Mir jibran
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so upcoming english tour ll give us a clear picture regarding azhar ali
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I'd rather have a Pujara vs Umar Akmal thread
Azhar is better against pace.
Pujara is far superior against spin.
Pujara's confidence is at an all time low. Replacements (read Rahul) are breathing down the neck.Tough times.. Even 40-50 is not enough to keep him in the team..
Pujara is needed for away tough tours to blunt the new ball- with Rahul its either a century or nothing, bit of a gamble. I would persist with Che- we need an old school bat in our new age "aggressive" style of playing. He needs to be our Jonathan Trott for Kohli Pietersen and Rohit Bell to flourish.
Agreed. Pujara's strike rate theory was debunked yesterday when even Virat Richards found it tough to go at 40 per 100 balls.. Sanju Manju was calling for the axe repeatedly. Someone needs to remind him of his own credentials.
Azhar is a limited player, but a very hard working & disciplined player. He is a type of player who always gives his best & often out performs his capability. I actually don't agree that his only success is on UAE roads - his 150+ in UAE against ENG (& a 70+ in previous Test) was as difficult as anywhere one can get. Also, in his debut series, he made an outstanding 91* against the English pace attack, probably at their peak. I was really impressed his 103* in UAE, chasing that sort of target. I think, Azhar is a better player than he looks - but he is not much flamboyant - teams can restrict his scoring shot, which I don't think is a big problem in Test batting at 2 or 3. But, I don't think he 'll have a career average over 50.
Pujara looks to be a near perfect No. 3. He should finish his career with 50+ average. Only problem is Sajay Majreker looked to be even better before he started to visit out side subcontinent. Pujara 'll always score runs, tons of that in home condition, but since the J'burg Test, he is declining alarmingly - from an average of 65, it has come down under 50 & as the WI Series is postponed, after AUS tour his average might come closer to 40 than 50. Personally, I think Rahne is a better bat than Pujara, though Pujara 'll end up with highest average among this lot for his capability of making hay in sun shine.
Unless he proves me wrong in AUS, he might replace Vinod Kambli as the most undeserving batsman with a career average over 50.
Azhar Ali has played more important and match winning innings I guess. Pujara was hyped up to be the next rahul dravid. If he wants to improve he should play odi cricket as well. He goes into a shell sometimes and disrupt the momentum.
India cant afford him in the ODI team just so he improves. They have a dynamic lineup with the likes of Rahul and Pandey knocking on the doors.
He can play as an opener. He can be india's hashim amla.
What did Pujara do in England I can't seem to recall..
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Azhar is ahead. Pujara is on the same level as Shafiq, Rahane and Bravo. In Tier 2.
In subcontinent conditions its pujara but not by a huge margin, outside it is azhar ali by a huge margin.
In subcontinent Pujara averages 66 and Azhar 55. But that's not a huge margin.
However Azhar averaging 34 is ahead of Pujara averaging 30 by huge margin?
Rahane who is best Asian batsman outside Asia, is way ahead of Azhar.
Azhar averages 34 outside Asia while Rahane averages 50. Rahane has already hit 5 hundreds away
It's like comparing Ashwin and Kohli and saying Ashwin is better batsman.
Just cause he is good outside Asia, doesn't mean he is better overall. Rahane only has 8 100s and 9 fifties. Azhar has 12 100s and 24 fifties. You forgot to mention that Rahane only has three 100s in Asia while Azhar has ten. A much better record for Azhar.
Rahane has better average overall.
Rahane has better scoring rate if you consider number of 100s. 8 hundreds in 32 matches v 12 100s in 56 matches.
Azhar is better in Asian condition. Rahane is better in overseas conditions.
Rahane has played only 11 matches at home so far.
Overall Rahane is easily ahead of him.
Rahane bats at 4 or 5 where average will obviously be higher than 1, 2 or 3.
Rahane bats at 4 or 5 where it is easier to score at a quicker rate than 1, 2 or 3.
India play 5 tests vs England while we play 4. India play 4 Tests vs Australia while we play 3. Surplus overseas.
Rahane has played only 11 matches at home so far.
So he hasn't played enough matches to consider him better than Azhar.
Are you still talking about tests?
How is batting at 5 gives you obvious higher average?
Openers don't need 50+ average to be great. 3, 4 and 5 do.
And Azhar has played entire career opening the innings?
He averages 58 as an opener. Pretty good so far.
Azhar Ali is scoring runs. But they are at an extreme slow pace. No Indian batsman scores at 1.5 to 2 RPO for almost a full day just to get a century.
Azhar Ali never dominates and never imposes his will on the opposition even after batting for 3 days.
I will not trade any of the Indian batsman for Azhar Ali.![]()
Well he has scored more runs at a better average and strike rate than Murali Vijay this year...
Both are really different Batsmen:
Azhar Ali in England
24 innings
29.68 avg
41.43 sr
Cheteshwar Pujara in England
18 innings
29.41 avg
40.45 sr
Azhar Ali in Australia
8 innings
81.20 avg
Cheteshwar Pujara in Australia
6 innings
33.50 avg
Azhar NZ
7 innings
29.43 avg
Pujara NZ
4 innings
22.00 avg
Azhar SA
6 innings
29.95 avg
Pujara SA
18 innings
38.88 avg
Both are average in SENA, thought Azhar was better before seeing the stats !
Pakistan Middel order Line up Azhar,Younis,Misbah,Asad is comparable to Pujara,Sachin,Kohil,Yuvraj
Typical so called 'fans', slagging azhar now his past it. For most of the last decade azhar was superior to pujara, pujara being a home track bully and azhar scoring centuries and double centuries in england and australia.another "virat vs akmal" kinda thread!
It's so much fun reading the old comments on this thread!
Some people even called Pujara an overrated player and Azar is World class!.
Typical so called 'fans', slagging azhar now his past it. For most of the last decade azhar was superior to pujara, pujara being a home track bully and azhar scoring centuries and double centuries in england and australia.
Now pujara has done well on the flat aussie tracks and azhar is playing when he should have retired, people are calling pujara some kind of big time player and azhar a bum.
Azhar was better than pujara in tests and he also helped Pakistan win a icc trophy as well, something pujara can only dream about.
Winner is azhar but if he does not require quick time, i might have to reverse the decision.
'You can die young as a hero or live long enough to become a villian.'
Azhar is a tailender outside his home these days. He averages 16 in SA, in 20s in both NZ and England. The only place he's done well is Australia, where too he failed to save his team from losing every single game.
Moreover Azhar is a bottler. Even at his prime he fumbled a easy chase against NZ in UAE.
There is no comparison with Pujara who is a match winner.
Typical so called 'fans', slagging azhar now his past it. For most of the last decade azhar was superior to pujara, pujara being a home track bully and azhar scoring centuries and double centuries in england and australia.
Now pujara has done well on the flat aussie tracks and azhar is playing when he should have retired, people are calling pujara some kind of big time player and azhar a bum.
Azhar was better than pujara in tests and he also helped Pakistan win a icc trophy as well, something pujara can only dream about.
Winner is azhar but if he does not require quick time, i might have to reverse the decision.
'You can die young as a hero or live long enough to become a villian.'
This is so funny, even Pakistani posters will probably laugh![]()
This is so funny, even Pakistani posters will probably laugh![]()