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Australia v New Zealand | 2nd Test | WACA | Nov 13-17, 2015 | Match Thread

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leatherface58 said:
Is that all you got huh? Maybe with all the money you folks got, you could afford a pitch with a few grass blades on it. But no, you are just gonna let your players fatten their batting averages so that years down the line, they can wear their cheap suits and talk drivel all over channel 9 and butter up their mates.

And instead of worrying about his health, maybe you and the other corporate shills from the CA should worry about the health of the game which is in desperate need of a defibrillator.

Add to that, the juiced-up speedometers (Which have always been the case especially after seeing indian pace bowlers regularly clock 145 down under and barely 135 elsewhere) and you got a product which is going to dwindle in viewership both on the ground and off it.
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Do you really care if cricket dies in Australia, at least then your team would be able to beat them easily.
 
Varun said:
This is an average comeback. You make a poor salesman, you should not be advising me to not use your product or use a competitors' product. Instead, you should make yours the best it can be.

And if you're saying your Perth pitch vs New Zealand is anything close to competitive, you simply have no idea.
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You please all of the people some of the time or some of the people all of the time. Your constant whining about everything Australian makes you one of the people not worth even trying to please. Getting rid of a whinging customer makes a better atmosphere for decent customers.
 
Gilly said:
You please all of the people some of the time or some of the people all of the time. Your constant whining about everything Australian makes you one of the people not worth even trying to please. Getting rid of a whinging customer makes a better atmosphere for decent customers.
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I tell you what Gilly.
I'm a committed customer who rocks up to multiple days of every test match, ODIs, T2OIs, BBL and shield games at the WACA.
I know many other people who do so as well.

Nobody is happy about this wicket.

Congratulations to the WACA management. They've managed to murder a Western Australian icon.

It's a good thing we're going off to Burswood. No need to keep pissing on the WACA's corpse by putting out these lousy wickets
 
Didn't quite a few state captains complain about the pitch when Sutherland was curator and now racing trainers are calling for him to be sacked.
 
Gilly said:
Didn't quite a few state captains complain about the pitch when Sutherland was curator and now racing trainers are calling for him to be sacked.
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Racing traininers whinge about all sorts of things.

Sutherland was sacked solely because he wanted to produce bowler friendly wickets.
 
Convict said:
Racing traininers whinge about all sorts of things.

Sutherland was sacked solely because he wanted to produce bowler friendly wickets.
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But the facts remain the same, several state captains made official complaints about the standards of the wicket when Sutherland was curator and racing trainers are calling for him to be sacked in his new job.
 
Gilly said:
But the facts remain the same, several state captains made official complaints about the standards of the wicket when Sutherland was curator and racing trainers are calling for him to be sacked in his new job.
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Thousands of spectators are raising complaints about the standards of these wickets.

And there is nothing wrong with what he has produced for the turfies. Some other factors make things impossible and trainers want ideal perfect tracks and whinge every year.
 
Convict said:
Thousands of spectators are raising complaints about the standards of these wickets.

And there is nothing wrong with what he has produced for the turfies. Some other factors make things impossible and trainers want ideal perfect tracks and whinge every year.
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You know, [MENTION=132373]Convict[/MENTION] [MENTION=732]Gilly[/MENTION] [MENTION=100030]trogger[/MENTION] [MENTION=104233]RA[/MENTION]ndomAussie,

A significant part of my decision to emigrate from the UK to Australia was driven by sport.
[MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] enjoys pointing out the northern English chip on my shoulder (and he's right) but it made New South Wales and Queensland into obvious future homes for me, given that I grew up on Rugby League and cricket (as well as soccer).

My earliest memory of cricket in Australia was the 1976-77 Centenary Test, with highlights on English TV each morning. I then saw ABC highlights of the crappy "official" Ashes in 1978-79 and then Channel Nine highlights of the 1979-80 Test series between Australia and the West Indies and England.

I loved it.

I loved the bouncy wickets and the flair of Lillee, Thommo and Lennie Pascoe.

That - and "Neighbours" - is why I immigrated here.

I'm perfectly happy to see Australia smash all comers on lively wickets. It's fine by me.

But for half a decade the wickets here have been delivering boring Test cricket with horribly bloated scores, whether it's England making 517-1 at the Gabba or Australia and South Africa both scoring 500+ in their first innings and now finally even the Kiwis making 600 in reply to 500.

It's a horrible spectacle.

And the toil that the quicks have to do on flat tracks with a ball with no seam looks like it is going to make Mitchell Johnson join Ryan Harris in premature retirement any day now.

I love Australian cricket. It's a large part of why I chose to live here. But not this crappy spectacle on dead wickets.
 
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Convict said:
Thousands of spectators are raising complaints about the standards of these wickets.

And there is nothing wrong with what he has produced for the turfies. Some other factors make things impossible and trainers want ideal perfect tracks and whinge every year.
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I loved the Ind - WI wc match at perth this year.
That pitch had some real bounce, bhuvi kumar was bouncing out batsmen plus it had a good deal of seam movement as well.
Thoroughly enjoyed that match.
 
Intresting to see if Aussies try and force a possible win from here? 193 ahead maybe get a lead of 300 and then have a go at the kiwis, something i think they would try and chase down or could just end up miandering to a boring draw
 
I think we will declare early and give them a chase, don't really see the point as a chase of 300 in 60 overs on this deck is pretty much just a freeroll for the batting side they can have an early go and if they lose a few just easily defend on the plaicd pitch.

Why give nz a free shot at making this 1-1 when they have taken 11 wickets for the test and half of those were players slogging.
 
Junaids said:
You know, [MENTION=132373]Convict[/MENTION] [MENTION=732]Gilly[/MENTION] [MENTION=100030]trogger[/MENTION] [MENTION=104233]RA[/MENTION]ndomAussie,

A significant part of my decision to emigrate from the UK to Australia was driven by sport.
[MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] enjoys pointing out the northern English chip on my shoulder (and he's right) but it made New South Wales and Queensland into obvious future homes for me, given that I grew up on Rugby League and cricket (as well as soccer).

My earliest memory of cricket in Australia was the 1976-77 Centenary Test, with highlights on English TV each morning. I then saw ABC highlights of the crappy "official" Ashes in 1978-79 and then Channel Nine highlights of the 1979-80 Test series between Australia and the West Indies and England.

I loved it.

I loved the bouncy wickets and the flair of Lillee, Thommo and Lennie Pascoe.

That - and "Neighbours" - is why I immigrated here.

I'm perfectly happy to see Australia smash all comers on lively wickets. It's fine by me.

But for half a decade the wickets here have been delivering boring Test cricket with horribly bloated scores, whether it's England making 517-1 at the Gabba or Australia and South Africa both scoring 500+ in their first innings and now finally even the Kiwis making 600 in reply to 500.

It's a horrible spectacle.

And the toil that the quicks have to do on flat tracks with a ball with no seam looks like it is going to make Mitchell Johnson join Ryan Harris in premature retirement any day now.

I love Australian cricket. It's a large part of why I chose to live here. But not this crappy spectacle on dead wickets.
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[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] you moved to Australia due to sport? didn't realise you pursued cricket at the pro level otherwise am a bit confused why you'd move there for sport which you can watch from your telly in the UK and attend games at beautiful grounds like Edgbaston.
 
Amjid Javed said:
Intresting to see if Aussies try and force a possible win from here? 193 ahead maybe get a lead of 300 and then have a go at the kiwis, something i think they would try and chase down or could just end up miandering to a boring draw
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Arre, nothing will happen. Smith declaring early (300) will end in tragedy. No way any cricket team gets bowled out on this deck.
 
Junaids said:
And the toil that the quicks have to do on flat tracks with a ball with no seam looks like it is going to make Mitchell Johnson join Ryan Harris in premature retirement any day now.

I love Australian cricket. It's a large part of why I chose to live here. But not this crappy spectacle on dead wickets.
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Try today

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sport/cricket/a/30112362/mitchell-johnson-retirement-close/

Can't blame him. Hazlewood and Starc are young enough to still be able to mentally bring themselves to bowl on these highways all day. Johnno's 34, slowing down and already was thinking of retirement anyway.
 
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ChachaCricket said:
Hopefully goes out with a bang. Pretty sure he'll play the final match.
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From what I heard he may not.

Though since Adelaide is meant to be a greentop and the pink ball at night is very bowler friendly he might get tempted.
 
Varun said:
Arre, nothing will happen. Smith declaring early (300) will end in tragedy. No way any cricket team gets bowled out on this deck.
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In 4th innings anything can happen. Batting out 60 overs on the final day is always tricky.
 
Smith will be batting tomorrow so will know perfectly well just how easy batting is.
 
ChachaCricket said:
Hopefully goes out with a bang. Pretty sure he'll play the final match.
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No.

Pretty much all media outlets tonight are talking about a likely announcement tomorrow.

I think that dead pitches have driven my favourite current player into retirement.

[MENTION=132373]Convict[/MENTION] will have seen at the WACA what I saw at the Gabba ten days ago. Mitchell Starc when fielding on the boundary fastens his shoelaces, rearranges his sunglasses and largely steers clear of the crowd.

Mitchell Johnson spends every possible second signing kids' autographs, even as the bowler is running in to bowl. He may be from a humble background - I know some of his family - but he is an absolute gentleman of the highest order, and it's been a privilege to watch his career.

I'm very, very sad to see him go.
 
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Junaids said:
No.

Pretty much all media outlets tonight are talking about a likely announcement tomorrow.

I think that dead pitches have driven my favourite current player into retirement.

[MENTION=132373]Convict[/MENTION] will have seen at the WACA what I saw at the Gabba ten days ago. Mitchell Starc when fielding on the boundary fastens his shoelaces, rearranges his sunglasses and largely steers clear of the crowd.

Mitchell Johnson spends every possible second signing kids' autographs, even as the bowler is running in to bowl. He may be from a humble background - I know some of his family - but he is an absolute gentleman of the highest order, and it's been a privilege to watch his career.

I'm very, very sad to see him go.
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I'm pretty sure he'd want to play the first ever day-night test match. If it's going to be a greentop like Convict said then there's no reason why he wouldn't play.
 
Junaids said:
No.

Pretty much all media outlets tonight are talking about a likely announcement tomorrow.

I think that dead pitches have driven my favourite current player into retirement.

[MENTION=132373]Convict[/MENTION] will have seen at the WACA what I saw at the Gabba ten days ago. Mitchell Starc when fielding on the boundary fastens his shoelaces, rearranges his sunglasses and largely steers clear of the crowd.

Mitchell Johnson spends every possible second signing kids' autographs, even as the bowler is running in to bowl. He may be from a humble background - I know some of his family - but he is an absolute gentleman of the highest order, and it's been a privilege to watch his career.

I'm very, very sad to see him go.
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Yep. Watto was another who was always good with the kids.

And that's not a criticism of Starc. It's often the case that the older players who have families or are thinking of families on their own start doing that sort of thing whilst the young tyros are intensive and fully concentrate on cricket themselves.

He did mention that he loved played club cricket so hopefully he plays a bit for WA and for Wanneroo over the coming years.
 
ChachaCricket said:
I'm pretty sure he'd want to play the first ever day-night test match. If it's going to be a greentop like Convict said then there's no reason why he wouldn't play.
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Johnson, like Ponting is a purist.

He's not all that happy with the pink ball tests at the current stage (none of the players think the pink balls are ready).
He might be tempted but I'm inclined to believe that once he's made his call he'll go.
 
I get the feeling johnson either wanted to finish at perth or finish at sydney but i do not think he wants the pink ball rubbish to be his final test, the dead pitches and his own struggles means i think he will retire after day 5 in this test.
 
trogger said:
err no, a chase of 300 but in just 60 overs on this pitch is heads you win tails i lose stuff for the bowling side.
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Even in ODIs (with field restrictions etc) this kind of chase is not guaranteed. The run rate itself might be manageable, but 300 runs is still a lot of runs. A couple of early wickets and pressure would do the rest. Even Australia who were trying to set a competitive target were able to get only 4rpo today inspite of losing only two wickets, how will the chasing team manage 5rpo against a better bowling side?
 
Junaids said:
You know, [MENTION=132373]Convict[/MENTION] [MENTION=732]Gilly[/MENTION] [MENTION=100030]trogger[/MENTION] [MENTION=104233]RA[/MENTION]ndomAussie,

A significant part of my decision to emigrate from the UK to Australia was driven by sport.
[MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] enjoys pointing out the northern English chip on my shoulder (and he's right) but it made New South Wales and Queensland into obvious future homes for me, given that I grew up on Rugby League and cricket (as well as soccer).

My earliest memory of cricket in Australia was the 1976-77 Centenary Test, with highlights on English TV each morning. I then saw ABC highlights of the crappy "official" Ashes in 1978-79 and then Channel Nine highlights of the 1979-80 Test series between Australia and the West Indies and England.

I loved it.

I loved the bouncy wickets and the flair of Lillee, Thommo and Lennie Pascoe.

That - and "Neighbours" - is why I immigrated here.

I'm perfectly happy to see Australia smash all comers on lively wickets. It's fine by me.

But for half a decade the wickets here have been delivering boring Test cricket with horribly bloated scores, whether it's England making 517-1 at the Gabba or Australia and South Africa both scoring 500+ in their first innings and now finally even the Kiwis making 600 in reply to 500.

It's a horrible spectacle.

And the toil that the quicks have to do on flat tracks with a ball with no seam looks like it is going to make Mitchell Johnson join Ryan Harris in premature retirement any day now.

I love Australian cricket. It's a large part of why I chose to live here. But not this crappy spectacle on dead wickets.
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No debate from me mate, I don't like these wickets either, I've barely watched this series and didn't watch much of last summer either. Ball does nothing all day long.
 
battler said:
I loved the Ind - WI wc match at perth this year.
That pitch had some real bounce, bhuvi kumar was bouncing out batsmen plus it had a good deal of seam movement as well.
Thoroughly enjoyed that match.
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They dish up pretty good ODI wickets in Perth, then dish up a highway for the Test after spending a week hyping it as a speedsters dream. It's arguably false advertising to sell tickets.
 
Joke of a pitch. Too many big centuries in this game. No wonder crowd turn-out is small. Yawn.
 
IndianWillow said:
Even in ODIs (with field restrictions etc) this kind of chase is not guaranteed. The run rate itself might be manageable, but 300 runs is still a lot of runs. A couple of early wickets and pressure would do the rest. Even Australia who were trying to set a competitive target were able to get only 4rpo today inspite of losing only two wickets, how will the chasing team manage 5rpo against a better bowling side?
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You seem to have missed my point, in a odi you must get the 300 or you lose in this situation you can have a quick dash and if things go wrong simply bat time on a dead pitch and take the draw, hence it's heads you win tails i lose stuff for us.
 
Random Aussie said:
They dish up pretty good ODI wickets in Perth, then dish up a highway for the Test after spending a week hyping it as a speedsters dream. It's arguably false advertising to sell tickets.
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Pretty good shield wickets as well.

But hey the last WACA curator got sacked because he got ****** off with having to prepare dead test wickets and told his bosses as much
 
Convict said:
Pretty good shield wickets as well.

But hey the last WACA curator got sacked because he got ****** off with having to prepare dead test wickets and told his bosses as much
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Don't know why these idiots don't understand that if you prepare competitive wickets, the overall attendance will be twice as high even if the match lasts 3-4 days.
 
[MENTION=732]Gilly[/MENTION], dude you're better off punching a wall than engaging in this debate lol. Can't argue with the emotinally invested. You're never going to win.
 
Ball doing a bit now.

Hopefully we don't mess up 3 days good work with a poor session with the bat.
 
Not sure what has happened overnight but just 40 odd runs in 25 or so overs today. And 3 wickets.
 
volcyz said:
Can't wait till they stop playing at the WACA
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can't come soon enough. this wicket is a disgrace.

australia close to being the worst place to play cricket right now. don't know any country that has had so many draws without weather affecting a test.
 
If NZ goes for win it will be a big blow for the hosts and huge accumulated score on the board 2000+ with the win.

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Latham, top notch talent. Beautiful technique, just amazing balance and transfer of weight. Not to mention his timing. Almost always out of the middle.
 
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ChachaCricket said:
Latham, top notch talent. Beautiful technique, just amazing balance and transfer of weight. Not to mention his timing. Almost always out of the middle.
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Where is Elliot btw? He also looks class. Some good batting coaches in the Shire I reckon.
 
Rain, that will put pay to any chance of a result. Hate it when rain shortens the match and robs us of a result.
 
its raining ... not a good send off for MJ... no wickets for him in his last spell.

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trogger said:
What an odd dec, either bat out time or declare earlier.
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Adelaide on a greentop could be a lottery: bat in daylight and win.

So if I was Smith I would have declared an hour earlier. Even 270 in 60 overs was an impossible target in a Test, given that if the batters score too fast you can just bowl wide.
 
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