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Bangladesh versus India : The new intense rivalry?

Bangladesh are rivals of India in cricket ? That is like saying that Bangladesh are rivals of Germany in football.:sarfraz
 
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I wish Pkaistani fans of today were half as hostile as Bangladeshi fans.


The softness of Pakistani fans has killed our rivalry.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
I wish Pkaistani fans of today were half as hostile as Bangladeshi fans.


The softness of Pakistani fans has killed our rivalry.
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You are right but funnily enough the "softness" of Pakistani fans is the reason why you still post on his forum, most other "hostile" cricket fans wouldn't tolerate posters like you for so long. So if anything you should be thankful for the softness of Pakistanis.:najam
 
worldwidecricket said:
Brother Pace,
I am sorry if my post hurt you or made you feel bad in anyway. It was not my intention. MOST of the poster here (non bangladeshi) have been continously bashing bangladesh because of this thread, when this thread was not even started by Bangladeshi. Mr. Ahmad, a Pakistani, started this and his main intention is to insult Bangladesh cricket and their fans by others. He admitted that once he posted as Bangladeshi fan to insult Indians so that Indians could insult us back.
Bangladesh is my country and it really hurts when people insult the country for no reason. Sorry brother again if my post is offensive.
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Bro, the only reason the "Bangla Tigers" try roar and show such intense hatred is because Sehwag was bluntly honest with his mouth as he was with his bat regarding the status of Bangladesh cricket.

Now the sole goal of most Bangla Tigers is to just be able to beat India for the "supposed insult" Sehwag caused them. We dont mind being competitive rise of Bangladesh, its good for cricket, But seriously Bangladesh cricket fans should not be so delusional.
 
anakin said:
Wait for actual India Pakistan match, and let Kohli fall early.... :P
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I remember growing up playing Pakistan was an intimidating proposition. Wasim, Waqar, Aqib and in batting Anwar, Sohail, Inzy, Afridi.
 
Really impressed with Bangladeshi fast bowlers in the first match of Asia Cup. They definitely got the better off so called great Indian batting and could have easily won the game. laughable how Indian superstars collapsed at 167 lol
 
gunner said:
Really impressed with Bangladeshi fast bowlers in the first match of Asia Cup. They definitely got the better off so called great Indian batting and could have easily won the game. laughable how Indian superstars collapsed at 167 lol
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167 is 20 more than average winning total in international T20s
 
pretty much one man show of rohit sharma what was the contribution of supposed best batsman in the world kohl 8 ? dhawan 2, raina 13 and down to your tail for 167. indian batting is so overrated. sab ghar kay kohl hain
 
Lol what rivalry . I don't think any Indian fans or the team takes bangla very seriously
 
Nikhil_cric said:
You should never destroy the sleep of minnow fans with such blatant truths. Teams like PAK/BD/SL/WI are more or less minnows. Only in their own heads is their a rivalry between India and these teams . Our only rivals are AUS/ENG/SA or at the most NZ.
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Pak may be weak lately , but I would definitely not miss a match against them , ..bangla Will always be a minnow for our generation ...winning an odd match won't change a thing . If we lose most of us just laugh at our own team .
 
jusarrived said:
Pak may be weak lately , but I would definitely not miss a match against them , ..bangla Will always be a minnow for our generation ...winning an odd match won't change a thing . If we lose most of us just laugh at our own team .
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Very true .No one really bothered even we most to Bangladesh last year as well.
Buy even against Pakistan it has gone to a lot .IPL has killed any sort of international rivalry for me. Its become more like a pride thing rather than a rivalry .

The only rivalries that nowadays matter are Inter city rivalries in IPL.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
You should never destroy the sleep of minnow fans with such blatant truths. Teams like PAK/BD/SL/WI are more or less minnows. Only in their own heads is their a rivalry between India and these teams . Our only rivals are AUS/ENG/SA or at the most NZ.
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AUS /ENG fans don't take India seriously ,more then 80% Indian crowd in stadiums means rivalry only from Indian side.

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shom said:
AUS /ENG fans don't take India seriously ,more then 80% Indian crowd in stadiums means rivalry only from Indian side.

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True from fans perspective. But from a cricketing perspective it is massive.Both Aussie and English players consider winning in India 2nd biggest achievement after Ashes .Steve waugh even termed it as final frontier and Cook referred it as his biggest captaincy achievement when he won in 2011-12.
When neither the fans nor the players in India care about playing a Minnow like Bangladesh .
 
LOL you gotta feel for bangla bros. Why push yourself in a certain position? Let your team win the asia cup let them do well at the world T20. Win a few test matches for starter?

The rest will follow. Bangla has a long long way to go.
 
BeautifulGame said:
True from fans perspective. But from a cricketing perspective it is massive.Both Aussie and English players consider winning in India 2nd biggest achievement after Ashes .Steve waugh even termed it as final frontier and Cook referred it as his biggest captaincy achievement when he won in 2011-12.
When neither the fans nor the players in India care about playing a Minnow like Bangladesh .
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Did anyone in India take England seriously before 2007? I don't think we cared about England until they started beating us everywhere, the 90s and early 2000s England team was bad
 
carrom_ball said:
Did anyone in India take England seriously before 2007? I don't think we cared about England until they started beating us everywhere, the 90s and early 2000s England team was bad
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I said England crickets (fans) for whom winning a test series in India is massive achievement because they regard test cricket very highly

Indian fans never really cared for winning in England really not before 2007 not after that either .May be in 80s when we still had the colonial mindset.

Only test series with Pakistan and Australia are the exception in recent times
 
tonmoy said:
Lol.. rivalry is always between players and teams first and that usually spills to include fans... so doesn't matter what you consider as rival.
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You feel Indian team and player consider Bangladesh as rivals?
 
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Nikhil_cric said:
Rivalry started in 2002 when Flintoff took his shirt off :moyo
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Nah that was just a mini phase, the natwest series and the 2007 series are the only two series I can remember before 2011, did you feel excited for an England series before 2011?
 
jusarrived said:
Pak may be weak lately , but I would definitely not miss a match against them , ..bangla Will always be a minnow for our generation ...winning an odd match won't change a thing . If we lose most of us just laugh at our own team .
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You are playing Bangladesh at home, they are a good team here. Beating Pakistan, India and SA in straight series means they arent minnows atleast at home. Pakistan LOI side is infact inferior to Bangladesh.
 
carrom_ball said:
Nah that was just a mini phase, the natwest series and the 2007 series are the only two series I can remember before 2011, did you feel excited for an England series before 2011?
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I was certainly very excited when we won the test series in 2007 in England with Sir Kumble scoring a ton. Also there was that jelly beans incident that series and it made the victory sweeter. Didn't care much for 2011 actually. Knew that our team was not good enough then but was surprised by the whitewash I suppose. Didn't expect Jimmy and Broad to be so good.
 
hur rizvi said:
You are playing Bangladesh at home, they are a good team here. Beating Pakistan, India and SA in straight series means they arent minnows atleast at home. Pakistan LOI side is infact inferior to Bangladesh.
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Losing to Zimbabwe at home means they still have a long way to erase the tag of minnows
 
hur rizvi said:
You are playing Bangladesh at home, they are a good team here. Beating Pakistan, India and SA in straight series means they arent minnows atleast at home. Pakistan LOI side is infact inferior to Bangladesh.
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They are a good LOI side, no doubt. But suggesting it matches the Indo-Pak rivalry is laughable.

In order to become a rivalry, there needs to be a bit of needle from both sides. Currently, its only from Bangladesh players and fans. Indo-Pak rivalry has a rich history. Indo-Bang rivalry is just starting as competitive matches in one format.
 
If Bangladesh consistently starts beating India then it will become a rivalry. Atm it's still a minnow/giant style rivalry. Bangladesh are improving though but I suspect their rivalry will be stronger with SL and Pakistan as we are on a similar level in LOIs

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Ahmad Shah said:
not sure about the world
but definitely better than INDIA

they treated Indian team like school boys in their convincing victory in last series
kohli was clearly scared of rubel
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How many ODI series Bangladesh has won against India ?
 
They should thank Sehwag for the motivation and recent improvement. Good guy is Sehwag.

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carrom_ball said:
Their LOI team still isn't at the level of zimbawe in the 90s
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Zimbabwe were not minnows, they were better than India in ODIs during 90s. At home Bangladesha are a significant team, so irrespective of comparison they are above minnow level. In Tests they are minnows even today
 
Ofcause a rivalry is building and it should I want to see it, good for the game. Lets face it IND V SL is dead rivalry, Pak v Ind always something even though Ind has bigger upper hand in ODIs recent times but t20s anything can happen. So BD vs Ind, IND v BD rivalry is a welcome if you ask me.
I also want to see rivalry between BD n Pk.
In the premier league we have lots of rivalrys it makes the contest more interesting.

Ind fans admit or not doesnt matter. But the fact is Bangladesh players and fans love playing against Ind and most joys comes from beating India than any other sides. IMO!
 
hur rizvi said:
Zimbabwe were not minnows, they were better than India in ODIs during 90s. At home Bangladesha are a significant team, so irrespective of comparison they are above minnow level. In Tests they are minnows even today
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What rubbish, Zimbabwe was not better than India in the 90s, they were a decent team but still below India, check the records, don't exaggerate
 
Rivalry is healthy for this beautiful game.

ODI rivalry is has been built and will get bigger between the two.
Mark my words... Watch out for the next ODI series...especially post CT17 this will be biggest ODI rivalry in Asia.
 
carrom_ball said:
What rubbish, Zimbabwe was not better than India in the 90s, they were a decent team but still below India, check the records, don't exaggerate
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Talked about ODIs only. I have seen cricket in 90s and as a Pakistani I was more wary of Zimboks rather than timid India of 90s, which had nothing other than Tendulkar and Srinath to be wary of. Zimboks had Andy Flower, Streak, Olanga, Neil Johnson which were very good ODI players.

India might have edge statistically because they played in Asia most of the times
 
India is ranked 2 team in test and ODIs, ranked 1 team in T20s.

BD is rank 9th team in tests, 10th in T20s and 6th in ODIs.

No rivalry.
 
hur rizvi said:
Talked about ODIs only. I have seen cricket in 90s and as a Pakistani I was more wary of Zimboks rather than timid India of 90s, which had nothing other than Tendulkar and Srinath to be wary of. Zimboks had Andy Flower, Streak, Olanga, Neil Johnson which were very good ODI players.

India might have edge statistically because they played in Asia most of the times
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Again heights of exaggeration, you watched cricket with your eyes closed, how many matches did Zimbabwe win against India or Pakistan and how many did India win against Pakistan, you are clearly ignorant about facts, I watched cricket in the 90s too
 
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hur rizvi said:
Talked about ODIs only. I have seen cricket in 90s and as a Pakistani I was more wary of Zimboks rather than timid India of 90s, which had nothing other than Tendulkar and Srinath to be wary of. Zimboks had Andy Flower, Streak, Olanga, Neil Johnson which were very good ODI players.

India might have edge statistically because they played in Asia most of the times
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If olanga and Johnson were good players lmao then what were Azhar Jadeja and Ganguly, stop trolling
 
carrom_ball said:
Again heights of exaggeration, you watched cricket with your eyes closed, how many matches did Zimbabwe win against India or Pakistan and how many did India win against Pakistan, you are clearly ignorant about facts, I watched cricket in the 90s too
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Zimbabwe did beat Pakistan in a test series

For ODIs in asia India was better equipped with spinner but on over-all basis Zimbabwe had more basis covered.
 
hur rizvi said:
Ganguly became regular in 98/99, IIRC, didnt play most of the 90s
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And when did olanga start playing? Have you seen olanga or jhonson's stats, both were mediocre, and what about Kumble, stop trolling man , you are not even subtle
 
we will obviously beat Pak. But real rivallary of this tournament will be Ban vs Pak. Ban are ranked higher than Pak :))
 
carrom_ball said:
*7th in odis
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Yes. No rivalry between a team who is on top of the tree with someone languishing at the bottom. So much so that they need to play qualifiers fr T20 WC.

Based on few heated fans comment on facebook, people think there is a rivalry between Ind & BD? LOL

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carrom_ball said:
And when did olanga start playing? Have you seen olanga or jhonson's stats, both were mediocre, and what about Kumble, stop trolling man , you are not even subtle
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Kumble was agreat test bowler. But in ODIs he was average. I didnt check stats but IIRC his ODI average is in excess of 30. Pretty average
 
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hur rizvi said:
Kumble was agreat test bowler. But in ODIs he was average. I didnt check stats but IIRC his ODI average is in excess of 30. Pretty average
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He was averaging 27 in odis in the 90s, seems like you have forgotten about the 90s, anyways I am ending this meaningless discussion
 
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carrom_ball said:
He was averaging 27 in odis in the 90s, seems like you have forgotten about the 90s, anyways I am ending this meaningless discussion
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You are free to believe whatever you want. I never forced anything on you but that wont change the fact that Kumble was an average ODI bowler
 
this whole business of India vs Bangladesh rivalry is deeper than what appears on the surface.

it is not merely because India is dismissive of Bangladesh and refuses to tour them for a round of test matches as it would likely not be financially lucrative.

it is not merely because India and Bangladesh have ended each other's prospects at the World cup in 2007 and 2014. it is not because India lost to Bangladesh the last time they were here and were it not for a defeat to Pakistan in the final, Bangladesh would have won their first major cricket tournament?

it is certainly not because of Sehwag's ill thought out comments.

it is for a reason that is both communal and diplomatic: Yes, India is synonymous with Hinduism (in the eyes of Pakistan and Bangladesh), but Bangladesh is an Islamic state, but also because of their history - India consider themselves as liberators of Bangladesh, a claim well supported by history and facts, but it is the expectation of India that Bangladesh recognize the 'big favor' that their big neighbor next door did them. Somewhere, most Indians expect loyalty and line-towing by Bangladesh on all matters national and international, and especially on being critical of all things Pakistan. And it is Bangladesh's refusal to not surrender their opinions that irks India.

This rivalry is because one guy expects the other guy to express gratitude, when the other guy feels that no such overtone is deserved.

Pretty much both nations being dumb-donkeys.
 
captain.hansolo said:
this whole business of India vs Bangladesh rivalry is deeper than what appears on the surface.

it is not merely because India is dismissive of Bangladesh and refuses to tour them for a round of test matches as it would likely not be financially lucrative.

it is not merely because India and Bangladesh have ended each other's prospects at the World cup in 2007 and 2014. it is not because India lost to Bangladesh the last time they were here and were it not for a defeat to Pakistan in the final, Bangladesh would have won their first major cricket tournament?

it is certainly not because of Sehwag's ill thought out comments.

it is for a reason that is both communal and diplomatic: Yes, India is synonymous with Hinduism (in the eyes of Pakistan and Bangladesh), but Bangladesh is an Islamic state, but also because of their history - India consider themselves as liberators of Bangladesh, a claim well supported by history and facts, but it is the expectation of India that Bangladesh recognize the 'big favor' that their big neighbor next door did them. Somewhere, most Indians expect loyalty and line-towing by Bangladesh on all matters national and international, and especially on being critical of all things Pakistan. And it is Bangladesh's refusal to not surrender their opinions that irks India.

This rivalry is because one guy expects the other guy to express gratitude, when the other guy feels that no such overtone is deserved.

Pretty much both nations being dumb-donkeys.
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Interesting. I thought the rivalry was because the Indians never see Bangladesh as equals for some reason. I have a few BD friends and they always complain about that.
 
rhony said:
Interesting. I thought the rivalry was because the Indians never see Bangladesh as equals for some reason. I have a few BD friends and they always complain about that.
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well that is an extension of what i expressed: Indians feel Bangladesh are (or were) this feeble neighbor who needed their largess to gain something as unalienable as earning their freedom when Indians earned it with blood and sweat; thus forgetting that bangladesh did share in India's struggle for freedom from british colonists, but had to repeat the process against a more aggressive (genocidal even) oppressor. and the consequent refusal of Bangladesh to make overwhelming overtures is dismissed as their naivete or worse yet, unthankfullness.

this unthankfullness, in the eyes of some Indians, deserves a reprimand.
 
gunner said:
Really impressed with Bangladeshi fast bowlers in the first match of Asia Cup. They definitely got the better off so called great Indian batting and could have easily won the game. laughable how Indian superstars collapsed at 167 lol
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167 on a green pitch is not a bad score.
 
the chest thumping by indians of being no.2 is actually pretty disturbing...maybe if it were consistent no.1 ranking it would be justified..but hey maybe that's what makes them happy
 
This thread hopefully will make more sense if all of us are cyrogenically frozen and wake up in the year 2200 to give our inputs on this topic...but till then lol when did this happen?
 
Clearly the bias of the mods is here for all to see. My innocent trollish posts deleted while others are tolerated :srini PP has become quite fascist of late.
 
hur rizvi said:
He's a test great without any doubt. Probably gretest after Warnie and Murali
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Please tell me how kumble is average but the great olanga and jhonson and streak that you mentioned earlier are not average? Have you seen their stats? Your arguments contradict each other
 
carrom_ball said:
Please tell me how kumble is average but the great olanga and jhonson and streak that you mentioned earlier are not average? Have you seen their stats? Your arguments contradict each other
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Olanga and Streak were better than the trundlers India played in the 90s. Streak was better than Srinath arguably your best bowler.

India didnt have any AR like Neil johnson in the 90s. Streak too was a genuine AR in ODIs. He was a very fine test bowler too.

They were much better than their Indian counter parts in ODIs
 
hur rizvi said:
Olanga and Streak were better than the trundlers India played in the 90s. Streak was better than Srinath arguably your best bowler.

India didnt have any AR like Neil johnson in the 90s. Streak too was a genuine AR in ODIs. He was a very fine test bowler too.

They were much better than their Indian counter parts in ODIs
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Too much stupidity in one post, srinath was one of the best odi bowlers, a league above streak , we didnt need average all rounders like jhonson when we had better batsman like Azhar jadeja, Sachin, please don't vomit nonsense here, neither the stats back you nor common sense, comparing srinath to streak lol, height of ignorance
 
Olanga was just 58 wickets at 34 average, have you heard about agarkar the fastest bowler to take 50 wickets back in the day, so much for your bs
 
carrom_ball said:
Too much stupidity in one post, srinath was one of the best odi bowlers, a league above streak , we didnt need average all rounders like jhonson when we had better batsman like Azhar jadeja, Sachin, please don't vomit nonsense here, neither the stats back you nor common sense, comparing srinath to streak lol, height of ignorance
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Srinath was good but one of the best? What did you have for break fast man?

Srinath was marginally better than streak as a bowler in ODIs, but streak was a Genuine AR.

Streak averages less than 30 in tests, noone other than Kapil has acheived that feat from India. He was certainly a better cricketer than Srinath

In batting India were ahead but Zimbabwe also did have Andy flower. In fast bowling Zimbabwe were ahead. Spin was better from Hindustan thats why in asia, India were better.

Can you compare Zimbabwe/India W/L outside Asia for the 90s?
 
carrom_ball said:
Olanga was just 58 wickets at 34 average, have you heard about agarkar the fastest bowler to take 50 wickets back in the day, so much for your bs
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HE was better than PRasad, Kuruvalley etc.

Aarkar only came at the end of 90s.
 
hur rizvi said:
Srinath was good but one of the best? What did you have for break fast man?

Srinath was marginally better than streak as a bowler in ODIs, but streak was a Genuine AR.

Streak averages less than 30 in tests, noone other than Kapil has acheived that feat from India. He was certainly a better cricketer than Srinath

In batting India were ahead but Zimbabwe also did have Andy flower. In fast bowling Zimbabwe were ahead. Spin was better from Hindustan thats why in asia, India were better.

Can you compare Zimbabwe/India W/L outside Asia for the 90s?
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Yes compare it India is better, srinath has 315 wickets at 28 so yeah he was one of the best odi bowlers, seems like you are the one drinking something Else today
 
carrom_ball said:
Yes compare it India is better, srinath has 315 wickets at 28 so yeah he was one of the best odi bowlers, seems like you are the one drinking something Else today
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You are free to believe what you want

Best ODI bowlers dont average 28. 315 wickets dont make him one of the best LOL

Whatever I am drinking is none of your business
 
hur rizvi said:
You are free to believe what you want

Best ODI bowlers dont average 28. 315 wickets dont make him one of the best LOL

Whatever I am drinking is none of your business
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But 237 at 29 make streak better bowler than srinath ain't it?
 
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hur rizvi said:
As a package he was a fine AR. Add his batting average of 25+ when you are comparing
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Why do you keep skipping the posts where you are owned with stats, tell me how olanga was better than prasad? Btw you didn't say allrounder you said streak was a better bowler than srinath, stop changing goalposts
 
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hur rizvi said:
Yeah man but still I would have Olanga rather than 75mph Prasad
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You can have anyone, fact remains prasad was better than olanga, stick to facts,not your opinion,India's record both in Asia and outside Asia is much much better than Zimbabwe in the 90s
 
carrom_ball said:
Why do you keep skipping the posts where you are owned with stats, tell me how olanga was better than prasad? Btw you didn't say allrounder you said streak was a better bowler than srinath, stop changing goalposts
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As a bowler overal if you consider tests and ODIs Streak was better. Stop getting worked up man. I agree India was slightly better than Zimbabwe in 90s. You have proved that. Have a nice day.

Both were minnows though in 90s. Albeit good minnows though
 
hur rizvi said:
As a bowler overal if you consider tests and ODIs Streak was better. Stop getting worked up man. I agree India was slightly better than Zimbabwe in 90s. You have proved that. Have a nice day.

Both were minnows though in 90s. Albeit good minnows though
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Again stupid statement India was a bad team but not a minnow and were much much better than Zimbabwe, check the stats first
 
carrom_ball said:
Again stupid statement India was a bad team but not a minnow and were much much better than Zimbabwe, check the stats first
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Zimbabwe and India were minnows. As you have proved India were better than Zimbabwe, but were minnows. Compare Pakistan's W/L against India. We beat you like minnows in 90s. It is true that you were better than Zimboks and I give you that
 
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