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Australia vs Ind | 4th test |Day 3 Adelaide | 25/01/2008
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Indiagem said:
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A quiet day's cricket on a flat pitch. Both teams needed to be a touch more aggressive.
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This game is heading towards a draw, if Australia scores 100 run lead they may even pull this off..
India needs quick wickets tommorow and a lead of 70+, then bat with a decent run rate and set Australia a total to chase in around 80 overs on the last day.
If Australia get past this total, they have a good chance of winning this only if they shoot India out for a low total in their 2nd innings.
In all fairness, this game is heading towards a draw.
If Australia get past this total, they have a good chance of winning this only if they shoot India out for a low total in their 2nd innings.
In all fairness, this game is heading towards a draw.
AK600 said:
Well they are in the box seat for a series win so in a sense they are playing for a win, India on the other hand will have to face their own demons. All this talk about them playing agressively and taking it up to the Aussies then they will get their opportunity when they have to declare their second innings. Will they be agressive in the second innings and try to smash the bowlers or just protect thier averages and play for the draw. Ball will be in Indias court and if they want a win then they need to put it all on the line.
Fish said:
at the rate aus is playing atm, they'd prolly be done by tea tomorrow. that gives india 4 sessions to finish off two innings.....i doubt if u can do that if u had bowlers like lillie, garner, donald, murlidharan, bond playing for the same team lol
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AK600 said:
they are playing for a series win. u fail to see the bigger picture
i totally understand that they want to win the series, but they are the team that always went for the jugular and what not. they like to have results, like to force a win.
so now if they play defensively for a draw, cant it be said that they are fearful that india might win? no one gave india any chance prior to the series, there were talks of a 4-0 whitewash, and now we have the best team playing defensively to avoid a defeat.
so now if they play defensively for a draw, cant it be said that they are fearful that india might win? no one gave india any chance prior to the series, there were talks of a 4-0 whitewash, and now we have the best team playing defensively to avoid a defeat.
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What we really have is a team that threatened to play agressively and take it up to Australia bowl over after over so far outside the off stump that the batsmen just let the ball go. Why didnt India bowl at the stumps and make the batsmen play, were they scared that the runs would flow.
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Uh they are scoring at an average run rate against a team bowling to defensive fields. Not going to hand their wickets over after spending nearly 2 days in the field.
The team can only go for the jugular if they are in a position to win (which is often early in the game for Aus). India have scored more than 500 in the first innings, have to neutralize that first.
The team can only go for the jugular if they are in a position to win (which is often early in the game for Aus). India have scored more than 500 in the first innings, have to neutralize that first.
the wickets that fell - got bowled, not caught behind or in the slips.
shows that the indians did bowl at or near the stumps. if u look at 100 overs, then see that 10 of those overs were outside the off stump n say that the indians bowled negatively, then i just dont even want to respond to that.
negative bowling was what giles did to tendulkar, not what kumble was doing today.
also, if the fast bowlers are just bowling so far outside off consistently, then shouldnt the aussies be hitting at em? considering that they are getting the width to free their arms? and if its just too wide, then wouldnt the umpires call it a wide if its done again n again?
shows that the indians did bowl at or near the stumps. if u look at 100 overs, then see that 10 of those overs were outside the off stump n say that the indians bowled negatively, then i just dont even want to respond to that.
negative bowling was what giles did to tendulkar, not what kumble was doing today.
also, if the fast bowlers are just bowling so far outside off consistently, then shouldnt the aussies be hitting at em? considering that they are getting the width to free their arms? and if its just too wide, then wouldnt the umpires call it a wide if its done again n again?
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India bowled defensively today and set defensive fields. They adopted the tactic of bowling wide to Hayden because they have no idea how to get him out as usual.
Criticism of the days play being dull should be aimed at India thank you.
Criticism of the days play being dull should be aimed at India thank you.
This match is toooo dull. I could only watch snatches of it. Both teams looked defensive and low on energy.
Both don't want to lose. India would rather 2-1 than 3-1, and for Australia 2-2 would mean the Indian media shouting 'we won the series'. I hope something happens on day 4 and 5, I agree wth Sehwag that one side should win. If this game goes on like this this pitch will have let everyone down
Both don't want to lose. India would rather 2-1 than 3-1, and for Australia 2-2 would mean the Indian media shouting 'we won the series'. I hope something happens on day 4 and 5, I agree wth Sehwag that one side should win. If this game goes on like this this pitch will have let everyone down
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Sounds like Sehwag is getting frustrated and thats a good sign for Australia. India have to win this match and if they rely on Australia to lose it instead of them winning it then they only have themselves to blame. I think India thought they would run through the Aussies and it has not happened and things are looking grim for them.
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Let's file that quote from Sehwag and see who wins at the end of this game.
"They're not going to win they're scared"?
"There is something wrong with their batting"? Is the score not 3/300ish? India score 526 over 5 and 1/3 sessions....
"They're not going to win they're scared"?
"There is something wrong with their batting"? Is the score not 3/300ish? India score 526 over 5 and 1/3 sessions....
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Dhonifan said:
Dhonifan, the Adelaide wicket usually gets criticism on the 3rd day for being too flat and somehow there always seems to be a result on the fifth day. There are more turns ahead
Wow Australia have got India all flustered and worried because they are not doing what India want them to. Australia will play how they want to regardless of what India or anyone else thinks. What are India going to do, complain because Australia didnt score fast enough. Sehwag seems more worried about the Australian team and what they are doing than what his team needs to do to win the game.
India made the claim the other day that they have the best bowling attack in the world and now they are complaining because they cant dismiss Australia and its all Australias fault. Australia is so scared of them that they wont lose wickets.
Does this mean that Dravid and Dhoni are scared of Australia.
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India made the claim the other day that they have the best bowling attack in the world and now they are complaining because they cant dismiss Australia and its all Australias fault. Australia is so scared of them that they wont lose wickets.
Does this mean that Dravid and Dhoni are scared of Australia.
) )Random Aussie said:Dhonifan, the Adelaide wicket usually gets criticism on the 3rd day for being too flat and somehow there always seems to be a result on the fifth day. There are more turns ahead
I am aware of that RA. Let's hope it does live up to it's reputation or a thrilling series will end in a whimper. By tea day 4 we should know.
Fish said:Wow Australia have got India all flustered and worried because they are not doing what India want them to. Australia will play how they want to regardless of what India or anyone else thinks. What are India going to do, complain because Australia didnt score fast enough. Sehwag seems more worried about the Australian team and what they are doing than what his team needs to do to win the game.
India made the claim the other day that they have the best bowling attack in the world and now they are complaining because they cant dismiss Australia and its all Australias fault. Australia is so scared of them that they wont lose wickets.
Does this mean that Dravid and Dhoni are scared of Australia.
Yes, we're gonna complain to Proctor who will listen to 'one side only'. Boy is Australia in trouble.
even if this match does end in a draw (via defensive aussie gameplay), then i dont know about world media/experts, but atleast the indian media would say that india outplayed aussies in their own backyard - atleast in tests.
if india wins this one, then ofcourse india would be hailed by even aussie media. the only way aussies can save their face is if they beat india here - with neutral umpires.
personally indians would have taken a 2-1 series defeat any day, and im sure they'd be glad now as well. the onus is on the aussies, they are the ones who need to prove that they are still the dominant side.
if india wins this one, then ofcourse india would be hailed by even aussie media. the only way aussies can save their face is if they beat india here - with neutral umpires.
personally indians would have taken a 2-1 series defeat any day, and im sure they'd be glad now as well. the onus is on the aussies, they are the ones who need to prove that they are still the dominant side.
AK600 said:
If India are happy to go home losers 1-2 and say we outplayed them it is a good result for everyone. I dont think Australia will mind but good luck expecting anyone other than an Indian to believe that a 1-2 loss means you outplayed them.
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I would disagree there. I think this team came with a positive attitude believing they can win. Even after Sydney, when we felt the team could be forgiven for losing the rest of the matches because of low morale, Kumble said they want to play good cricket and square the series. At that time I felt he was being optimistic, but now I feel he knew what he was talking about.
Fish said:
The books will say 2-1 to Aus, but most Indians will count Sydney as a prime example of one side beating the other with 13 players. You take that match out of the equation and we're equal, which actually means India outplayed Australia in Australia.
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LOL at Indians saying that Gilchrist should only go up when he know's the batsmen nicked it what about Dhoni seen him going up about 4 times when the bowl is no where near the bat since the 2nd test but it's alright for him to do it 
bunch of hypocrites
bunch of hypocrites
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Punter said:LOL at Indians saying that Gilchrist should only go up when he know's the batsmen nicked it what about Dhoni seen him going up about 4 times when the bowl is no where near the bat since the 2nd test but it's alright for him to do it
has Dhoni ever appealed for a caught behind when the batsman has not played a shot, has the bat safely tucked away behind his pad?
)Dhonifan said:has Dhoni ever appealed for a caught behind when the batsman has not played a shot, has the bat safely tucked away behind his pad?
Dont know about that one but I have seen a video of Dhoni taking the ball on the bounce then appealing.
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see if it ends in a draw India would not be jumping as to we managed a draw..A series win will please Australia because they would have beaten India..
and hey if Australia do not lose a wicket in the first session, all the agression will be back..100 runs lead and Aus might pull off a win here to make it 3-1..howver ensuring 2-1 makes more sense....
and hey if Australia do not lose a wicket in the first session, all the agression will be back..100 runs lead and Aus might pull off a win here to make it 3-1..howver ensuring 2-1 makes more sense....
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game evenly poised as aussies are still 200 behind.hopefully will see a gilly special on day 4 at some point!
Fish said:
already been discussed to death.
dhoni took pieterson's catch on the bounce (was very close btw), peterson walked and was called back. fair and square.
clarke claims a scraping-the-ground catch, ganguly stands, umpire asks ponting who asks clarke who says yes, ponting raises finger, umpire follows happily. fair?
every player at some point has made a false appeal, it's the umpire's job to turn it down, or at least be consistent in his errors.
Fish said:Wow Australia have got India all flustered and worried because they are not doing what India want them to. Australia will play how they want to regardless of what India or anyone else thinks. What are India going to do, complain because Australia didnt score fast enough. Sehwag seems more worried about the Australian team and what they are doing than what his team needs to do to win the game.
India made the claim the other day that they have the best bowling attack in the world and now they are complaining because they cant dismiss Australia and its all Australias fault. Australia is so scared of them that they wont lose wickets.
Does this mean that Dravid and Dhoni are scared of Australia.
I found it funny too, when i read the following at cricinfo:
Whats wrong with Indian team?
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Random Aussie said:Dhonifan, the Adelaide wicket usually gets criticism on the 3rd day for being too flat and somehow there always seems to be a result on the fifth day. There are more turns ahead
People always whinge about the wicket being flat - There has only been one draw in Adelaide in the past 10-odd years, to my recollection (there was one in 1998 and another in 1991).
In fact in every match here since 2003 (except for 2006) teams have scored at least 500+ in the first innings, with at least one player getting a double ton, and there has been a result. In 2003 OZ and India both scored 550+ in the 1st innings, with Ponting and Dravid getting doubles, yet there was a result. In 2005 OZ scored 550+ against NZ in the 1st innings with Langer getting a double and there was a result. In 2006 against WI both teams scored over 400+ in the 1st innings (Lara a double and Hussey 133) and there was still a result. While last year both OZ and England scored 500+ in the first innings (Collywobble scoring a double and FIGJAM, Ponting and Clarke tons) and there was still a result.
Unless Les Burdett, who's been the groundsman at the Adelaide Oval since the time that Lillee and Thommo were playing, has suddenly forgotten how to prepare a pitch, this pitch should provide a result. OZ need to get 500 at least as it will be tough batting last here against two spinners.
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It would be naive to think Australia don't contemplate on win. But they have some past experiences where they went for quick runs and imploded notably against India at this very venue. They want to make absolutely sure that they are safe before going for an onslaught. Sure there is a history where you can still not be safe even after making 526 runs. But for that two things need to happen. Get as close as possible to Indian total. Knock India out cheaply. Both are realistic. Even though the bowling quality may not be the same as the one with Warne/Mcgrath there is something called pressure that can shake even the best of the best.
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