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Australia v Pakistan | 2nd Test | Melbourne | Dec 26-30, 2016 | Day 3

I would give babar Azam some bowling if he has legal action with 2 lefties
 
At this rate, Aus will race to 500. The unthinkable can still happen.
 
qaiser said:
I would give babar Azam some bowling if he has legal action with 2 lefties
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Even Shafiq would do.

But in order for that to happen, a captain has to have imagination, and Misbah sadly lacks that big time.
 
Misbah really is doing a sterling job in proving that he is not just a has-been as a batsman but as a captain too.

You get 20 overs to take wickets with a red Kookaburra. Defensive fields or lines in the first twenty overs are a form of suicide note. Yasir's field looks like it was set by somebody on day release from Twilight Pastures.

This is appalling captaincy - Australia could be 290-2 by the end of today, and the only team which can win.
 
ok guys

maybe there is something misbah knows that we dont

this guy yasir is bowling horrible outside off..either full toss or half volleys

mind boggling
 
As I said before asghar and sharjeel should have played in place of Sami and Yasir
 
fast1975 said:
ok guys

maybe there is something misbah knows that we dont

this guy yasir is bowling horrible outside off..either full toss or half volleys

mind boggling
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This is why I would have given Asghar a shot instead. Yasir has struggled in the last few matches.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Best spinner in the world according to a few :srini
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Doubts are raising on him being the Best leggie, let alone best spinner. He seems to have lost his control which was pretty much all he had to begin with. He doesn't turn the ball much, doesnt have a great googly or a flipper, so all he had was good control which he has lost now.
 
Madplayer said:
Ishant can bowl unplayable deliveries amidst all the trash. Wahab just bowl okay deliveries amidst all his trash.
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LOL no. The only time Ishant bowled some good deliveries was 8 long years back. Wahab turns up at least once every series.
 
qaiser said:
As I said before asghar and sharjeel should have played in place of Sami and Yasir
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As strange as it may seem, the bowling has become completely toothless. Batting is looking fine.
 
qaiser said:
As I said before asghar and sharjeel should have played in place of Sami and Yasir
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Asghar would've been murdered if Misbah would've sued him the same way. Yasir has bowled well in this series and no spinner is ready to replace him in the format. Just need to use him properly
 
King Kong said:
LOL no. The only time Ishant bowled some good deliveries was 8 long years back. Wahab turns up at least once every series.
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Seen him bowl some jaffas recently. Haven't seen anything special from wahab in past few matches though. Just bowled ok in last match.
 
When did Yasir bowled good in the series. May be you were watching some past games highlight
 
Wow in the first few overs the RR was 2. something and its above 4.5 now,Aussies can really do that.
 
Madplayer said:
Doubts are raising on him being the Best leggie, let alone best spinner. He seems to have lost his control which was pretty much all he had to begin with. He doesn't turn the ball much, doesnt have a great googly or a flipper, so all he had was good control which he has lost now.
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I think he has been overbowled by Misbah and forced to bowl negative lines etc. You need aggressive captain s who use quality leggies as wicket taking options not run containing ones.
 
aliasad1998 said:
Asghar would've been murdered if Misbah would've sued him the same way. Yasir has bowled well in this series and no spinner is ready to replace him in the format. Just need to use him properly
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The age old excuse of not being used properly. Yasir has struggled prior to this series. He lacks turn & a googly. I said it before & say again that he will struggle in Aus.
 
aussies scoring 7 runs per over....so many boundaries.

every pakistani is seeing our bowling attack in despair, disbelief, sense of hopelessness. land of waqar, wasim, shoaib, saqlain, now bowling witj whaba, rahat, sohail
 
in_cutter said:
The age old excuse of not being used properly. Yasir has struggled prior to this series. He lacks turn & a googly. I said it before & say again that he will struggle in Aus.
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Asghar would have been destroyed in Australia. And yes I will make that excuse because that's exactly what's happening. He has been used awfully
 
Madplayer said:
Doubts are raising on him being the Best leggie, let alone best spinner. He seems to have lost his control which was pretty much all he had to begin with. He doesn't turn the ball much, doesnt have a great googly or a flipper, so all he had was good control which he has lost now.
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I can understand him not being the best spinner, but who is other leggie better than Yasir. He has bowled poorly here , but leggies caan go for runs some time despite bowling well.
 
Its a sad sight when potentially the best spinner in the world is flayed and thrashed out of the attack.

No excuse is good enough.
 
in_cutter said:
The age old excuse of not being used properly. Yasir has struggled prior to this series. He lacks turn & a googly. I said it before & say again that he will struggle in Aus.
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a valid point

misbah is not an idiot. we are criticizing misbah a lot but is yasir up to task. i have second opinion now. he does not have much in his arsenal. no spin, no googly. thrashed for 3 boundaries in one over when he bowled on off stump line
 
Buffet said:
I can understand him not being the best spinner, but who is other leggie better than Yasir. He has bowled poorly here , but leggies caan go for runs some time despite bowling well.
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If he is considered the best leggie then it would be purely due to lack of ANY good leg spinner in the world right now.
 
Junaids said:
Misbah really is doing a sterling job in proving that he is not just a has-been as a batsman but as a captain too.

You get 20 overs to take wickets with a red Kookaburra. Defensive fields or lines in the first twenty overs are a form of suicide note. Yasir's field looks like it was set by somebody on day release from Twilight Pastures.

This is appalling captaincy - Australia could be 290-2 by the end of today, and the only team which can win.
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dont worry when he retires azhar ali will carry forward his legacy of hyper cautious unimaginative leadership
 
Madplayer said:
If he is considered the best leggie then it would be purely due to lack of ANY good leg spinner in the world right now.
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Normally you don't see too many good leggies at same time.
 
Madplayer said:
If he is considered the best leggie then it would be purely due to lack of ANY good leg spinner in the world right now.
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he went to 100 wickets in record time.
faster than ashwin, murali, waqar, mcgrath, steyn
warne rates him the best.
those are compelling reasons.
a few bad games do not not make a bad bowler.
 
Extremely poor from Wahab, the captain and then Yasir when he lost his confidence.

Think we've thrown any chance of victory away in those few hours to be honest.
 
We should have just continued batting instead of declaring at that point.

We won't be able to enforce the follow-on anymore as Australia are just racing away to 244.
 
Almost 220 overs left in the game, PLENTY of time for a result if no more overs are lost to rain.

Wahab's poor 1st spell gave Aussies the breaher they needed, a better spell and Aussies could have been struggling.
 
Yasir was the best spinner in the world until Mr Warne got interested and gave him some tips
 
New Yorker said:
he went to 100 wickets in record time.
faster than ashwin, murali, waqar, mcgrath, steyn
warne rates him the best.
those are compelling reasons.
a few bad games do not not make a bad bowler.
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Yes, i am purely talking about the current scenario i.e. last 4-5 games. He hasn't looked as threatening as he used to which is why i said he seems to have lost it.
Its a harsh truth that even bishoo looked more threatening in UAE.
 
qaiser said:
Yasir was the best spinner in the world until Mr Warne got interested and gave him some tips
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Probably not the right thread for this, but I have noticed when legendary ex-players tend to get involved in guiding a player, they tend to start performing worse.

Perhaps I'm just imagining it, but Wasim is an example I can think of off the top of my head. I can't help but think it might be to do with the fact that they just assume the player they are advising are just as talented as they were, and so the advice is not really applicable.

Perhaps just let the players play in the way that makes them successful.
 
Solid Snake said:
Probably not the right thread for this, but I have noticed when legendary ex-players tend to get involved in guiding a player, they tend to start performing worse.

Perhaps I'm just imagining it, but Wasim is an example I can think of off the top of my head. I can't help but think it might be to do with the fact that they just assume the player they are advising are just as talented as they were, and so the advice is not really applicable.

Perhaps just let the players play in the way that makes them successful.
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I somewhat agree but rahul dravid has done wonders for India's bench strength.
 
Madplayer said:
Seen him bowl some jaffas recently. Haven't seen anything special from wahab in past few matches though. Just bowled ok in last match.
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Ishant has become very consistent with his line and length, but one needs to have it in him to take wickets on flat pitches these days, which Ishant certainly lacks. He deserves that atrocious 37 average.
 
New Yorker said:
Junaid in Tests? Over Abbas, Pasha, Hasan Ali, etc etc. Eh?
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Oh damn I forgot to mention Ali Imran Pasha he is a good bowler to. Although my first choice would be Mir Hamza in Tests.

I would Take Junaid Khan over Hasan Ali because Hasan has been successful in LOI's for his amazing Variations. In Tests you need to be able to seam/swing the bowl and be patient if you can't and keep tha bowl in a good area. I can't comment on Abbas because I don't know much about him.

If you Ask me this is the way I rate them
1. Mir Hamza
2. Junaid Khan
3. Ali Imran Pasha
4. Amad Butt
 
Faisalabadimunda said:
Auss rr 4.66 wer as paks was 2.3 for tirst 35 ovs
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Well the Australians have had the easier of the batting conditions. The sun decided to come out as their innings started, a bit of luck went Warner's way and now they're cashing in on some poor bowling by Wahab and Yasir.
 
Only hope now is for the ball to start reversing. Otherwise we're in for a long final session and will probably be praying for rain tomorrow by the end of it.
 
Madplayer said:
I somewhat agree but rahul dravid has done wonders for India's bench strength.
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Hmmm yes good point. It may just come down to the person giving advice. Again this is just based on my observations, but despite their greatness I'm not convinced any technical advice from Akram or Warne particularly should be taken too seriously.
 
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Boi said:
Well the Australians have had the easier of the batting conditions. The sun decided to come out as their innings started, a bit of luck went Warner's way and now they're cashing in on some poor bowling by Wahab and Yasir.
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But they are playing under scoreboard pressure.
 
There is deep point and sweeper and these people are picking them easily. At this rate, Aussies will be 280/2 or 300/3 by EOD :facepalm:

ENG lost twice by an innings after scoring 400 and 477 so Misbah should not take it easy, if AUS get to 550-580 it will be tricky on last day for PAK as we saw in Chennai test.
 
it is unbelievable how smart and intuitive warnie is..amazing how much he understands cricket plus he gets the match situation so quickly
 
My initial doubts regarding Yasir have started to resurface again. His control is immaculate, but the lack of variations can prove to be his weakness once the batsmen start attacking him.

Ashwin clearly the number one spinner in the world. Has far more tricks up his sleeve. At his current level, he might go wicketless in unhelpful conditions, but he's not going to get smashed like this.
 
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