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Australia v India l 2nd Test l December 17-21, 2014 l Brisbane

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IndianWillow said:
I have the same opinion. There should be no advantages to a team that knows how to use technology better.
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That's actually BCCI's objection. 'Howler' is very subjective and it's far from clear that only decisions as atrocious as this should be reversed. India wanted no 'umpire's call', a definitive result of either yes or no on all appeals, a removal of the referral limit and ideally they want it to be with the umpires, to be used the same way they use it on run-outs.
 
Clearly India's day and they should be favorites to win this match. At least four of our bowlers are injured in some way and the Indians are growing in confidence.
 
Random Aussie said:
Clearly India's day and they should be favorites to win this match. At least four of our bowlers are injured in some way and the Indians are growing in confidence.
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Favourites? I think you are stretching it too much. India only have 4 specialist bowlers. If Australia can find it hard to put a brake on Indian batsmen with 4 specialist bowlers and 2 all rounders, then how can you believe
iNDIA with just 4 bowlers would be good enough to take 20 wickets in this heat!!
 
India are in the box seat and have the advantage here.

Would take a Johnson special and some really good batting for Australia to comeback
 
Convict said:
India are in the box seat and have the advantage here.

Would take a Johnson special and some really good batting for Australia to comeback
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No there's still 90% chance we may fold up below 350 & end up conceeding 550+
 
Convict said:
India are in the box seat and have the advantage here.

Would take a Johnson special and some really good batting for Australia to comeback
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I can see Aus piling up runs as well in this heat. Also, let's see how many runs Indians score. I think Aus best chance is the first 10 overs in the morning.
 
Enforcer said:
Favourites? I think you are stretching it too much. India only have 4 specialist bowlers. If Australia can find it hard to put a brake on Indian batsmen with 4 specialist bowlers and 2 all rounders, then how can you believe
iNDIA with just 4 bowlers would be good enough to take 20 wickets in this heat!!
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They have 300 runs on the board with two set batsmen at the crease.

We have to bat last on what will be a treacherous wicket by then.

We have only two reliable batsmen who are both due some low scores.

Our all rounder is injured, will struggle to bat and can't bowl.

Our best fast bowler today went off injured.

Our other two fast bowlers are also injured and are bowling crap anyway.

Our remaining all rounder will get injured if he has to bowl much more.

India are in the box seat.
 
Dropping Siddle on the basis of his struggles in Adelaide wasn't smart. He's a tough gritty bowler that is valuable on days like this.
 
Random Aussie said:
They have 300 runs on the board with two set batsmen at the crease.

We have to bat last on what will be a treacherous wicket by then.

We have only two reliable batsmen who are both due some low scores.

Our all rounder is injured, will struggle to bat and can't bowl.

Our best fast bowler today went off injured.

Our other two fast bowlers are also injured and are bowling crap anyway.

Our remaining all rounder will get injured if he has to bowl much more.

India are in the box seat.
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Bowling with the benefit of the other side being under pressure is very different from bowling from behind.

While India's bowling has looked awful in the last 5 Test Matches, those are all samples of 'bowling under pressure'. Bowling with the other side under pressure is a wholly different story and if the score is above 500 or 550, the pressure will be immense.
 
Rohit's 25 is such a bonus on this day :P the gods must really be smiling upon us.
 
shortbread said:
Dropping Siddle on the basis of his struggles in Adelaide wasn't smart. He's a tough gritty bowler that is valuable on days like this.
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You can't select a player on the basis that the other bowlers might get injured.

And Siddle has been bog ordinary for well over a year. It wasn't just Adelaide
 
CricketAnalyst said:
Bowling with the benefit of the other side being under pressure is very different from bowling from behind.

While India's bowling has looked awful in the last 5 Test Matches, those are all samples of 'bowling under pressure'. Bowling with the other side under pressure is a wholly different story and if the score is above 500 or 550, the pressure will be immense.
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Not just that .The Aussie batsmen will be pretty energy sapped when they come to bat after fielding in this heat as well
 
Convict said:
You can't select a player on the basis that the other bowlers might get injured.

And Siddle has been bog ordinary for well over a year. It wasn't just Adelaide
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Still would rather a fit but ordinary siddle over an injury prone and always been ordinary starc.
 
India on top at the end of first day but things can change pretty quickly in the first session tomorrow.
 
desi_launda said:
We can easily fold up for under 400
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Warner going to take 3 or 4?

Seriously if india get rolled in a session when the pitch is at it's best and every opposition quick is carrying an injury they should just cancel the tour.
 
trogger said:
Warner going to take 3 or 4?

Seriously if india get rolled in a session when the pitch is at it's best and every opposition quick is carrying an injury they should just cancel the tour.
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I guess you don't know India then.

Rohit will have a brainfade.
Dhoni avg 20 in Aus.
Ashwin can bat but when not in zone, he can't put bat on ball. If he does well, odds are it would be a flashy 30.
Rest 3 can't hold a bat.

So point is that India is ahead but if you peel the surface, its not THAT rosy.
 
Let's not be too modest about it, its our match to lose now. With Aaron and Umesh accompanying Ishant, we should get Aussies bundled out for 300 at worst.
 
3 innings, 300 crossed each time, something we failed to do on our last Aus tour

That itself is a win for me. I was really worried about the batting after the way we struggled in the last 5 innings of England tour failing to cross even 200 but so far no complaints.
 
The best possible decision India was to replace Shami with Umesh. Shami is strictly an ODI bowler while Umesh is a wicket taking option. I have hopes on our bowling. I just hope they find the right lengths on this pitch straightaway..
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
I guess you don't know India then.

Rohit will have a brainfade.
Dhoni avg 20 in Aus.
Ashwin can bat but when not in zone, he can't put bat on ball. If he does well, odds are it would be a flashy 30.
Rest 3 can't hold a bat.

So point is that India is ahead but if you peel the surface, its not THAT rosy.
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Umesh Yadav can actually. He hit 90 (62)* or some such in the tour earlier this year. He's a very capable slogger.
 
India is NOT winning a match with 3 bowlers,box seat or not.

The best we can hope for is draw.Don't think pitch will break enough to allow Ashwin any assistance
 
Saurav said:
India is NOT winning a match with 3 bowlers,box seat or not.

The best we can hope for is draw.Don't think pitch will break enough to allow Ashwin any assistance
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Aussies to be all-out under 300. Its no joke to face the fastest bowling pair in the world. :akhtar
 
Getting Warner's wicket will be key to the game. He has been in terrific form for a while now. India won't be safe with 400, with 500 they can expect a draw at least.
 
We were 329/4 in Melbourne on 2003 tour when Sehwag scored 195 on the first day but still folded for under 400 on day 2. Having said that, rolling for under 400 from here even against a fully fit attack would be disappointing leave alone an injury-hit one.
 
The report on cricinfo says that Marsh will not be available to bowl in the match but Hazelwood and Starc will be available on day 2 to bowl.
 
Mitchell Marsh wouldnt have made much difference anyway. I feel we need to put up close to 500 to have a chance, not expecting ***** Sharma to score much more he will be out soon, however Dhoni and Ashwin would need to step it up.
 
You expect dhoni to do well here :D

There's a high chance we may fold up below 350 :(
 
samplepiece said:
The report on cricinfo says that Marsh will not be available to bowl in the match but Hazelwood and Starc will be available on day 2 to bowl.
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Apparently Warne called Starc soft in commentary - and Australia seems to agree - so he better come out breathing fire tomorrow.
 
If Ashwin gets a 50 and a couple of wickets,no one can challenge his place in the side for a long time
 
samplepiece said:
Whats up with James Pattinson? Another one in the long list of injured Aussie bowlers?
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Yep, back stress fractures. He' should be back bowling in domestic cricket soon if the last news I heard is correct.

Cummins is a few months into his latest comeback but still hasn't touched a red ball yet.
 
wrongun said:
Yep, back stress fractures. He' should be back bowling in domestic cricket soon if the last news I heard is correct.
Cummins is a few months into his latest comeback but still hasn't touched a red ball yet.
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Whoa..
What happened to all the bowlers mate? I saw M.Johnson holding his side as well.. loads other struggling..
Too much cricket or too much of modern training ?
 
Stark said:
Whoa..
What happened to all the bowlers mate? I saw M.Johnson holding his side as well.. loads other struggling..
Too much cricket or too much of modern training ?
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Too much heat and humidity. Rahane mentioned in his interview that it was worse than Chennai.
 
Mcgrath used to get injured but when he played i never saw him struggle.The other day Sourav was discussing in the commentary how he heard that Glen just used to bowl bowl bowl and that was his fitness routine, somewhere i heard Imran was also like that i wonder if the current lot go for muscle building and injure their backs and shoulders.
Although based on this i guess Aus get 1-2 amazing bowler in the alternate decade..Lillee,Glen....Mcdermott and Merv were good too but not as good as the former ones.
 
Good start by India if they can t get 450+ then atleast the bowlers have something to bowl to, scoreboard pressure can always cause the Aussie batsmen problems.
 
Stark said:
Whoa..
What happened to all the bowlers mate? I saw M.Johnson holding his side as well.. loads other struggling..
Too much cricket or too much of modern training ?
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I'm starting to lean to the Geoff Lawson idea that all the over limits on our juniors prevent them from preparing and becoming strong enough for the bowling loads they will get in the senior teams, so they all break down when they first come in.

Hardly just an Aussie problem, haven't Aron, Ishant and Yadav all been out with stress fractures at different times?
 
When was the last time Hazlewood played a four day game?

He played the first two (or three) ODIs against South Africa back in early/mid November.

He then played one shield game, got rested for the next, the first test was postponed, he carried the drinks in Adelaide (should have been sent early to play shield cricket like Shaun Marsh) and he finally gets a test after maybe two days of cricket in the last month
 
JaDed said:
Mcgrath used to get injured but when he played i never saw him struggle.The other day Sourav was discussing in the commentary how he heard that Glen just used to bowl bowl bowl and that was his fitness routine, somewhere i heard Imran was also like that i wonder if the current lot go for muscle building and injure their backs and shoulders.
Although based on this i guess Aus get 1-2 amazing bowler in the alternate decade..Lillee,Glen....Mcdermott and Merv were good too but not as good as the former ones.
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Courtney Walsh only used to jog and bowl. His theory was to play all the time and never stop bowling so he was always used to it- he played county, domestic etc so he was always playing.

Bruce Reid would have been the legend of the McDermott/Hughes era but ironically injury ruined his career.
 
wrongun said:
Hardly just an Aussie problem, haven't Aron, Ishant and Yadav all been out with stress fractures at different times?
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Indian bowlers i believe have been badly handled vis a vis the fitness.
With a strong bowling culture and more test cricket pref with Aussie team, i always believed they ll be better stocked with pacers who'd be ready to toil for longer durations.

But since you put it that way.. The Lawson theory.. i think maybe the issues with Ishant and co is somewhat similar to what is being seen now with Aussie bowlers? Just that with even lesser attention and maybe less bowling routines of Indian speedsters, it means that these injuries flared up a lot quicker in our cases.
 
wrongun said:
Courtney Walsh only used to jog and bowl. His theory was to play all the time and never stop bowling so he was always used to it- he played county, domestic etc so he was always playing.

Bruce Reid would have been the legend of the McDermott/Hughes era but ironically injury ruined his career.
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Then why bother with all the muscle building in the name of fitness i fail to understand the best bowlers have always come from bowling continuously in the nets and good batsmen from batting continuously in the nets (Lara,Sachin) i wonder if its the football affect.
 
Only saw bits and pieces of the first day as I had a lot of work and had to go to bed early but great work from Vijay. He's scored runs on a wide range of surfaces now, on seaming English wicket, flat Indian ones and now a good wicket at the Gabba with a bit of bounce. If India could find someone solid to partner him at the top they would have a pretty strong top order.

As for the OZ bowlers, they almost look undercooked to me. These injuries, strains, etc, these shouldn't really be happening. Jonno looks to have lost 5km of pace from last year and other than Hazlewood's spell just before lunch the times I saw Jonno and him bowl they bowled the wrong lengths.

India's day IMO but we're still very much in it. If they can make inroads early tomorrow we're still a good chance of dismissing them below 450.
 
OZGOD said:
Only saw bits and pieces of the first day as I had a lot of work and had to go to bed early but great work from Vijay. He's scored runs on a wide range of surfaces now, on seaming English wicket, flat Indian ones and now a good wicket at the Gabba with a bit of bounce. If India could find someone solid to partner him at the top they would have a pretty strong top order.

As for the OZ bowlers, they almost look undercooked to me. These injuries, strains, etc, these shouldn't really be happening. Jonno looks to have lost 5km of pace from last year and other than Hazlewood's spell just before lunch the times I saw Jonno and him bowl they bowled the wrong lengths.

India's day IMO but we're still very much in it. If they can make inroads early tomorrow we're still a good chance of dismissing them below 450.
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If India scores 450, it will be a draw for sure.

Our bowlers cannot dismiss Aus and will let them score 500 easily.

Will be a high scoring boring draw.
 
311 Runs scored by India on the first day of this Test. India are the first overseas team in 54 years to have scored 300-plus runs on the first day of a Test at the Gabba. The last time this happened was when West Indies made 359 for 7 on the first day of the famous tied Test in 1960.
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Looks to me India are okay against pace and bounce and its swing and seam they really struggle with.
 
OZGOD said:
Only saw bits and pieces of the first day as I had a lot of work and had to go to bed early but great work from Vijay. He's scored runs on a wide range of surfaces now, on seaming English wicket, flat Indian ones and now a good wicket at the Gabba with a bit of bounce. If India could find someone solid to partner him at the top they would have a pretty strong top order.

As for the OZ bowlers, they almost look undercooked to me. These injuries, strains, etc, these shouldn't really be happening. Jonno looks to have lost 5km of pace from last year and other than Hazlewood's spell just before lunch the times I saw Jonno and him bowl they bowled the wrong lengths.

India's day IMO but we're still very much in it. If they can make inroads early tomorrow we're still a good chance of dismissing them below 450.
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Early inroads may lead to dismissal below 400.
 
mithun_minhas said:
If India scores 450, it will be a draw for sure.

Our bowlers cannot dismiss Aus and will let them score 500 easily.

Will be a high scoring boring draw.
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There usually aren't that many draws at the Gabba, just like in Adelaide. The last one of note was when there was a dry spell in Queensland in 2010 and we drew with England.

Those who saw the day in entirety can probably judge better but I would be cautious of forecasting a draw after day 1 or even day 2. People on this forum tend to do that all too often.
 
Cant see anything less than an innings defeat for aussies at this stage ,Unless weather plays a big part in killing time.

Selectors have only themselves to blame for the mess in leaving siddle out

Hope better sense prevails in the selection for the next match

Eleven at MCG should be

1) Rogers
2)Warner
3) Watson
4) Smith
5)shaun marsh--> should be axed if gets a pair becoming Umesh Yadav's bunny and replaced with either Cowan,White, George Bailey or Ferguson
6)Glen Maxwell
7) Haddin
8) Siddle
9 Harris - if not fit then hilfenhaus
10) Johnson
11) Lyon
12)Hazlewood

Also Jackson Bird, Pattinson, Cummins, Doherty, should be all kept on standby looking at the rate of injuries
 
Deathnail said:
Cant see anything less than an innings defeat for aussies at this stage ,Unless weather plays a big part in killing time.

Selectors have only themselves to blame for the mess in leaving siddle out

Hope better sense prevails in the selection for the next match

Eleven at MCG should be

1) Rogers
2)Warner
3) Watson
4) Smith
5)shaun marsh--> should be axed if gets a pair becoming Umesh Yadav's bunny and replaced with either Cowan,White, George Bailey or Ferguson
6)Glen Maxwell
7) Haddin
8) Siddle
9 Harris - if not fit then hilfenhaus
10) Johnson
11) Lyon
12)Hazlewood

Also Jackson Bird, Pattinson, Cummins, Doherty, should be all kept on standby looking at the rate of injuries
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Maxwell and Doherty are no chance.

Bird, Pattinson and Cummins are already injured dude.
 
OZGOD said:
Only saw bits and pieces of the first day as I had a lot of work and had to go to bed early but great work from Vijay. He's scored runs on a wide range of surfaces now, on seaming English wicket, flat Indian ones and now a good wicket at the Gabba with a bit of bounce. If India could find someone solid to partner him at the top they would have a pretty strong top order.

As for the OZ bowlers, they almost look undercooked to me. These injuries, strains, etc, these shouldn't really be happening. Jonno looks to have lost 5km of pace from last year and other than Hazlewood's spell just before lunch the times I saw Jonno and him bowl they bowled the wrong lengths.

India's day IMO but we're still very much in it. If they can make inroads early tomorrow we're still a good chance of dismissing them below 450.
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I'm not so sure about that. Our bowlers looked wrecked to me. Even the fit one's had injuries!

Johnno is 33 and we migt have to accept that his streak is over and he is back to being a human being. He won't destroy line-ups at 144k because he can't swing it. He needs the pace.
 
Big big question.

Rohit, Rahane, Dhoni and Ashwin have to step up.

The rest can't score 10 runs unless slogging works.
 
I personally feel one of us needs to get a big 100 and close out this game.

Make an Indian defeat impossible.

And then let's pray to Gods our bowlers clicks. Even if it doesn't, the score is still 0-1.
 
So are we starting half an hour early today to make up for our dreadful over rate yesterday?
 
Deathnail said:
Cant see anything less than an innings defeat for aussies at this stage ,Unless weather plays a big part in killing time.

Selectors have only themselves to blame for the mess in leaving siddle out

Hope better sense prevails in the selection for the next match

Eleven at MCG should be

1) Rogers
2)Warner
3) Watson
4) Smith
5)shaun marsh--> should be axed if gets a pair becoming Umesh Yadav's bunny and replaced with either Cowan,White, George Bailey or Ferguson
6)Glen Maxwell
7) Haddin
8) Siddle
9 Harris - if not fit then hilfenhaus
10) Johnson
11) Lyon
12)Hazlewood

Also Jackson Bird, Pattinson, Cummins, Doherty, should be all kept on standby looking at the rate of injuries
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You gotta be joking right?

Innings defeat.

Holy moly.
 
Think th pitch will offer a lot more for the pacers over the next day or two. Would like to see how the australians batsmen get going.
 
dravid the wall said:
what u talking dude...confused....anyway rohit is heck can get out anytime..
.hope dhoni will add 30 to40 runs.....
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I meant that Rohit scoring is good for India in this match BUT......it will screw us in the future.

But I don't want India to let go of this great opportunity.

Hence torn. :))
 
Want to see some fire and aggression from Starc and MJ. We were noticeably down on our sledging form yesterday and need to pick it up. Warner needs to lead the way, and target Rohit Sharma who gets easily sucked in.
 
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