[AUDIO/VIDEO] Sarfaraz Ahmed's derogatory comments to Andile Phehlukwayo...

[Major]

I’m never mates with the spawn of corruption.

You are not living in a white country, as a minority, so your idea and notion of racism is down right ignorant. You are a brown guy who lives in a brown majority country.

Stop pretending you do not use the same language as Sarfraz, or never have.

A black guy calling a black guy the N word is not racist either - as there is no discrimination within the same race.

A brown guy calling a brown guy the P word is not racist either - as there is no discrimination within the same race.

A white guy calling a white guy the H word is not racist either - as there is no discrimination within the same race.

All backed by UK legal precedence.

Sarfraz didnt call the guy the N word, and the N word and the word black DO NOT mean the same thing.

Stop coming out with nonsense and save your 5 second irrelevant hypothetical when asking me to call a black guy the N word, when this is not even the point.

Thats the trouble with the spawn of corruption, they buy an education, never study for it, then pretend they have an understanding of the world.

Good night.

From wherever you spawned from. They should get your eyes checked.

If symonds was white for you, than god forbid where else you must have messed up.

Like i said, your justifications are lame go use the n word and you learn a lesson what is racist and what is not

 

[LordJames]

I’m never mates with the spawn of corruption.

You are not living in a white country, as a minority, so your idea and notion of racism is down right ignorant. You are a brown guy who lives in a brown majority country.

Stop pretending you do not use the same language as Sarfraz, or never have.

A black guy calling a black guy the N word is not racist either - as there is no discrimination within the same race.

A brown guy calling a brown guy the P word is not racist either - as there is no discrimination within the same race.

A white guy calling a white guy the H word is not racist either - as there is no discrimination within the same race.

All backed by UK legal precedence.

Sarfraz didnt call the guy the N word, and the N word and the word black DO NOT mean the same thing.

Stop coming out with nonsense and save your 5 second irrelevant hypothetical when asking me to call a black guy the N word, when this is not even the point.

Thats the trouble with the spawn of corruption, they buy an education, never study for it, then pretend they have an understanding of the world.

Good night.

But in the culture in which Sarfaraz operates calling someone "Black" is not a term of endearment, is it? Sarfaraz knows that its a derogatory term and he meant it to be disrespectful. In Sarfaraz's world its the same as the "N" word.

 

[topspin]

I know what he said and who he said and the context he said it in, if you didn't read it or didn't witness it, how do you the intent behind it? Its absurd of you to assume something without reading it

Bringing up someone's belief is not insulting at all. Someone is a Muslim or a Hindu or Christian or Atheist or whatever, merely bringing it up isn't problematic in any world.

Because this isn't the first time I've read this from him. I didn't assume anything when this was first mentioned on TP. I actually gave him the benefit of the doubt and assumed the best of him because his English isn't the best.

But this has now happened twice.

Since you are adamant that this cannot be racism, please explain why Major is justified in bringing up Rana's religious beliefs? It's quite obvious that he said it to Rana because of his minority demographic and because Ahmadi's are persecuted in Pakistan. He knows exactly what he is doing and the fact that you condone this makes you complicit.

 

[Technics 1210]

But in the culture in which Sarfaraz operates calling someone "Black" is not a term of endearment, is it? Sarfaraz knows that its a derogatory term and he meant it to be disrespectful. In Sarfaraz's world its the same as the "N" word.

In the same culture a lot is said about white people too, does this mean in his world when he says “gora” to a white Saffa/Eng/Aus player, it has the meaning as the H word? And whats to say Sarfraz didn’t mean the N word, but actually his intentions was to call him a monkey? See how this works? We’d be here for days if we want to assume what Sarfraz was thinking in his world.

Sarfraz said black - it was very crass and disrespectful, and unprofessional - but this is as far as the episode goes, and went, he apologised, but if people want to conflate this term with the N word and make a further hoo-haa out of it, then go for it.

 

[Technics 1210]

Referring to someone as "dark" in the Indian/Pakistani context has negative and insulting while referring to someone as "fair skinned" is not and it is a compliment. Listen to first words out of "Warina Hussain's" mouth

Sarfaraz made a mistake and has apologized. Indians on the other hand have doubled down on "Monkey-gate" and are pathetic so I agree from that perspective.

Calling a black person black is different to calling the same person a monkey, the later being racist and this IF a non-black person says it!

Precisely why Baji had to lie to cover up his comment, whereas Sarfraz accepted his comment and punishment.

 

[LordJames]

Calling a black person black is different to calling the same person a monkey, the later being racist and this IF a non-black person says it!

Precisely why Baji had to lie to cover up his comment, whereas Sarfraz accepted his comment and punishment.

Agreed.

Sarafaraz was wrong, apologized and moved on.

Indians doubled down are pathetic due to their behavior.

Wait who in cloud cuckoo land is saying that highlighting a religious affiliation is racist? This world has gone bonkers..

It is intentional dog whistle from a person who didn't witness what was written but is stoking the fire deliberately.

As far as @Major is concerned yes we have severe disagreements but it shouldn't prevent us from witnessing and speaking the truth, he didn't imply any insult at all.

[4:135] O believers! Stand firm for justice as witnesses for Allah even if it is against yourselves, your parents, or close relatives. Be they rich or poor, Allah is best to ensure their interests. So do not let your desires cause you to deviate ˹from justice˺. If you distort the testimony or refuse to give it, then ˹know that˺ Allah is certainly All-Aware of what you do.

As far as the Imran Khan issue is concerned, lets continue the dialogue. At the end of the day its a political difference and does not make @Major any less of a man or deem worthy of disrespect...

Same for @Mamoon or @RizwanT20Champ or anyone else, we have disagreements and they may be severe but they all deserve respect as humans.

 

[Rana]

Agreed.

Sarafaraz was wrong, apologized and moved on.

Indians doubled down are pathetic due to their behavior.


It is intentional dog whistle from a person who didn't witness what was written but is stoking the fire deliberately.

As far as @Major is concerned yes we have severe disagreements but it shouldn't prevent us from witnessing and speaking the truth, he didn't imply any insult at all.

[4:135] O believers! Stand firm for justice as witnesses for Allah even if it is against yourselves, your parents, or close relatives. Be they rich or poor, Allah is best to ensure their interests. So do not let your desires cause you to deviate ˹from justice˺. If you distort the testimony or refuse to give it, then ˹know that˺ Allah is certainly All-Aware of what you do.

As far as the Imran Khan issue is concerned, lets continue the dialogue. At the end of the day its a political difference and does not make @Major any less of a man or deem worthy of disrespect...

Same for @Mamoon or @RizwanT20Champ or anyone else, we have disagreements and they may be severe but they all deserve respect as humans.

You seem to have your head stuck in the sand Lord James (I’m saying it in a nice way).

Do you think it’s ok to tell a person that they should not be racist because of their religious affiliation?

You seem like a decent respectful bloke. But don’t be playing games here pal.

 

[topspin]

It is intentional dog whistle from a person who didn't witness what was written but is stoking the fire deliberately.

Excuse me?

Wow I’m just lost for words. You are slandering me and at the same time preaching everyone to follow the teachings found from a verse in the Quran.

I don’t mind this. At least your hypocrisy is here for everyone to see.

 

[Greenstorm]

I’ll say it again.

I think cricketers from KPK are chokers. Not every single one of them, but a good majority of them…and especially when they represent as a unit. They choke.

So what now? I’m a racist? @Major

What makes you think that ?

 

[Major]

Agreed.

Sarafaraz was wrong, apologized and moved on.

Indians doubled down are pathetic due to their behavior.


It is intentional dog whistle from a person who didn't witness what was written but is stoking the fire deliberately.

As far as @Major is concerned yes we have severe disagreements but it shouldn't prevent us from witnessing and speaking the truth, he didn't imply any insult at all.

[4:135] O believers! Stand firm for justice as witnesses for Allah even if it is against yourselves, your parents, or close relatives. Be they rich or poor, Allah is best to ensure their interests. So do not let your desires cause you to deviate ˹from justice˺. If you distort the testimony or refuse to give it, then ˹know that˺ Allah is certainly All-Aware of what you do.

As far as the Imran Khan issue is concerned, lets continue the dialogue. At the end of the day its a political difference and does not make @Major any less of a man or deem worthy of disrespect...

Same for @Mamoon or @RizwanT20Champ or anyone else, we have disagreements and they may be severe but they all deserve respect as humans.

Fully agree man. I respect you for exposing the lies the two were spreading.

 

[mominsaigol]

What happened here ?

 

[BouncerGuy]

GUYS, PLEASE STAY ON TOPIC INSTEAD OF HAVING PERSONAL CONFLICTS AND BRINGING RELIGIONS HERE..

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Bro. Safraz defended what he said ij later podcasts and interviews and even thought it was funny and had to regrets for his comments.

The education program failed because he saw nothing wrong in what he did

That's very disappointing. You can tell he wasn't the most clever man but to say the comments away from the spotlight shows his low level. It also shows a problem with the media and podcast platforms in Pakistan that they allowed these comments to go unchallenged.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

What makes you think that ?

I don't agree that cricketers from KPK are all chokers but Imran was from Punjab

 

[Mamoon]

Sarfaraz is getting another bashing for what he did 6 years ago just because of what I rightly said yesterday? Oh dear.

 

[Rafale Nidhal]

Bro. Safraz defended what he said ij later podcasts and interviews and even thought it was funny and had to regrets for his comments.

The education program failed because he saw nothing wrong in what he did

which class or subject in Pakistan teaches to make racist comments?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

which class or subject in Pakistan teaches to make racist comments?

He undertook an education program from the ICC

 

[BouncerGuy]

I DON'T WANNA SEE ANY PERSONAL REMARKS AND COMMENTS NOW... WARNING FOR EVERYONE.

 

[Greenstorm]

I don't agree that cricketers from KPK are all chokers but Imran was from Punjab

Rana may not agree.

 

[Greenstorm]

I DON'T WANNA SEE ANY PERSONAL REMARKS AND COMMENTS NOW... WARNING FOR EVERYONE.

OK. You can delete my last comment.

 

[Rana]

Rana may not agree.

Imran Khan is Lahore elite class. He speaks proper Punjabi. He can use his Pashtoon ancestry for his political gain, but he’s a son of Lahore.

 

[Sachin fan]

Agreed.

Sarafaraz was wrong, apologized and moved on.

Indians doubled down are pathetic due to their behavior.


It is intentional dog whistle from a person who didn't witness what was written but is stoking the fire deliberately.

As far as @Major is concerned yes we have severe disagreements but it shouldn't prevent us from witnessing and speaking the truth, he didn't imply any insult at all.

[4:135] O believers! Stand firm for justice as witnesses for Allah even if it is against yourselves, your parents, or close relatives. Be they rich or poor, Allah is best to ensure their interests. So do not let your desires cause you to deviate ˹from justice˺. If you distort the testimony or refuse to give it, then ˹know that˺ Allah is certainly All-Aware of what you do.

As far as the Imran Khan issue is concerned, lets continue the dialogue. At the end of the day its a political difference and does not make @Major any less of a man or deem worthy of disrespect...

Same for @Mamoon or @RizwanT20Champ or anyone else, we have disagreements and they may be severe but they all deserve respect as humans.

Since you quoted religion, doesn't every religion say that all human beings are God's children? And if you are making fun of someone who is born with a certain skin color, then you are making fun of God.

You are not standing firm for justice, you are using religion to defend someone who is making fun of someone who was made that way, by God.