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Babar Azam and Haris Sohail : Best batting duo in the world?

As of now pant is a better test batsman than babar. He avgs 43 compared to babars 35.
Kohli is too big a name to be compared with babar azam.
 
SarfiBabarHaris said:
Better to be direct and straight forward rather than to be diplomatic and play with words.. potential, this, that etc etc

After all its a Pakistani forum, if we dont back our players then who will, Indians or expert Bangladeshis? Well done to OP.
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So being delusional equals to supporting your players? Maybe we too should declare Hardik Pandya the best all rounder currently to show our support for him.
 
Rayyman said:
I am sorry bro only KW and Taylor count, but Taylor is a bunny v.s. spin and is past his prime.

Smith and Warner are banned, plus they're not a middle-order duo

Rahane isn't good enough for ODIs.

De Kock bats at 7 in Tests, plus Amla is declining at an alarming rate. And they are openers.

Bairstow opens in ODIs and he is not even a sure starter in their XI.

Babar-Haris is the best in the world. And you only supported this claim by failing to prove me wrong.
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Still no counter arguments to this....
 
Okay on a serious note, I would like to say that the premise of OP itself is wrong.

If you're talking about a batting duo, then the only factor that should matter is runs scored in partnerships and the partnership avg, etc.

If you're using individual stats to claim that Babar-Harris as a duo is better than anyone else then it's a flawed logic from the start.

So I would request OP to post the relevant stats for this thread - the partnership figures for Babar & Harris across formats.
 
the_outsider said:
Okay on a serious note, I would like to say that the premise of OP itself is wrong.

If you're talking about a batting duo, then the only factor that should matter is runs scored in partnerships and the partnership avg, etc.

If you're using individual stats to claim that Babar-Harris as a duo is better than anyone else then it's a flawed logic from the start.

So I would request OP to post the relevant stats for this thread - the partnership figures for Babar & Harris across formats.
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Mate joke thread! the thread is made on basically one partnership which in itself was no wonder partnership and been done many times before by other duos. I dont know why people are giving so much millage to this thread.
 
Pakhs said:
Mate joke thread! the thread is made on basically one partnership which in itself was no wonder partnership and been done many times before by other duos. I dont know why people are giving so much millage to this thread.
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[MENTION=137148]Rayyman[/MENTION] and [MENTION=143023]SarfiBabarHaris[/MENTION] seems to have taken this thread to heart. I thought let's give them a fair shot. Maybe once they realise that these haven't even scored 500 runs together in partnerships, maybe they will also realise how silly this thread is.
 
Guys whats up with the “best”, “worst” in the world threads?

Not everything has to be best or worst in the world in such a straight forward way.

Also most of such things are subjective but at the moment they havent batted with each other that much to call anything.

Can they become one of the top duos in the world? Could have been a better thread. And yes I believe they can be one of the top ones if they keep working hard.

Any match changing partnership in SA will definitely give the big steps in the right direction as duo.
 
Hitman said:
Being positive is completely different from being delusional. It's one thing to say they have lots of potential, another to declare them the best batting duo in the world.
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If you don't agree with his opinion your not a true fan and your attention seeking. Just ignore him.
 
By virtue of one innings,if this the best batting pair then by that logic krunal pandya is best t20 allrounder based on his performance in last t20 game
 
And what was the contribution of this best due in 176 runs chase.
 
Joke of a thread , i can not blame Indian bros tirelessly defending their non performing players after seeing such knee jerk threads .They have been for the first time in any significant partnership in tests and we are seeing this thread popping out .
 
One innings and we start labeling greatest, ATG, best, seriously people have some standards before labeling players:dw.

Atleast give some time for players to prove themselves in different conditions against different bowlers.
 
They definitely are but they don't have the stats or sample size to back it up.
 
See, we can't make these analysis on one match. It takes a good enough sample and good enough partnerships between the duo to remember them as the best batting pair of the world.

Currently, it is Kane and Ross. Some are saying Ross can't play spin, what's the guarantee the duo will be all-condition bat?? And Ross has done fare enough in Asia as well.

Then you have Root and Bairstow, perhaps more likely if latters bats at 3 as per the looks of things. Kohli and Pujara or even Kohli and Rahane are other ones. At this point, they all are ahead.

The thread should have been, "Can Babar-Haris become the best batting duo in the world for certain point of time or for next few years? "
 
world's best on the basis of 1 test is a premature conclusion. so far I can't say they are the best pair in Pakistani lineup but I admit that both are talented have the potential to become best batting pair in pak lineup
 
Godhelpma said:
Joke of a thread , i can not blame Indian bros tirelessly defending their non performing players after seeing such knee jerk threads .
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I will never understand why some Pakistanis are so obsessed what Indians and Bangladeshi POSTERS think about us.

Honestly for me when it comes to our players their opinions don't matter much.
 
Hitman said:
So being delusional equals to supporting your players? Maybe we too should declare Hardik Pandya the best all rounder currently to show our support for him.
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Hardik couldn’t tie harris’ shoelaces
Harris is also a much better spinner

Harris, Babar have certainly shown their potential,temperament and ability
Great on the eye too
 
One thing posters are missing is that op is talking about tests and odis combined and its not the 2000s that we have top class batting duos like Tendu-Dravid, Sanga-Mahela, Inzi-Yousuf etc.

The few comparable batting duos in current time tests+odis combined are:

Taylor-Kane
Root-Bairstow (now that Bairstow is a batsman and wont have keeping burden)
Hetmyer-Hope
Amla-De-Kock?
 
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Going by the 'logic' of op, Karun Nair is the greatest batsman in the world and better than any Pakistani batsman ever because he averages 61. Who cares if he has played like 5 tests.
 
the op is gone to far but the fact is they have the potential to rule on the cricketing world for years
its up to them how they react now :ba :haris
 
SarfiBabarHaris said:
With all the negativity, we need more people with positive views in this thread. [MENTION=131678]Madplayer[/MENTION]
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Its a shame that Pakistan fans engage in self loathing just for the fear of what Indians would say. The state of their defeatist mindset is such that they wont bat an eye if you call Babar or Haris as rubbish players. But if you dare call them good, these fans would lambast you for it.

Babar-Haris have the potential of reaching Inzi-yousuf standards. Haris has lost some years which works against him but he is too good for the world to ignore him for long. Babar is all class and still nowhere near his peak which would start when he is around 27-28 years of age.
 
Madplayer said:
Its a shame that Pakistan fans engage in self loathing just for the fear of what Indians would say. The state of their defeatist mindset is such that they wont bat an eye if you call Babar or Haris as rubbish players. But if you dare call them good, these fans would lambast you for it.

Babar-Haris have the potential of reaching Inzi-yousuf standards. Haris has lost some years which works against him but he is too good for the world to ignore him for long. Babar is all class and still nowhere near his peak which would start when he is around 27-28 years of age.
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But Babar is a rubbish player though.
 
Madplayer said:
Its a shame that Pakistan fans engage in self loathing just for the fear of what Indians would say. The state of their defeatist mindset is such that they wont bat an eye if you call Babar or Haris as rubbish players. But if you dare call them good, these fans would lambast you for it.

Babar-Haris have the potential of reaching Inzi-yousuf standards. Haris has lost some years which works against him but he is too good for the world to ignore him for long. Babar is all class and still nowhere near his peak which would start when he is around 27-28 years of age.
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Bingo!

10/10, great post!
 
SarfiBabarHaris said:
I will never understand why some Pakistanis are so obsessed what Indians and Bangladeshi POSTERS think about us.

Honestly for me when it comes to our players their opinions don't matter much.
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Bro You will not understand because you failed to get what I wrote in that msg .OP is an exaggerated response to one good partnership. And like this thread some foreign posters, I observed , stick to their point of view irrespective of the obvious stats , impacts etc.Exaggeration is a phenomenon , I would never like .
 
Certainly better than azhar and shafiq combo, but behind yosuf younis combo in tests by quiet a good margin
 
Maybe the government should give them a reward for being the best ever.

A new car or something.
 
1 game at a time but the left hand -right hand combination certainly helps. They would have to play a lot more tests together to warrant any comparisons with other international partnerships
 
As long as they win us games, who cares about being the best in the world? Lol sometimes we go OTT after a win. Be happy and move onto the next game. That’s what this format is about.
 
Another 50+ partnership for the duo.

Crazy how Hafeez was batting at #4 instead of Haris.

These two guys are easily Pakistan's best batsmen.

:babar :hs
 
Rayyman said:
Another 50+ partnership for the duo.

Crazy how Hafeez was batting at #4 instead of Haris.

These two guys are easily Pakistan's best batsmen.

:babar :hs
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100+ partnership at over 6 runs an over. When it comes to the middle overs in ODIs there's no better partnership in the world. Btw Haris has only hit one boundary this far.
 
I like the focus Babar has added to his game in a few months. If he can maintain these LO performances and improve in tests, I’ll put him up there with Root and Kane.
 
Sohail is a bit unfit as shown by his running, but he's been unlucky with injuries. Babar also needs to improve fitness and strength as he was "tired" after barely passing a hundred and subsequently holing out.
 
Too small a sample to make best-in-the world sort of claims. But they are certainly decent as a pair from Paksitan's standpoint. Let them atleast play 100 iinings together across formats before judging.
 
Today's innings of Haris showed that he's a brilliant player that Pakistan should not let go, but in ODI and Test only.

However, in t20, Haris can be in bench to replace Hafeez if he underperforms.
 
Both struggled to rotate the strike which is unlike these two.

Haris did find the boundary through that cover region pretty effortlessly.

Still a far better player than Umar Akmal and Shehzad.
 
Pakistan should not play both Babar Azam and Haris Sohail in T20I team

The 3rd T20 between Pakistan and Sri Lanka proves the point that Pakistan can only afford one of Babar Azam and Haris Sohail in T20 team. Both these batsmen have a weak power game and when both of them face lot of deliveries then Pakistan will surely lose. The target of 147 runs was not huge by any means but Babar Azam played 32 balls for a 80is strike rate and Haris Sohail played 50 balls for a 100is strike rate. Thats more than 13 overs of batting for a very inferior strike rate :facepalm:
 
We are the masters of overhyping. Babar deserves the praise, but Haris Sohail plays a great innings, he will than get 30s/40s, than play one great innings.
 
Hasan123 said:
We are the masters of overhyping. Babar deserves the praise, but Haris Sohail plays a great innings, he will than get 30s/40s, than play one great innings.
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Harris is finding his feet slowly. He hasn't been given enough chances. He was held back By hafeez and Malik previously
 
Rayyman said:
Exactly :babar

It's between the PAK duo and the NZ duo. But I think Haris will overtake Taylor as the best #4 in ODIs now.
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Williamson and Taylor?

Hmm I think they might be ahead. Williamson had a great world cup and is few levels ahead of Babar in tests. (Babar is young so will improve with time).

In T20's Babar is ahead, however, tests get more weight age so I will rate Williamson ahead of Babar.

Taylor is a proven performer and ranks ahead of Haris.

I think Williamson and Taylor pips the Pakistani duo, however, things can change in next few years.
 
big_gamer007 said:
Williamson and Taylor?

Hmm I think they might be ahead. Williamson had a great world cup and is few levels ahead of Babar in tests. (Babar is young so will improve with time).

In T20's Babar is ahead, however, tests get more weight age so I will rate Williamson ahead of Babar.

Taylor is a proven performer and ranks ahead of Haris.

I think Williamson and Taylor pips the Pakistani duo, however, things can change in next few years.
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The NZ duo is definitely better at the moment.

Babar only really beats Williamson in T20I.

In ODI’s they are similar, whilst Kane is better in tests.

Taylor is better than Haris.
 
The Viper said:
The NZ duo is definitely better at the moment.

Babar only really beats Williamson in T20I.

In ODI’s they are similar, whilst Kane is better in tests.

Taylor is better than Haris.
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I suppose. This thread is kinda weird, there are only 2 options available (NZ duo and Pakistani duo) with all the filters OP mentioned, god knows why this has gone on for 2 pages.
 
big_gamer007 said:
I suppose. This thread is kinda weird, there are only 2 options available (NZ duo and Pakistani duo) with all the filters OP mentioned, god knows why this has gone on for 2 pages.
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What about India's duo or Kohli - Pant? Kohli is obviously an ATG and pant has potential.
 
Haris and Babar can be a great duo for Pakistan but it depends how Haris long Haris can stay fit.
 
big_gamer007 said:
I suppose. This thread is kinda weird, there are only 2 options available (NZ duo and Pakistani duo) with all the filters OP mentioned, god knows why this has gone on for 2 pages.
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In my opinion, the #s 3 and 4 batsman should be the best in the team. Openers are there either to play out the new ball or get the team off to the best start.

There is a reason, that the best batsman in the world today all bat 3/4. The best openers in Tests are tuk tuk players while the best openers in LOIs are hacks.

Babar-Haris reminds me of Sanga-Mahela or Ponting-Clarke.
 
How do threads like these come up when one half of the duo hasn't done anything of note outside Asia? Has demonstrated no ability whatsoever against hostile short pitched bowling? He increasingly looks like a hack - and not a very good one either - if his mode of dismissals are anything to go by.

Babar Azam himself hasn't done anything of note in Australia.
 
Sohail with way he bats and his technic wont score many runs outside of Asia.

Babar will get runs but just needs to cut out the rash strokes out
 
The streak is Alive said:
How do threads like these come up when one half of the duo hasn't done anything of note outside Asia? Has demonstrated no ability whatsoever against hostile short pitched bowling? He increasingly looks like a hack - and not a very good one either - if his mode of dismissals are anything to go by.

Babar Azam himself hasn't done anything of note in Australia.
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Babar hasn't done anything of note anywhere as far as test cricket is concerned.
 
Harris Sohail and Babar Azam need to switch batting positions in Tests

Discuss.
 
Not much to discuss here. It is true. Babar needs to move up the order and Harris down. I think it is pretty clear for all to see.
 
haris needs to be dropped for imam simple..babar stays where he is as he needs to learn the art of tests
 
I think Sohail should be dropped if he does not perform in the next innings and Babar should not be moving up a position just yet.

Imam should be brought in to open next match in this scenario, with Ali coming down at 3 where he has done well at times.
 
Agree 100%.

Babar is much better suited to playing up the order where he is under less pressure and plays with the best batsmen. He is better vs pace than spin. This way he can play longer innings too.

He has always been a top order batsman.
 
Lol at Haris in a conversation like this. At least Babar has a good LO record.

Haris Sohail international career so far is produce a impactful knock than look good and get dismissed softly.

Poor thread.
 
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