Bangladesh as a sporting nation?

[Local.Dada]

Countries like Afghanistan have a lot of sporting talent and tools to be successful.Despite all the odds they have faced politically and economically,they have managed to make an impact in cricket.

I am sure there is other sporting talent out there waiting to get out.

India-Pakistan always produced star athletes in cricket and from time to time in other sports too.

Srilanka have been champions in cricket and I believe they had an athlete who won a Olympic medal as well.

Poor African and other underdeveloped nations always seem to produce brilliant athletes that get outsourced to other developing countries like track and field or soccer players.

It can’t just come down to genetics etc and it is such an outdated concept. Srilankans and some ethnic groups in India-Pak have the same built but they are producing success stories.

India doesn’t do too well in Olympics even though we have improved there but usually we crush it in common wealth and Asian games. I see even Pak etc win medals here once in a while.

However outside of cricket never heard of a single credible athletic accomplishment from Bangladesh? I thought they loved soccer. Dont seem to to do a lot there either.

One thing though, after India they seem the strongest from an economy pov ,so their sporting bodies seem better administered compared to Pak,SL, Afghan, however, they haven’t gone anywhere in nearly 30 years. Beating a big team in an off game once in a while shouldn’t be called an achievement.

Without getting into the usual genetics, race rhetoric which I think is a dumb argument, why is Bangladesh so bad in sports? Any logical theories?

 

[GillEdits]

Countries like Afghanistan have a lot of sporting talent and tools to be successful.Despite all the odds they have faced politically and economically,they have managed to make an impact in cricket.

I am sure there is other sporting talent out there waiting to get out.

India-Pakistan always produced star athletes in cricket and from time to time in other sports too.

Srilanka have been champions in cricket and I believe they had an athlete who won a Olympic medal as well.

Poor African and other underdeveloped nations always seem to produce brilliant athletes that get outsourced to other developing countries like track and field or soccer players.

It can’t just come down to genetics etc and it is such an outdated concept. Srilankans and some ethnic groups in India-Pak have the same built but they are producing success stories.

India doesn’t do too well in Olympics even though we have improved there but usually we crush it in common wealth and Asian games. I see even Pak etc win medals here once in a while.

However outside of cricket never heard of a single credible athletic accomplishment from Bangladesh? I thought they loved soccer. Dont seem to to do a lot there either.

One thing though, after India they seem the strongest from an economy pov ,so their sporting bodies seem better administered compared to Pak,SL, Afghan, however, they haven’t gone anywhere in nearly 30 years. Beating a big team in an off game once in a while shouldn’t be called an achievement.

Without getting into the usual genetics, race rhetoric which I think is a dumb argument, why is Bangladesh so bad in sports? Any logical theories?

Bangladesh couldn't be able to improve themselves.
They had their chances, but kept on playing their boring game at their slowest home pitches.

 

[Local.Dada]

Bangladesh couldn't be able to improve themselves.
They had their chances, but kept on playing their boring game at their slowest home pitches.

They don’t seem to play any other sport either.

 

[Mockingbird]

I have always wondered this - Bangladesh has money, they have a cricket crazy audience, decent infrastructure - so why have they not produced good quality players. Is it the grassroots which is the issue & if it is, why has it not been fixed?

 

[Devadwal]

I'm only who thinks that after 2019 WC Bangladesh gone in backward direction .

They had golden period from 2015 to 2019 .

 

[SportsWarrior]

Bengalis have never done well in any sport. They are unlikely to do well until they show some humility and realize where they stand and asses What they need to do to get ahead

 

[Statpadder Inc]

Genetics do matter a bit though, no idea why you want to deny. For the same reason why west Bengal has done so poorly in cricket and other sports.

You can't compare Afghans to Bangladeshis in that regard. They are taller, stronger, fitter and have a more athletic build.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I'm only who thinks that after 2019 WC Bangladesh gone in backward direction .

They had golden period from 2015 to 2019 .

They will regret no achieving more when players like Shakib, Tamim, Mashrafe, Mushfiqur Rahman were at their peak.

That's a solid base to win games but they really didn't capitalise on it.

 

[Statpadder Inc]

Indian occupied Bengal

What the hell does this mean, this is like saying Pakistani occupied Punjab

 

[Statpadder Inc]

Genetics do matter a bit though, no idea why you want to deny. For the same reason why west Bengal has done so poorly in cricket and other sports.

You can't compare Afghans to Bangladeshis in that regard. They are taller, stronger, fitter and have a more athletic build.

But the more important reason is the terrible pitches home which doesn't help them produce attacking batsmen or good fast bowlers

 

[Croma]

I’m not entirely sure, but Bangladeshi natives might provide more accurate insights. Here are some key questions to consider for sports other than cricket:

Financial Investment:

• What is the level of financial investment in sports from both the government and the private sector?
• If investment is low, what are the earnings for sportsmen?
• What incentives do athletes have to pursue sports as a career?

Sports Facilities and Infrastructure:

• Are there sufficient sports facilities and infrastructure?
• Do athletes have access to proper training grounds, equipment, and coaching facilities?

Qualified Coaches and Professionals:

• Are there enough qualified coaches and sports science professionals to train and support athletes?

Media Promotion:

• Does the media promote sports other than cricket?
• For example, in India, widespread broadcasting of sports events on television and digital platforms has increased the visibility and popularity of various sports. Media coverage has turned athletes into celebrities, inspiring younger generations to pursue sports.

Professional Leagues:

• Are there other professional sporting leagues?
• In India, the success of the IPL has revolutionized cricket, creating a model for other sports leagues. The establishment of professional leagues in sports like football (Indian Super League), kabaddi (Pro Kabaddi League), and badminton (Premier Badminton League) has significantly increased interest and participation in these sports.

India may not yet be a dominant sporting nation on the world stage, but an increasing number of parents are encouraging their children to pursue sports due to the growing earning opportunities.

 

[deltexas]

For the passionate loyal fanbase and supporters they have- the Ban team is useless and spineless. The talent is there rhough- just see BPL. But the mental aptitude and toughness to succeed is non existant. Nepal a firat timer played so much better than Ban. They need a complete revamp they should follow the post 2015 Eng template of being ultra aggressive even if they lose games and no place for seniority or inteam politics nonsense

 

[Hikaru]

The answer is simple and politically incorrect. While Indians and Chinese too arent all that with physical gifts, both countries are vast and have regions to produce world class athletes. Bangladesh seems too homogenous in that regard.

 

[Local.Dada]

What is the situation like in Indian occupied Bengal? Genetically the two populations must be similar. Is there similar lack of sporting prowess?

I don’t think genetically Bengalis are that much different from say Tamil Nadu or Andhra: these states have produced Badminton olympian champions, star hockey players. There was a lady who won Olympic medal in weight lifting and she was from Andhra. Also Bengal has produced football players etc of some repute atleast from an Asian level.

 

[Cric_lover4487]

They are talented for sure. We have same genes anyway. To give them credit they have came very close to winning asia cup in 2012,2016 at home and in Dubai,2018 too. If they had won asia cup it would have given them such a huge motivation to compete and win more. It's just they are really bad at handling pressure and they **** it up at crucial positions. They have never worked on it. It's a mental block which Indian batting also faces in knockouts. Few wickets down and we go in ultra defensive mode. This is why yesterday's innings of Rohit was very essential in getting over this mental block. Hopefully we will win this WC. If not, I don't know what else we could do.

 

[Local.Dada]

The answer is simple and politically incorrect. While Indians and Chinese too arent all that with physical gifts, both countries are vast and have regions to produce world class athletes. Bangladesh seems too homogenous in that regard.

Are Srilankans built like giants?

 

[Statpadder Inc]

Are Srilankans built like giants?

Yes, I remember reading somewhere that they are pound for pound, the strongest South asians. The best South Asian rugby team too.

Look at Jayasuriyas arms

 

[Hikaru]

Are Srilankans built like giants?

No, and if they have done relatively better, I would say it's down to more robust infrastructure and living standards than anything else. Culture plays a part too.

 

[Local.Dada]

No, and if they have done relatively better, I would say it's down to more robust infrastructure and living standards than anything else. Culture plays a part too.

I agree on that part. Sporting culture matters. I have seen some skinny looking Srilankans like Upul Chandana-Dharmasena hit mighty 6s while Pathan hunks like Ifthikar etc fail to cross the 30 meter circle. Neeraj Chopra throws a javelin farther than Nordic or African athletes. It comes down to skill, hunger and a sporting culture too.

 

[Hikaru]

Yes, I remember reading somewhere that they are pound for pound, the strongest South asians. The best South Asian rugby team too.

Look at Jayasuriyas arms

Doesn't show in their sporting history despite being far more affluent per-capita than rest of South Asia for a long long time. Actually is a good topic worthy of some research, we should have interesting results.

 

[Statpadder Inc]

Doesn't show in their sporting history despite being far more affluent per-capita than rest of South Asia for a long long time.

You are kinda correct but they 1st went through a bloody, messy civil war and then a deep economic crisis.

I still feel that they have overachieved in cricket

 

[Local.Dada]

Yes, I remember reading somewhere that they are pound for pound, the strongest South asians. The best South Asian rugby team too.

Look at Jayasuriyas arms

Fair enough. However if genetics was the only factor, Bangladesh won’t have bowlers like Taskin capable of bowling 140+ regularly: how good or skiful he is another debate. Agarkar who was skinny guy was bowling 140+ in his last season. I have seen some huge fast bowlers gasping for breath after 2 overs.genetics etc seem a very outdated argument even more so in 2024.

Srinath was not from North India, he was India’s fastest bowler in the 90s. His parents were both national level athletes so it all boils down to culture and background.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Countries like Afghanistan have a lot of sporting talent and tools to be successful.Despite all the odds they have faced politically and economically,they have managed to make an impact in cricket.

I am sure there is other sporting talent out there waiting to get out.

India-Pakistan always produced star athletes in cricket and from time to time in other sports too.

Srilanka have been champions in cricket and I believe they had an athlete who won a Olympic medal as well.

Poor African and other underdeveloped nations always seem to produce brilliant athletes that get outsourced to other developing countries like track and field or soccer players.

It can’t just come down to genetics etc and it is such an outdated concept. Srilankans and some ethnic groups in India-Pak have the same built but they are producing success stories.

India doesn’t do too well in Olympics even though we have improved there but usually we crush it in common wealth and Asian games. I see even Pak etc win medals here once in a while.

However outside of cricket never heard of a single credible athletic accomplishment from Bangladesh? I thought they loved soccer. Dont seem to to do a lot there either.

One thing though, after India they seem the strongest from an economy pov ,so their sporting bodies seem better administered compared to Pak,SL, Afghan, however, they haven’t gone anywhere in nearly 30 years. Beating a big team in an off game once in a while shouldn’t be called an achievement.

Without getting into the usual genetics, race rhetoric which I think is a dumb argument, why is Bangladesh so bad in sports? Any logical theories?

Its about the culture. Bengal doesnt have a sporting culture and manual labour and tasks are not respected. This is just my anecdotal take here, could be wrong. Bangladesh and West Bengal state in India is one of the most underperforming in literally the worst sports region of the world despite the huge human resource available here. Bengal takes a snobbish amount of pride in being supposedly intellectually superior to its immediate neighbors.

Here is the total stat of medal table in SAFF games. Bangladesh is literally the worst (Bhutan and Maldives are too tiny to even count and Afghanistan hardly participated) the major nations of South Asia.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I don’t think genetically Bengalis are that much different from say Tamil Nadu or Andhra: these states have produced Badminton olympian champions, star hockey players. There was a lady who won Olympic medal in weight lifting and she was from Andhra. Also Bengal has produced football players etc of some repute atleast from an Asian level.

Seems unique to Bangladesh then.

I actually think Pakistan is going down a similar trajectory. Perhaps if we can pin down why Bangladesh suffers from this malaise it will help Pakistan arrest the decline.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Seems unique to Bangladesh then.

I actually think Pakistan is going down a similar trajectory. Perhaps if we can pin down why Bangladesh suffers from this malaise it will help Pakistan arrest the decline.

Pakistan's decline is very dissimilar to non-existent achievement of Bengali speaking region of South Asia in sports.
Pakistan actually had achievements in the past and culturally still there is value for manual handiwork, Bengal never existed in sports despite being major hub of sports facilities during British Raj.

 

[Hikaru]

I agree on that part. Sporting culture matters. I have seen some skinny looking Srilankans like Upul Chandana-Dharmasena hit mighty 6s while Pathan hunks like Ifthikar etc fail to cross the 30 meter circle. Neeraj Chopra throws a javelin farther than Nordic or African athletes. It comes down to skill, hunger and a sporting culture too.

Very true. But then we should never see physical dimension as a measure genetic potential.

While Afgans indeed are bigger and stronger than most South Asians, it could actually be tiny Nepalese stealing powerlifting records from rest of South Asia in the future.

I personally am yet to figure out what Bangladeshis might be good at. There have been no signs yet..not even remotely.

 

[AAli98]

They had 1 chance to do something decent in there pathetic cricketing history yesterday & failed miserably.

Truly the worst nation ever icc were better of investing in Argentinian cricket.

 

[Statpadder Inc]

Fair enough. However if genetics was the only factor, Bangladesh won’t have bowlers like Taskin capable of bowling 140+ regularly: how good or skiful he is another debate. Agarkar who was skinny guy was bowling 140+ in his last season. I have seen some huge fast bowlers gasping for breath after 2 overs.genetics etc seem a very outdated argument even more so in 2024.

Srinath was not from North India, he was India’s fastest bowler in the 90s. His parents were both national level athletes so it all boils down to culture and background.

The best fast bowlers in the subcontinent have been Punjabis.

South Indians have given us Srinath, Prasad and Balaji.

Although by Southie standards, Srinath was Michael Holding

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Bangladesh are a decent team but they lack the Killer instinct

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

They had 1 chance to do something decent in there pathetic cricketing history yesterday & failed miserably.

Truly the worst nation ever icc were better of investing in Argentinian cricket.

Bangladesh has benefitted greatly from India Pakistan discord. Getting to host so many tournaments because of the tussle.

 

[NishanKonar]

Genetics is not really the reason

Lots of Bengalis from West Bengal won golds at Asian Games level. Its mostly a Bangladesh thing. I guess lack of sports infrastructure or lack of motivation

Brojen Das from then East Pakistan was first Asian to swim across the English Channel

Also 1st Mr Universe from India were from Bengal ( India ) - Monohar Aich & Monotosh Roy ! Also there was Gobar Guha - one of the most celebrated wrestlers of his era

SO don't think anything wrong with genetics !

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Bangladesh at the moment feels a bit like Pakistan, no real sense of pride in their flag due to lack of representative govt. A nation where the people don't feel like the govt represents them will be a nation divided. Might be the reason for half hearted performances.

 

[Local.Dada]

The best fast bowlers in the subcontinent have been Punjabis.

South Indians have given us Srinath, Prasad and Balaji.

Although by Southie standards, Srinath was Michael Holding

You are right, I am almost blinded by the ball speed every time Arshdeep releases the ball.

Having said that that’s not the topic of the thread. So any sterotype that pops in one of your holes can be saved for another thread. Ok?

Thats why I specifically said keep racial tropes out of this thread.

 

[NishanKonar]

The problem with Bangladesh cricket is the same as Indian football. India launched a lucrative football league where top players get fat salaries even though the level of football is poor. But bcoz the pay is good there is no motivation to improve themselves. Bcoz the clubs have loyal fanbases who will tolerate mediocre performances. Also the best players dont bother to seek opportunities in European clubs bcoz they are getting paid handsomely for their mediocre domestic clubs

Same with Bangladesh. Their top cricketers get paid very well in BPL despite their abysmal performances. So no real motivation to improve. Unlike say Afghanistan players whose only way to get decent living out of cricket is to be skilled enough to play foreign leagues like IPL & BBL

While BPL will absorb all the mediocre Bangladeshi players , which means the players don't really care about being good enough for IPL or BBL

But Afghan players have no such luxuries. Their only way out is to be good enough for foreign leagues where the competition is intense. This forces them to raise their levels

 

[Statpadder Inc]

You are right, I am almost blinded by the ball speed every time Arshdeep releases the ball.

Having said that that’s not the topic of the thread. So any sterotype that pops in one of your holes can be saved for another thread. Ok?

Thats why I specifically said keep racial tropes out of this thread.

Saar please.

Wasim, Waqar, Shoaib, Imran, Dev, Amir and Bumrah are all punjabis.

Shreeshant and Vinay Kumar, 2 further greats of the South Indian fast bowling factory

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

The problem with Bangladesh cricket is the same as Indian football. India launched a lucrative football league where top players get fat salaries even though the level of football is poor. But bcoz the pay is good there is no motivation to improve themselves. Bcoz the clubs have loyal fanbases who will tolerate mediocre performances. Also the best players dont bother to seek opportunities in European clubs bcoz they are getting paid handsomely for their mediocre domestic clubs

Same with Bangladesh. Their top cricketers get paid very well in BPL despite their abysmal performances. So no real motivation to improve. Unlike say Afghanistan players whose only way to get decent living out of cricket is to be skilled enough to play foreign leagues like IPL & BBL

While BPL will absorb all the mediocre Bangladeshi players , which means the players don't really care about being good enough for IPL or BBL

But Afghan players have no such luxuries. Their only way out is to be good enough for foreign leagues where the competition is intense. This forces them to raise their levels

Are they making premier league level salaries?? This statement doesn't even make sense. By that logic , Americans and Europeans should not even bother making an effort because even average athletes make several times what people in Third world make. Poorer countries should be excelling in sports.

Indian players cant enter English league because we are below Rank 75 in FIFA rankings. There is plenty of inventive to improve and actually earn big. AIFF is literally the most corrupt body that is stuck with politicians in decision making positions.

 

[NishanKonar]

Are they making premier league level salaries?? This statement doesn't even make sense. By that logic , Americans and Europeans should not even bother making an effort because even average athletes make several times what people in Third world make. Poorer countries should be excelling in sports.

Indian players cant enter English league because we are below Rank 75 in FIFA rankings. There is plenty of inventive to improve and actually earn big. AIFF is literally the most corrupt body that is stuck with politicians in decision making positions.

If a mediocre footballer gets INR 1 crore salary, why wud he bother to improve himself & try getting into a 2nd division club in England or France. A big reason why African footballers migrate to Europe in droves is bcoz their domestic clubs pay peanuts.

But Indian footballers get paid decent salaries. So they keep strutting their mediocre stuff . Only way Indian football will improve is if our players try playing for European leagues ( 2nd or 3rd division ). That will help improve quality of football, That's how Korea , Japan , Iran improved themselves. At one point whole Iran team was playing for 2nd division German clubs

 

[ExpressPacer]

The problem with Bangladesh cricket is the same as Indian football. India launched a lucrative football league where top players get fat salaries even though the level of football is poor. But bcoz the pay is good there is no motivation to improve themselves. Bcoz the clubs have loyal fanbases who will tolerate mediocre performances. Also the best players dont bother to seek opportunities in European clubs bcoz they are getting paid handsomely for their mediocre domestic clubs

Same with Bangladesh. Their top cricketers get paid very well in BPL despite their abysmal performances. So no real motivation to improve. Unlike say Afghanistan players whose only way to get decent living out of cricket is to be skilled enough to play foreign leagues like IPL & BBL

While BPL will absorb all the mediocre Bangladeshi players , which means the players don't really care about being good enough for IPL or BBL

But Afghan players have no such luxuries. Their only way out is to be good enough for foreign leagues where the competition is intense. This forces them to raise their levels

Brilliant analysis.

To do well, for Afghan players, is literally a matter of survival.

There is no middle-class or middle ground. You are either incredibly impoverished or you are super wealthy by playing in overseas leagues. So, they can’t bank on a middle-class lifestyle if they don’t succeed.

 

[rhony]

It's the attitude. Right from the pitches at home to trying to protect the status quo. There is a lot of fear of failure. One tends to be aggressive when there is a thirst to win. However, one tends to play safe when there is a fear of failure. Causes are low confidence, victimhood mentality, lots at stake due to limited resources and corruption. In one sentence, Bangladesh is what India was 30 years ago. India, Pak, SL also have these qualities but not to the extent of Bangladeshis.

 

[NishanKonar]

Brilliant analysis.

To do well, for Afghan players, is literally a matter of survival.

There is no middle-class or middle ground. You are either incredibly impoverished or you are super wealthy by playing in overseas leagues. So, they can’t bank on a middle-class lifestyle if they don’t succeed.

Same reason Senegal, Ivory Coast, Nigeria , Ghana , Mali, Cameroon developed so many world class footballers

Bcoz for them football is ticket to Europe & a life of comfort - far away from the poverty & hardships of Africa. If you are good enough , you will be spotted by European agents & sent to some club in Europe & your life is set !

 

[Cover Drive Six]

It's not about skill, genetics, facilities, economy, or physique. It's about attitude, discipline, professionalism, and the killer instinct to win games, which Bangladeshi players lack.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Same reason Senegal, Ivory Coast, Nigeria , Ghana , Mali, Cameroon developed so many world class footballers

Bcoz for them football is ticket to Europe & a life of comfort - far away from the poverty & hardships of Africa. If you are good enough , you will be spotted by European agents & sent to some club in Europe & your life is set !

Does that mean it is impossible to live a life of comfort in Asia? I would find it hard myself as I am not a native of Asia, but if they are well paid, why can't they live a life of luxury at home?

 

[Local.Dada]

Saar please.

Wasim, Waqar, Shoaib, Imran, Dev, Amir and Bumrah are all punjabis.

Shreeshant and Vinay Kumar, 2 further greats of the South Indian fast bowling factory

Ok saar. Even though what you say doesn’t really affect me, we humbly surrender to your superior gentics. You probably replaced 2-3 keyboards in typing so aggressively.

Now back to the topic or go play outside, it’s summer holidays I think if this is out of your depth to make any reasonable contribution to this topic

 

[NishanKonar]

Does that mean it is impossible to live a life of comfort in Asia? I would find it hard myself as I am not a native of Asia, but if they are well paid, why can't they live a life of luxury at home?

Europe is historically best place to be a footballer. But of course in recent times many Asian leagues are paying well like - Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Korea, Japan, China. So many African footballers are moving to these nations. If u get paid well - you can live life of luxury anywhere

My point was bcoz there was fierce motivation to move to Europe in the 90s & 2000s - African footballers had to compete hard & improve their standards. That helped African football to grow faster.

 

[JaDed]

Bengalis have never done well in any sport. They are unlikely to do well until they show some humility and realize where they stand and asses What they need to do to get ahead

They are Bangladeshis, in all honesty if you meet them outside cricket they are humble people.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Brilliant analysis.

To do well, for Afghan players, is literally a matter of survival.

There is no middle-class or middle ground. You are either incredibly impoverished or you are super wealthy by playing in overseas leagues. So, they can’t bank on a middle-class lifestyle if they don’t succeed.

This argument suffers seriously from survivorship bias,
100s of poor deprived countries where any sports achievement can be a matter of survival. By that logic war torn countries should have rising sports stars world over. Palesstine, Syria, Yemen, Myanmar. North Korea literally sent its team to labour camp for failing at Football world cup, there can be no better incentive to perform.

 

[Statpadder Inc]

Ok saar. Even though what you say doesn’t really affect me, we humbly surrender to your superior gentics. You probably replaced 2-3 keyboards in typing so aggressively.

Now back to the topic or go play outside, it’s summer holidays I think if this is out of your depth to make any reasonable contribution to this topic

I am not one who's being aggressive and sensitive and launching personal attacks on the other poster just because facts triggered me.

I say relax and have some idli with sambar.

And don't South Indians on the internet act like a superior race because they are so yeducated

 

[NishanKonar]

This argument suffers seriously from survivorship bias,
100s of poor deprived countries where any sports achievement can be a matter of survival. By that logic war torn countries should have rising sports stars world over. Palesstine, Syria, Yemen, Myanmar. North Korea literally sent its team to labour camp for failing at Football world cup, there can be no better incentive to perform.

Those are failed nations. There is total anarchy & civil war like situation. You cannot expect anything from such nations

My theory works for nations with some modicum of normalcy. Like Ghana, Nigeria, Kenya, Cameroon. Wont work for countries like Somalia , Sudan, Congo , Yemen. To become a sportsman u need some basic facilities & infra

Ivory Coast had decades long civil war. The war ended in 2005 and since then the country has excelled in football

 

[JaDed]

It's not about skill, genetics, facilities, economy, or physique. It's about attitude, discipline, professionalism, and the killer instinct to win games, which Bangladeshi players lack.

Pretty much this, Lanka won numerous tournaments with discipline.

BD has x factor players like Lanka to win but they are too cocky and content winning games against Lanka.

If they had showed some fight against India, they wouldnt has to deal with NRR like that and may have approached the target easily

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Those are failed nations. There is total anarchy & civil war like situation. You cannot expect anything from such nations

My theory works for nations with some modicum of normalcy. Like Ghana, Nigeria, Kenya, Cameroon. Wont work for countries like Somalia , Sudan, Congo , Yemen. To become a sportsman u need some basic facilities & infra

Ivory Coast had decades long civil war. The war ended in 2005 and since then the country has excelled in football

Sorry, but literally the argument that its a matter of survival has little legs.
There is matter of survival in poor families of India,Pakistan to even Western Europe, by your logic we should have poor people rising like crazy in sports. Thats not the case.

As I pointed out, its a fallacy Survivorship bias nothing more. You are just picking up examples which can support your hypothesis while totally ignoring the large number of counter examples.

 

[jnaveen1980]

They looked like getting better when they beat NZ in NZ. Their fast bowling has improved. For the moment they should set small goals series wins , overseas test wins and try to achieve. Once the winning culture is acquired they can focus on ICC events.

 

[NishanKonar]

Sorry, but literally the argument that its a matter of survival has little legs.
There is matter of survival in poor families of India,Pakistan to even Western Europe, by your logic we should have poor people rising like crazy in sports. Thats not the case.

As I pointed out, its a fallacy Survivorship bias nothing more. You are just picking up examples which can support your hypothesis while totally ignoring the large number of counter examples.

For Indians the passport to the West is education & IT. For Africans its football or athletics ( East Africa )

 

[JaDed]

I think they will do well in CT 2025, they are a good ODI team and are improving, their mental midget attitude though can only improve once the victorious U-19 players atleast a few of em come up.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

For Indians the passport to the West is education & IT. For Africans its football or athletics ( East Africa )

You are clutching at straws bhai. Just have a look.

 

[Champ_Pal]

BD needs to give a serious look at their talent scouting.
They have same population as Pakistan, but can’t seem to produce star cricketers. Could be corruption and nepotism.

BD fans could explain this. They were able to produce Mushfiq, Shakib and Fizz. Mehedi and Liton are also good. But outside of them, the rest are not worth mentioning.

 

[NishanKonar]

You are clutching at straws bhai. Just have a look.

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Bro I am data analytics guy by profession. You don't need to explain me survivorship bias. These stuff were part of my college curriculum. And I studied such stuff in lot more details. Not from wiki

Anyways lets agree to disagree

 

[NishanKonar]

BD needs to give a serious look at their talent scouting.
They have same population as Pakistan, but can’t seem to produce star cricketers. Could be corruption and nepotism.

BD fans could explain this. They were able to produce Mushfiq, Shakib and Fizz. Mehedi and Liton are also good. But outside of them, the rest are not worth mentioning.

Need to change their dodgy pitches tactic. They need to prepare better pitches

Just like New Zealand did in the mid 90s. Changed their " slow seaming pitch " startegy & focussed on enveloping skilled players

 

[Local.Dada]

I am not one who's being aggressive and sensitive and launching personal attacks on the other poster just because facts triggered me.

I say relax and have some idli with sambar.

And don't South Indians on the internet act like a superior race because they are so yeducated

I am only humoring you because I knew this thread was going to go in a direction about making racist tropes against Bangladeshis instead of discussing why they have not been able to move ahead in sports.

Sure I love Idly and Sambar: great breakfast.

I usually see such my race better than yours argument from lappus who have not even been in a school yard fight in their lives lol.

Also don’t “South Indians act” : so can I also generalize that everyone related to you is also a half-wit?

I am from Maharashtra by the way if you really want to know.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Bro I am data analytics guy by profession. You don't need to explain me survivorship bias. These stuff were part of my college curriculum. And I studied such stuff in lot more details. Not from wiki

Anyways lets agree to disagree

Then I can safely say, You are just hard pressed to prove your hypothesis, and applying any sample that can dispute your assumption. It is a very wrong approach in data analytics which are taught against in Data science 101. Very basic blunder.
I think hitting the books back wont be a bad idea.

 

[NishanKonar]

Then I can safely say, You are just hard pressed to prove your hypothesis, and applying any sample that can dispute your assumption. It is a very wrong approach in data analytics which are taught against in Data science 101. Very basic blunder.
I think hitting the books back wont be a bad idea.

Why do u have to make things so personal?

I just expressed my views. If u don't agree just ignore & move on. Why this angst to keep arguing?

You look like those jobless online trolls who have nothing else do but pick up fights with everyone!

Chill kar bhai

 

[Savak]

Bangladesh Roflmao

 

[BaaliSoda]

I don't think what're they doing for last 53 years. I guess, they're mostly focused on hating Pakistan for the past events xD

Hating Pakistan was so yesterday, it’s hating India is what most of them do both at political (except ruling elites) and societal level.

 

[Local.Dada]

It's not about skill, genetics, facilities, economy, or physique. It's about attitude, discipline, professionalism, and the killer instinct to win games, which Bangladeshi players lack.

This kind of makes sense. Aussies have that killer instinct culture over Asian teams. They play that style in any sport. Total domination and physical. Among Asian teams Bangladesh do seem to lack that. Surprising as don’t think they even compete in any other sport. You don’t need physical genetics to be good at chess or snooker or archery/ shooting. They are skill based. Right? Never seen any Bangladesh sportsman from this area either.

It can’t be Bengal doesn’t have a sporting culture, Bengalis are extremely sports crazy and as someone above mentioned West Bengal has thrown up some iconic sportsmen.

 

[RidiculousMan]

I see the same Bangladesh as I saw 15 years back

 

[GillEdits]

I see the same Bangladesh as I saw 15 years back

Yeah, they never improved their game, their playing style.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Here Nasser Hussain is talking exactly about this subject

 

[Nikhil_cric]

The best fast bowlers in the subcontinent have been Punjabis.

South Indians have given us Srinath, Prasad and Balaji.

Although by Southie standards, Srinath was Michael Holding

Pakistani Punjabis.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

I see the same Bangladesh as I saw 15 years back

actually they really dont to want to learn so expect the same even after 50 years later

 

[BaaliSoda]

I see the same Bangladesh as I saw 15 years back

Honestly, between 2015 and 2018, they briefly appeared to be turning things around, but it was just a fleeting illusion.

Given the talent supply from their effective U19 system (despite some of the players being overly aggressive, in-your-face, and exuding fake machismo), they should be winning more matches or at least being more competitive than their results suggest.

 

[Dhakar Pola]

We are not a sporting nation. It's very clear now.

I some time wonder if we Bengalies are genetically not athletic. If you look in cricket history even west Bengal gave only one world class cricketer to India.

We have very intellectual people though. Two Bengals had many famous writers/poets

 

[giri26]

Bangladesh has been really poor. Technically they should be doing what Afghanistan are doing right now. Afghanistan's rise has been so astonishing even though they get very limited exposure as a team at the international level. Bangladesh though have giant size egos but nothing on the field. Their fans should be extremely disappointed to be frank. It is not that they don't produce good cricketers. They have a decent bowling attack but their batting is so poor.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Bangladesh was beating teams at home and it looked like the wheels were turning for them and they might rise as a sporting nation but after yesterday's performance, all of that is gone.

They are still the same team as they were a few years ago. No fight, no determination. Focusing more on inner fights rather than the game.

 

[Statpadder Inc]

We are not a sporting nation. It's very clear now.

I some time wonder if we Bengalies are genetically not athletic. If you look in cricket history even west Bengal gave only one world class cricketer to India.

We have very intellectual people though. Two Bengals had many famous writers/poets

Ganguly and Shakib are the only 2 world class players to come out of Bengal

 

[cricketcricket79]

Sports is not really a priority in these parts.
There are other ‘easier’ ways to make comfortable living. Plus whenever there is a player of potential, the gutter politics ensures that the talent doesn’t thrive and favorites are given chance after chance.

 

[Varun]

Bangladesh aren't made for sport. Have been saying it all along.

 

[Technics 1210]

Copy and pasted from FB.

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Let's expose Bangladesh cricket team

1. They got the test status in Nov, 2000 and since then won only 19 tests (not even 1 test win in a year).

2. They hold the record of most consecutive losses in Odis and tests (23 and 21 respectively).

3. Yet to win a test match vs Pakistan, India and South Africa.

4. No Asia Cups till now.

5. Played 435 Odi matches and lost 61% of them.

6. Played 159 T20IS and lost 60% of them.

7. Played 140 tests and lost 75% of them. The consistency

8. Till now they haven't found a world class player except Shakib Al Hasan who is the biggest minnow basher.

9. Not a single victory in T20 WCs against test playing nation except WI SL in 2007 2024.

10. Lost to a team like Netherlands(who were beaten by Nepal ) in the 2023 World Cup.

Cry more

11. 36 Odis wins against SENA+ India.

12. First team to lose 100 t20i matches.

13. First test playing nation to lose a t20i series against USA.

14. Team like Afghanistan developed their game within a few years of their debut but these jokers are rising since their debut.

15. Playing cricket since 1999 beating sri lanka in nidahas Trophy semi final is their biggest achievement.

16. No of Bangladeshi troll pages > no of Cricket matches Bangladesh won.

17. Their fans troll other cricket teams like as if they are world champions. But they are not even close to teams like Nepal, Nederland, USA, UAE etc.

 

[BDfanforever]

General Sporting: Genetics is important for sports, but it definitely isnt everything. Homogeneous country like someone said. A lot of development is Dhaka centric from Education, Sports, Economy. Soccer is technically their primary sport, and used to be decent back in the days, but due to corruption and other factors it died down.

Cricket: Fluke advancing to T20 WC Semifinal wouldnt really have meant much in the grand scheme of things. Poor and childish attitude of players ranging from premature celebrations to off field theatrics. If one area improve the other main area decline. ALL the key players goes off form during main event. I am yet to see a Bangladesh Cricket with all of its boxes ticked. They need more players like Ebadot Hossain who single handedly won a test in NZ which is probably only memorable thing for BD Cricket as of yet.

 

[BaaliSoda]

16. No of Bangladeshi troll pages > no of Cricket matches Bangladesh won.

17. Their fans troll other cricket teams like as if they are world champions. But they are not even close to teams like Nepal, Nederland, USA, UAE etc.

These two points are so true. This is what makes their team a massive turn-off for most if not all cricket fans.

 

[JaDed]

General Sporting: Genetics is important for sports, but it definitely isnt everything. Homogeneous country like someone said. A lot of development is Dhaka centric from Education, Sports, Economy. Soccer is technically their primary sport, and used to be decent back in the days, but due to corruption and other factors it died down.

Cricket: Fluke advancing to T20 WC Semifinal wouldnt really have meant much in the grand scheme of things. Poor and childish attitude of players ranging from premature celebrations to off field theatrics. If one area improve the other main area decline. ALL the key players goes off form during main event. I am yet to see a Bangladesh Cricket with all of its boxes ticked. They need more players like Ebadot Hossain who single handedly won a test in NZ which is probably only memorable thing for BD Cricket as of yet.

You think Afghans beating BD Aus and NZ fluke advanced to semis?

 

[jnaveen1980]

General Sporting: Genetics is important for sports, but it definitely isnt everything. Homogeneous country like someone said. A lot of development is Dhaka centric from Education, Sports, Economy. Soccer is technically their primary sport, and used to be decent back in the days, but due to corruption and other factors it died down.

Cricket: Fluke advancing to T20 WC Semifinal wouldnt really have meant much in the grand scheme of things. Poor and childish attitude of players ranging from premature celebrations to off field theatrics. If one area improve the other main area decline. ALL the key players goes off form during main event. I am yet to see a Bangladesh Cricket with all of its boxes ticked. They need more players like Ebadot Hossain who single handedly won a test in NZ which is probably only memorable thing for BD Cricket as of yet.

Mohammad Ashraful winning against full strength Australia was an iconic knock for so long in BD history. He didn't fully evolve like Aravinda De silva did for Srilanka. Among the guys Shakib was the only one who showed consistent growth. Srilanka produced more heroes within their ranks. Mahela, Sangakkara, Jayasuriya.