[AUDIO/VIDEO] Sarfaraz Ahmed's derogatory comments to Andile Phehlukwayo...

[Swashbuckler]

More than being racist (still unsure of the exact context/tone because I am unfamiliar with the language) I guess he was being a simpleton, he isn't the brightest tool out there and his social skills are not developed. Ban would be harsh but he needs to publicly apologize. Also some stern words by PCB higher ups is necessary here, can't expect this from a national captain. I won't be surprised if he gets a small ban but I really don't think we should blow this out of proportion.

And we South Asians need to introspect, what Sarfraz said today is commonplace in our societies. We are the first to cry racism but we ourselves haven't changed with time. What Sarfraz exhibited was just a manifestation of our societal faults and unluckily for him he was caught red handed.

 

[Ozymandiasza]

Dude again, you are fooling no one here. I have seen a lot on online forums. There are a lot of racists using the very same template you do. On moderated forum they will pretend and their biggest method is trying to downplay such incidents and justify. When they go back.to their safe places like reddit they will spout complete racism. It's like a template you follow.

Many pakistani and indian posters will not understand the gravity of what sarfraz said as causal racism is common here and we are far away from seeing the actual impact racism had on countries like South Africa. However your downplaying is all pretence, you know exactly what you are doing

Yes, I'm such a racist right-wing nazi, I've been coming to a Pakistani cricket forum for five years to be racist and I've never been banned. Maybe it's a conspiracy, or you're just wrong...

 

[Mamoon]

In 2019, no matter what you say or do, there will always be someone to apologise for you. This whole bickering of whether Sarfraz was racist or not is pointless. He said something that he should not have, and he needs to face the consequences.

This is a good opportunity for PCB to gain some credibility and generate some goodwill. In recent years, it has done itself no favours with its shameless support for match-fixers and chuckers as well as getting owned by BCCI on various fronts. For once, PCB should man up and not wrongfully defend its player(s).

 

[JaDed]

More than being racist (still unsure of the exact context/tone because I am unfamiliar with the language) I guess he was being a simpleton, he isn't the brightest tool out there and his social skills are not developed. Ban would be harsh but he needs to publicly apologize. Also some stern words by PCB higher ups is necessary here, can't expect this from a national captain. I won't be surprised if he gets a small ban but I really don't think we should blow this out of proportion.

And we South Asians need to introspect, what Sarfraz said today is commonplace in our societies. We are the first to cry racism but we ourselves haven't changed with time. What Sarfraz exhibited was just a manifestation of our societal faults and unluckily for him he was caught red handed.

It's equivalent to the term mad rasi, not as bad as the n word but in that context it refers to color ,and contextually it's somewhat racist but again culturally he could be referring to him as a person of color because it's how he would refer to.a black person as well in the language.

I was called maidha maav by ppl in Chennai esp by corporation school kids, how do you perceive that? I didn't think it was racist and it didn't offfend me but did make.me feel slightly different by locals.

 

[KingKhanWC]

In 2019, no matter what you say or do, there will always be someone to apologise for you. This whole bickering of whether Sarfraz was racist or not is pointless. He said something that he should not have, and he needs to face the consequences.

This is a good opportunity for PCB to gain some credibility and generate some goodwill. In recent years, it has done itself no favours with its shameless support for match-fixers and chuckers as well as getting owned by BCCI on various fronts. For once, PCB should man up and not wrongfully defend its player(s).

Have the PCB made a comment on this?

PCB never supported fixers. No need to criticise them until this saga ends.

 

[Pakpak]

Have the PCB made a comment on this?

PCB never supported fixers. No need to criticise them until this saga ends.

Don't you understand, this kind of news to people of his ilk and some of our neighbors is too delicious. Its time for them to come out of the woodwork and slate everything Pakistan to PCB to our society.

 

[Forum363]

In 2019, no matter what you say or do, there will always be someone to apologise for you. This whole bickering of whether Sarfraz was racist or not is pointless. He said something that he should not have, and he needs to face the consequences.

This is a good opportunity for PCB to gain some credibility and generate some goodwill. In recent years, it has done itself no favours with its shameless support for match-fixers and chuckers as well as getting owned by BCCI on various fronts. For once, PCB should man up and not wrongfully defend its player(s).

Actually quite the opposite. In 2019, no matter what you say, there will be someone who will find a way to be offended by it. ‘Oh there are toilets for men and women. I identify as gender fluid and this notion deeply offensive.’

As for this specific scenario. I believe the context of what is said, is always more important than the actual words use. I often jokingly swear at my friends. If I said the same words in the same tone to a stranger, it would likely cause great offence.

Similarly, black people often use the n word to refer to each other. Ofcourse they are not using it to be racist and so it is not offensive. In this scenario, Sarfaraz used kaala to identify a player, in the same way as many of us use ****. In no way was his comment or intention in regards to his appearance. That much is clear. He did not say or imply anything derogatory. I can imagine if the same scenario was with the opposite batsman and he said a comment about the **** being very lucky. I doubt there would be as much uproar, but the context would have been the same.

 

[Savak]

I think any inquiry will focus on the intent behind the comments. Was it made in ignorance lightheartedly or was there a real mallafide intent to hurt the other person

 

[nextover666666]

Not acceptable for so many reasons

One your the team captain

Two your an international cricketer representing your country such comments shouldn't be made

Three your a man of color your self

Four apprently he is hafiz Quran ( someone who memorize the Quran) such a person should never speak like that

 

[Aman]

Is Kaala offensive? It's just describing him.

The mother part seems to be a sledge.

 

[Major]

He is a human being and not a skin color. Reducing people to skin color is the definition of racism. Desis are very very racist but in a global world there is no excuse for ignorance. Racist are despised the world over

lol bro give it a rest.

You really think logic works for pakistani fans?

THe fan boys will defend any act of sarfraz. They will justify racism now.

 

[Aman]

Or you just don't understand.

If you told Faf, "Hey, white guy, what's for lunch?". Do you think he would take offence? Why should Andile take offence to being call black guy with luck? He is a black guy (with luck).

Your outrage culture is pathetic.

If a black man said 'hey white boy, where's your momma at?"

People would have found humor in it

I hate outrage culture so much, I don't think he meant anything by it. He was sledging and called him black to describe him.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Don't you understand, this kind of news to people of his ilk and some of our neighbors is too delicious. Its time for them to come out of the woodwork and slate everything Pakistan to PCB to our society.

It's a shame as we can differences of opinion but should try to support the nation and it's citizens. Sarfraz isn't a bad person and neither is the PCB a board who will defend all types of cheating and broken rules. The team has worked extremely hard for the last decade playing away from home, trying to give us fans some joy by doing their best. If it was constructive criticism it would be understandable but too many just want Paksitan cricket to go into Abyss only due to some sort of hate.

 

[JaDed]

Don't you understand, this kind of news to people of his ilk and some of our neighbors is too delicious. Its time for them to come out of the woodwork and slate everything Pakistan to PCB to our society.

The guy whom you are replying has.many posts in Hardik Pandya thread , that also has many replies from Indianfan, who has overreacted on both threads but at least he is consistent unlike the one you are replying to.

 

[QuickCrick]

Soo many people going overboard, it wasn’t malicious so a slap on the wrist would suffice.

 

[Aman]

Not acceptable for so many reasons

One your the team captain

Two your an international cricketer representing your country such comments shouldn't be made

Three your a man of color your self

Four apprently he is hafiz Quran ( someone who memorize the Quran) such a person should never speak like that

That makes it even funnier, Sarfraz is dark skinned himself. So not quite sure why this is being blown out of proportion.

Soo many people going overboard, it wasn’t malicious so a slap on the wrist would suffice.

Does that mean using the word white (in punjabi which is common) is punishable too? Where does it stop...

 

[YousafTheBeast]

PCB needs to make a statement ASAP!!!

They should be trying to protect the image of Pakistan and Pakistan cricket which is already not that great.

Send a message to our players that there’s no tolerance for racism, and send Sarfaraz back home because it could get nasty if he’s playing the next game, and it’ll be a major security threat to the rest of the team if Sarfaraz is with the team.

This stupid incident will possibly have an effect on our players too, as they’ll be getting a lot of stick from the supporters due to an act of an individual.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

Need a ban of at least 5 matches to set the record straight.

 

[Savak]

PCB needs to make a statement ASAP!!!

They should be trying to protect the image of Pakistan and Pakistan cricket which is already not that great.

Send a message to our players that there’s no tolerance for racism, and send Sarfaraz back home because it could get nasty if he’s playing the next game, and it’ll be a major security threat to the rest of the team if Sarfaraz is with the team.

This stupid incident will possibly have an effect on our players too, as they’ll be getting a lot of stick from the supporters due to an act of an individual.

For starters Sarfaraz should issue a public apology via statement, video and also apologize to the player in question explaining whatever happened was a moment of irresponsibility and ignorance on his part.

 

[QuickCrick]

That makes it even funnier, Sarfraz is dark skinned himself. So not quite sure why this is being blown out of proportion.

Does that mean using the word white (in punjabi which is common) is punishable too? Where does it stop...

Slap on the wrist is not a punishment just a quite word.

I’m sure some people will see the harm but I can’t see it. I have quite a diverse group of friends and our banter is mostly based on ripping into each other’s background.

 

[Saj]

Have the PCB made a comment on this?

PCB never supported fixers. No need to criticise them until this saga ends.

Nothing yet from PCB or ICC.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Nothing yet from PCB or ICC.

Thanks

Its interesting when Andrew Gale abused Ashwell Prince the ECB supported him, suggesting it wasn't malicious. Lets see if the PCB do the same.

 

[fitCricFan]

This is below the belt. Sledging is one thing but abusing another player, that too in a language that he/she can't understand or comprhend is malicious.

Good opportunity to get rid of this underperformer. Give him the boot

 

[Aman]

Slap on the wrist is not a punishment just a quite word.

I’m sure some people will see the harm but I can’t see it. I have quite a diverse group of friends and our banter is mostly based on ripping into each other’s background.

Same here, one of my friends has been nicknamed kalaa by his family and everyone calls him that

 

[Wahid1234]

Lol what a guy coudn't help but just laugh. Captain saab needs to concentrate on his batting rather than sledging.

 

[Shaka81]

A lot of ignorance in what Sarfraz did and a lot of ignorance now being shown by people trying to defend him. Racism needs to be eliminated from all levels of society and Sarfraz needs to face a ban and being stripped of the captaincy so that sets the standard that racism isn't tolerated.

 

[Pete Rose]

I won’t say my thinking is evolving but I am struggling with a few issues. First is language: I think beyond English, there’s not enough nuance or depth to describe peoples physical attributes:
- the urdu word for black is siah faam or habshi: siah faam means of black hue and habshi also means black but derives its origin from Abyssinian slaves - since they were largely black.
- so if you wanted to say that Obama is the first black president : it’s sounds ungainly in Urdu.
- looking at what Sarfaraz said on the one hand it’s probably right and convenient to say he was racist (probably unwittingly)
- the question is which part is racist, him using the word ‘kaala’ as opposed to calling him siyah faam? That doesn’t make it sound any better and it’s too proper to be a flippant comment
- I suppose the only way to avoid this would have been to say ‘banda’ vs ‘kaala’ : which would mean literally this guy.... the whole sentence

 

[QuickCrick]

Same here, one of my friends has been nicknamed kalaa by his family and everyone calls him that

Exactly! We all have racial banter whether it’s at work or with friends. It is accepted in diversity societies and it seems the only people offended are the ones that live in a box.

The one thing I will say is that he should have used caution as he is a public figure representing his country but that is all this story is worth.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

For starters Sarfaraz should issue a public apology via statement, video and also apologize to the player in question explaining whatever happened was a moment of irresponsibility and ignorance on his part.

He should also donate his earnings from this tour to a charity in SA which may make things better, that’s something I’d do personally if I was in that situation.

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

Nothing happened to Harbajhan for abusing Symonds so I expect the same result here.

 

[Aman]

Those offended by the word, what are you thoughts on Indian and Pakistani players using white (hindi).

 

[Hasan123]

Same here, one of my friends has been nicknamed kalaa by his family and everyone calls him that

So you would walk up to someone you don't know and say "hey black man "?

 

[Aman]

So you would walk up to someone you don't know and say "hey black man "?

I wouldn't but kaley is a slang term used a lot. If I were dark skinned, I could say something like it... black/dark skinned men actually do that using the n word....

 

[Hasan123]

I wouldn't but kaley is a slang term used a lot. If I were dark skinned, I could say something like it... black men actually do that using the n word....

I am not on about what black men call each other.

You don't call someone you don't know to their face "hey black man "

What he said after was poor sledging. My main anger is what he said before that. And whilst you may see this as a joke, I don't think all black men will .

 

[Aman]

I am not on about what black men call each other.

You don't call someone you don't know to their face "hey black man "

What skin color is Sarfraz and how has what he said offensive.

Is he not black (Andile)? Do you think what he said was offensive and intended to insult or hurt?

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Those who're trying to defend Sarfraz will normalize this kind of trash racist behaviour. People from subcontinent are extremely ignorant regarding this issue, Sarfraz needs to be punished harshly to set an example.

 

[Aman]

Those who're trying to defend Sarfraz will normalize this kind of trash racist behaviour. People from subcontinent are extremely ignorant regarding this issue, Sarfraz needs to be punished harshly to set an example.

You literally want a dark skinned man to be punished for calling another dark skinned player black

 

[Hasan123]

What skin color is Sarfraz and how has what he said offensive.

Is he not black (Andile)? Do you think what he said was offensive and intended to insult or hurt?

Because you don't refer to someone as black on national tv. He has a name why not just call him that and make your stupid sledge. Why does he need to say"black?

I don't think it was racist . I think it was stupid and it could be offensive to a black person. He is just a little uneducated and should not be Pakistan captain. He lacks the communication even when speaking in his own language,doesn't make the team on merit, has no tactical nouse,and embrassing fitness levels ,and can't lead through performance. He has no business capataining Pakistan.

 

[iPakistani]

Those who're trying to defend Sarfraz will normalize this kind of trash racist behaviour. People from subcontinent are extremely ignorant regarding this issue, Sarfraz needs to be punished harshly to set an example.

Yes people from the subcontinent are trying to justify his words in this thread. What he said was completely wrong and if this happened in any major sport it would be dealt with very harshly.

 

[Aman]

I hope people stand up against outrage culture, these days people just need a reason to complain and drag others through the mud.

If there was actual intent to insult and harm based on race, no one would be defending him and would want the book thrown at Sarfraz.

 

[iPakistani]

Because you don't refer to someone as black on national tv. He has a name why not just call him that and make your stupid sledge. Why does he need to say"black?

I don't think it was racist . I think it was stupid and it could be offensive to a black person. He is just a little uneducated and should not be Pakistan captain. He lacks the communication even when speaking in his own language,doesn't make the team on merit, has no tactical nouse,and embrassing fitness levels ,and can't lead through performance. He has no business capataining Pakistan.

I think the guy is trolling you surely he can't be that stupid?

 

[K4Kohli]

There is a clear cultural difference here. We've had clear colour classifications in South Africa for decades. Calling someone black, in the connotation I read it in, and the exact word that was used, I do not see as racist.

I understand the confusion here and like u said it is caused because of the cultural difference. In your country/place, if some one calls the other a black ie /black man, it might not be an offense. But AFAIK in India atleast it is taken as a racist remark which is the reason some of the Indian posters are against it. But I see some pakistani posters saying that it is used quite often in Pakistan, so it might not be a racist/derogatory remark in Pakistan as well. To judge whether or not Sarfaraz has to be punished or not, it basically down to how the word is considered in Pakistan.

 

[Hasan123]

I think the guy is trolling you surely he can't be that stupid?

Apparently it's acceptable to go up to black people and call them "black man or black woman" and just forget they have actual names!!!

 

[Aman]

I understand the confusion here and like u said it is caused because of the cultural difference. In your country/place, if some one calls the other a black ie /black man, it might not be an offense. But AFAIK in India atleast it is taken as a racist remark which is the reason some of the Indian posters are against it. But I see some pakistani posters saying that it is used quite often in Pakistan, so it might not be a racist/derogatory remark in Pakistan as well. To judge whether or not Sarfaraz has to be punished or not, it basically down to how the word is considered in Pakistan.

What happens from now on when a Indian/Pakistani keeper uses the word white? Does he get the same treatment?

 

[QuickCrick]

Because you don't refer to someone as black on national tv. He has a name why not just call him that and make your stupid sledge. Why does he need to say"black?

I don't think it was racist . I think it was stupid and it could be offensive to a black person. He is just a little uneducated and should not be Pakistan captain. He lacks the communication even when speaking in his own language,doesn't make the team on merit, has no tactical nouse,and embrassing fitness levels ,and can't lead through performance. He has no business capataining Pakistan.

So are you saying that if it was another player then it would be acceptable?

 

[Aman]

Apparently it's acceptable to go up to black people and call them "black man or black woman" and just forget they have actual names!!!

Way to take things out of context, for me it's not appropriate as I'm not dark skinned.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

It was a silly and racist comment to make. But I don’t think Sarfaraz is a racist, he’s just a bit thick and needs to think before he opens his mouth.

 

[Aman]

So are you saying that if it was another player then it would be acceptable?

Dude, I want the same reaction when a desi player uses the word white again on the cricket field.

 

[iPakistani]

What happens from now on when a Indian/Pakistani keeper uses the word white? Does he get the same treatment?

Yes they do.

 

[jnaveen1980]

I hope people stand up against outrage culture, these days people just need a reason to complain and drag others through the mud.

If there was actual intent to insult and harm based on race, no one would be defending him and would want the book thrown at Sarfraz.

Then do what? stand up for "ignorance culture"? Ignorance is not an excuse. Be it is ball tampering or spot fixing or referring another man by his color. "I didn't mean to" "Back where i am from this is not a big deal" excuses are not going to fly in this era. India has suspended two guys pending enquiry for a tasteless interview off the ground. This is much worse. Don't say he should be suspended. Least that they should do is reprimanding him.

 

[Hasan123]

So are you saying that if it was another player then it would be acceptable?

No player should be calling anyone "black man" is so and so. I never said any other player should get away with it.

I never ever said that. Stop making stuff up. I have seen you don't think it's a big issue . I don't believe it was racist but it was a stupid and potentially offensive comment.

 

[ManFan]

Apparently it's acceptable to go up to black people and call them "black man or black woman" and just forget they have actual names!!!

Black man is different from specific derogatory words which are intended to hurt the individual.

This is a case of confusing description for racism.

Was it uncalled for? Yes.

Was it idiotic and a complete brain fade? Yes.

Was it malice intent? No.

 

[Hasan123]

Dude, I want the same reaction when a desi player uses the word white again on the cricket field.

As long as they don't start by saying "white man is" . And no Indian player is this dumb to make such a statement. They can actually communicate better than this.

 

[Aman]

Yes they do.

Why was this a non issue before? It's likely the words white have been used a lot more than kalaa. I've heard it in the stump mics plenty of times and not once was it brought up as an issue by anyone.

 

[rhony]

Dude, I want the same reaction when a desi player uses the word white again on the cricket field.

If they call another player " hey white man" then yeah. You'll get the same reaction.

 

[Hasan123]

Black man is different from specific derogatory words which are intended to hurt the individual.

This is a case of confusing description for racism.

Was it uncalled for? Yes.

Was it idiotic and a complete brain fade? Yes.

Was it malice intent? No.

Omg I have said it is not rasict. The point I'm trying to make is that it is not appropriate to call someone this on a cricket field.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

Pathetic language use by Sarfraz here. I personally hate it when people use kaalay, gooray, motay in their conversation. Distasteful!

But seeing the comments here i can easily say most here havent lived in Pakistan and/or Urdu is not their first language. We use these kaalay, gooray etc things in our daily conversation like it or not. Like if someone goes abroad to study his friends and even relatives will ask him "gori sai shadi to nai krni", kisi gori ko pata lo etc Doesnt mean racist. Similarly Africans are refered to as gooray in daily conversation. Sarfraz used Urdu and if it was to insult the player he would have called him the N word or could have used English. I can even bet that 99% of those who have lived in Pakistan and have Urdu as their first language have used kaalay, gooray words atleast once in their lifetime during conversations.

Still totally unacceptable and on tv when world is watching you. Plus the sad part is to say to a person on his face even though he doesn't understand. And even if it was light hearted that was very unclassy.

 

[K4Kohli]

What happens from now on when a Indian/Pakistani keeper uses the word white? Does he get the same treatment?

Any word white/black, if it is considered as an insult in real life, it means that it is derogatory. So the answer is "is using the word white, consided as an insult in India/Pakistan"

 

[ManFan]

Omg I have said it is not rasict. The point I'm trying to make is that it is not appropriate to call someone this on a cricket field.

It is not racist; I agree.

But you said it was “potentially offensive” to Phehlukwayo.

Has he expressed distress to his teammates, the dressing room, Pakistani administration, the media, etc?

If the “victim” does not feel harm, why should the alleged “victimizer” be punished?

 

[Barragan]

If he used the word "abhay goraa", would it still be considered racist?

Afaik, this is the way you talk about a black or white person by saying "kalaa" or "goraa" in Pakistan.

Don't think it is racist.

 

[JaDed]

Then do what? stand up for "ignorance culture"? Ignorance is not an excuse. Be it is ball tampering or spot fixing or referring another man by his color. "I didn't mean to" "Back where i am from this is not a big deal" excuses are not going to fly in this era. India has suspended two guys pending enquiry for a tasteless interview off the ground. This is much worse. Don't say he should be suspended. Least that they should do is reprimanding him.

Hilarious , although tbf he is right to certain extent, I mean Happy holidays over Merry Christmas cmonn! People kind??

 

[Hasan123]

It is not racist; I agree.

But you said it was “potentially offensive” to Phehlukwayo.

Has he expressed distress to his teammates, the dressing room, Pakistani administration, the media, etc?

If the “victim” does not feel harm, why should the alleged “victimizer” be punished?

He could be offended we don't know that. But let's just say he isn't, your telling me that there won't be a single black person in the world who might not be ?

 

[QuickCrick]

No player should be calling anyone "black man" is so and so. I never said any other player should get away with it.

I never ever said that. Stop making stuff up. I have seen you don't think it's a big issue . I don't believe it was racist but it was a stupid and potentially offensive comment.

Your comment was confusing.. Why did you link his performance and captaincy with this?

 

[light]

For all the people that's trying to defend this idiot and saying this guy was not trying to be racist, sit back and think about it this way. Which white player in SA team did he reffer to as the term/color "white"? Only choose to reffer to the black player as "kaala". If you still think there was no ill intention behind that term, you're blind. Plain and simple.

 

[Hasan123]

Your comment was confusing.. Why did you link his performance and captaincy with this?

This is an example of why he shouldn't be captain. He lacks brains and lacks communication. Even take away the start of the sentence. His attempted sledge is pretty poor and something you would hear in street cricket.

 

[ManFan]

He could be offended we don't know that. But let's just say he isn't, your telling me that there won't be a single black person in the world who might not be ?

Why should it be about all black people when it was directed at one individual?

If it was specifically making crude jokes at the expense of his skin color than potentially yes.

But a casual remark from an ill-informed buffoon who describes his own teammates shot selection as “Pathan-waley shots”, is pushing it.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Disgusting

 

[light]

He could be offended we don't know that. But let's just say he isn't, your telling me that there won't be a single black person in the world who might not be ?

He definitely did use it with the intention of judgemental purpose (might be racist, might be not - but the kaala was used here in ill intention). In no way or form am I defending Safraz here but you do realize that anything you do/say will offend someone in the world. You can't please anyone. We live in a world full off snowflakes these days. Even the smallest thing will trigger people in mass

 

[Hasan123]

Why should it be about all black people when it was directed at one individual?

If it was specifically making crude jokes at the expense of his skin color than potentially yes.

But a casual remark from an ill-informed buffoon who describes his own teammates shot selection as “Pathan-waley shots”, is pushing it.

Does it look good that he even thinks this acceptable to say the comment ? Furthermore it isn't aimed at all black men of course but if they see the comment , what will they think ? Some will be offered wheather they think it's aimed at them or not.

 

[Hasan123]

He definitely did use it with the intention of judgemental purpose (might be racist, might be not - but the kaala was used here in ill intention). In no way or form am I defending Safraz here but you do realize that anything you do/say will offend someone in the world. You can't please anyone. We live in a world full off snowflakes these days. Even the smallest thing will trigger people in mass

That's why he should have kept his mouth shut if he had nothing intelligent to say.

Even the attempted sledge was pathetic.

 

[ManFan]

Does it look good that he even thinks this acceptable to say the comment ? Furthermore it isn't aimed at all black men of course but if they see the comment , what will they think ? Some will be offered wheather they think it's aimed at them or not.

If you attempt to please everyone, you end up pleasing no one. If an outlier is pleased or offended, it is not for him to decide the consensus of the group.

It certainly is bad press if you’re asking me that and we will never see another cricketer who has not the slightest sense in the world be made captain.

But this is the PCB, so you never know!

 

[jnaveen1980]

This is an example of why he shouldn't be captain. He lacks brains and lacks communication. Even take away the start of the sentence. His attempted sledge is pretty poor and something you would hear in street cricket.

His treatment of his own players is not exactly great. Throwing his fast bowlers undert the bus, criticizing his players on the spot after every mistake. This guy is opposite of Asif Iqbal lol

 

[ManFan]

That's why he should have kept his mouth shut if he had nothing intelligent to say.

Even the attempted sledge was pathetic.

Sledging is so often used to make nasty remarks when it should really just be a way to distract the opponent.

Unfortunately, not many can achieve this without having to resort to trash.

 

[Aman]

Any word white/black, if it is considered as an insult in real life, it means that it is derogatory. So the answer is "is using the word white, consided as an insult in India/Pakistan"

Okay,
the next time that word is used, I hope to see the same reaction from you and others.

 

[Hasan123]

Sledging is so often used to make nasty remarks when it should really just be a way to distract the opponent.

Unfortunately, not many can achieve this without having to resort to trash.

Pant sledging Paine was what you call good sledging.

 

[fitCricFan]

You literally want a dark skinned man to be punished for calling another dark skinned player black

In case you missed, its Brown vs Black, just for the record. The context of Sarfraz's comments is important. Its not like our kaptaaan and Andile are best buddies where anything and everything goes and no one bats an eyelid. Sarfraz's comments were made on National TV trying on Andile race refering to Andile's mother. I bet if Andile understood what was said, we would have been reading another story.

Sarfraz probably said that to break Andile's concentration but it was crass. What Sarfraz does in private is his own business and no one should care. But when he is wearing our national colors, representing our country, he needs to be uphold that responsibility, with dignity and needs to be held accountable.

Does anyone know how this has played in SA's press?

 

[Hasan123]

His treatment of his own players is not exactly great. Throwing his fast bowlers undert the bus, criticizing his players on the spot after every mistake. This guy is opposite of Asif Iqbal lol

He can find every fault in his team but none in himself.

 

[QuickCrick]

This is an example of why he shouldn't be captain. He lacks brains and lacks communication. Even take away the start of the sentence. His attempted sledge is pretty poor and something you would hear in street cricket.

Thanks for clarifying because that’s not how it came across, seemed more of an agenda against Sarfraz then about the incident it self.

 

[Hasan123]

Thanks for clarifying because that’s not how it came across, seemed more of an agenda against Sarfraz then about the incident it self.

No agenda. I have given my reasons why I don't want Sarfraz as captain and I have said it won't turn us into world beaters . But it's no reason to keep him as captain when he isn't good enough.

 

[ManFan]

Pant sledging Paine was what you call good sledging.

Yes.

But an even better example is Flintoff to Tino Best.