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Just under 40 minutes to go till the 2nd ODI. Clarke obviously won't be playing so I assume Bailey will be leading.
 
Australia can go #1 in the ODI rankings today if they win this, and India loses to SL (latter is unlikely).
 
The pace and bounce should be very, very encouraging for Pakistan, and quite demoralising for India and Sri Lanka.

All three countries have 5 weeks to acclimatise before the knockout section of the World Cup starts - India have even longer of course.

But Pakistan rank along with Australia and South Africa as the only countries with a good enough pace attack to profit from the two new-balls for 20 overs.

Irfan, Junaid and Wahab Riaz are going to be a real threat at the World Cup.

It's probably also a reason to take Younis Khan - Pakistan are going to need to use three slips for the first 20 overs at the World Cup. Even Taufeeq Umar could be useful in that scenario, as a bloke who has batted well in South Africa and is the best Pakistani slip fielder.
 
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Junaids said:
The pace and bounce should be very, very encouraging for Pakistan, and quite demoralising for India and Sri Lanka.

All three countries have 5 weeks to acclimatise before the knockout section of the World Cup starts - India have even longer of course.

But Pakistan rank along with Australia and South Africa as the only countries with a good enough pace attack to profit from the two new-balls for 20 overs.

Irfan, Junaid and Wahab Riaz are going to be a real threat at the World Cup.

It's probably also a reason to take Younis Khan - Pakistan are going to need to use three slips for the first 20 overs at the World Cup. Even Taufeeq Umar could be useful in that scenario, as a bloke who has batted well in South Africa and is the best Pakistani slip fielder.
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Why?

They're not playing in Perth and their only game at the Gabba is against the Zimboks
 
Any odi bowling strength Pak enjoy is balanced by the clown college batting they have in ODIs. Pak should play its test batting line up [or close to] - they too may struggle in ODIs [they tend to be moderately aggressive players only] but they will last 50 overs. We have struggled to do that in recent times.

Small mercies and all that.
 
Convict said:
Why?

They're not playing in Perth and their only game at the Gabba is against the Zimboks
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The knockout games - which are all that matter - are at the SCG (2), MCG (2), Adelaide, Wellington and Auckland.

But we are seeing that the curators aren't producing pancake-like flat tracks this summer. The fear was that the SCG/MCG and Adelaide would be horrible flat tracks, but I think that they will have plenty for the opening bowlers, especially with a new nut at each end.

I think the Pakistani batsmen would struggle at the WACA or Gabba. But the above-mentioned locations should have enough for the quicks, without too much for Shehzad et al.
 
Brayshaw- Finch consistently shelling out soft catches to fielders in the ring is not a knock on a talented player - it's him being bad.

Junaids said:
The knockout games - which are all that matter - are at the SCG (2), MCG (2), Adelaide, Wellington and Auckland.

But we are seeing that the curators aren't producing pancake-like flat tracks this summer. The fear was that the SCG/MCG and Adelaide would be horrible flat tracks, but I think that they will have plenty for the opening bowlers, especially with a new nut at each end.

I think the Pakistani batsmen would struggle at the WACA or Gabba. But the above-mentioned locations should have enough for the quicks, without too much for Shehzad et al.
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I don't see what two matches in Perth have to do with Adelaide, Sydney and Melbourne to be honest.
 
ares1000 said:
Any odi bowling strength Pak enjoy is balanced by the clown college batting they have in ODIs. Pak should play its test batting line up [or close to] - they too may struggle in ODIs [they tend to be moderately aggressive players only] but they will last 50 overs. We have struggled to do that in recent times.

Small mercies and all that.
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I TOTALLY agree.

The two new-balls will make batting tricky for between 20 and 25 overs per innings against fast bowlers with slip cordons in place.

Pakistan has two choices:

a) Pick an India / Sri Lanka -style conventional attacking top order, and be 70-6 after 20 overs.
b) Pick a Test batting order, and be 50-1 after 20 overs.

I would pick the second option every time - in Australia.
 
Convict said:
Brayshaw- Finch consistently shelling out soft catches to fielders in the ring is not a knock on a talented player - it's him being bad.



I don't see what two matches in Perth have to do with Adelaide, Sydney and Melbourne to be honest.
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Firstly, I think Kohli and Rohit must be absolutely crapping themselves. (And Hafeez).

Secondly, it is looking obvious that the World Cup will be on fairly normal Aussie wickets, not flat score-bore-athons.
 
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I TOTALLY agree.

The two new-balls will make batting tricky for between 20 and 25 overs per innings against fast bowlers with slip cordons in place.

Pakistan has two choices:

a) Pick an India / Sri Lanka -style conventional attacking top order, and be 70-6 after 20 overs.
b) Pick a Test batting order, and be 50-1 after 20 overs.

I would pick the second option every time - in Australia.
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60-1 off 20. Urgency and all that. :hamster:
 
Junaids said:
Firstly, I think Kohli and Rohit must be absolutely crapping themselves. (And Hafeez).

Secondly, it is looking obvious that the World Cup will be on fairly normal Aussie wickets, not flat score-bore-athons.
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And fairly normal Adelaide wicket has no bounce or pace at all
 
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Really good going by the SA'n quicks here, this is slow start for Australian standards.

Has Philander transformed himself into an ODI bowler as well?
 
ares1000 said:
60-1 off 20. Urgency and all that. :hamster:
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I think it's plenty on Australian wickets.

Look at how Australia was 5-144 in the 30th over in the first ODI, but recovered to post 300 and win by 32 runs.

My preference for Pakistan on Aussie wickets is:

10 overs - 25-1
20 overs - 50-1
25 overs - 80-1
30 overs - 110-1
35 overs - 140-2
40 overs - 180-3
45 overs - 220-3
50 overs - 270-5

Frankly, that is the only way I can see Pakistan beating South Africa or Australia.
 
Convict said:
Which is why only one of him and Mitch Marsh will play tests- and bat at 6
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What's with all the m. marsh hype btw ? When he got bowled in the first game, the commies were saying he was a bit distracted. lol.
P.S. Watson is lbw. Again. Review anyone ?
 
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Swanny said:
What's with all the m. marsh hype btw ? When he got bowled in the first game, the commies were saying he was a bit distracted. lol.
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Because he's a pretty talented young player.

Don't listen to anything said by any channel 9 commentator. Just pure drivel
 
Junaids said:
The pace and bounce should be very, very encouraging for Pakistan, and quite demoralising for India and Sri Lanka.

All three countries have 5 weeks to acclimatise before the knockout section of the World Cup starts - India have even longer of course.

But Pakistan rank along with Australia and South Africa as the only countries with a good enough pace attack to profit from the two new-balls for 20 overs.

Irfan, Junaid and Wahab Riaz are going to be a real threat at the World Cup.

It's probably also a reason to take Younis Khan - Pakistan are going to need to use three slips for the first 20 overs at the World Cup. Even Taufeeq Umar could be useful in that scenario, as a bloke who has batted well in South Africa and is the best Pakistani slip fielder.
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Actually india's downfall has more to do with swing than bounce and it's not that we don't have bowlers to take advantage of these conditions, ours batters have it in them to hang around and score competitive runs on board.
 
Vayuu said:
Actually india's downfall has more to do with swing than bounce and it's not that we don't have bowlers to take advantage of these conditions, ours batters have it in them to hang around and score competitive runs on board.
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As evidenced. :mj
 
Vayuu said:
Actually india's downfall has more to do with swing than bounce and it's not that we don't have bowlers to take advantage of these conditions, ours batters have it in them to hang around and score competitive runs on board.
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The problem is that Yadav and Aaron are just too short for Australia. Skiddy bowlers often struggle there because they don't get much bounce.

I should clarify: India's batting is clearly better than Pakistan's - no argument.

The problem is that I can see Pakistan's pace attack reducing a top team to 34-4 after 11 overs, just like South Africa did today, and using that as a springboard to restrict the final total to around 220.

I don't think India's bowling attack is capable of that.
 
Junaids said:
The problem is that Yadav and Aaron are just too short for Australia. Skiddy bowlers often struggle there because they don't get much bounce.

I should clarify: India's batting is clearly better than Pakistan's - no argument.

The problem is that I can see Pakistan's pace attack reducing a top team to 34-4 after 11 overs, just like South Africa did today, and using that as a springboard to restrict the final total to around 220.

I don't think India's bowling attack is capable of that.
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You can be skiddy- Brett Lee had a skiddy trajectory springs to mind as a good example of similar pace to those two (assuming they show up bowling 145+ and haven't been trundlerised by the Indian schedule/handling yet) but they'll need to get their length right.

If they bowl too short to watch it fizz through they'll get hammered. Need to give it time to swing and bowl generally a couple of feet or so fuller than an Indian length.

Complimented by Ishants height on paper India should have a decent pace attack. The criminal thing is that instead of giving them experience in OS conditions, Dhoni has continually selected trundlers in front of real quicks (even in England).

So you have Ishant with experience and then two rookies. Better selection would see Yadav decently experienced too by now and then Arun as more a rooky.
 
Junaids said:
The problem is that Yadav and Aaron are just too short for Australia. Skiddy bowlers often struggle there because they don't get much bounce.

I should clarify: India's batting is clearly better than Pakistan's - no argument.

The problem is that I can see Pakistan's pace attack reducing a top team to 34-4 after 11 overs, just like South Africa did today, and using that as a springboard to restrict the final total to around 220.

I don't think India is capable of that.
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Well they are not too short either round about 6,and u are wrong skiddy bowlers struggle there and beside that if u think skiddy bowlers struggle there than my friend, even wahab and junaid are skiddy bowlers and Ishant and Shami are not skiddy bowlers, like I said swing is going to be more difficult for subcontinental teams, and don't get fooled by performances in uae and for india in india, the real test of both companies that is Misbah and co and Dhoni and co will be Australia.
 
Junaids said:
The problem is that Yadav and Aaron are just too short for Australia. Skiddy bowlers often struggle there because they don't get much bounce.

I should clarify: India's batting is clearly better than Pakistan's - no argument.

The problem is that I can see Pakistan's pace attack reducing a top team to 34-4 after 11 overs, just like South Africa did today, and using that as a springboard to restrict the final total to around 220.

I don't think India's bowling attack is capable of that.
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The other problem is even if pak reduces a team to 180 to 200, chances are that pak then may themselves be reduced to 150-160.
 
ares1000 said:
C'mon now, its 120.
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No man, I am serious, I like pak team, infact any team apart from india should be either pak or africa, but for subcontinent teams Australia has always been a difficult place to tour
 
Vayuu said:
No man, I am serious, I like pak team, infact any team apart from india should be either pak or africa, but for subcontinent teams Australia has always been a difficult place to tour
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I LOVE Team Pakistan. Been following them religiously for 25 years - but in that time I have come to develop a cynicism born of experience.
 
Nah man, I want a good game. Hope Aus get 250 plus. Will make it worth while.
 
The Big Show has to be one of the few good batsman who needs to be protected so often
 
Can the WWE sue Cricket Australia for calling Glenn Maxwell "The Big Show" ? :))
 
Agreed, it would take an extraordinary bowling effort to defend 220-230
 
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