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Australia thrash India by 333 runs to win 1st Test within 3 days

Top performance by Aus batsmen and dismissal by our batsmen,hopefully we learn from this.
 
I'm wondering to think if Dhoni with DRS as a captain would had been more efficient in this series.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
I am really trying hard here but I find this bowling by O Keefe mediocre and Kohli got bowled.

He NEVER turned anything Kohli. Easy dead bat defense was all needed.

Jaddu bowled this same delivery 100 times and was defended with ease. :facepalm:
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Because the pitch creates variations and makes the ball turn. Except occasionaly they just go straight. Kohli had been playing for the spin the entire innings.

On this sort of pitch you're going to get out eventually like that - see Australia in Sri Lanka or Shaun Marsh this test.
 
Drreddymd said:
Why our bowlers tried to spin the ball instead of bowling darts is my problem?
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They weren't full enough which they deserve 100% blame.

But reality is we should have scored 250 in first innings (94-3 and collapsed due to useless slogs) and taken our catches in 2nd innings.

If we did that, we would be chasing 150-175 odd and this would be a close game and THEN we can blame our bats/spinners for not doing more.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Watching Jaddu and O keefe?

You really think O Keefe outbowled him?

Yeah he bowled slightly better lines but apart from that, look at the 2 dismissals.

Jaddu's straight balls were defended EVEN when he was spinning other deliveries. We are getting out to O Keefe even when he is not spinning anything.
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Yeah O'Keefe bowled much smarter than Jadeja

If all you have to do is bowl straight to get wickets then not bowling straight is poor bowling
 
I think both teams have gifted some wickets away. So this excuse that Indian batsmen are getting out to nonthreatening deliveries is a weak one.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Watching Jaddu and O keefe?

You really think O Keefe outbowled him?

Yeah he bowled slightly better lines but apart from that, look at the 2 dismissals.

Jaddu's straight balls were defended EVEN when he was spinning other deliveries. We are getting out to O Keefe even when he is not spinning anything.
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Jaddu bowled well.Better than Ash atleast.Maybe turned it too much lol.Jaddu wasnt getting his arm ball right,if one were to nitpick

Our batsmen have been poor no doubt.I'm okay with Steve Smith doing better but even Marsh and Starc batted more sensibly
 
Convict said:
Because the pitch creates variations and makes the ball turn. Except occasionaly they just go straight. Kohli had been playing for the spin the entire innings.

On this sort of pitch you're going to get out eventually like that - see Australia in Sri Lanka or Shaun Marsh this test.
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Shaun Marsh got out cos Ash was spinning other deliveries and he got flummoxed by the straighter one. Herath killed Aus with that.

That is HARD to play.

But O keefe is bowling straight, hardly spinning anything.

Bats have to do 3 things on this pitch:

1. Get forward for full deliveries
2. Get backward for short deliveries
3. Get forward and defend your bat in a way that NO spin/little spin gets defended while LOTS of spin results in beaten.

Now if O keefe had got any dismissals where the ball turned MORE than little spin but less than lots of spin...you can't blame the bats.

How many dismissals are there like that?

Big fat zero in this match.
 
Lyon comes in a bowls a murali like delivery. Massive turn.
 
Saurav said:
Exactly.Why would you leave when its not turning :facepalm:
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That's the judgement & understanding of which way the ball is going to turn & how much - add to that drift & angle of delivery (how close or far from the wicket ball is at release point, to judge that, they take guards at the start of innings as the stance for different player is not identical).

At highest level, this is done when the ball is in air & then use your feet to reach the pich of the ball so that one can kill the spin at half-volley with soft wrists - see some archives how Lara, Azhar, Gavaskar or Javed played spin. Modern greats does that from wicket - which is workable when you are batting on belters & 60 metre grounds; marvelous if you are in the class of Sanga, Virat, YK, Amla, even our Mushi .... . But, if there is lot for the spinners on the surface Ashwin, Jaddu, Miraz, Herath, O'Keefe .... all becomes same, so are ..........
 
On a rank turner, Indians giving wi met to a non spinning spinner.

A guy like Afridi could destroy any batting unit just because of the pace at which he bowls.
 
I think lyon has a very good chance of picking up wickets here. He is the ideal kind of off spinner for these conditions. Gets good turn.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Watching Jaddu and O keefe?

You really think O Keefe outbowled him?

Yeah he bowled slightly better lines but apart from that, look at the 2 dismissals.

Jaddu's straight balls were defended EVEN when he was spinning other deliveries. We are getting out to O Keefe even when he is not spinning anything.
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Jadeja didn't bowl the same kind of deliveries as O'Keefe. He was trying to bowl like a proper spinner and give it flight and get the ball to grip and turn miles when he should have been darting it in as quickly in the maner of a part-timer like Imad Wasim. Big spin from outside off stump is completely useless and that's what he did with far too many of his deliveries. They look good for the camera and get the commentators ooh-ing and aah-ing but they will never get you a wicket.

Like the ball O'Keefe just bowled, commentators going barmy with the turn and bounce but so what? You're never going to get anyone out when the ball pitches out there.

On this pitch you want as many deliveries as possible to hit the stumps, with the ball that turns past the outside edge as the variation but Jadeja did the opposite.
 
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Australia are just better than this Indian side.

They'd smash this same Indian side back home and have proven they're more than capable of hanging with India on turners.
 
Saurav said:
Jaddu bowled well.Better than Ash atleast.Maybe turned it too much lol.Jaddu wasnt getting his arm ball right,if one were to nitpick

Our batsmen have been poor no doubt.I'm okay with Steve Smith doing better but even Marsh and Starc batted more sensibly
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Jaddu wasn't full enough and couldn't get many to straighten in second innings as much as first. Aus bats were playing intentionally to get beaten on the big spin one.

Ashwin wasn't consistent enough in his threat.
 
Big Mac said:
Jadeja didn't bowl the same kind of deliveries as O'Keefe. He was trying to bowl like a proper spinner and give it flight and get the ball to grip and turn miles when he should have been darting it in as quickly in the maner of a part-timer like Imad Wasim. Spin from outside off stump is completely useless and that's what he did with far too many of his deliveries. They look good for the camera and get the commentators ooh-ing and aah-ing but they will never get you a wicket.

Like the ball O'Keefe just bowled, commentators going barmy with the turn and bounce but so what? You're never going to get anyone out when the ball pitches out there.

On this pitch you want as many deliveries as possible to hit the stumps, with the ball that turns past the outside edge as the variation but Jadeja did the opposite.
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I 100% agree with you.

All I am saying is O Keefe isn't doing enough with the ball to get wickets.

If he was turning a few well and getting the arm balls to destroy bats, then its a different issue.
 
Big Mac said:
How have they not worked out that the ball is just going straight? :))
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O'Keefe's mystery ball.

Kohli was playing for the one that doesn't turn but O'Keefe bowled the one that doesn't turn in the other direction instead.
 
Pujara may score big but it won't be enough

Have been proven wrong. I though a 4-0 was guaranteed and the only instance it won't be was if a match was drawn
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
I 100% agree with you.

All I am saying is O Keefe isn't doing enough with the ball to get wickets.

If he was turning a few well and getting the arm balls to destroy bats, then its a different issue.
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Look closer to home buddy... your batsmen just aren't very good against spin when it's turning this much.
 
'Keefe is the first Aus left arm spinner to take eight wkts in a Test in India
Previous most was 7/182 by Ray Bright, Chennai, 1986"

-CB
 
Okay thats a pathetic shot by rahane.

In supporting conditions for spin, Indians arent good batsmen unlike their previous generations.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
I 100% agree with you.

All I am saying is O Keefe isn't doing enough with the ball to get wickets.

If he was turning a few well and getting the arm balls to destroy bats, then its a different issue.
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Oh yeah, that's true. I'd fancy my chances against O'Keefe bowling like this and yet he's tearing India a new one. I have no idea what's going on
 
Executioner said:
Oh my now what will happen to us when Australia plays us
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Depends on toss - had Smith called wrong here, now still IND would have been batting - 400 ahead & 5 wickets at hand. It's really tough to bat 2nd in IND - be a rank turner or belter.

I hardly could watch the BD-IND Test, but later followed it in PP - no wonder I am missing few posters here today.
 
Aman said:
And now Indians begin to appreciate Dhoni :))

Whatever happened to Legendary Kaaptaan? :kohli2
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Legendary kaptaan handles pacers better and will give us away wins (hopefully :P)

Not too bad for the no.1 team
 
troodon said:
Massive turn does not get any wickets. Only good for a few oohs and aahs.

It's the non spinning all with variable bounce is the wi ket tamp ball.
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That's upto the skill of the bowler to create confusions by bowling non-spinning deliveries in between.
 
[MENTION=134809]sensible-indian-fan[/MENTION] what is happening here is what Smith meant when he said preseries about making sure the Indians only had one edge to take wickets from.
 
Aman said:
Look closer to home buddy... your batsmen just aren't very good against spin when it's turning this much.
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Which is what I am saying.

Our bats have been using atrocious technique.

I never said this when herath destroyed us in Galle. That time I blamed them for poor spin playing but this is a shocker.
 
Next time we gotta make sure we don't let Aussies load their own luggage :srt
 
The only positive from this test for India is they took 20 wickets, The batting performance was inexcusably bad though. Even the toss excuse is not lame enough for a team to lose 7 wickets for 10 runs.
 
Rahne's approach is better - won't survive long here, if he tries to do dead bat survival.
 
Aman said:
It's settled.

Sehwag, Gambhir, Dravid, Sachin, VVS and Dhoni > this Indian batting line up.

By a landslide.
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The problem is Vijay and Pujara who made their Test Debuts much before Kohli. They seem to not have mastered the Test batting even after all the experience, exposure and moreover they are Test Specialists! Definitely can't compare to that batting lineup! It takes 1 or 2 years at least to have a better settled batting line up. That's why I mentioned Vijay and Pujara, if these guys had settled, then the rest of the guys would have jelled properly. Hence we will keep restarting. That's the reason why we should play to our strengths. Have batting friendly pitches where our late order batting also becomes handy, and with 5 bowlers we will always force a win.
 
Aman said:
Australia are just better than this Indian side.

They'd smash this same Indian side back home and have proven they're more than capable of hanging with India on turners.
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Man wait until the series is finished. If aus wins the series we will be the first to give them credit
 
Convict said:
[MENTION=134809]sensible-indian-fan[/MENTION] what is happening here is what Smith meant when he said preseries about making sure the Indians only had one edge to take wickets from.
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True...

Australia owned us BIG TIME.

I was terribly impressed when they were willing to get beaten.

Knew it would look great in match but in reality, Aus was winning by getting beaten.

As for O Keefe, let me clarify, he has been the most effective bowler this test who bowled the BEST lines. But its that just doesn't spin anything that its disappointing to see Indians losing wickets to him even without him creating much doubts.

Most likely will take a 6fer in this innings too if we keep batting like this. If we apply like Aussies did, he may not do so well this innings.
 
Drreddymd said:
Man wait until the series is finished. If aus wins the series we will be the first to give them credit
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It doesn't matter if they go on to lose, this would never happen to Aus at home

Rahane out, India 4 down.

A 3 day loss at home.
 
Rahane gets out to O Keefe.

Please explain this dismissal and tell me what's brilliant about this ball and how Rahane got outwitted.

I want to know.
 
leatherface58 said:
The only positive from this test for India is they took 20 wickets, The batting performance was inexcusably bad though. Even the toss excuse is not lame enough for a team to lose 7 wickets for 10 runs.
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Indian team is to be blamed completely and kudos to aus for a brilliant performance.

Good times will not last for ever and our combination will back fire at some point of time and it it happened.

What they will do next shows what they r made of
 
Harbhajan and Ganguly "If Australia play well, India will win 3-0, otherwise 4-0"
 
Said it a couple of months ago but Rahane will always be behind Kohli even as a test player. He is showing he struggles vs spin but also he will play one good innings in a series that will make you say wow,etc. Than he will play support knocks and others in the line up will outshine him.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
True...

Australia owned us BIG TIME.

I was terribly impressed when they were willing to get beaten.

Knew it would look great in match but in reality, Aus was winning by getting beaten.

As for O Keefe, let me clarify, he has been the most effective bowler this test who bowled the BEST lines. But its that just doesn't spin anything that its disappointing to see Indians losing wickets to him even without him creating much doubts.

Most likely will take a 6fer in this innings too if we keep batting like this. If we apply like Aussies did, he may not do so well this innings.
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Don't worry. O'Keefe has made an entire career taking wickets as a finger spinner in Australian conditions without turning the ball.

At least nobody this test has been out bowled while trying to cut him which happens like 5+ times a season in shield cricket.
 
This is India's Mark Craig moment, but even more hilarious because of how badly he has owned them :))
 
This is what happens when you turn Ashwin into a batsman.. India really a batter short here. Limit players to whatever their particular role is. I knew batting would have a toll on Ashwin's bowling and it is already obvious.
 
Convict said:
Don't worry. O'Keefe has made an entire career taking wickets as a finger spinner in Australian conditions without turning the ball.

At least nobody this test has been out bowled while trying to cut him which happens like 5+ times a season in shield cricket.
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I am not sure I understood your larger point.
 
Man, I can't believe I wasted all that time tinkering with my technique to get more dip and spin.

It turns out the slow ball that does absolutely nothing is the deadliest delivery of them all, why did nobody tell me this years ago?
 
Big Mac said:
Jadeja didn't bowl the same kind of deliveries as O'Keefe. He was trying to bowl like a proper spinner and give it flight and get the ball to grip and turn miles when he should have been darting it in as quickly in the maner of a part-timer like Imad Wasim. Big spin from outside off stump is completely useless and that's what he did with far too many of his deliveries. They look good for the camera and get the commentators ooh-ing and aah-ing but they will never get you a wicket.

Like the ball O'Keefe just bowled, commentators going barmy with the turn and bounce but so what? You're never going to get anyone out when the ball pitches out there.

On this pitch you want as many deliveries as possible to hit the stumps, with the ball that turns past the outside edge as the variation but Jadeja did the opposite.
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Aussie spinners were giving it more flight and bowling a lot slower than the Indians. I was watching Ashwin and Jadeja bowling quick wanting to get through their overs and not the let the pitch do their thing.....
 
That is what u call a classic soft rahane dismisal. He is a tailender in indian pitches
 
It's going to be epic to see if India show some weakness and go back to flat tracks.

India would be admitting they don't back themselves to beat Australia on pitches that suit their strength.
 
O'keefe averages 24 with the ball in a country that is known as graveyard for spinners, where so called legends like Yasir Shah and Ashwin have been humiliated time and time again.
 
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