what racisim means, pretty similar to being a liberal without knowing what it actually is

 

[Ozymandiasza]

I meant what I typed.

Is it OK to say, in English, "Oi Blacky!" at a black person?

I've never heard anyone use the word "blacky" in my life. I would be unable to judge what it affects would be. Again, that was not what was said...

 

[ali2220]

In a way , Sarfraz can get banned and Rizwan with get a chance to play, which might be good for the team

 

[Balthazar]

He did not abused anyone.

His tone says otherwise. It's like he was looking down on him based on his skin colour.

 

[Birdman]

I'm unsure what you mean with "blacky", we don't have an equivalent word to what you might refer to as "blacky". If you're referring to something offensive, we have plenty. However, calling a black person black, as was stated originally in the OP, is not racist at all.

Either you are not getting this for real or you are just acting like you don't get it. When you address someone, do you think it is ok to address him by the color of his skin? If you respect someone as equal you would address him by his name or may be even by his profession. You wont ask a Black Man, "Hey B Guy, have you finished your lunch?"
You do not address someone by the color of their skin.

 

[in_cutter]

The softies will moan for years now. Just a normal remark blown out of proportion.

In this day & age, it’s not a normal comment.

 

[Theo_14]

Darren Sammy refers himself as ****, seen some footages in PSL locker rooms. I swear some people will make a issue out of everything. Pathetic.

 

[Markhor]

Who is Deputy - or PCB has gone back to keep their Captain comfortable again? This guy is bringing his street cricket antics to International games.

In Commonwealth countries, Test captain was treated like a diplomat; Queen used to invite the visiting team in Palace for a dinner ...... This guy doesn't have the knowledge what's the significance of the word "black" - that too in SAF!!!!!!! Education is required, otherwise in galli cricket people do call - langra, kana, khora, tera ....., but not when you are leading in International cricket. And, I am sure Bhakts will get under @Saj, for bringing this in focus.

Few weeks back there was a thread about the quality of PAK cricket - where it stands now; have seen some namuna today. From Fazal, Imran, Akram, Shoaib, Asif .... now Fahim Ashraf is opening bowling for PAK and from Kardar, Intekhab, Mazid, Asif, imran, Wasim, Misbah ..... Sarfraz is Captain.

PS: No personal grudge here - I would have made it even worse for any BD player through FaceBook.

Sarfraz fans rave about his on-field "aggression" but as we see in his press statements his brain has no control over the contents of mouth and doesn't know when to draw the line.

In 1977 when Mushtaq Mohammad's team toured Australia, skipper was aware, after the bruising (physical and verbal) they received on the last tour, of the need to stand up to the Aussies. The guys sledged the hell out of the Australians with the captain leading from the front.

After the series ended, and a creditable draw, Mushtaq went into Australian dressing room and had a drink with his opponents (unthinkable in today's age of "First of all thanks to Almighty" post-Zia inspired era). It's not just that Mushy was educated but he was socially intelligent with stints in County and WSC, and experienced different environments.

With Sarfraz it's not just a lack of education. Not many of our guys play overseas in these leagues and gain awareness of different cultures and understand social norms in different part of the worlds. So you see Sarfraz with this galli mohalla language.

I'd have thought PSL would've helped in this regard, but some leopards don't change their spots.

 

[BreadPakoda]

I've never heard anyone use the word "blacky" in my life. I would be unable to judge what it affects would be. Again, that was not what was said...

As I mentioned earlier its a term used in the subcontinent to refer to people with dark completion in a derogatory way.

 

[Hasan123]

To all those posters defending Sarfraz, ask yourself would you refer to a coloured person as black man or white man at work or in public? Do you think that’s an appropriate way to call someone?


Also posters saying this is common in Asia, we are playing in South Africa. Do you think they call people by the colour of their skin? Furthermore imagine if Phehlukwayo is offended, what would posters say then? Oh it’s common to call people black man . You don’t refer to people on sporting pitches by the colour of their skin on national Television. Whilst you may not think this is an issue, the people of South Africa and around the world may see this as a big issue.

 

[Theo_14]

90% of the PP’ers on here have described new borns in their family or extended family as:

“Ma sha Allah is ka rang bohot Go-ra ha.”

Should we stop using the word N word as well then? Should we stop referring foreigners as G?

Don’t tell me its fine because its used in the correct context - because same one can argue that the N word is fine because its used in songs etc.

Same people arguing what Sarfraz did is racist - probably think G is Ok to say.

Bottom line is Sarfraz was not racist.