Bangladesh v England | 1st Test | Chittagong | Oct 20-24, 2016 | Day 2

[MMHS]

CTG type wicket?

What is CTG?

Chittagong - it's a perfect Test wicket for a spin based attack, but not a rank turner. A Test between IND-PAK will go to 15th session here.

 

[Executioner]

CTG type wicket?

What is CTG?

Chittagong, pretty sure no one outside BD would know this

I am so happy to see Bangladesh becoming a force in world cricket.

So what if its at home?

You gotta start somewhere.

Yes it was really heartening to see us perform well. We also made SA sweat in a test match until rain intervened and the match was washed out.

We are performing well because we have a core group of our players - Tamim, Shakib, Mushy, Riad, all international quality players, and plenty of exciting young cricketers like Taskin, Fizz, Miraz, Mosaddek, and Sabbir and Soumya for LOIs.

Unfortunately, we have played too few test matches, only about 50 test matches in the last 11 years. As opposed to 50 in the first 6 years.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Right handers, you mean Guptil?

Ross had a poor series & probably was run out once, while Will missed the Eden Test. He is taking 7+ wickets/Test in India, so left-right won't matter much, but no spinner likes to bowl 2 different line in an innings. We also made the mistake of not playing Mosaddek instead of Momin - it made 1, 2, 3 a target for Moeen.

By right handers, I mean Guptil, Williamson, Taylor. Ronchi played him well but by the third test, he even started falling prey. That's 4 proper batsmen. Each of them dismissed multiple times.

Williamson - 4 out of 4 times
Taylor - 3 out of 6 times (1 plumb lbw not given and he was run out then)
Guptil - 2 out of 6 times (he got out to pacers earlier otherwise)
Ronchi - 2 out of 6 times

Latham, Santner and Neesham all put way better fights than the righties barring Ronchi in first test and remember, there was a catch dropped of Ronchi's by Ashwin's bowling in first test after which he went on to score big. Only thing is that Ash somehow gets the lefties out whether he is comfortable against them or not.

Same thing happened in WI. Darren Bravo and even Bishoo (for a short while) looked better against Ashwin than righties. Of course, barring that one innings where righties Roston and Dowrich did great.

 

[street cricketer]

I just hope England don't fly in Monty as a surprise package to India.

 

[Robert]

Anyone know if the BD lower order is any good? If England can get them out for parity I think they can go on to win this.

 

[Executioner]

Anyone know if the BD lower order is any good? If England can get them out for parity I think they can go on to win this.

I still reckon we have the batting to score around 100-120 runs.

 

[MMHS]

Anyone know if the BD lower order is any good? If England can get them out for parity I think they can go on to win this.

Lower order is good, very good, but there are 3 debutantes. I think, it all depends on how Sakib plays with the last 5 wickets. Had it been 4, down, I would have said at least a 100 run lead was possible as Mushi is the best spin player of the team, but not sure now. Sabbir is a bit dasher, if he clicks, might score a quickfire 50/60, but can be out in 2 overs as well.

Still, I think, this Test will be decided on 2nd innings - 35 runs either side doesn't matter much. Jhony's drop & not reviewing Moeen's 1st call cost us at least 100, which probably is going to cost us the Test. I don't think 200+ is possible on 4th innings for us. Could have taken a ~150 lead without those 2 mistakes, but to their credit ENG played well enough to cash on, so not complains.

 

[Executioner]

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I feel that Bangladesh should be able to chase around 250. We will have around 4 innings to bat atleast

The issue with England is that their spinners are bowling horrible lines. Short bowl and full tosses made it really easy for us to bat. Gareth batty really hasn't been able to take full toll of the wicket.

So I am confident that we can win this if we play well.

 

[MMHS]

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I feel that Bangladesh should be able to chase around 250. We will have around 4 innings to bat atleast

The issue with England is that their spinners are bowling horrible lines. Short bowl and full tosses made it really easy for us to bat. Gareth batty really hasn't been able to take full toll of the wicket.

So I am confident that we can win this if we play well.

We can definitely win, in fact slightly ahead now - but, best way to do that is to make 1st innings count. It's possible to reach 400 from here, provided that Sakib gets a hundred.

May be, we can chase 250, but I am not sure without score board pressure, ENG again will falter for below 300. Miraj was a bit unknown quantity in 1st innings, but they'll work out something against him next innings & I am sure, their spinners will bowl at a better length in 4th innings. Also, ENG put almost 300 from 21/3 or 106/5 - that's almost 200 from bottom half, therefore we should consider that, they'll match their 1st innings, at least. If they don't, that's bonus, but ideally, 1st innings 400 is the match winner for us, which was quite possible with Mushi intact. Still, possible, but someone has to play a blinder.

Still, it's great to see that we have our nose in front after 2nd day, despite losing the toss.

 

[Executioner]

We can definitely win, in fact slightly ahead now - but, best way to do that is to make 1st innings count. It's possible to reach 400 from here, provided that Sakib gets a hundred.

May be, we can chase 250, but I am not sure without score board pressure, ENG again will falter for below 300. Miraj was a bit unknown quantity in 1st innings, but they'll work out something against him next innings & I am sure, their spinners will bowl at a better length in 4th innings. Also, ENG put almost 300 from 21/3 or 106/5 - that's almost 200 from bottom half, therefore we should consider that, they'll match their 1st innings, at least. If they don't, that's bonus, but ideally, 1st innings 400 is the match winner for us, which was quite possible with Mushi intact. Still, possible, but someone has to play a blinder.

Still, it's great to see that we have our nose in front after 2nd day, despite losing the toss.

Yes that is the best part, we were the better of the two sides on both days, by small margin but still something that doesn't happen often. We also looked good against SA in that 1st test. I feel that we can start winning matches in home turf against non-asian teams.

Great thing they got rid of the farce that is the flat pitches with no results. We would play poor cricket and still go on to draw the match and learn next to nothing. Even if we lose this match, (I say 45% chance of that happening) we can learn how to deal with a similar situation.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

We can definitely win, in fact slightly ahead now - but, best way to do that is to make 1st innings count. It's possible to reach 400 from here, provided that Sakib gets a hundred.

May be, we can chase 250, but I am not sure without score board pressure, ENG again will falter for below 300. Miraj was a bit unknown quantity in 1st innings, but they'll work out something against him next innings & I am sure, their spinners will bowl at a better length in 4th innings. Also, ENG put almost 300 from 21/3 or 106/5 - that's almost 200 from bottom half, therefore we should consider that, they'll match their 1st innings, at least. If they don't, that's bonus, but ideally, 1st innings 400 is the match winner for us, which was quite possible with Mushi intact. Still, possible, but someone has to play a blinder.

Still, it's great to see that we have our nose in front after 2nd day, despite losing the toss.

Bangladesh ahead by a bit....but are you sure it can chase 250 in 4th innings?

And I don't think England can make 300 in 3rd innings either.

200 target on this pitch will be a tough tough ask.

 

[MMHS]

Bangladesh ahead by a bit....but are you sure it can chase 250 in 4th innings?

And I don't think England can make 300 in 3rd innings either.

200 target on this pitch will be a tough tough ask.

That's my good guy [MENTION=130260]Executioner[/MENTION]'s expectation - my hunch is tilted towards 200, which you can see in earlier posts. However, I am a bit disappointed with ENG spin bowling - still can't figure out, how Moeen had a 20 wicket Series against ENG on good batting tracks.

The 1st session of Day 3 is the most critical of the Test. As they say, you don't win a Test in a session, but can lose it. So far, I don't think out 6, ENG has won a single session - may be the 1st one of Day 2; but in that regard, we have won 3 out of other 5 - all can be lost, if ENG bats before lunch tomorrow. Ideally, I would love to see us 302/6 at lunch with the only wicket being Shafiul

It has been 2 days of 3 hours sleep, so, not sure if I'll be able to hold on tonight to watch the boys (& I 'll watch EPL on Saturday morning ) - may be 4th innings, they'll make that up.

 

[Slog]

England lost all ten wickets to spinners?

 

[Executioner]

That's my good guy [MENTION=130260]Executioner[/MENTION]'s expectation - my hunch is tilted towards 200, which you can see in earlier posts. However, I am a bit disappointed with ENG spin bowling - still can't figure out, how Moeen had a 20 wicket Series against ENG on good batting tracks.

The 1st session of Day 3 is the most critical of the Test. As they say, you don't win a Test in a session, but can lose it. So far, I don't think out 6, ENG has won a single session - may be the 1st one of Day 2; but in that regard, we have won 3 out of other 5 - all can be lost, if ENG bats before lunch tomorrow. Ideally, I would love to see us 302/6 at lunch with the only wicket being Shafiul

It has been 2 days of 3 hours sleep, so, not sure if I'll be able to hold on tonight to watch the boys (& I 'll watch EPL on Saturday morning ) - may be 4th innings, they'll make that up.

Normally, a better bowling side could defend anything around 200 on this wicket in the 4th innings. I watched 160-170 overs of the match and what I observed is that Bangladeshi spin bowling was far more disciplined than that of English spinners.

The problem with the English spinners is that they are not bowling a consistent line or length. They were bowling either too short or bowling full, some even bowling full tosses. Now in such wickets, a half tracker or full toss can play in the hand of the opposition. And in a trial by spin this is hurting their chances, which is why I felt we could chase 250ish, not highly like though.

 

[MMHS]

Normally, a better bowling side could defend anything around 200 on this wicket in the 4th innings. I watched 160-170 overs of the match and what I observed is that Bangladeshi spin bowling was far more disciplined than that of English spinners.

The problem with the English spinners is that they are not bowling a consistent line or length. They were bowling either too short or bowling full, some even bowling full tosses. Now in such wickets, a half tracker or full toss can play in the hand of the opposition. And in a trial by spin this is hurting their chances, which is why I felt we could chase 250ish, not highly like though.

4th innings target chase doesn't happen that way bro - take any pick, over 200 chase. 90% cases you'll see an aggressive approach & blasting out the target. Whatever we chase, it has to be at a rate of 4+, 200ish target gives the chance to close the game before reverse swing comes to play & our "small breather" batsmen togo after. Set a target of 450, BD can bat out 100+ overs for 275 & lose the match in 15th session - set a target of 250, you'll see different ball game - BECAUSE a couple of boundaries by Imrul, Sakib, Shabbir or Mushi won't hurt Poms that much, that they'll try to restrict scoring - they can buy out couple with 250 at bank, then can tighten he screw. We don't have the experience to close 250 sort of chase - everything has a 1st time, & I would love to see that 1st time here in CTG; but if you ask me, I would more like a timid win by 4 wickets chasing 170 ......

We have to reach somewhere either side of 400 to win this Test - that's far easier from a position of 221/5, than to chase 250 on Day 5.

 

[Executioner]

Doubt we can score 179 more runs with the remaining batsman we have. Mushy and Tamim are our best players of spin, they are out.

I think we can get a 50-100 run lead and England will amass around 250ish atleast. We would be asked to chase something around 150-270

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

Doubt we can score 179 more runs with the remaining batsman we have. Mushy and Tamim are our best players of spin, they are out.

I think we can get a 50-100 run lead and England will amass around 250ish atleast. We would be asked to chase something around 150-270

We have a habit of collapsing so I think England will take the lead unless Sabbir plays a blinder like Ashraful.
I think we need Ash back at 1.

 

[Executioner]

We have a habit of collapsing so I think England will take the lead unless Sabbir plays a blinder like Ashraful.
I think we need Ash back at 1.

no we don't need Ash, we need you to bat instead of Tamim. That way no team can beat us

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

no we don't need Ash, we need you to bat instead of Tamim. That way no team can beat us

True that I would have scored 200 out of 179 ball