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Armenia has declared martial law and ordered its military to mobilise after a major flare-up in violence with Azerbaijan over the disputed Nagorno-Karabakh region.

Heavy fighting between the two arch-foes broke out on Sunday, as they blamed each other for the escalation that led to reports of casualties.

Armenia accused neighbouring Azerbaijan of attacking civilian settlements in Nagorno-Karabakh – internationally recognised as part of Azerbaijan but controlled by Armenian forces – including the main city of Stepanakert. Armenia’s defence ministry said its forces downed two Azerbaijani helicopters and three drones in response to an attack it said began at 04:10 GMT.But Azerbaijan’s defence ministry said it launched a “counteroffensive to suppress Armenia’s combat activity and ensure the safety of the population”, using tanks, artillery missiles, combat aviation and drones. The ministry said an Azerbaijani helicopter had been downed but its crew had survived.

“There are reports of dead and wounded among civilians and military servicemen,” Hikmet Hajiyev, spokesman for the Azerbaijani presidency, said in a statement.

In a statement on Facebook, Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan said “the government has decided to declare martial law and a total mobilisation”, telling citizens to “get ready to defend our sacred homeland”.

Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev, meanwhile, said in a televised address to the nation that “there are losses among the Azerbaijani forces and the civilian population as a result of the Armenian bombardment”.

He warned that those using intimidation tactics against his country would regret it, adding that Azerbaijan defends its lands and Nagorno-Karabakh belongs to it.

In Nagorno-Karabakh, where officials also declared martial law and ordered citizens to mobilise, ombudsman Artak Beglaryan said “there are civilian casualties” among the population in the region. Separately, a spokesman for the Armenian defence ministry said an Armenian woman and child had been killed in Nagorno-Karabakh.

Al Jazeera’s Robin Forestier-Walker, who has covered the long-running conflict extensively, described Sunday’s flare-up as “a very serious escalation”.

Ethnic Armenians in the region declared independence as the Soviet Union was collapsing in 1991, kicking off a war that killed some 30,000 people and left Nagorno-Karabakh outside Baku’s control.

Though a ceasefire was agreed in 1994, Azerbaijan and Armenia frequently accuse each other of attacks around Nagorno-Karabakh and along the separate Azerbaijan-Armenia frontier.

Talks to resolve the Nagorno-Karabakh dispute have been largely stalled since the ceasefire agreement.

The Minsk Group, which includes France, Russia and the United States, has worked to mediate the dispute, but the last big push for a peace deal collapsed in 2010.

Russia on Sunday called for an immediate ceasefire and the start of talks. “We are calling on the sides to immediately halt fire and begin talks to stabilise the situation,” its foreign ministry said.

Turkish presidential spokesman Ibrahim Kalin tweeted: “Armenia has violated the ceasefire by attacking civilian settlements … The international community must immediately say stop to this dangerous provocation.”

In July, heavy clashes along the two countries’ shared border – hundreds of kilometres from Nagorno-Karabakh – killed at least 17 troops from both sides.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/9/27/heavy-fighting-erupts-in-disputed-nagorno-karabakh-region
 
Heavy fighting has erupted between Armenia and Azerbaijan over the disputed Nagorno-Karabakh region, with civilian deaths reported by both sides.

Accusing Azerbaijan of air and artillery attacks, Armenia reported downing helicopters and destroying tanks, and declared martial law.

Azerbaijan said it had begun a counter-offensive in response to shelling.

The region is internationally recognised as part of Azerbaijan but controlled by ethnic Armenians.

They broke away in the dying years of the Soviet Union. Both Armenia and Azerbaijan were part of the communist state, which sought to suppress ethnic and religious differences.

Amid the clashes, Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev said he was confident of regaining control over the breakaway region.

Martial law has also been declared in some regions of Azerbaijan.

The conflict in the Caucasus Mountains has remained unresolved for more than three decades, with periodic bouts of fighting. Border clashes in July killed at least 16 people, prompting the largest demonstration for years in the Azerbaijani capital Baku, where there were calls for the region's recapture.

On Sunday, Turkey's President Recep Tayyip Erdogan pledged support for Azerbaijan during the new crisis while Russia, traditionally seen as an ally of Armenia, called for an immediate ceasefire and talks to stabilise the situation.

How did the fighting spread?

Armenia's defence ministry said an attack on civilian settlements in Nagorno-Karabakh, including the regional capital Stepanakert, began at 08:10 local time (04:10 GMT) on Sunday.

A woman and child were killed, officials said.

Armenia said it had shot down two helicopters and three drones, as well as destroying three tanks.

"Our response will be proportionate, and the military-political leadership of Azerbaijan bears full responsibility for the situation," the defence ministry said.

Armenia's government declared martial law and total military mobilisation, shortly after a similar announcement by the authorities inside the separatist region.

"Get ready to defend our sacred homeland," Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan said after accusing Azerbaijan of "pre-planned aggression".

Warning that the region was on the brink of a "large-scale war", and accusing Turkey of "aggressive behaviour", he urged the international community to unite to prevent any further destabilisation.
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Azerbaijan's defence ministry said civilians had been killed or wounded by Armenian shelling of several of its villages.

It confirmed the loss of one helicopter but said the crew had survived, and reported that 12 Armenian air defence systems had been destroyed. It denied other losses reported by Armenia.

President Aliyev said he had ordered a large-scale counter-offensive operation in response to Armenian army attacks.

"As a result of the counter-offensive operation, a number of Azerbaijani residential areas that were under occupation have been liberated," he said in remarks broadcast on television.

"I am confident that our successful counter-offensive operation will put an end to the occupation, to the injustice, to the 30-year-long occupation."

Armenia's defence ministry denied any villages had been lost to Azerbaijan.

Nagorno-Karabakh - key facts

A mountainous region of about 4,400 sq km (1,700 sq miles)

Traditionally inhabited by Christian Armenians and Muslim Turks

In Soviet times, it became an autonomous region within the republic of Azerbaijan
Internationally recognised as part of Azerbaijan, but majority of population is ethnic Armenian

An estimated one million people displaced by 1990s war, and about 30,000 killed
Separatist forces captured some extra territory around the enclave in Azerbaijan in the 1990s war

Stalemate has largely prevailed since a 1994 ceasefire

President Erdogan called Armenia "the biggest threat to peace and tranquillity in the region".

Turkey has close ties to Azerbaijan and does not have relations with Armenia because of a dispute over the mass killing of Armenians during the Ottoman era. Armenia says this was a genocide but Turkey staunchly rejects this.

The Organisation for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) has long been trying to mediate a settlement of the conflict over Nagorno-Karabakh, with diplomats from France, Russia and the US - making up the OSCE Minsk Group - trying to build on a 1994 ceasefire.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54314341
 
Look at this tweet:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Faith & Power! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/StopAzerbaijaniAgression?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#StopAzerbaijaniAgression</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/StopAliyev?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#StopAliyev</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/KarabakhNow?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#KarabakhNow</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NKpeace?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NKpeace</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NKstrong?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NKstrong</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ArtsakhStrong?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ArtsakhStrong</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/%D5%80%D4%B1%D5%82%D4%B9%D4%B5%D4%BC%D5%88%D5%92%D4%B5%D5%86%D5%94?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ՀԱՂԹԵԼՈՒԵՆՔ</a> <a href="https://t.co/ql9cZkpYdu">pic.twitter.com/ql9cZkpYdu</a></p>— Armenia &#55356;&#56806;&#55356;&#56818; (@armenia) <a href="https://twitter.com/armenia/status/1310165919344320513?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 27, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Now imagine a muslim country's official handle posting something like this.
 
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Also look at this tweet for comic purposes:

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Fascinating where this could lead. Will the skirmishes remain confined to NK, or will full-fledged war break out? Will Turkey be dragged in, given its alliance with Azerbaijan and its historical antipathy for Armenia? How does this impact Iran, with its 25% Azeri population but it’s fraught relationship with Azerbaijan?
 
Also look at this tweet for comic purposes:

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:)))

You will always see an Andh Bhakt getting involved with matters irrelevant to them. As long as Muslim nation is involved, they take the opposite side.
 
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Also look at this tweet for comic purposes:
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No dearth of jazba and daleri
 
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Unique, almost like Armenia waited till Turkey converted the museums to mosques and before people could forget they waged it wonder what people of Nagorno-Karabakh would do..
 
Also look at this tweet for comic purposes:

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:)))

We can't control the entire population from delusion.
 
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Also look at this tweet for comic purposes:

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:)))

I swear man, if a conflict erupted between the island of Palau and the island of Micronesia, Indians would be getting involved. There's too many of them on the interwebs.
 
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Armenia has a tin pot military force with no airforce or any tanks to speak off. So not sure what they're mobilising. They'll get battered without outside (Russian) support.
 
I swear man, if a conflict erupted between the island of Palau and the island of Micronesia, Indians would be getting involved. There's too many of them on the interwebs.

To be fair, there is a reply to that tweet to stay out of it from an Indian.. do you expect to control every delusional Indian online?
 
Does Armenia even have a proper army? I think Azerbaijan will beat them badly.
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Turkey’s invasion of Armenia would activate the CSTO treaty, which in turn might activate the North Atlantic one. Scary. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NagornoKarabakh?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NagornoKarabakh</a></p>— Dmitri Trenin (@DmitriTrenin) <a href="https://twitter.com/DmitriTrenin/status/1310207406689918977?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 27, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Its almost like 19th century history course of Europe with the "treaties"
 
Look at this tweet:

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Now imagine a muslim country's official handle posting something like this.

If a Muslim country did this we would see dozens of articles calling for that country to be boycotted and declared a terrorist state lol.
 
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For anyone who does not know, Pakistan is the only country which does not recognize Armenia as a state.
 
Armenia has a tin pot military force with no airforce or any tanks to speak off. So not sure what they're mobilising. They'll get battered without outside (Russian) support.

Armenia humiliated Azerbaijan in their war 30 years ago. They are the ones who are occupying a significant amount of territory that Azerbaijan claims.
 
Armenia humiliated Azerbaijan in their war 30 years ago. They are the ones who are occupying a significant amount of territory that Azerbaijan claims.
That was 30 years ago. Right now Armenia has nothing. Punjab police with armoured vehicles and a trainer aircraft would beat them. No airforce no tanks. Nothing. You can maybe check online for their militaries before giving me knowledge.
 
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That was 30 years ago. Right now Armenia has nothing. Punjab police with armoured vehicles and a trainer aircraft would beat them. No airforce no tanks. Nothing. You can maybe check online for their militaries before giving me knowledge.

That’s surprising considering how traumatic the end of the Ottoman Empire was for them and then this NK conflict at their doorstep. Why didn’t they invest in their military?
 
That was 30 years ago. Right now Armenia has nothing. Punjab police with armoured vehicles and a trainer aircraft would beat them. No airforce no tanks. Nothing. You can maybe check online for their militaries before giving me knowledge.

But they seem to be doing well in this conflict so far at least according to news sources on Twitter. I guess we will see a clearer picture if this goes on for longer.
 
That’s surprising considering how traumatic the end of the Ottoman Empire was for them and then this NK conflict at their doorstep. Why didn’t they invest in their military?

Only 9 attack planes Vs 150, and 100 of tanks against 570. Active forces are less than 50 compared to nearly 200-300k.

I'm reading their capital was attacked. They won't survive a war unless Russia helps.
 
But they seem to be doing well in this conflict so far at least according to news sources on Twitter. I guess we will see a clearer picture if this goes on for longer.

When their 9 planes finish they will be sitting ducks.
 
That’s surprising considering how traumatic the end of the Ottoman Empire was for them and then this NK conflict at their doorstep. Why didn’t they invest in their military?

My guess is they are banking on help from Russia and NATO. Surely they cant be so delusional to not have a defense strategy in place. They have active disputes with neighbouring countries. Need to read up more on this.
 
Only 9 attack planes Vs 150, and 100 of tanks against 570. Active forces are less than 50 compared to nearly 200-300k.

I'm reading their capital was attacked. They won't survive a war unless Russia helps.

Sure, but I was wondering why this is so, considering their neighborhood.
 
My guess is they are banking on help from Russia and NATO. Surely they cant be so delusional to not have a defense strategy in place. They have active disputes with neighbouring countries. Need to read up more on this.

How can they be relying on NATO when their arch foe to the West, Turkey, is part of NATO?
 
I have heard somewhere that even Azerbaijan recognises Armenia and has trade ties with it. But not Pakistan :))

Well Pakistan does not have much to trade with Armenia, so very limited loss there. The benefit is for a very low price, Pakistan gets excellent relations with Turkey and Azerbaijan, and that comes in handy. Such as in FATF.
 
Sure, but I was wondering why this is so, considering their neighborhood.
I'm surprised too actually. Their economy doesn't seem to be great maybe that's why? Interestingly in the last war Israel also supported Azerbaijan
 
Well Pakistan does not have much to trade with Armenia, so very limited loss there. The benefit is for a very low price, Pakistan gets excellent relations with Turkey and Azerbaijan, and that comes in handy. Such as in FATF.

Exactly.

Armenia has close to zero influence. Recognizing them or not recognizing them doesn't have any major consequence.
 
That was 30 years ago. Right now Armenia has nothing. Punjab police with armoured vehicles and a trainer aircraft would beat them. No airforce no tanks. Nothing. You can maybe check online for their militaries before giving me knowledge.

But they seem to be doing well in this conflict so far at least according to news sources on Twitter. I guess we will see a clearer picture if this goes on for longer.

Armenia was able to hold of Azeri aggression in 2014 and 2016. Those conflicts were initiated by Azerbaijan, and they gained almost nothing from them.

Better weapons alone are not enough to win a war.
 
Armenia was able to hold of Azeri aggression in 2014 and 2016. Those conflicts were initiated by Azerbaijan, and they gained almost nothing from them.

Better weapons alone are not enough to win a war.

Not sure why now? In the middle of Covid when no country can afford war
 
Last war Iran supported Armenia and threatened to get involved to support Armenia!
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Head of Nagorny Karabakh at meeting of Security Council confirms Azerbaijani army advance on positions near Talish and in the South <a href="https://t.co/Hd297mVsHZ">https://t.co/Hd297mVsHZ</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Caucasus?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Caucasus</a></p>— Liveuamap (@Liveuamap) <a href="https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/1310279890722320384?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 27, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Well Pakistan does not have much to trade with Armenia, so very limited loss there. The benefit is for a very low price, Pakistan gets excellent relations with Turkey and Azerbaijan, and that comes in handy. Such as in FATF.

I wasnt talking about that. Just that Pakistan is doing something that even Azerbaijan isnt doing lol Sounds funny to be honest.
 
Also look at this tweet for comic purposes:

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Sar you lead, we are behand u all the way. India stands with you. inserts indian, russian, israeli, and uae flag.
 
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Pakistan demanded on Sunday Armenia stop its military action against Azerbaijan to avoid further escalation in the Nagorno-Karabakh region.

Pakistan is deeply concerned on the deteriorating security situation in Nagorno-Karabakh, its Foreign Office said in a statement.

“The intensive shelling by Armenian forces over the weekend on civilian populations of Azerbaijani villages of Terter, Aghdam, Fizuli and Jabrayil region is reprehensible and most unfortunate,” it said.

“This could compromise peace and security of the entire region.”

Islamabad said it stands with Azerbaijan and supports its right to self-defence. “We support Azerbaijan’s position on Nagorno-Karabakh, which is in line with the several unanimously adopted UN Security Council resolutions.”

Related: Azerbaijan, Armenia on war footing after casualties in heavy fighting

Baku and Yerevan put themselves on a war footing after heavy fighting erupted Sunday between Azerbaijan and Armenian separatists, claiming military and civilian casualties on both sides, including at least one child.

The worst clashes since 2016 have raised the spectre of a fresh war between arch enemies Azerbaijan and Armenia which have been locked for decades in a territorial dispute over the Armenia-backed breakaway region of Nagorny Karabakh.

A major confrontation between the ex-Soviet Caucasus neighbours would draw in big regional players Moscow and Ankara.

Russia, France, Germany and the EU swiftly urged an “immediate ceasefire,” while Pope Francis prayed for peace.

The Armenian defence ministry spokesman, Artsrun Hovhannisyan, said intense fighting continued along the Karabakh frontline Sunday afternoon.

Azerbaijan said it had captured seven of its Armenian-controlled villages, a claim Yerevan denied.
 
Not only the Humsaaya Mulk, but the Saudis too are standing with the Armenians against the Azeris. I think their goose is cooked:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We from <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SaudiArabia?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SaudiArabia</a> stand with <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Armenia?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Armenia</a> against the Ottomans invaders and terrorism! <br><br>&#55356;&#56824;&#55356;&#56806;&#55356;&#56806;&#55356;&#56818;&#55356;&#56824;&#55356;&#56806;&#55356;&#56806;&#55356;&#56818;&#55356;&#56824;&#55356;&#56806;&#55356;&#56806;&#55356;&#56818;&#55356;&#56824;&#55356;&#56806;&#55356;&#56806;&#55356;&#56818;&#55356;&#56824;&#55356;&#56806;&#55356;&#56806;&#55356;&#56818;&#55356;&#56824;&#55356;&#56806;&#55356;&#56806;&#55356;&#56818;<br>&#55356;&#56806;&#55356;&#56818;&#55356;&#56824;&#55356;&#56806;&#55356;&#56806;&#55356;&#56818;&#55356;&#56824;&#55356;&#56806;&#55356;&#56806;&#55356;&#56818;&#55356;&#56824;&#55356;&#56806;&#55356;&#56806;&#55356;&#56818;&#55356;&#56824;&#55356;&#56806;&#55356;&#56806;&#55356;&#56818;&#55356;&#56824;&#55356;&#56806;&#55356;&#56806;&#55356;&#56818;&#55356;&#56824;&#55356;&#56806;&#55356;&#56824;&#55356;&#56806;&#55356;&#56806;&#55356;&#56818;&#55356;&#56824;&#55356;&#56806;&#55356;&#56806;&#55356;&#56818;&#55356;&#56824;&#55356;&#56806;&#55356;&#56806;&#55356;&#56818;&#55356;&#56824;&#55356;&#56806;&#55356;&#56806;&#55356;&#56818;&#55356;&#56824;&#55356;&#56806;&#55356;&#56806;&#55356;&#56818;&#55356;&#56824;&#55356;&#56806;&#55356;&#56806;&#55356;&#56818;<br>&#55356;&#56806;&#55356;&#56818;&#55356;&#56824;&#55356;&#56806;&#55356;&#56806;&#55356;&#56818;&#55356;&#56824;&#55356;&#56806;&#55356;&#56806;&#55356;&#56818;&#55356;&#56824;&#55356;&#56806;&#55356;&#56806;&#55356;&#56818;&#55356;&#56824;&#55356;&#56806;&#55356;&#56806;&#55356;&#56818;&#55356;&#56824;&#55356;&#56806;&#55356;&#56806;&#55356;&#56818;&#55356;&#56824;&#55356;&#56806;<br>&#55356;&#56824;&#55356;&#56806;&#55356;&#56806;&#55356;&#56818;&#55356;&#56824;&#55356;&#56806;&#55356;&#56806;&#55356;&#56818;&#55356;&#56824;&#55356;&#56806;&#55356;&#56806;&#55356;&#56818;&#55356;&#56824;&#55356;&#56806;&#55356;&#56806;&#55356;&#56818;&#55356;&#56824;&#55356;&#56806;&#55356;&#56806;&#55356;&#56818;&#55356;&#56824;&#55356;&#56806;&#55356;&#56806;&#55356;&#56818;<br>&#55356;&#56806;&#55356;&#56818;&#55356;&#56824;&#55356;&#56806;&#55356;&#56806;&#55356;&#56818;&#55356;&#56824;&#55356;&#56806;&#55356;&#56806;&#55356;&#56818;&#55356;&#56824;&#55356;&#56806;&#55356;&#56806;&#55356;&#56818;&#55356;&#56824;&#55356;&#56806;&#55356;&#56806;&#55356;&#56818;&#55356;&#56824;&#55356;&#56806;&#55356;&#56806;&#55356;&#56818;&#55356;&#56824;&#55356;&#56806;<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ArmeniaStrong?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ArmeniaStrong</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BoycottTurkey?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BoycottTurkey</a> &#55356;&#57332;*☠️&#55356;&#56825;&#55356;&#56823; <a href="https://t.co/Z5lv2LQre3">pic.twitter.com/Z5lv2LQre3</a></p>— Ghaith (@GAITAMIMI1) <a href="https://twitter.com/GAITAMIMI1/status/1310200632809226241?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 27, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Also look at this tweet for comic purposes:

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I think reasonable justification could be there. If a guy has some sort of ties to Armenia, it shouldn't come as surprise.
 
Also look at this tweet for comic purposes:

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Not only the Humsaaya Mulk, but the Saudis too are standing with the Armenians against the Azeris. I think their goose is cooked:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We from <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SaudiArabia?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SaudiArabia</a> stand with <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Armenia?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Armenia</a> against the Ottomans invaders and terrorism! <br><br>������������������������������������������������<br>������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������<br>������������������������������������������������<br>������������������������������������������������<br>������������������������������������������������<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ArmeniaStrong?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ArmeniaStrong</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BoycottTurkey?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BoycottTurkey</a> ��*☠️���� <a href="https://t.co/Z5lv2LQre3">pic.twitter.com/Z5lv2LQre3</a></p>— Ghaith (@GAITAMIMI1) <a href="https://twitter.com/GAITAMIMI1/status/1310200632809226241?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 27, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I think reasonable justification could be there. If a guy has some sort of ties to Armenia, it shouldn't come as surprise.

It's just random posters. Likely not even from the country they are claiming to be from.
 
It's just random posters. Likely not even from the country they are claiming to be from.

Correct, but one wouldn't be surprised it they are somewhat representative, given the known public sentiments in their purported countries of origin.
 
Not only the Humsaaya Mulk, but the Saudis too are standing with the Armenians against the Azeris. I think their goose is cooked:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We from <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SaudiArabia?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SaudiArabia</a> stand with <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Armenia?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Armenia</a> against the Ottomans invaders and terrorism! <br><br>������������������������������������������������<br>������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������������<br>������������������������������������������������<br>������������������������������������������������<br>������������������������������������������������<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ArmeniaStrong?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ArmeniaStrong</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BoycottTurkey?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BoycottTurkey</a> ��*☠️���� <a href="https://t.co/Z5lv2LQre3">pic.twitter.com/Z5lv2LQre3</a></p>— Ghaith (@GAITAMIMI1) <a href="https://twitter.com/GAITAMIMI1/status/1310200632809226241?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 27, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I think it's hard to tell who-is-who now over social media with all the trolls and the governments employing psy-op strategies/perception management. But, that said, it will not surprise me an iota if the aal-e-Saud back literally anyone and everyone against the Turks.

This really reminds me of the major wars in the last century and how they started with small conflicts here and there until the domino effect kicked in and all of a sudden the whole world was embroiled in it except the Yanks.
 
I think reasonable justification could be there. If a guy has some sort of ties to Armenia, it shouldn't come as surprise.

It’s pretty obvious what the tie is. Azerbaijan is a Muslim country so some Indians would support anyone who attacks it. If you go on Twitter right now you would see more Indians supporting Armenia then actual Armenians lol.
 
But, that said, it will not surprise me an iota if the aal-e-Saud back literally anyone and everyone against the Turks.

In this conflict though, the Saudis supporting the Armenians would put them on the same side as the Iranians, who also support the Armenians.
 
Speaking of Iran, does anyone know how the Iranian Azeris feel about this? They comprise a quarter of the Iranian population. Do they have cordial links with their ethnic kin in Azerbaijan? How do they feel about their country supporting Armenia?
 
In this conflict though, the Saudis supporting the Armenians would put them on the same side as the Iranians, who also support the Armenians.

The lesser of the two evils I guess.

I also read a controversy once upon a time that both the power centers in Iran and Saudia were highly penetrated by z*o*n*s*s and it was in their interest to have the Islamic world divided into two poles but were internally working for the same goal.

At the end of the day, it's basically back to "Aunty gormint" and her saying "yeh saaray mil kar humain pagal bana rahay hain"
 
Armenia and Azerbaijan fight over disputed Nagorno-Karabakh

One of the world's oldest conflicts, a territorial dispute between Armenia and Azerbaijan, has re-erupted with the heaviest clashes in years.
At least 23 people were reported to have been killed on Sunday as the two ex-Soviet republics battled over the Nagorno-Karabakh region.
The region is internationally recognised as part of Azerbaijan but controlled by ethnic Armenians.
When it broke away in the early 1990s, tens of thousands died in fighting.

Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev said on Sunday he was confident of regaining control over the region.
Martial law has been declared amid the violence in some parts of Azerbaijan, as well as in Armenia and Nagorno-Karabakh.


The conflict in the Caucasus Mountains has remained unresolved for more than three decades, with periodic bouts of fighting.
Border clashes in July killed at least 16 people, prompting the largest demonstration in years in the Azerbaijani capital Baku, where there were calls for the region's recapture.
Any upsurge in violence could unsettle markets as the South Caucasus is a corridor for pipelines carrying oil and natural gas from the Caspian Sea to world markets.
Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan pledged support for Azerbaijan, urging the world to stand with the country in its "battle against invasion and cruelty". Azerbaijanis are a predominantly Turkic people with whom Turkey has close ties.
Russia, traditionally seen as an ally of Armenia, called for an immediate ceasefire and talks to stabilise the situation.
In other reaction:
UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres said he was "extremely concerned" over and called for both sides to stop fighting
France, which has a large Armenian community, called for an immediate ceasefire and dialogue
Iran, which borders both Azerbaijan and Armenia, offered to broker peace talks
President Donald Trump said the US was seeking to stop the violence

Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54314341.
 
Armenia was able to hold of Azeri aggression in 2014 and 2016. Those conflicts were initiated by Azerbaijan, and they gained almost nothing from them.

Better weapons alone are not enough to win a war.

cant really call trying to liberate part of your own country aggression. This is like Pakistan taking over parts of Hyderabad and supporting an insurgency of Muslims, and also surrounding areas. What would India do? especially if even the UN says its your territory?? not even disputed?
 
Azerbaijan’s military took a serious beating. I saw a video which shows a number of tanks and APCs destroyed with many dead bodies laying about.
 
The lesser of the two evils I guess.

I also read a controversy once upon a time that both the power centers in Iran and Saudia were highly penetrated by z*o*n*s*s and it was in their interest to have the Islamic world divided into two poles but were internally working for the same goal.

At the end of the day, it's basically back to "Aunty gormint" and her saying "yeh saaray mil kar humain pagal bana rahay hain"

Not sure why Pakistanis keep calling Saudi Arabia as Saudia, I have noticed only we do it. Saudia is a nickname for their airlines. Not having a pop at you, just saying :))
 
Not sure why Pakistanis keep calling Saudi Arabia as Saudia, I have noticed only we do it. Saudia is a nickname for their airlines. Not having a pop at you, just saying :))

Without trying to derail the thread, it's mostly because the Arabic name of the country is "Al mumlikha tul Arabia As Saudia" and it became a common thing to just use the last name of the country.

(Even if you were taking a pop at me, it'd be fine)
 
If we go by reports, The Azeris are getting battered by the Armenians so far. Dont know how true it is.
 
If we go by reports, The Azeris are getting battered by the Armenians so far. Dont know how true it is.

True but the thing is Armenians and their supporters seem to have a way larger presence on social media(especially the English one) then the Azeris so the news reports may be biased. I think things will be clearer when official statements start coming out.
 
Not sure why Pakistanis keep calling Saudi Arabia as Saudia, I have noticed only we do it. Saudia is a nickname for their airlines. Not having a pop at you, just saying :))

In urdu it is Saudia Arab
In arabic it is Saudia Arabia
in English it is Saudi Arabia

Hence the reason why a lot of Pakistanis say Saudia instead of Saudi. Urdu is their first language (or national language).
 
If UN recognizes that is Azerbaijan's land, then it should be rightfully given to them. Armenian occupation is no different than Indian occupation of Kashmir or Israel's of Palestinian territories.
 
If we go by reports, The Azeris are getting battered by the Armenians so far. Dont know how true it is.

It's very hard to be on the offensive one needs 3:1 odds to win

And Azeris might have the weapons but are they well trained to use these weapons?
 
It's very hard to be on the offensive one needs 3:1 odds to win

And Azeris might have the weapons but are they well trained to use these weapons?
Especially with modern day sophisticated weapons
 
If UN recognizes that is Azerbaijan's land, then it should be rightfully given to them. Armenian occupation is no different than Indian occupation of Kashmir or Israel's of Palestinian territories.

Can see Turkey and Russia getting dragged in, but hopefully they'll see sense and stay out of it. There's enough going on already with the Syria debacle, don't want to see the field of conflict expanded. Let them sort it out themselves.
 
If UN recognizes that is Azerbaijan's land, then it should be rightfully given to them. Armenian occupation is no different than Indian occupation of Kashmir or Israel's of Palestinian territories.

But unlike Kashmir people in Nagorno-Karabakh are ethnically armenian
Its UN recognized because under stalin this region was given to Azeri administration/province but the people living thier were armenian

This conflict is more like india invading azad Kashmir (because technically/on the books it's an indian state because of the maharaja and his decisions but we know it shouldn't be that way because of muslim population)
So it's technically a Azeri territory but it isn't because it's under Armenian control and shouldn't be because it's ethnically armenian but to satisfy the international cammunity they created another state Republic of Artsakh
 
But unlike Kashmir people in Nagorno-Karabakh are ethnically armenian
Its UN recognized because under stalin this region was given to Azeri administration/province but the people living thier were armenian

This conflict is more like india invading azad Kashmir (because technically/on the books it's an indian state because of the maharaja and his decisions but we know it shouldn't be that way because of muslim population)
So it's technically a Azeri territory but it isn't because it's under Armenian control and shouldn't be because it's ethnically armenian but to satisfy the international cammunity they created another state Republic of Artsakh

Nagorno-Karabakh is Armenian, but the Armenians also control 7 districts around Nagorno-Karabakh, which had Azeri majority before the war.
 
cant really call trying to liberate part of your own country aggression. This is like Pakistan taking over parts of Hyderabad and supporting an insurgency of Muslims, and also surrounding areas. What would India do? especially if even the UN says its your territory?? not even disputed?

I agree. My word choice was wrong. My main point was that the Azeri started the war to regain this territory and lost.
 
I agree. My word choice was wrong. My main point was that the Azeri started the war to regain this territory and lost.

You are correct but they wont lose this time.

Armenia has a nuclear power plant 20 odd miles from it's capital. Azeris can easily hit this and end the war pretty quickly, taking all it's Int rec land in a matter of hours if they so wish.

I think this will escalate further yet.
 
Heavy fighting that erupted on Sunday between Azerbaijani and Armenian military forces over the disputed Nagorno-Karabakh region continued overnight and into Monday morning.

Military and civilian deaths have been reported from both sides, in the worst escalation in violence since 2016.

Most of the international community, including the United States, Russia, Iran and European powers, have been calling for an end to hostilities and the start of talks.
 
Nagorno-Karabakh is Armenian, but the Armenians also control 7 districts around Nagorno-Karabakh, which had Azeri majority before the war.

I didn't know that interesting!
but I am pretty sure if they are winning the war they would take all of the region
 
I have heard somewhere that even Azerbaijan recognises Armenia and has trade ties with it. But not Pakistan :))
Its very hard to figure out what Pakistan consider its national interests and how it makes its policies.
 
But unlike Kashmir people in Nagorno-Karabakh are ethnically armenian
Its UN recognized because under stalin this region was given to Azeri administration/province but the people living thier were armenian

This conflict is more like india invading azad Kashmir (because technically/on the books it's an indian state because of the maharaja and his decisions but we know it shouldn't be that way because of muslim population)
So it's technically a Azeri territory but it isn't because it's under Armenian control and shouldn't be because it's ethnically armenian but to satisfy the international cammunity they created another state Republic of Artsakh

It also had a sizeable Azeri population which had to flee during the war after the collapse of the Soviet Union.
 
If UN recognizes that is Azerbaijan's land, then it should be rightfully given to them. Armenian occupation is no different than Indian occupation of Kashmir or Israel's of Palestinian territories.

Well technically it's not the same and the UN is a dummy body, it means nothing and if tomorrow they hand over Palestine and Kashmir to Israel and India respectively then would we accept it? Of course not.

Also Azerbaijan isn't the best state to root for, while they may have great relations with Pakistan, the Azeris actually recognize Israel and supply them with 40% of their Oil and have given Israel billions of dollars in exchange for weapons so they're actually complicit supporting the occupation and genocide of Palestinians.
 
I don't want to believe conspiracy theories but doesn't anyone believe it was done to cause issues to the oil supply in that region to increase the price?
 
But unlike Kashmir people in Nagorno-Karabakh are ethnically armenian
Its UN recognized because under stalin this region was given to Azeri administration/province but the people living thier were armenian

This conflict is more like india invading azad Kashmir (because technically/on the books it's an indian state because of the maharaja and his decisions but we know it shouldn't be that way because of muslim population)
So it's technically a Azeri territory but it isn't because it's under Armenian control and shouldn't be because it's ethnically armenian but to satisfy the international cammunity they created another state Republic of Artsakh

Well technically it's not the same and the UN is a dummy body, it means nothing and if tomorrow they hand over Palestine and Kashmir to Israel and India respectively then would we accept it? Of course not.

Also Azerbaijan isn't the best state to root for, while they may have great relations with Pakistan, the Azeris actually recognize Israel and supply them with 40% of their Oil and have given Israel billions of dollars in exchange for weapons so they're actually complicit supporting the occupation and genocide of Palestinians.

Interesting!
Thanks for the information. I think I need to do more research on this topic and learn more. Apologies if it seems I am picking a side. All I read was about the UN resolution on the region and nothing else. Thanks again for the input guys.
 
Interesting!
Thanks for the information. I think I need to do more research on this topic and learn more. Apologies if it seems I am picking a side. All I read was about the UN resolution on the region and nothing else. Thanks again for the input guys.

Tbh I'm slight in Azerbaijan's side simply because Armenians generally don't like Pakistanis and look down on us but that's because we're the only country in the world that doesn't recognize them plus we supported Azerbaijan in the first karabakh war 30 years ago and we're also fervent Turkish supporters so we kind of don't have a choice but stay in the same camp.
 
Tbh I'm slight in Azerbaijan's side simply because Armenians generally don't like Pakistanis and look down on us but that's because we're the only country in the world that doesn't recognize them plus we supported Azerbaijan in the first karabakh war 30 years ago and we're also fervent Turkish supporters so we kind of don't have a choice but stay in the same camp.

I think its kinda stupid the way Pakistan makes enemies like this I mean for... and I don't know what reasons. Pakistan not recognising Armenia is just lame when even Turkey does.

It just seems very petty and immature.
 
Pakistan has a knack of sticking its nose where it doesn’t belong. Why doesn’t Pakistan recognise Armenia? Ummah kay taykaydaar bann tay hai!
 
Pakistan has a knack of sticking its nose where it doesn’t belong. Why doesn’t Pakistan recognise Armenia? Ummah kay taykaydaar bann tay hai!

Instead of your first thought being attack religion(again), please try to stand back and think.

Pakistan cannot recoginse a nation which at the time of it's independence was in conflict and since has been occupying land. If Pakistan were to recognise Armenia it would mean their argument on Kashmir and Palestine fails.
 
Instead of your first thought being attack religion(again), please try to stand back and think.

Pakistan cannot recoginse a nation which at the time of it's independence was in conflict and since has been occupying land. If Pakistan were to recognise Armenia it would mean their argument on Kashmir and Palestine fails.

Actually that's a weak argument cause the whole world recognizes Armenia, just cause we recognize Armenia doesn't mean we recognize their claims over Karabakh :facepalm: Even Turkey and Azerbaijan recognize Armenia as a state. By recognition we're talking about the Armenian state not the disputed lands.
 
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