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Australia tour of West Indies (2025)

Not that cut and dry. They ground England into dust in 2022 on some flat, slow pitches and with a horrible batch of Dukes.

And they did win at the Gabba playing some scrappy cricket.
There are also examples where that strategy came unstuck - India 2023 (1st Test) and Bangladesh 2024 (2nd Test).

On these generally bowler friendly home surfaces against good attacks, with a substandard collection of red-ball batters, there'll inevitably be a ball with your name on it.

It seems Darren Sammy has sensed it's time for a change - hence the selection of Brandon King and Keacy Carty on back of white-ball performances.
 
Like I said India and Australia look in trouble in Tests long term.

Chance for WI and Pakistan to restore themselves in the correct place in Tests.
But how is Pakistan suppose to achieve it? Pakistan is worse off?

What new upcoming talent do you see that will automatically change our Crappie spin and pace options? The more pitches we doctor the less teams will even wish to visit? Bangladesh utilised this tactic and England + Aus never toured again?

And what dashing batters do you see that will change our test woes?

The new bloods like hasan Nawaz, Muhammad haris are all t20 merchants, not test merchants. Our best test batter saud isnt anything special.

He is an okay test batter. He is a superior version of Fawad and asad. Otherwise Azhar Ali was a better test batter then him. Misbah who every one clowns was a much better test batter then Saud Shakeel as well
 
But how is Pakistan suppose to achieve it? Pakistan is worse off?

What new upcoming talent do you see that will automatically change our Crappie spin and pace options? The more pitches we doctor the less teams will even wish to visit? Bangladesh utilised this tactic and England + Aus never toured again?

And what dashing batters do you see that will change our test woes?

The new bloods like hasan Nawaz, Muhammad haris are all t20 merchants, not test merchants. Our best test batter saud isnt anything special.

He is an okay test batter. He is a superior version of Fawad and asad. Otherwise Azhar Ali was a better test batter then him. Misbah who every one clowns was a much better test batter then Saud Shakeel as well

I just think sport is all about eras. Australia and India have dominated for 25 years but some weaknesses are now showing which England, Pakistan and WI could exploit if clever enough.
 
But how is Pakistan suppose to achieve it? Pakistan is worse off?

What new upcoming talent do you see that will automatically change our Crappie spin and pace options? The more pitches we doctor the less teams will even wish to visit? Bangladesh utilised this tactic and England + Aus never toured again?

And what dashing batters do you see that will change our test woes?

The new bloods like hasan Nawaz, Muhammad haris are all t20 merchants, not test merchants. Our best test batter saud isnt anything special.

He is an okay test batter. He is a superior version of Fawad and asad. Otherwise Azhar Ali was a better test batter then him. Misbah who every one clowns was a much better test batter then Saud Shakeel as well
Bro saud and abdullah are really good abdullah got 200 against sri lankan attack spinning cobra pitches which is not a small thing to score 200 against lanka in their den is really good then you got saim i know his test form hasnt been the same as in odis but that guy is once a generation talent he will come good in tests as well.
 
I just think sport is all about eras. Australia and India have dominated for 25 years but some weaknesses are now showing which England, Pakistan and WI could exploit if clever enough.
Current England can become an ATG side if they actually improve their bowling.

Currently they are clowns in asia as minus Root who is a gun player in asian conditions, no other english batsmen can survive in said conditons. Aussie conditons(we shall see tbf)

However in SENA(minus AU) they are an ATG batting side very reminiscent of 2000's india that would ensure draws or wins despite a non existent bowling lineup since they'd try to out bat everyone.

Ultimately their current crop needs to improve in Asian conditons. After root their 2nd best batsmen duckett avg 37 vs spin in asia which is honestly bavuma level. Beyond that everyone else is 100x worse.

And they need a better bowling lineup since despite an atg batting lineup in sena, they cannot outbat in each and every game.

Pakistan however is nowhere close. You can usually detect eras. Sure certain players no one sees coming such as Steve smith who was a bowler in Fc, but everyone knew guys like Kohli were destined to be future stars since 2008 under 19.

Pakistan test future looks extremely weak excluding Azan Awais who seems like a solid prospect.
 
Bro saud and abdullah are really good abdullah got 200 against sri lankan attack spinning cobra pitches which is not a small thing to score 200 against lanka in their den is really good then you got saim i know his test form hasnt been the same as in odis but that guy is once a generation talent he will come good in tests as well.
Maaz sadaqat,azan awais and mohsin ruaz are also waiting in the wings.
 
Bro saud and abdullah are really good abdullah got 200 against sri lankan attack spinning cobra pitches which is not a small thing to score 200 against lanka in their den is really good then you got saim i know his test form hasnt been the same as in odis but that guy is once a generation talent he will come good in tests as well.
Khawaja scored 200 in Sri Lanka, Inglis scored 100 on debut, Steve Smith scored back to back 100's in Sri Lanka and this was all in the same game and same series. This was all pre CT, so extremely recent around Jan 2025 I believe.

Shanto recently scored 2 back to back centuriess in 2 innings in Sri Lanka.

Not a big deal to score their against such an opposition.
 
I don't mean to be bleak, But Pakistan's era aint coming. Maybe next era atleast from what ive seen.

England cam defo turn it around. Im sure bowlers will start popping up
 
Khawaja scored 200 in Sri Lanka, Inglis scored 100 on debut, Steve Smith scored back to back 100's in Sri Lanka and this was all in the same game and same series. This was all pre CT, so extremely recent around Jan 2025 I believe.

Shanto recently scored 2 back to back centuriess in 2 innings in Sri Lanka.

Not a big deal to score their against such an opposition.
Bro scoring runs in sri lanka spinning pitches is still not a small feat i know sri lanka has been kind of on lower side now but still scoring runs in spinning track against them counts?
 
Bro scoring runs in sri lanka spinning pitches is still not a small feat i know sri lanka has been kind of on lower side now but still scoring runs in spinning track against them counts?
It is if someone like Khawaja who can barely buy runs now and inglis on debut scored century + double century
 
I don't mean to be bleak, But Pakistan's era aint coming. Maybe next era atleast from what ive seen.

England cam defo turn it around. Im sure bowlers will start popping up
Bro with new guys getting chances pak will definitely come back they just need to back them.
 
That's the big one !

Now can WI do what they've sometimes struggled to do and polish off the tail cheaply ?
 
Bro So who do you rate worst sri lanka or pakistan?
Sri lanka is obviously worse. So is Bangladesh. Those 2-0 victories were done against an extremely weak Pakistan team with a joke captain who has a history of recovering.

Not to mention a disinterested Pakistan with the likes of shaheen and babar clearly proving they are finished in test cricket.

Pakistan also declared because shan masood tried to be aggressive and attacking even though you could have scored 700-800 and ended a weak side like bangladesh with such pressure.

If Pakistan were to face them again, bangladesh would fold unless bangladesh curates a doctored pitch.

However Pakistan being > these 2 teams doesn't mean they are changing their fortunes. They aint beating England in england .

If I was pakistan, id do my best to salvage a win as even one victory will be seen as humiliating for England.
 
Tulla gone.
You're getting to excited. This was a solid knock. Wi will fold on this pitch lol. This is a horrible pitch to play. Its not doctored level bad, but its terrible.

No wonder sides like aus and england dont like touring minnow countries anymore.

Shame to see wi test pitches like this. They were once known as the goat nation for test match games
 
There are also examples where that strategy came unstuck - India 2023 (1st Test) and Bangladesh 2024 (2nd Test).

On these generally bowler friendly home surfaces against good attacks, with a substandard collection of red-ball batters, there'll inevitably be a ball with your name on it.

It seems Darren Sammy has sensed it's time for a change - hence the selection of Brandon King and Keacy Carty on back of white-ball performances.

Yes, but I'm not sure it'll make much difference. Their batting simply does not have the quality , regardless of the approach.
 
These modern Aussie bats are just ugly to watch.

Head, Inglis, Webster, etc.

Khawaja may be past it but his strokeplay is so much better aesthetically than the rest.
 
Not following this match but curious to know had WI also tailored pitch for advantage or is it the poor batting from Aussies
 
Not following this match but curious to know had WI also tailored pitch for advantage or is it the poor batting from Aussies
We can assess the pitch better when both sides bat (or collapse) on it, but Barbados is a typically seam friendly venue.

Along with St Lucia it's probably one of the most seam friendly venues in the entire Caribbean. The only time I remember it being a road recently was 2022 vs England.
 
Australia lost the final to an average SA team and now struggling vs Windies.
NZ and England outside Asia are looking alot better atm.
 
He is just an overrated tulla.
Dont know how he is playing test cricket in the first place??
Well he better score a 50 minimum after all these drops.

He's playing due to the awful standard of WI's FC batting. King averages 34 which isn't anything special - but many WI FC batsmen can't even average 30.
 
Well he better score a 50 minimum after all these drops.

He's playing due to the awful standard of WI's FC batting. King averages 34 which isn't anything special - but many WI FC batsmen can't even average 30.
I think imlach and kevlon would have beeter options than king.
 
I just wish WI made seam friendly pitches ever to reproduce legends like Malcolm, Holding, Ambrose etc
 
The Windies Pace trio is better than anything Pakistan have had since Asif and Amir

Add in Roach and Jason Holder they make the Pakistan pacers look like village cricket bowlers
 
The Windies Pace trio is better than anything Pakistan have had since Asif and Amir

Add in Roach and Jason Holder they make the Pakistan pacers look like village cricket bowlers
calm down. Pakistan at one point had Amir, pre injury Hasan, pre injury Shaheen and Abbas.
 
calm down. Pakistan at one point had Amir, pre injury Hasan, pre injury Shaheen and Abbas.
Amir was never the same after his ban

Hasan Ali had one good year in 2017

Shaheen showed promise but I believe he will go on to become a t20 mercenary

Abbas is the only one I rate :salute
 
I can't believe they brought back the Kraigg Braithwaite/John Campbell opening combo.

I never had faith in this opening combo.
 
It's gonna be tough work for the Windies to squeeze even a slender lead from Australia on this pitch. But full-credit to Seales and Joseph for putting on a sensational display of fast-bowling.
 
Watching these West Indies pacers bowl at their potential was something special. Silky run-up, smooth action, straight elbow and pitch perfect length. Reminiscence of the 'Kali Andhi' era.
 
^^Carty and King rather.

Well Carty's gone and so has the nightwatchman Warrican.

Challenging batting conditions. WI would do well to reach 200 from here.
 
Tough pitch. Can't see WI winning unless someone plays an ATG great innings here tomorrow. Chasing 150 will be very difficult for WI in the 4th innings.
 
Tough pitch. Can't see WI winning unless someone plays an ATG great innings here tomorrow. Chasing 150 will be very difficult for WI in the 4th innings.
WI will be hoping the pitch evens out a bit. They should take confidence in the fact that King has got his eye in and Chase, Hope and Greaves are still there.
 
Windies bowl Australia out for 180 on chaotic first day

Australia were skittled out for just 180 against West Indies - but hit back with the ball as 14 wickets fell on a chaotic opening day of the first Test in Bridgetown.

Seamers Jayden Seales and Shamar Joseph shared nine wickets as Australia were dismissed in less than 57 overs after winning the toss.

Travis Head top-scored with 59 and opener Usman Khawaja hit 47, but captain Pat Cummins (28) and Beau Webster (11) were the only other batters to reach double figures.

The tourists clawed their way back into the match when their experienced pace trio of Mitchell Starc, Josh Hazlewood and Cummins combined to reduce West Indies to 57-4 at close.

Playing their first Test match in the Caribbean for 10 years, Australia named a new-look top order with Steve Smith injured and Marnus Labuschagne dropped following their World Test Championship defeat to South Africa.

Teenage opener Sam Konstas and Josh Inglis were recalled in their place, but they scored just three and five respectably as the tourists slipped to 22-3.

Head put on 89 runs for the fourth wicket with Khawaja, who was dropped twice before he became Joseph's third victim of the day.

Joseph, the hero for West Indies in their famous win in Brisbane 18 months ago, then produced a beauty of a delivery that clean bowled Webster as he ended with figures of 4-46.

Head's resistance ended when he was caught behind off the bowling of Justin Greaves, before Seales wrapped up the tail to finish with 5-60.

West Indies, seeking a first home Test win over Australia for 22 years, made a poor start to their reply when Starc removed openers Kraigg Brathwaite and John Campbell in successive overs.

Cummins then had Keacy Carty caught behind, before Hazlewood bowled nightwatchman Jomel Warrican in the space of six balls shortly before stumps.


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We really should be doing everything we can to fast track the likes of Vidler, Anderson, Beardman and Straker as fast as possible through the system.

We seem to have a very decent line of bowlers coming up as our next generation, not so much on the batting side. Ollie Peake is basically rated as our top upcoming batting talent.
 
Match evenly poised as quicks dominate on opening day

Australia's experienced pace attack has hit back on the opening day of the Frank Worrell Trophy after Shamar Joseph reprised his Gabba exploits to dismantle the tourists' top order as wickets tumbled in Barbados.

West Indies went to stumps on day one of the first Test 4-57 at Kensington Oval having earlier rolled the No.1-ranked Test side for 180 after Pat Cummins opted to bat as Australia's Test team returned to the Caribbean for the first time in a decade.

The hosts had overhauled their XI for the new World Test Championship cycle but their own top order proved no match for the might of Mitchell Starc (2-35) armed with a new Dukes ball.

The left-armer removed both openers Kraigg Brathwaite (4) and John Campbell (7) which Cummins and Josh Hazlewood each picked up a wicket as the shadows lengthened in the final hour.

New Windies captain Roston Chase went to stumps one not out alongside debutant Brandon King (23 not out) who brushed aside his earlier blemishes in the gully to live up to his T20 pedigree and opened his Test account at a run-a-ball pace.

The loss of four wickets, which included nightwatchman Jomel Warrican for a duck, undid the dominance of their quicks for the first three-quarters of the day, with the 14 wickets lost the most on the opening day of a Test at Kensington Oval since 2011.

In case any of the Australians had forgotten his stunning seven-wicket haul in their Gabba triumph in January last year, Joseph issued a quick reminder to have the tourists reeling at 3-22 after electing to bat first.

The Guyanese tearaway claimed the first two wickets before returning to inflict more damage in the second session to finish with 4-46 from 16 overs.

Jayden Seales (5-60) provided valuable assistance in wrapping up the lower-order as he claimed four of the final five wickets as Australia's batting woes continued despite a rejigged line-up for their opening match of the new WTC campaign.

Missing Marnus Labuschagne (omitted) and Steve Smith (injured), Joseph made light work of Australia's third opener in as many Tests, removing Sam Konstas (3) and then No.3 Cameron Green (3) in a brilliant opening spell.

The right-armer should have had all of Australia's top three back in the sheds within the first hour if it wasn't for some untidy catching behind the wicket, with Green given a life second ball while Chase also spilled Khawaja at first slip when he was on six.

Having pinned Konstas lbw in his second over following an excellent review from Chase with a ball that nipped back and beat the teenager's inside edge, Joseph should have a second two balls later but King spilled a regulation chance in the gully.

It was the first of three drops for the West Indies’ first-gamer, later giving another life to Khawaja on 45 and Nathan Lyon on two.

Justin Greaves made amends for the Green drop when he comfortably pouched a low chance at second slip to hand Joseph his second after he found the edge with the West Australian prodding forward looking to defend in a similar vein to his two WTC final dismissals against South Africa.

Seales joined the fun when the new-ball quick was swung around to the Joel Garner End with the tourists' new No.4, Josh Inglis, skying an attempted pull shot. But Khawaja made the hosts pay for their earlier sloppiness as he added an extra 41 runs to rebuild the innings alongside Travis Head.

Head (59) counterattacked in his typically flamboyant style, hitting the first boundary in the game's 16th over when Seales over-pitched and was flayed through the vacant cover region.

That got Khawaja going too as he lifted Alzarri Joseph (0-37) over square leg and into the stands for six, with the pair consolidating and quickly adding 43 runs in the second hour to take Australia to lunch without further loss.

But the return of Shamar Joesph after Head reached his 19th Test half-century from just 57 balls swung the momentum back in the hosts' favour as Khawaja's luck finally ran out on 47. That was after King dropped another chance in the gully diving to his right and the veteran opener also narrowly avoided the ball rolling back onto his stumps when an attempted pull rebounded off his heel, missing his off peg by a whisker.

Joseph made it all of Australia's top three in his pocket moments later when Khawaja attacked a short ball that he could only top edge though to recalled wicketkeeper Shai Hope before the speedster produced a peach that took Beau Webster's (11) off stump bail.

It took Joseph's tally to 17 wickets at 15.94 in five innings against the Australians following hauls of five wickets on debut in Adelaide followed by his 7-68 on one leg at the Gabba to spur the West Indies to their first Test win against Australia in more than two decades.

Head also survived his own catch controversy when TV umpire Adrian Holdstock determined there was "no clear evidence" to prove that his under-edge off Joseph had carried into the gloves of Hope behind the wicket.

It didn't cost the home side too many runs as Seales and Greaves removed the visitors' pair of South Australians either side of tea, Carey edging the former to Chase at slip who squared his ledger after the earlier drop of Khawaja, before latter picked up Head caught behind when he slashed outside the off stump.

Cummins provided a brief 18-ball cameo that yielded 28 runs including a beautiful six over cover, but Seales had the last laugh, pointing the Aussie skipper the way of the pavilion as he picked up four of the final five Australian wickets to claim a third five-wicket haul of his Test career.

 
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