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Australia tour of West Indies (2025)

India should be embarrassed for getting pumped by this expired Australian team. It looks like the Ashes will be the end of the road for this team. Win or lose.
 
Mamoon said:
India should be embarrassed for getting pumped by this expired Australian team. It looks like the Ashes will be the end of the road for this team. Win or lose.
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Without Smith. With Smith they will still beat anyone in Australia. Green is not a no 3 anyway.
 
Both teams playing with 10 men.

Teams need to stop playing spinners outside the subcontinent.
 
So this is rated as the best test team by majority of fans.
Test cricket may really be in its weakest era after all.
I guess NZ with a few more talented players and England outside Asia could be the best test teams going forward.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Only hope is Campbell Kellaway for Australian batting.

Then again, these are some tough conditions to bat on.

And Australia, like everywhere else, are producing white ball pedigree batsmen but not for red ball cricket.
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Even in limited formats, their batsmen are awful against spin and pace .pak series showed it.they can't handle shaheen, Harris and anyone else. New crop is like Mitchell marsh clones.They can eat you alive if the pitch is road and ball is not moving.
 
This might be the worst middle order Australia has ever fielded. Green and Inglis at the most important 3 and 4 positions lol.
McDonald is better off an LOI coach. He considers test opening to not be a specialized job.
 
Aussies are effectively at 82/4.

I think they need to set a target of 230+. That should be enough on this pitch.
 
Travis Head once again anchored Australia's resistance against the West Indies on Thursday in a Test match at Kensington Oval that appears unlikely to last beyond three days.

The West Indies secured a slender 10-run lead after being dismissed for 190, but Australia recovered from a precarious 65 for four to close day two at 92 for four, holding an 82-run advantage. Head, once again at the center of Australia's fight, was under immense pressure to hold firm.

Having counterattacked in the first innings with the match’s only half-century so far, Head adopted a more cautious approach in the second, standing resilient against another impressive display from the West Indies pace attack.

His determination came at a cost, as he took a painful blow to his left glove from Alzarri Joseph in the penultimate over of the day. Head remained unbeaten on 13 off 37 deliveries, with Beau Webster providing solid support at 19 not out from 24 balls.

Following a dramatic opening day that saw 14 wickets fall, another 10 wickets tumbled on day two, with the pitch continuing to offer plenty of assistance to the seamers.
 

Sammy 'looking for some clarity' as contentious TV umpiring decisions pile up​

A number of decisions made by TV umpire Adrian Holdstock during the Barbados Test between West Indies and Australia have come in for scrutiny

West Indies coach Daren Sammy has raised questions about the work of TV umpire Adrian Holdstock during the opening Test against Australia in Barbados after the second day's play involved a number of contentious reviews.

Sammy met with match referee Javagal Srinath after play on Thursday to seek clarity over the decision-making, adding that he held concerns about Holdstock's officiating from the recent ODI series in England, where he was TV umpire for two matches and on-field for the other.

The two key decisions which West Indies felt went against them on the second day were an lbw against captain Roston Chase off the bowling of Pat Cummins, despite what they believed was evidence of an inside edge, and Shai Hope being brilliantly caught behind by Alex Carey off Beau Webster with the catch ruled clean after it was sent upstairs by the on-field umpires.

"We are just trying to find some sort of understanding as to what the process is," Sammy said. "We only hope for consistency. That's all we could ask for. When there is doubt in something, just be consistent across the board.

"I have noticed, especially with this particular umpire, it's something that for me started in England. It's frustrating. I just ask for consistency in the decision-making."

When asked to clarify whether he was specifically referencing Holdstock, Sammy said: "Yeah, look, you don't want to get yourself in a situation where you're wondering about certain umpires. Is there something against this team? But when you see decision after decision, then it raises the question. I know he's here for the series. You don't want to go in a Test match having that doubt.

"So I want to have that conversation as to the process… so we could be all clear. Because, at the end of the day, you don't want to be going into a Test match not trusting the umpires. And that's not what our team is about. So we're just looking for some clarity as to the decisions."

Asked whether West Indies would be lodging a formal complaint, Sammy said, "You'll have to wait and see for that."

"We know the rules. We know fines going all across the board. I don't want them [the players] to focus on that. Yes, we're kind of shooting ourselves in the foot by dropping so many catches, but look at the Test match, [us] against our own selves, some of these decisions, and we're still in a position to win"
Daren Sammy
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On Chase's dismissal, which came at a crucial moment after lunch with the sixth-wicket stand with Hope on 67, he said: "In our opinion, we saw the ball deviated onto the pad."

With regards to Hope's wicket, an inside edge that was held to his left by a diving Carey, Sammy did not say he did not believe it was a clean catch but drew a comparison with the reprieve Travis Head received on the first day when a catch taken by Hope behind the stumps was ruled to not have carried.

"I'm just saying, judge what you see," Sammy said. "If you see the same thing and one is not out, there is even more doubt on the other one than you give it out. Again, I don't know what he's seen but from the images that we've seen, the decisions are not fair enough for both teams. We're all humans. Mistakes will be made. I just want fairness."

Australia also thought they had a decision go against them in the first over of the day when an lbw appeal against Chase was referred with the belief it was pad first, which initial replays suggested could be the case, before Holdstock determined there was insufficient evidence to overturn the on-field decision. Mitchell Starc questioned whether the images and audio on the replays were matching up.

"There's been some interesting ones," Starc said. "Obviously a couple more have gone against the West Indies than us. One for us [against Chase] looked like there was a gap between the bat and the ball, it cost us 40-odd runs, but then a contentious one to then get the wicket.

"As players, you can only ask a question. We don't use the technology to make that decision. It sort of felt like, or looked like, that the Snicko and the images were out of sync to some capacity."

Starc added that the Australians thought that Head's edge through to Hope the previous day was out.

Sammy, meanwhile, was aware of the risk of commenting on the match officials and had not wanted his players speaking on the decisions after play. "We know the rules. We know fines going all across the board," he said. "I don't want them to focus on that. Yes, we're kind of shooting ourselves in the foot by dropping so many catches, but look at the Test match, [us] against our own selves, some of these decisions, and we're still in a position to win."
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Only hope is Campbell Kellaway for Australian batting.

Then again, these are some tough conditions to bat on.

And Australia, like everywhere else, are producing white ball pedigree batsmen but not for red ball cricket.
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Haven't followed their domestics but bancroft looked good while he played. Handscomb and bancroft were better than these green and konstas
 
The cupboard is pretty bare for us in this transition period.

There aren't alot of ready-made options that can come in and perform consistently at the highest level straight away so the rebuild will take time but there are some really talented upcoming youth who should be ready to make the step up in a year or two, hopefully.
 
Ice Man said:
The cupboard is pretty bare for us in this transition period.

There aren't alot of ready-made options that can come in and perform consistently at the highest level straight away so the rebuild will take time but there are some really talented upcoming youth who should be ready to make the step up in a year or two, hopefully.
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What do you think is the reason?

I blame IPL and franchise cricket in general.

Before T20, Australia used to have ready-made players at all times.
 
Mamoon said:
India should be embarrassed for getting pumped by this expired Australian team. It looks like the Ashes will be the end of the road for this team. Win or lose.
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Gambhir & Agarkar didn't pick Shami, Siraj flopped & so did Virat, Rohit & Gill.
 
Ice Man said:
Poor planning for the future has certainly played a part as well, imo.
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Very un-Australian from them.

Australia used to be the model for "planning for the future". I think they still are but not as efficient as before.

I think intensity has gone down a bit. New players are too mellow.

Need some warriors like Ponting, Steve Waugh, Brett Lee etc. Fiesty characters.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Only hope is Campbell Kellaway for Australian batting.

Then again, these are some tough conditions to bat on.

And Australia, like everywhere else, are producing white ball pedigree batsmen but not for red ball cricket.
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Dw bro, we will turn things around inshallah. But I have acknowledged that its time to move on 😔.
 
sweep_shot said:
Very un-Australian from them.

Australia used to be the model for "planning for the future". I think they still are but not as efficient as before.

I think intensity has gone down a bit. New players are too mellow.

Need some warriors like Ponting, Steve Waugh, Brett Lee etc. Fiesty characters.
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The issue was that Australia decided to run their old horses into the ground.

Excluding Travis Head who happened to be a lucky break for Aus after finch retired, who have they groomed exactly?

I have literally seen the same names Cummins, Starc, Hazlewood, Steve Smith, Glenn Maxwell, David Warner, Usman Khawaja, Nathan Lyon, Adam Zampa etc etc for years and years now?

Throughout this period we didnt see any up and coming 20-23 year old talent cause Australia kinda just forgot about them.
 
mominsaigol said:
The issue was that Australia decided to run their old horses into the ground.

Excluding Travis Head who happened to be a lucky break for Aus after finch retired, who have they groomed exactly?

I have literally seen the same names Cummins, Starc, Hazlewood, Steve Smith, Glenn Maxwell, David Warner, Usman Khawaja, Nathan Lyon, Adam Zampa etc etc for years and years now?

Throughout this period we didnt see any up and coming 20-23 year old talent cause Australia kinda just forgot about them.
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I think the real reason is that the talent just isn't there.

There we a time in Aussie FC where players that were waaaaay down the pecking order were averaging 50+ in Aussie and then they would average 50+ in English county during the Aussie winter.

Now the hyped names only average 35. Players like Lehman and Weatherall who were the up and coming players a few years ago never scored the big runs.

The talent isnt there in the long format thats why they are forced to play unconventional openers and random all rounders.

It's still strong in LOI though
 
Ice Man said:
Kellaway looks good but there are some potential concerns around his ability to work out a method to keep the runs flowing. Can get bogged down.
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The new kookaburras(2021 onwards) and the bowling friendly conditions means that Top 3 batting is the toughest it has been in a long time in places like Australia and South Africa.

I can't think of another U-24 Aussie batter who was as impressive as he was , considering where he bats and the conditions he has batted in. Looks the most ready to step up.

All your other young batters look like they can easily adapt to T20 cricket rather than Tests and ODIs.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
The new kookaburras(2021 onwards) and the bowling friendly conditions means that Top 3 batting is the toughest it has been in a long time in places like Australia and South Africa.

I can't think of another U-24 Aussie batter who was as impressive as he was , considering where he bats and the conditions he has batted in. Looks the most ready to step up.

All your other young batters look like they can easily adapt to T20 cricket rather than Tests and ODIs.
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No choice now. Its time to make my debut and become the greatest player the world has ever witnessed.

By the time I retire I will be avg

105 in test cricket
72 in odi with a 140 sr
50 in t20 with a 200 sr

The world isnt ready for my dominance :vk2
 
Nikhil_cric said:
The new kookaburras(2021 onwards) and the bowling friendly conditions means that Top 3 batting is the toughest it has been in a long time in places like Australia and South Africa.

I can't think of another U-24 Aussie batter who was as impressive as he was , considering where he bats and the conditions he has batted in. Looks the most ready to step up.

All your other young batters look like they can easily adapt to T20 cricket rather than Tests and ODIs.
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Oh yeah, I wasn't trying to cut him down. I agree with what you are saying. If he can work through that limitation, he should be a good, long term player for us.

Also, I'd say the likes of Ollie Peake, Harry Dixon and perhaps even Steve Hogan are our next great white hopes for all formats of the game. Though, they are no where ready yet and as you say, Kellaway looks the most ready to step up and should hopefully, get a chance soon.
 
As of right now West Indies has a beast pace attack

Top 3 in the world
Just pace attack I mean and not the overall attack inclusive of spin or AR

They would beat India in West Indies I feel

@mominsaigol
 
Ice Man said:
Oh yeah, I wasn't trying to cut him down. I agree with what you are saying. If he can work through that limitation, he should be a good, long term player for us.

Also, I'd say the likes of Ollie Peake, Harry Dixon and perhaps even Steve Hogan are our next great white hopes for all formats of the game. Though, they are no where ready yet and as you say, Kellaway looks the most ready to step up and should hopefully, get a chance soon.
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How about Sheesh? Me and @jamie smith fan are excited about him.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
How about Sheesh? Me and @jamie smith fan are excited about him.
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He's Australian mate. And i mean proper Australian, not like me.

His style and communication is obviously different. He freqently uses words like bloke, Sheesh, Arvo, Bloody.

Very common for born and bred aussies to use, especially in regional areas like Perth, Gold coast, Adelaide etc etc.
 
mominsaigol said:
He's Australian mate. And i mean proper Australian, not like me.

His style and communication is obviously different. He freqently uses words like bloke, Sheesh, Arvo, Bloody.

Very common for born and bred aussies to use, especially in regional areas like Perth, Gold coast, Adelaide etc etc.
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Chill bro it was a joke we use it here too.
 
Clearly biased decisions
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1751036189432.jpgThird umpire Adrian Holdstock's decisions in favour of Australia is creating a massive controversy now ‼️

#WIvAUS
 
83 runs partnership by Head and Webster

Australia led by 139 runs . WI would not like chasing more than 200 on this surface. Aussies will want more.
 
WI have started to squeeze the runs here , not giving much runs , and creating pressure on batters.
 
165 runs lead , 5 wickets to go for WI.

WI are not giving easy runs , a small cameo here from Aussies will make a difference. Aussies will need lower order to come to party and add some runs. Those will prove golden here.
 
Beautiful innings by Head. Another slap to his haters who claimed he cant score on a difficult pitch.

Nightmare pitch yet he scored 2 back to back half centuries.

Goat batsmen
 
mominsaigol said:
Beautiful innings by Head. Another slap to his haters who claimed he cant score on a difficult pitch.

Nightmare pitch yet he scored 2 back to back half centuries.

Goat batsmen
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These unconventional batters who play rather quickly, perform on tough pitches because that's the way they always play. In doing so they are overshadowed and take unnecessary risk on normal wickets. But on spicy wickets the risk : reward ratio increases and becomes fruitful.

Some of the batters of this nature include Head, Pant, Markram and Kusal. Inconsistent but match winners on a tough day.
 
RidiculousMan said:
These unconventional batters who play rather quickly, perform on tough pitches because that's the way they always play. In doing so they are overshadowed and take unnecessary risk on normal wickets. But on spicy wickets the risk : reward ratio increases and becomes fruitful.

Some of the batters of this nature include Head, Pant, Markram and Kusal. Inconsistent but match winners on a tough day.
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Head is a fantastic batsmen. He is not an atg but he gets too much hate from a 1.4B market who formulated conspiracy theories upon conspiracy such as pitch + rohit captaincy etc etc.

He is a solid batsmen and one of the best offside player in the world. A very good legside player as well. He is a bit weak against offspin yes but he isnt a spring chicken against it either.

And he is consistently good in each format something only Prime Kohli, Warner, Gayle and KP achieved. No other batter besides these 5 ever achieved it as their was always one format where you could pinpoint they were weak in.

Infact Kohli no longer belongs to this discussion after his test slump but I will put his prime here out of respect.

A 40 avg player in test and odi with a monster sr in both odi and t20, followed by memorable centuries in crucial moments and winning 2 cups for his country. That is a phenomenal record.

Yes he is a HTB in test but it would only be an issue if he was rubbish in odi and t20 and wasn't an all format batter.

Besides being a HTB isnt as bad as people think. It is not easy. If it was then Babar, rizwan, Saud and Agha wouldnt lose to Bangladesh at home and need to prepare dustbowls.

If your a htb then it means you are much better in home dens then any other touring side which is not easy to achieve.
 
More humiliation for those that claimed Webster was rubbish. Solid utility player and a huge improvement over Marsh at no 6.
 
mominsaigol said:
Head is a fantastic batsmen. He is not an atg but he gets too much hate from a 1.4B market who formulated conspiracy theories upon conspiracy such as pitch + rohit captaincy etc etc.

He is a solid batsmen and one of the best offside player in the world. A very good legside player as well. He is a bit weak against offspin yes but he isnt a spring chicken against it either.

And he is consistently good in each format something only Prime Kohli, Warner, Gayle and KP achieved. No other batter besides these 5 ever achieved it as their was always one format where you could pinpoint they were weak in.

Infact Kohli no longer belongs to this discussion after his test slump but I will put his prime here out of respect.

A 40 avg player in test and odi with a monster sr in both odi and t20, followed by memorable centuries in crucial moments and winning 2 cups for his country. That is a phenomenal record.

Yes he is a HTB in test but it would only be an issue if he was rubbish in odi and t20 and wasn't an all format batter.

Besides being a HTB isnt as bad as people think. It is not easy. If it was then Babar, rizwan, Saud and Agha wouldnt lose to Bangladesh at home and need to prepare dustbowls.

If your a htb then it means you are much better in home dens then any other touring side which is not easy to achieve.
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You seem to have an unhealthy obsession with Indians , and 90% of your posts directly or indirectly take potshots at them .
183 ahead after 61 overs .
 
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AUS have more than enough now for this WI batting lineup. Already signs of uneven bounce so not gonna be fun chasing anything above 150.
 
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